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Just now, Davefevs said:

5?

Keeper, defender, midfielder x2 and a striker. That’s what James is suggesting.

I think we’d be lucky to get a defender and a Scott ‘replacement’. If we don’t, I don’t think Pearson is here last Christmas.

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1 hour ago, Henry said:

https://x.com/bristolcitylive/status/1693175060469604590?s=46&t=tVL7hISA2DNrsrkiDgLG9w
 

The article suggests we want to get in 5 players. Can’t see it but once again we were to be heading into the last few looking for a defender. I wonder whether Kalas will now come back to cover RB/CB

Reading the negative rantings  on here I reckon eleven ?

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10 minutes ago, Henry said:

Keeper, defender, midfielder x2 and a striker. That’s what James is suggesting.

I think we’d be lucky to get a defender and a Scott ‘replacement’. If we don’t, I don’t think Pearson is here last Christmas.

Ah, sorry, James suggesting it, thought he was saying Nige said 5.

Interesting the talk of Thomason and Murphy being concurrent.  I’d kinda assumed Murphy was more u21s / fringe….a bit like the plan for Massengo when he signed.  Then Nagy got injured.

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3 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

I’m going to go with 1.

I can’t believe that the club wouldn’t make a signing after selling someone for over £20m, it would be a terrible when it’s clear there’s areas of improvement required. 

I have this horrible feeling Lansdown is seeing the 25m as a way of reducing his input of covering loses before selling up.

If the money isn’t there to replace Scott then Lansdown can get out now.

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4 minutes ago, Henry said:

I have this horrible feeling Lansdown is seeing the 25m as a way of reducing his input of covering loses before selling up.

If the money isn’t there to replace Scott then Lansdown can get out now.

Yes the Scott money would be very useful for cash losses and or reduce the amount of debt to equity he needs to put in if that was his thinking.

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4 minutes ago, Henry said:

I have this horrible feeling Lansdown is seeing the 25m as a way of reducing his input of covering loses before selling up.

If the money isn’t there to replace Scott then Lansdown can get out now.

Dangerous game though, because can see a club in a relegation dogfight being a rather unattractive proposition and wipe out a fair bit of value. 

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1 minute ago, Barrs Court Red said:

Dangerous game though, because can see a club in a relegation dogfight being a rather unattractive proposition and wipe out a fair bit of value. 

I don’t think we will be in a relegation dogfight. We have just lost to an in-form Birmingham side, and that is our only loss so far.

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1 minute ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

Heard a rumour yesterday that Kalas is signing this week.

I just don't see it. You could make an argument that a contract until January would help him out and cover us in the short-term but Kalas hasn't had a pre-season so isn't going to be fully up and running until mid-October. I just don't reckon that works as a timescale. 

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1 minute ago, marcofisher said:

I don’t think we will be in a relegation dogfight. We have just lost to an in-form Birmingham side, and that is our only loss so far.

But we were lucky to get a point at home against Preston, who were nothing special. 

We aren't looking good. We aren't looking like we have a lot of shots in us. 

If there is no recruitment,  I'll be concerned about the direction of this club. 

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17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Ah, sorry, James suggesting it, thought he was saying Nige said 5.

Interesting the talk of Thomason and Murphy being concurrent.  I’d kinda assumed Murphy was more u21s / fringe….a bit like the plan for Massengo when he signed.  Then Nagy got injured.

That's my guess as well. I reckon we're looking at 4 positions for the first team (not saying we'll sign four players - just that we'd consider players in those positions if the right ones came up) but a player like Murphy is more of a "sign a potential player for the future as they come up" signing rather than intended to strengthen the squad in the short term. 

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Just now, Red-Robbo said:

But we were lucky to get a point at home against Preston, who were nothing special. 

We aren't looking good. We aren't looking like we have a lot of shots in us. 

If there is no recruitment,  I'll be concerned about the direction of this club. 

Preston have won both their other games though, including beating Sunderland. We're not on our own in struggling against them.

I agree we need recruitment and agree the lack of shots is a concern but I think relegation worries are extremely premature.

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1 minute ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

We need a number one GK, creative mid and a striker, then defensive cover. We need to attack the loan market IMO.  

Pearson seems to be saying the problem is covering the cost of wages rather than covering the cost of transfer fees. Short-term defensive cover aside, it surely makes more sense to move for permanent signings than loans. 

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7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

But we were lucky to get a point at home against Preston, who were nothing special. 

We aren't looking good. We aren't looking like we have a lot of shots in us. 

If there is no recruitment,  I'll be concerned about the direction of this club. 

I fully expect the 3 teams we played to be in the top half. Some of our attacking play still needs developing, I agree. I think Conway is a massive miss. Bell and Mehmeti need to step up.

 

I don’t want to see us stacking players again. 

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2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Preston have won both their other games though, including beating Sunderland. We're not on our own in struggling against them.

I agree we need recruitment and agree the lack of shots is a concern but I think relegation worries are extremely premature.

I'm not "worried" but nor am I complacent.  

We've been relegated in seasons we've started better than this.

We looked unorganised and poor in our draw, didn't create that many chances in our narrow win and - sadly - looked demoralised yesterday. 

Beating Sunderland says more about the state of Sunderland this season than it does about Preston. 

It can all turn good very quickly, but some exciting new blood is required IMO. 

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13 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Preston have won both their other games though, including beating Sunderland. We're not on our own in struggling against them.

I agree we need recruitment and agree the lack of shots is a concern but I think relegation worries are extremely premature.

They were very lucky to win their home game against Sunderland and managed to beat the worst team in the division 1-0, don't let's start believing that PNE are a good team, we always make any old rubbish look good

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We have lost two game changers in Scotty and Semenyo.  Our regular   support of 20k will diminish markedly if we continue to be so average.  With 25Mill in the bank, I believe we need a signing to bring excitement and optimism to the club, without being ridiculous and extravagant, surely we can find a young loan striker or a goalscorer..........maybe we should just advertise   "Game Changer Needed"   " Great Prospects, as, ......    if successful with your application, after a season or two in the Bristol City first team...........you will almost certainly     be sold to Bournemouth, and receive a big fat signing on fee and a mansion on the South Coast"

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18 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

They were very lucky to win their home game against Sunderland and managed to beat the worst team in the division 1-0, don't let's start believing that PNE are a good team, we always make any old rubbish look good

I don't think Preston are a good team. I think they are a team that will frustrate a lot of sides who are better than them. It's important to be realistic about our flaws but that's a very different thing to pretending every team who beats us is more terrible than they are. 

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43 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I just don't see it. You could make an argument that a contract until January would help him out and cover us in the short-term but Kalas hasn't had a pre-season so isn't going to be fully up and running until mid-October. I just don't reckon that works as a timescale. 

Disagree with that completely. Always been the ultimate professional and super fit. If anyone could use a summer off it was Kalas. I’d have no doubts about him starting next weekend if true. In most scenarios he is the ideal signing for us. Been here before. Know what he needs to be in this team. Doesn’t need to gel. He walks in as an experienced international and has had months for his body to rest and recover. CB is also not the most demanding position fitness wise either. 

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16 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I don't think Preston are a good team. I think they are a team that will frustrate a lot of sides who are better than them. It's important to be realistic about our flaws but that's a very different thing to pretending every team who beats us is more terrible than they are. 

Their tactical shape of 3-5-1-1 on the road will catch a few out too.

It's unusual at this level.

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Some people seem to think that a manager acquiring players is as easy as a kid in a sweet shop. Pearson has already said that we have our targets but it is a question of whether they are doable (for a variety of reasons) and that there is no point acquiring players for the sake of it, not least as that might prevent us signing players that we really want in January. 

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36 minutes ago, tin said:

We need to strengthen the entire spine of the side IMO - GK (Iversen’s available), CB - (Kalas?), AMC - (?), ST (?) - but I don’t think we’ll sign anyone. 

I really don't think we will sign a goalkeeper. I would welcome a goalkeeper to compete with Max but I don't think Pearson sees it as a massive priority with the other positions that need strengthening. Don't get me wrong Iversen would be a good signing but I don't think Pearson is looking at that sort of goalkeeper. If we go for a goalkeeper I think they will be older than Iversen and even more experienced. Also, I thought yesterday was Max's best performance of the season. Bar a couple of kicks out I thought he made a couple of good saves to keep the score down and that came when the team in front of him wasn't great (A part from James). 

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7 minutes ago, MrRedRobin said:

I really don't think we will sign a goalkeeper. I would welcome a goalkeeper to compete with Max but I don't think Pearson sees it as a massive priority with the other positions that need strengthening. Don't get me wrong Iversen would be a good signing but I don't think Pearson is looking at that sort of goalkeeper. If we go for a goalkeeper I think they will be older than Iversen and even more experienced. Also, I thought yesterday was Max's best performance of the season. Bar a couple of kicks out I thought he made a couple of good saves to keep the score down and that came when the team in front of him wasn't great (A part from James). 

Neither do I; I don’t think we’ll sign anyone. But, those are the positions we need to strengthen in and Iversen is an upgrade on O’Leary IMO, which fits the profile of the type of player Nige wants. 

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7 minutes ago, MrRedRobin said:

I really don't think we will sign a goalkeeper. I would welcome a goalkeeper to compete with Max but I don't think Pearson sees it as a massive priority with the other positions that need strengthening. 

Given the death stare Pearson’s given Max for his kicking in the previous two (league) home games, you might be surprised. 

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I wouldn’t be surprised to see us trade to get what we need. Pring is an obvious contender, maybe speculation is based on something. If that happens 4/5 incomings maybe. Nige knows this could be his last season if we don’t kick on and losing Scott, McCrorie, Conway and no Atkinson leaves us looking lightweight and doesn’t help his cause, which is why he is probably only now considering loans. Unfortunately Anis and Cornick have not delivered as yet and Knight and Roberts may need time. Only Dickie looks comfortable out of our recent signings. It’s not a great situation just now.

 

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Two or three IMO at best, defensive cover, possibly via a loan, hopefully Murphy although he is with an eye on the future and potentially an established creative midfielder. Given NPs preference to do early business and our wage ceiling can’t see anything much than 2-3 more happening and at the same time wouldn’t be surprised if nobody is added!  

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6 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

I wouldn’t be surprised to see us trade to get what we need. Pring is an obvious contender, maybe speculation is based on something. If that happens 4/5 incomings maybe. Nige knows this could be his last season if we don’t kick on and losing Scott, McCrorie, Conway and no Atkinson leaves us looking lightweight and doesn’t help his cause, which is why he is probably only now considering loans. Unfortunately Anis and Cornick have not delivered as yet and Knight and Roberts may need time. Only Dickie looks comfortable out of our recent signings. It’s not a great situation just now.

 

We have just traded a £20-25m asset.

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8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We have just traded a £20-25m asset.

Indeed we have but it’s not unreasonable to assume that our Plan B (With Scott gone) possibly included a maximum amount to be given to Nige from the £25m for one possibly 2 decent players to replace him. Then McCrorie and Conway suddenly need replacing so Plan B becomes Plan C and 4 needed for the same amount unless we can trade another 1 for another 2.

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FW, AM for sure.

Possibly a GK to bridge the gap between O'Leary and Wiles-Richards/Bajic.

Cannot in all honestly see more than 3, and TBH it may just be one or two. 

Think Naismith will just be CD until Atko is fit, with King as back-up.  Any ETA for him - or McCrorie?

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49 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

Unfortunately Anis and Cornick have not delivered as yet and Knight and Roberts may need time. Only Dickie looks comfortable out of our recent signings. It’s not a great situation just now.

 

That is a poor showing.

It doesn't give me too much confidence in the ability of Nige to recruit the right players.

Or is it that once they get here they regress.

Aside from frustration for us fans, they are also also expensive mistakes in terms of £s

Cant imagine managers in the mould of Thomas Frank or Roberto de Zerbi messing up like this.

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7 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

 

Or is it that once they get here they regress.

 

One of the worrying aspects is that yesterday Mehmeti looked a shadow of the promising wide player who could take on and beat defenders, terrify defences and win countless yards. That's what he was when he arrived, but he seems to have had the creativity coached out of him.

I hope I'm wrong. 

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3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

One of the worrying aspects is that yesterday Mehmeti looked a shadow of the promising wide player who could take on and beat defenders, terrify defences and win countless yards. That's what he was when he arrived, but he seems to have had the creativity coached out of him.

I hope I'm wrong. 

This is just my opinion ;
When Mehmeti came he looked exciting, but always went inside onto his right foot. Quickly sussed he became less effective and too predictable. I think that is why Bell gets the nod a lot of the time, he is happy to go outside but has the option to cut onto his stronger foot. Annoyingly he wasted several opportunities by trying to cut inside yesterday. 
The coaching has been to get Anis to use his left more and go outside the defender more often. While he has started doing that noticeably , it is still early days and he's not looked comfortable. I believe that threat will come as he settles into the role.
I've been impressed with his tracking back and tackling though.

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5 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

This is just my opinion ;
When Mehmeti came he looked exciting, but always went inside onto his right foot. Quickly sussed he became less effective and too predictable. I think that is why Bell gets the nod a lot of the time, he is happy to go outside but has the option to cut onto his stronger foot. Annoyingly he wasted several opportunities by trying to cut inside yesterday. 
The coaching has been to get Anis to use his left more and go outside the defender more often. While he has started doing that noticeably , it is still early days and he's not looked comfortable. I believe that threat will come as he settles into the role.
I've been impressed with his tracking back and tackling though.

I think the lack of effectiveness came less from being sussed, but more from either running two paces too far, or wrong decision regarding crossing. There's where we are working no doubt on his game, but the result seems to be that rather than beat men, he now just runs into them - and loses possession.  Of course, we could add that he was asked to do lots of tracking back and defensive tackling yesterday because our midfield was AWOL - but that's covered on other threads. 

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Although the squad does obviously need strengthening if we are to progress further, I wouldn't be surprised if only one or two signings are made. 

I could never have imagined that after all these years of SL's tenure, BCFC would have come to little more than a feeder club for AFC Bournemouth.

Tens of millions of pounds garnered from selling our best talent on, a rugby club and basketball team gained.

Whatever happened to the idea of BCFC in the top flight of English football??

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1 minute ago, Red_Alligator said:

Although the squad does obviously need strengthening it we are to progress further, I wouldn't be surprised if only one of two signings are made. 

I could never have imagined that after all these years of SL's tenure, BCFC would have come to little more than a feeder club for AFC Bournemouth.

Tens of millions of pounds garnered from selling our best talent on, a rugby club and basketball team gained.

Whatever happened to the to idea of BCFC in the top flight of English football??

Perhaps SL I'm sorry to say has subconsciously given up a little.

"I've tried the steady building

"I've tried the infrastructure, whixh btw is a decent platform.

"I've given it somewhat of a go and look at what nearly happened there!"

Combine that with the Parachute Payments discrepancy that shows no sign of going any time soon- do turkeys vote for Christmas- the seemingly forlorn hope that the Championship would reset post Covid financially, it's starting to rise again but a mixed bag and the Salary Cap that was on the horizon being no closer he has bet on a horse that is struggling to get over the  2nd hurdle right now.

He has either subconsciously given up or parked his ambition a bit.

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4 hours ago, Henry said:

If we don’t, I don’t think Pearson is here last Christmas.

Unless we are in a proper relegation scrap, I think Pearson’s job is safe this season. Out of contract at the end of it so makes sense to keep him for the remainder. I’ve no doubt we’ve got one eye on his replacement already. He’s seen us through a very rocky patch and if it’s another sub standard 14th-19th finish we’ll most likely part ways. As for signing 5 players…. HA! That’s definitely what we need but it isn’t happening. I’d settle for 3 at this point, striker, Scott replacement and a keeper. 

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5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Perhaps SL I'm sorry to say has subconsciously given up a little.

"I've tried the steady building

"I've tried the infrastructure, whixh btw is a decent platform.

"I've given it somewhat of a go and look at what nearly happened there!"

Combine that with the Parachute Payments discrepancy that shows no sign of going any time soon- do turkeys vote for Christmas- the seemingly forlorn hope that the Championship would reset post Covid financially, it's starting to rise again but a mixed bag and the Salary Cap that was on the horizon being no closer he has bet on a horse that is struggling to get over the  2nd hurdle right now.

He has either subconsciously given up or parked his ambition a bit.

Do you think some of the “life” went out of it for him when he realised Jon wasn’t interested in taking it on?  And now he’s kinda stuck?

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You cannot sell Semenyo and Scott for a combined £35 million and then just get a few bodies in the door. We need match winners because at the moment we don't have any. That is what Scott and Semenyo were for us.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Do you think some of the “life” went out of it for him when he realised Jon wasn’t interested in taking it on?  And now he’s kinda stuck?

Exactly this.

Steve has created an unsellable monster IMO. You can imagine someone wanting a football club to develop but when you add in rugby and basketball you can see the problem.

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10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Do you think some of the “life” went out of it for him when he realised Jon wasn’t interested in taking it on?  And now he’s kinda stuck?

Interesting, maybe although it seems to have changed drastically.

Last August SL was still quite optimistic and spoke about progress on the pitch while cutting the wage bill. Last home game end of April he still seemed optimistic, even mentioned Scott staying although as we know etc.

This latest interview he sounded a bit defeated, downbeat- didn't look optimistic or terribly happy either.

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16 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Interesting, maybe although it seems to have changed drastically.

Last August SL was still quite optimistic and spoke about progress on the pitch while cutting the wage bill. Last home game end of April he still seemed optimistic, even mentioned Scott staying although as we know etc.

This latest interview he sounded a bit defeated, downbeat- didn't look optimistic or terribly happy either.

Perhaps finally realising that the Championship is a lot more difficult than LJ and Ashton led him to believe? We are basically playing for a place in the playoffs and then hoping. And SL is certainly jealous of clubs like Luton and Coventry. 

The reality is that if you take the main creative/attacking midfielder out of any side at this level, they would probably struggle. But you have to have a plan for that and so far I don’t see one. Assuming that there is a plan to bring someone in to replace Scott, then hopefully the club are getting on with it. If there wasn’t a plan then that was truly negligent!

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Perhaps SL I'm sorry to say has subconsciously given up a little.

"I've tried the steady building

"I've tried the infrastructure, whixh btw is a decent platform.

"I've given it somewhat of a go and look at what nearly happened there!"

Combine that with the Parachute Payments discrepancy that shows no sign of going any time soon- do turkeys vote for Christmas- the seemingly forlorn hope that the Championship would reset post Covid financially, it's starting to rise again but a mixed bag and the Salary Cap that was on the horizon being no closer he has bet on a horse that is struggling to get over the  2nd hurdle right now.

He has either subconsciously given up or parked his ambition a bit.

Yes indeed. I go back to a point I've made several times previously, that he could have followed the trend set by other clubs who suddenly acquired an extremely wealthy owner/supporter, but chose not to at that time. His prerogative of course, but I'd venture a surprise to many, both with a vested interest in BCFC and in the wider world of football discourse. 

Granted, his investment in the club has seen a massive development in infrastructure, aside from the expansion of his sporting portfolio. But I'm willing to bet that if I were to sit down for a chat and a pint with a Luton fan for example, it wouldn't go very far towards wiping the smile off of his/her face.

As Pink Floyd once wryly suggested, we may well have sold our heroes for ghosts.

 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Negan said:

Unless we are in a proper relegation scrap, I think Pearson’s job is safe this season. Out of contract at the end of it so makes sense to keep him for the remainder. I’ve no doubt we’ve got one eye on his replacement already. He’s seen us through a very rocky patch and if it’s another sub standard 14th-19th finish we’ll most likely part ways. As for signing 5 players…. HA! That’s definitely what we need but it isn’t happening. I’d settle for 3 at this point, striker, Scott replacement and a keeper. 

Agreed tbh unless we got into the play offs I think Pearson wont be here next season and unless we are in a relegation scrap he wont be sacked.  I also think that we may be holding most of Scott money back for the new manager to invest how he sees fit.

i would also like to see 3 players not as fussed about a striker would prefer a winger and make Cornick the back up striker to Wells (until TC is fit) attacking midfielder and another defender, don’t think Max has done a lot wrong

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4 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

Pearson seems to be saying the problem is covering the cost of wages rather than covering the cost of transfer fees. Short-term defensive cover aside, it surely makes more sense to move for permanent signings than loans. 

The way I read it is that the only way to get quality into the squad is by loans, the club won't finance quality players on permanent contracts. L1 and L2 players and "potential" players aren't going to get us up the table imo.

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27 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

 

This latest interview he sounded a bit defeated, downbeat- didn't look optimistic or terribly happy either.

 

Perhaps he'd just watched the Preston "highlights".

Although, having watched them, what he did with the other 9 minutes 55 seconds he'd set aside for that, I don't know...

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38 minutes ago, 2015 said:

You cannot sell Semenyo and Scott for a combined £35 million and then just get a few bodies in the door. We need match winners because at the moment we don't have any. That is what Scott and Semenyo were for us.

I tend to agree with this.

The club has made good money from two excellent players that didn’t cost them anything. There are some early signs of unrest amongst the fan base, which would intensify quickly if the team start to struggle and we haven’t reinvested any of that money in a team with some obvious weaknesses. Equally, it’s going to be a kick in the teeth for Pearson if he’s expected to lose his best players and not be given an opportunity to spend at least a good portion of that cash.

For these reasons I think there’s real pressure on the club to recruit by spending decent money in this window, and I hope the board realise that.

Can you imagine if we went down - however unlikely that might seem right now - having received £35m in transfer fees and done nothing to improve the squad? It would be a disgrace.

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4 hours ago, Barrs Court Red said:

Dangerous game though, because can see a club in a relegation dogfight being a rather unattractive proposition and wipe out a fair bit of value. 

SLs done stupider things before.

 

 

 

Like hiring LJ.

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