johnbytheriver Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Ian M said: The knowledge that we will likely not make a loss this season will give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside as we labour to break down teams every fortnight at Ashton Gate. Who else is excited to think how much we can get for Conway in the Summer? Our balance sheet could look pretty exciting over the next two seasons We will be the richest club in league 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: As it stands there is no rush to complete this by Friday, so it might be immaterial to us in this window. I think the £1m+ quoted probably comes from me! Wouldn’t they have to name their 25 man Prem squad for the period up until January by then? I get he’s technically not under contract but unless they had a gap they couldn’t include him otherwise, could they? Edited August 30, 2023 by GrahamC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 HM on his Instagram page leaving France. Funny actually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dolman Block B said: HM on his Instagram page leaving France. Funny actually. Yep, the French really haven't a clue, have they. I mean what the actual *u*k is that? Edited August 30, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Ian M said: The knowledge that we will likely not make a loss this season will give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside as we labour to break down teams every fortnight at Ashton Gate. Who else is excited to think how much we can get for Conway in the Summer? Our balance sheet could look pretty exciting over the next two seasons Out of Likes for the day. So have 12 million virtual ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Wouldn’t they have to name their 25 man Prem squad for the period up until January by then? I get he’s technically not under contract but unless they had a gap they couldn’t include him otherwise, could they? Guess if they leave space… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 30, 2023 Admin Share Posted August 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Out of Likes for the day. So have 12 million virtual ones If Nige wants to sign players before deadline day he should download Football Manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowie Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Ian M said: The knowledge that we will likely not make a loss this season will give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside as we labour to break down teams every fortnight at Ashton Gate. Who else is excited to think how much we can get for Conway in the Summer? Our balance sheet could look pretty exciting over the next two seasons This seems to be the game, stay in the league, rinse and repeat = More attractive for new owner/investor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, chowie said: This seems to be the game, stay in the league, rinse and repeat = More attractive for new owner/investor In a year it will be at optimum attractiveness short of promotion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Ian M said: The knowledge that we will likely not make a loss this season will give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside as we labour to break down teams every fortnight at Ashton Gate. Who else is excited to think how much we can get for Conway in the Summer? Our balance sheet could look pretty exciting over the next two seasons Doesn't matter when we're back in the pub league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 5 hours ago, GrahamC said: Loving the blind optimism on here. We have just sold someone for £25m & Pearson has only been allowed to spend £700k. Why does anyone seriously think he would get any money to spend now if we get another £1m? To be fair, we’ve spent alot more than 700k this summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Riaz said: To be fair, we’ve spent alot more than 700k this summer Yes, we have. But this year we have got far, far more in than we’ve spent. Semenyo was £10m, then small fees for Towler, Wilson & Low. Bentley, Klose, Martin, Baker, Moore, Dasilva, Kalas & now Massengo all off the wage bill, as well. The small matter of £25m for Alex Scott. Even at high end estimates of fees paid it was £1.3m spent in January & about £4.5m prior to Gardiner-Hackman’s £700k. Not exactly like for like, is it? Edited August 30, 2023 by GrahamC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Yes, we have. But this year we have got far, far more in than we’ve spent. Semenyo was £10m, then small fees for Towler, Wilson & Low. Bentley, Klose, Martin, Baker, Moore, Dasilva, Kalas & now Massengo all off the wage bill, as well. The small matter of £25m for Alex Scott. Even at high end estimates of fees paid it was £1.3m spent in January & about £4.5m prior to Gardiner-Hackman’s £700k. Not exactly like for like, is it? No but as a loss making entity, making 20m losses a year, you wouldn’t expect us to spend massive amounts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Sorry if this has been mentioned but are we still paying Massengo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Sorry if this has been mentioned but are we still paying Massengo? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 9 hours ago, GrahamC said: Yes, we have. But this year we have got far, far more in than we’ve spent. Semenyo was £10m, then small fees for Towler, Wilson & Low. Bentley, Klose, Martin, Baker, Moore, Dasilva, Kalas & now Massengo all off the wage bill, as well. The small matter of £25m for Alex Scott. Even at high end estimates of fees paid it was £1.3m spent in January & about £4.5m prior to Gardiner-Hackman’s £700k. Not exactly like for like, is it? Yep and what you have to factor in is we are probably a a couple windows behind because we couldn’t spend much in previous windows. This squad could use another 3-4 players in the 1-2m range and the wages that come with them. We are short on quality. 8 hours ago, Riaz said: No but as a loss making entity, making 20m losses a year, you wouldn’t expect us to spend massive amounts Not sure that is true. We did have 20m losses through covid and maybe before without a sale but we won’t be near there again. Think with normal trading we’ll probably be more in the 8-10m losses range which is well under the 13m allowed through FFP. Is Lansdown’s to spend so if he doesn’t want to do up to 13m a season then that is fine. However, he should stop telling people he wants promotion if thats the case 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 14 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Yep, the French really haven't a clue, have they. I mean what the actual *u*k is that? It's a light hearted piss take joke Lighten up FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 God I miss the summer when we didn’t have a care in the world and weren’t awful at home. Heady times indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotswoldred2 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 9 hours ago, frenchred said: It's a light hearted piss take joke Lighten up FFS Just where is the 'joke' though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 4 year contract, his Dad will be happy! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 How much will we get in compo? Any idea anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Dynamite Red said: How much will we get in compo? Any idea anyone? Makes no difference. It won't be spent on players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ecko Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: How much will we get in compo? Any idea anyone? I think i read in the region of 600k+. Edited August 31, 2023 by Ecko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 How's he managed that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Fair shout- good move on paper but can’t see him featuring too much other than cameo sub appearances or cup games this season. However good coaching and a manager who believes in him may give him the oppprtunity to develop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Definitely the funniest bit is where he says “I’ve been keen to join all summer” which is somewhat at odds with his Dad trying to hawk him to various clubs in Spain, France, Germany & Turkey since then. At least with Kalas moving to a new club earlier this week too this finally ends all the speculation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) On 30/08/2023 at 18:21, Ian M said: Who else is excited to think how much we can get for Conway in the Summer? Our balance sheet could look pretty exciting over the next two seasons The official website used to link to the league table but now it just links to a balance sheet. I can't stop admiring our progress... Edited August 31, 2023 by mozo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Headless chicken gets a prem move, fair play. I expect him to be out on loan in January 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kashmir Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 His agent has played a blinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Good for him. Good luck! 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Great potential. Will be interesting to see how he develops with better players around him. COYR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Pleased for him: be interesting to see how he progresses. Bournemouth play Burnley in October - potentially 5 ex City players. What could have been! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Best of luck to him, clearly has potential and could well realise it under Dyche. A Brownhill - Massengo midfield would be interesting to see, can't see many outrunning them! His part time photography hobby may have to go on hold in Burnley though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said: Best of luck to him, clearly has potential and could well realise it under Dyche. A Brownhill - Massengo midfield would be interesting to see, can't see many outrunning them! His part time photography hobby may have to go on hold in Burnley though.... Didn't realise he'd signed for Everton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Clearly did not want to renew with us, and has done ok for himself. Playing 100 or so games in this league by the time you are 21 is not trivial. Still very young. One of those you fancy could really fly...or in a few years you ask what ever happened to... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Someone who if played right could be absolute dynamite imo. Has all the technicals to be sensational. hope he does well 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Ecko said: I think i read in the region of 600k+. Seems low. More like 1m I'd hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) Good move for him. I've not looked at the compensation criteria but my best guess would have been between £500,000-£1m. Edited August 31, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: Seems low. More like 1m I'd hope. Doesn’t remotely matter, it could be £5m & we’re still not spending any of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, GrahamC said: Doesn’t remotely matter, it could be £5m & we’re still not spending any of it. Yawn.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, !james said: Headless chicken gets a prem move, fair play. I expect him to be out on loan in January Yes, after all what does Vincent Kompany know about football? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Ecko said: I think i read in the region of 600k+. Out of interest, where did you read that? I try and only go with decent sources for my spreadsheet? 1 hour ago, Kashmir said: His agent has played a blinder He didn’t. He wasted the chance to get Han sorted 2 months earlier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Also, I will assume whether we agreed the fee with Burnley or whether we go to PFCC tribunal we will include a sell on. PFCC is usually 20%. Go well Han. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gratz260689 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Dolman_Stand said: Best of luck to him, clearly has potential and could well realise it under Dyche. A Brownhill - Massengo midfield would be interesting to see, can't see many outrunning them! His part time photography hobby may have to go on hold in Burnley though.... *Kompany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 1, 2023 Author Share Posted September 1, 2023 Bizarre state of affairs, he turned them down in July then says he wanted to come all summer !! Still good news for Uncle Steve’s nest egg or will we sign someone now ? All will be revealed in the next episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kashmir Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: Out of interest, where did you read that? I try and only go with decent sources for my spreadsheet? He didn’t. He wasted the chance to get Han sorted 2 months earlier! How much did we pay for him? I had a quick look on their forum to gauge the reaction, one post seemed to think we paid £7m? I can’t remember if the fee was disclosed but noway we paid that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, Kashmir said: How much did we pay for him? I had a quick look on their forum to gauge the reaction, one post seemed to think we paid £7m? I can’t remember if the fee was disclosed but noway we paid that. £2.7m from memory. Certainly under £3m. The £7m talked about was nonsense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12467633/amp/Burnley-sign-Han-Noah-Massengo-four-year-deal-French-talent-impressed-Championship-Bristol-City-season.html Signed after impressing last season. Must’ve played about 5 games and left on loan for half a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always injured Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Engvall’s Splinter said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12467633/amp/Burnley-sign-Han-Noah-Massengo-four-year-deal-French-talent-impressed-Championship-Bristol-City-season.html Signed after impressing last season. Must’ve played about 5 games and left on loan for half a season. What a load of rubbish when did he impress at city last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: £2.7m from memory. Certainly under £3m. The £7m talked about was nonsense Yep, €3m transfer fee. The stupid thing is that with his contract fully amortised, the fee we’ve agreed with Burnley (rather than go to PFCC “tribunal”) means we make a transfer profit, because his asset value was £0!!! The other huge advantage of him going to Burnley rather than abroad is it gave us the opportunity to add: add-ons, e.g. appearances, international caps, etc a sell-on percentage Whether we did or not is pure speculation, but I’d be disappointed if we didn’t at least get the sell-on inserted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yep, €3m transfer fee. The stupid thing is that with his contract fully amortised, the fee we’ve agreed with Burnley (rather than go to PFCC “tribunal”) means we make a transfer profit, because his asset value was £0!!! The other huge advantage of him going to Burnley rather than abroad is it gave us the opportunity to add: add-ons, e.g. appearances, international caps, etc a sell-on percentage Whether we did or not is pure speculation, but I’d be disappointed if we didn’t at least get the sell-on inserted. Has it been reported Dave that we settled on a fee rather than going to PFCC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, RedRoss said: Has it been reported Dave that we settled on a fee rather than going to PFCC? No, it hasn’t, but we did! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Engvall’s Splinter said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12467633/amp/Burnley-sign-Han-Noah-Massengo-four-year-deal-French-talent-impressed-Championship-Bristol-City-season.html Signed after impressing last season. Must’ve played about 5 games and left on loan for half a season. I must have missed that game ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No, it hasn’t, but we did! Have we done OK out of this, in your opinion, @Davefevs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 22 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said: Have we done OK out of this, in your opinion, @Davefevs? Don’t do that!! We’ll get a graph, a spreadsheet, a table and something with moving colours on it……and that’s my morning gone trying to work it out. Only joking @Davefevs - I love them really! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 29 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said: Have we done OK out of this, in your opinion, @Davefevs? I honestly don’t know. Hence why I was interested in the post earlier about £600k and its source. I’ve not heard any numbers, just that the “fee” was agreed when Massengo first started talking to Burnley earlier this summer. I don’t think the person will mind me putting that on here. But he didn’t give me numbers or add-ins or anything like that. FWIW even if we got the equivalent of the €360k we’d have got for him going abroad, but got a sell-on too, it would be beneficial/ better than just going abroad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Kompany knows a good player when he sees one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Be interesting to see how his future turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Ghost Rider said: I've seen him have a handful of good games. Now watch him turn into Jude Bellingham.... He'll be surrounded by better players so it'll be interesting to see how he shows...I think Burnley are a good fit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Does he fancy coming back on loan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said: No, Nigel doesn't do loans and Steve doesn't spend money on the playing side. He doesn’t? I must’ve been dreaming when I thought we signed that Taylor Gardener-Hickman bloke on loan from West Brom. Silly me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Bit of cash back for us then? Good move for him, maybe just me but I can’t say I’ve ever seen him as a Premier League quality player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 On 30/08/2023 at 18:21, Ian M said: The knowledge that we will likely not make a loss this season will give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside as we labour to break down teams every fortnight at Ashton Gate. Who else is excited to think how much we can get for Conway in the Summer? Our balance sheet could look pretty exciting over the next two seasons Yep, a great "nest egg" being built to spend on the "right players" when they become available. Not quite sure who will be choosing these "right players" though of course? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 And you're spot on he doesn't like loans and made a point in the press conference this week of saying he liked the Taylor Gardener-Hickman loan as there is the option to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Good move for him, think he’ll excel playing in a side that plays good football. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 13 hours ago, chinapig said: Yes, after all what does Vincent Kompany know about football? In fairness, Kompany appears to like to sign 50,000 players and sees which stick. He has already signed a couple of duffers for Burnley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, George Rs said: He doesn’t? I must’ve been dreaming when I thought we signed that Taylor Gardener-Hickman bloke on loan from West Brom. Silly me While technically a loan, this is clearly a permanent signing in all but name. Theres no way we pay a 700k loan fee for anyone without it being an effectively permanent transfer, the loan im sure is for some kind of accounting arrangement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 23 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: While technically a loan, this is clearly a permanent signing in all but name. Theres no way we pay a 700k loan fee for anyone without it being an effectively permanent transfer, the loan im sure is for some kind of accounting arrangement I tend to agree. But we do have the option of pulling out / sending him back. The way Nige spoke yesterday, it was clear that he is at least intending to make this permanent. Which is encouraging. Two 22-year-old midfielders signed in this window, with over 150 Championship (JK 112 / TGH 52) games under their belts already before signing. A bit of long-term thinking, especially when you look at James, King and Williams. I think the loan fee was a compromise from both parties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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