Davefevs Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said: I did find it strange that Gould (a local lad) would up sticks after 18 months from a (seemingly) ambitious football club to take up a cricket position, albeit at international level. Probably because he’s ambitious, because it’s a bigger job, and realised to fulfil those ambitions you can’t limit yourself to Bristol or Somerset…ie why he went to Surrey previously. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 39 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Probably because he’s ambitious, because it’s a bigger job, and realised to fulfil those ambitions you can’t limit yourself to Bristol or Somerset…ie why he went to Surrey previously. Yep, and I suspect the club will have known it was a possibility when they appointed him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 On 17/09/2023 at 18:24, Davefevs said: Probably because he’s ambitious, because it’s a bigger job, and realised to fulfil those ambitions you can’t limit yourself to Bristol or Somerset…ie why he went to Surrey previously. Appreciate what you’re saying Dave but I think that Gould would have stayed if he thought SL had any serious intentions of getting to the PL. Even at international level cricket is small fry compared to top level football and the money involved. Whilst we’re on the topic can you remember a tweet a few years back from Angus Scott (City fan/broadcaster & brother of Steve) saying that he had inside knowledge of what a basket case the club was under the Lansdowns and that we would never make the PL with SL as owner. I think the tweet may have been deleted quite soon afterwards?! 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said: Appreciate what you’re saying Dave but I think that Gould would have stayed if he thought SL had any serious intentions of getting to the PL. Even at international level cricket is small fry compared to top level football and the money involved. Whilst we’re on the topic can you remember a tweet a few years back from Angus Scott (City fan/broadcaster & brother of Steve) saying that he had inside knowledge of what a basket case the club was under the Lansdowns and that we would never make the PL with SL as owner. I think the tweet may have been deleted quite soon afterwards?! Totally agree regarding Gould and ambition at BCFC. I think you could also say the same for any of our players with serious ambition too. They can all pay lip-service by saying they’d like to reach the Premier League with City, but I’ll bet none of them actually believe it and is why we can’t hang on to our young stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said: Totally agree regarding Gould and ambition at BCFC. I think you could also say the same for any of our players with serious ambition too. They can all pay lip-service by saying they’d like to reach the Premier League with City, but I’ll bet none of them actually believe it and is why we can’t hang on to our young stars Also a way of life at this level to some extent, look at a host of clubs. Truth perhaps lies somewhere in the middle, for a time FFP was a factor but not anymore. Edited September 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said: Appreciate what you’re saying Dave but I think that Gould would have stayed if he thought SL had any serious intentions of getting to the PL. Even at international level cricket is small fry compared to top level football and the money involved. Whilst we’re on the topic can you remember a tweet a few years back from Angus Scott (City fan/broadcaster & brother of Steve) saying that he had inside knowledge of what a basket case the club was under the Lansdowns and that we would never make the PL with SL as owner. I think the tweet may have been deleted quite soon afterwards?! I think you’ll find you’re wrong! Lets take a rebounding club like Norwich as a fair comparison - PL turnover £133.9m (£57m in Champ). ECB - £332m You have to be a top 6 PL club to beat that! Data from annual accounts (21/22) summarised below: Does that change your mind having been presented with the facts. I think I know which is the bigger job, even if City got to the PL. Bristol City are currently 1/10th the turnover of the ECB!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Cidre Monita said: Appreciate what you’re saying Dave but I think that Gould would have stayed if he thought SL had any serious intentions of getting to the PL. Even at international level cricket is small fry compared to top level football and the money involved. Whilst we’re on the topic can you remember a tweet a few years back from Angus Scott (City fan/broadcaster & brother of Steve) saying that he had inside knowledge of what a basket case the club was under the Lansdowns and that we would never make the PL with SL as owner. I think the tweet may have been deleted quite soon afterwards?! Yeah, because if I was Gould, I would much rather spend part of my working week in Luton rather than Barbados I have absolutely no idea what your insight is to why Gould would have stayed, but given the choice between a national and international leadership role, most people are going to with the product they have most interest in (in his case, cricket) and then the opportunities that role affords them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 44 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Also a way of life at this level to some extent, look at a host of clubs. Truth perhaps lies somewhere in the middle, for a time FFP was a factor but not anymore. Oh definitely, but at least teams with recent Prem experience, or at least displaying genuine ambition may have a chance of getting an extra season or two out of a star player before they move on. I just can’t see any of our players seriously believing they’ve got a realistic chance of reaching the Prem with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Cidre Monita said: Appreciate what you’re saying Dave but I think that Gould would have stayed if he thought SL had any serious intentions of getting to the PL. Even at international level cricket is small fry compared to top level football and the money involved. Whilst we’re on the topic can you remember a tweet a few years back from Angus Scott (City fan/broadcaster & brother of Steve) saying that he had inside knowledge of what a basket case the club was under the Lansdowns and that we would never make the PL with SL as owner. I think the tweet may have been deleted quite soon afterwards?! Gould got the very very top job he could’ve basically ever dreamed of, in the sport that arguably he prefers to football and had a greater history in at more senior roles. Getting That job for him probably is on a par for if we were to get promoted. I think people understate just how big cricket in this country is… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 47 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think you’ll find you’re wrong! Lets take a rebounding club like Norwich as a fair comparison - PL turnover £133.9m (£57m in Champ). ECB - £332m You have to be a top 6 PL club to beat that! Data from annual accounts (21/22) summarised below: Does that change your mind having been presented with the facts. I think I know which is the bigger job, even if City got to the PL. Bristol City are currently 1/10th the turnover of the ECB!!! Again appreciate what you’re saying but football is our national game followed by millions of passionate fans and has a much higher profile than cricket. If City had any serious ambitions I couldn’t see Gould jumping ship when he did. Not sure he would have been too bothered about Barbados with an away game at Old Trafford on the weekend followed by a mid-week away Euro cup tie at Inter Milan (I can dream!). If we were in the prem lots of people would know the name of Richard Gould - I doubt very much anyone will know the name of someone high up within the international cricket administration? I think being in the public eye is important to people of his ilk. To summarise I think we can all agree that there is currently something fundamentally wrong with our club and the exit of Gould I believe was a by-product of this. If for example he were the CEO of Luton last year I’m not sure he would have left them when he left us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said: Again appreciate what you’re saying but football is our national game followed by millions of passionate fans and has a much higher profile than cricket. If City had any serious ambitions I couldn’t see Gould jumping ship when he did. Not sure he would have been too bothered about Barbados with an away game at Old Trafford on the weekend followed by a mid-week away Euro cup tie at Inter Milan (I can dream!). If we were in the prem lots of people would know the name of Richard Gould - I doubt very much anyone will know the name of someone high up within the international cricket administration? I think being in the public eye is important to people of his ilk. To summarise I think we can all agree that there is currently something fundamentally wrong with our club and the exit of Gould I believe was a by-product of this. If for example he were the CEO of Luton last year I’m not sure he would have left them when he left us? I think the point you're making is, 'you don't really like cricket, and you prefer football, and therefore expect everyone else to like football more than cricket'. If I was Gould and had the choice between the City role and the cricket role, I'd take the cricket role - and I'm a fan of City! 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said: To summarise I think we can all agree that there is currently something fundamentally wrong with our club Yep. 9 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said: and the exit of Gould I believe was a by-product of this Nope. Barbados, maybe not, but this is a bloke who would rather wander around the HPC looking for golf balls than watch the game going on on the show pitch. ECB was his dream sporting job, following the Somerset and Surrey roles. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yep. Nope. Barbados, maybe not, but this is a bloke who would rather wander around the HPC looking for golf balls than watch the game going on on the show pitch. ECB was his dream sporting job, following the Somerset and Surrey roles. Plus, he's now working with his best mate Thompson rather than Jon and Steve Lansdown! People forget/don't fully appreciate that financially football below the Prem and the teams with PPs is made up of pretty small businesses. £30m of revenue is, to the man on the street, a lot of money. But it represents a medium-sized business, and it's on the smaller side of medium. Most clubs in League 2, many in League 1, and even one or two in the Championship file accounts for small companies - ie they are legally defined as small companies. As a CEO, unless you're in the top 10 or so clubs in the country, there are much bigger roles available in sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Plus, he's now working with his best mate Thompson rather than Jon and Steve Lansdown! People forget/don't fully appreciate that financially football below the Prem and the teams with PPs is made up of pretty small businesses. £30m of revenue is, to the man on the street, a lot of money. But it represents a medium-sized business, and it's on the smaller side of medium. Most clubs in League 2, many in League 1, and even one or two in the Championship file accounts for small companies - ie they are legally defined as small companies. As a CEO, unless you're in the top 10 or so clubs in the country, there are much bigger roles available in sport. And from a Bristol City FC Ltd perspective, as that is what he was CEO of, not Ashton Gate or Holdings, it’s a £17m business. So ECB is 20x as big! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) On 15/09/2023 at 20:25, phantom said: So why do Bristol City pay to rent ground etc etc We're discussing Bristol Sport dictates the pricing in the ground, all of which is out of our control Because away supporters don't sit in either stand They pay their share of ground staff, ticket sellers and probably a couple of other items. This is done this way because the football club and rugby club/ basketball club, only employs player, coaching and medical staff. Unlike years ago when it was only City who played at Ashton Gate and employed all of the aforementioned functions. It's not rocket science is it. Or perhaps it needs constant explanation for some who don't want or can't understand. Edited September 19, 2023 by cidered abroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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