TheBigFatWurzel Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 IN MY OPINION THE ATYEO WAS OUR KOP END BEFORE THE CLUB DECIDED TO GIVE IT TO THE AWAY FANS. NOW BEING THE SMALLER STAND WITH THE OLD STYLE ROOF, THE NOISE CARRIES AROUND THE OTHER STANDS AND MAKES THE AWAY NOISE DROWN OUT OUR POXY SINGING SECTION. I THINK GIVE THE AWAY FANS THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF ONE END OF THE WILLIAMS STAND. DIVIDING THE AWAY FANS INTO TWO TIERS ESPECIALLY FOR THE LARGER AWAY ALLOCATIONS. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO GET THE ATMOSPHERE BACK DOWN THE GATE, EVERY HOME GAME IS A JOKE, IT'S LIKE BEING AT THE CRICKET THE IDEA OF A HOME ADVANTAGE IS FEELING THE SUPPORT OF YOUR HOME FANS BUT CITY HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH THE FANS. MAYBE THE CLUB COULD TRIAL IT ON SOME CUP FIXTURES BEFORE NEXT SEASON. WHO AGREES WITH A CHANGE??? YOURS TRULY THE BIG FAT WURZEL XXXX 9 1 1 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bristol Rob Posted September 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2023 Surprised this hasn't been mentioned before. 1 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilC Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 32 minutes ago, TheBigFatWurzel said: IN MY OPINION THE ATYEO WAS OUR KOP END BEFORE THE CLUB DECIDED TO GIVE IT TO THE AWAY FANS. NOW BEING THE SMALLER STAND WITH THE OLD STYLE ROOF, THE NOISE CARRIES AROUND THE OTHER STANDS AND MAKES THE AWAY NOISE DROWN OUT OUR POXY SINGING SECTION. I THINK GIVE THE AWAY FANS THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF ONE END OF THE WILLIAMS STAND. DIVIDING THE AWAY FANS INTO TWO TIERS ESPECIALLY FOR THE LARGER AWAY ALLOCATIONS. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO GET THE ATMOSPHERE BACK DOWN THE GATE, EVERY HOME GAME IS A JOKE, IT'S LIKE BEING AT THE CRICKET THE IDEA OF A HOME ADVANTAGE IS FEELING THE SUPPORT OF YOUR HOME FANS BUT CITY HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH THE FANS. MAYBE THE CLUB COULD TRIAL IT ON SOME CUP FIXTURES BEFORE NEXT SEASON. WHO AGREES WITH A CHANGE??? YOURS TRULY THE BIG FAT WURZEL XXXX Left your Caps Lock on mate.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Surprised this hasn't been mentioned before. Not all in Caps and Italic though Rob, it might gain traction this time. 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Needs knocking down and rebuilt as well.... 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) Okay let's go with some logistics @TheBigFatWurzel I don't think the acoustics are so brilliant in real terms but the best in the redeveloped ground yes. I'm not totally against it but Cup figures are a challenge as FA rules for FA Cup games mandate 15 pct of capacity. Could be trialled in some League games but would need clearance with SAG I assume, Licensing Authority etc. Is this possible mid-sesson? In your view is the stand split or solely for home? Where do the 2k minimum (15 pct of capacity for away fans go). Your ideal stand behind goal would have safe Standing presumably. This needs to be applied for and granted via Licensing, up to 16 criteria. That's just for a start. Key questions are therefore: *Cost *Feasibility *Time frame *Full approval and licensing from regulatory bodies. To recap on the regs bit- for away fans: *2k minimum or 10 pct allocation, whichever the lesser for EFL. *15 pct capacity FA Cup. *3k minimum or 10 pct capacity PL- whichever is less basically. Edited September 15, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Dave Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Think it would be better if they split it down the middle. You’d get a better atmosphere then. Don’t know how that works with away fan allocation mind! Also, we’d probably have to build a new toilet block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 The obvious question is how you segregate the fans in the concourses. That's why the opposition have the Atyeo. Separate concourse. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Problem being, it would almost certainly be the cheapest part of the ground. So I’m not sure you’d get the type of fan you’re hoping for, or certainly not fully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Superjack said: The obvious question is how you segregate the fans in the concourses. That's why the opposition have the Atyeo. Separate concourse. They managed to segregate it when it was split before, so why can't they do it again? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) The safety authority, I cant remember exact title, are probably to bear most of the blame because of the segregation at football league matches. The Atyeo stand does not "belong to" the under seating concourse of the other three stands and is therefore the top candidate for easy segregation. So whatever we, the fans, want, it will be turned down because of the safety authority. Edited September 15, 2023 by cidered abroad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Hello Dave said: Think it would be better if they split it down the middle. You’d get a better atmosphere then. Don’t know how that works with away fan allocation mind! Also, we’d probably have to build a new toilet block. We build a new toilet block after every visit by Swansea City morons! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Could just make it the uncovered end again. That would reduce away attendances and sort the noise levels out! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ecko said: They managed to segregate it when it was split before, so why can't they do it again? My suspicion is that it just less hassle not to. But I don't have the answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Bring back “red n white night” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Dave Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: We build a new toilet block after every visit by Swansea City morons! Fair comment, but it was more to do with sharing facilities. Do we just shack hands after having a piss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewisdabaron Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Hello Dave said: Fair comment, but it was more to do with sharing facilities. Do we just shack hands after having a piss? More than 1 toilet block in the Atyeo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post City37 Posted September 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 hour ago, TheBigFatWurzel said: IN MY OPINION THE ATYEO WAS OUR KOP END BEFORE THE CLUB DECIDED TO GIVE IT TO THE AWAY FANS. NOW BEING THE SMALLER STAND WITH THE OLD STYLE ROOF, THE NOISE CARRIES AROUND THE OTHER STANDS AND MAKES THE AWAY NOISE DROWN OUT OUR POXY SINGING SECTION. I THINK GIVE THE AWAY FANS THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF ONE END OF THE WILLIAMS STAND. DIVIDING THE AWAY FANS INTO TWO TIERS ESPECIALLY FOR THE LARGER AWAY ALLOCATIONS. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO GET THE ATMOSPHERE BACK DOWN THE GATE, EVERY HOME GAME IS A JOKE, IT'S LIKE BEING AT THE CRICKET THE IDEA OF A HOME ADVANTAGE IS FEELING THE SUPPORT OF YOUR HOME FANS BUT CITY HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH THE FANS. MAYBE THE CLUB COULD TRIAL IT ON SOME CUP FIXTURES BEFORE NEXT SEASON. WHO AGREES WITH A CHANGE??? YOURS TRULY THE BIG FAT WURZEL XXXX The same Atyeo stand that the majority on here used to say was crap for atmosphere... crap roof .....crap acoustics. 31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 39 minutes ago, archie andrews said: Needs knocking down and rebuilt as well.... Really does, it looks awful now and ruins the look of AG. Planning issues I think though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Just now, City37 said: The same Atyeo stand that the majority on here used to say was crap for atmosphere... crap roof .....crap acoustics. Ashton Gate has always been fairly quiet. It was the same in the old ground. Once our tails are up it’s great, but we are an expectant fan base! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 I always find it funny that when home fans were in the Atyeo it apparently had awful acoustics, but now the away fans are there, it's suddenly the best stand for acoustics. 2 minutes ago, City37 said: The same Atyeo stand that the majority on here used to say was crap for atmosphere... crap roof .....crap acoustics. Ah beat me to it. 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Really does, it looks awful now and ruins the look of AG. Planning issues I think though. We could always do a Gash.........**** the planners , knock it down and build a new 10k "temporary" stand ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChippenhamRed Posted September 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) The acoustics thing is so overstated. Were the acoustics a problem when Korey’s winner hit the net? Having the singing section in the corner between the two most vocal stands is perfectly adequate to make large amounts of noise. The corner should even give a megaphone effect, compared to being in the middle of a stand with open sides, if we ARE going to obsess about acoustics. The main reason the atmosphere is so flat is because we’ve had very few games that have really mattered since the stadium was redeveloped. Generally we’ve played fairly inconsequential mid table games. We haven’t had a play off game, a must-win relegation decider or a Bristol derby. We’ve had little to get excited about. And on the odd occasion when we have, the atmosphere has been excellent. Putting fans in the Atyeo will just disperse our vocal support over a wider area. Also, we’re kidding ourselves if we think the Atyeo was “our kop”. That’s a bit of an embarrassing comparison frankly. It wasn’t even our traditional home end. We need to stop pretending the only reason Ashton Gate isn’t like the Istanbul derby every week is because of the acoustics or the layout of the ground. It’s a nonsense. Edited September 15, 2023 by ChippenhamRed 27 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilRascal Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Our kop was the east end. 14 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Nah...the East End was and always will be our 'Kop.' The Atyeo will always be the Park end (open end) when we were kicked out of the East end, originally. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City37 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: The acoustics thing is so overstated. Were the acoustics a problem when Korey’s winner hit the net? Having the singing section in the corner between the two most vocal stands is perfectly adequate to make large amounts of noise. The corner should even give a megaphone effect, compared to being in the middle of a stand with open sides, if we ARE going to obsess about acoustics. The main reason the atmosphere is so flat is because we’ve had very few games that have really mattered since the stadium was redeveloped. Generally we’ve played fairly inconsequential mid table games. We haven’t had a play off game, a must-win relegation decider or a Bristol derby. We’ve had little to get excited about. And on the odd occasion when we have, the atmosphere has been excellent. Putting fans in the Atyeo will just disperse our vocal support over a wider area. Also, we’re kidding ourselves if we think the Atyeo was “our kop”. That’s a bit of an embarrassing comparison frankly. It wasn’t even our traditional home end. We need to stop pretending the only reason Ashton Gate isn’t like the Istanbul derby every week is because of the acoustics or the layout of the ground. It’s a nonsense. Spot on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 hour ago, TheBigFatWurzel said: IN MY OPINION THE ATYEO WAS OUR KOP END BEFORE THE CLUB DECIDED TO GIVE IT TO THE AWAY FANS. NOW BEING THE SMALLER STAND WITH THE OLD STYLE ROOF, THE NOISE CARRIES AROUND THE OTHER STANDS AND MAKES THE AWAY NOISE DROWN OUT OUR POXY SINGING SECTION. I THINK GIVE THE AWAY FANS THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF ONE END OF THE WILLIAMS STAND. DIVIDING THE AWAY FANS INTO TWO TIERS ESPECIALLY FOR THE LARGER AWAY ALLOCATIONS. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO GET THE ATMOSPHERE BACK DOWN THE GATE, EVERY HOME GAME IS A JOKE, IT'S LIKE BEING AT THE CRICKET THE IDEA OF A HOME ADVANTAGE IS FEELING THE SUPPORT OF YOUR HOME FANS BUT CITY HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH THE FANS. MAYBE THE CLUB COULD TRIAL IT ON SOME CUP FIXTURES BEFORE NEXT SEASON. WHO AGREES WITH A CHANGE??? YOURS TRULY THE BIG FAT WURZEL XXXX Just wondering where abouts in the ground you sit and how much noise you make during the game. A bit off referring to the singing section as 'poxy.' Fwiw I sit roughly in the middle of the South Stand and sing along with every song. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 30 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Really does, it looks awful now and ruins the look of AG. Planning issues I think though. We could put in a tent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 56 minutes ago, Superjack said: The obvious question is how you segregate the fans in the concourses. That's why the opposition have the Atyeo. Separate concourse. This is the problem that @TheBigFatWurzel conveniently ignores. Splitting the Lansdown (not the Williams) stand would involve a major rebuild to ensure segregation in the upper and lower concourses. It’s not going to happen. These crazy ideas crop up on a regular basis. Perhaps we could have an “oh no not again” emoji. In fairness to the OP he/she only joined in August so hasn’t seen the dozens of similar threads on this subject. We’ve got a separate transfer section so why not have a separate one for Ashton Gate rebuilds? (and send the suggestions direct to SL so that he can splash a few more millions) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 41 minutes ago, City37 said: The same Atyeo stand that the majority on here used to say was crap for atmosphere... crap roof .....crap acoustics. Very glad you mentioned this @City37 If the away fans had the SS or Dolman that would have the best acoustics. Dolman B block in the late 80's and 90's was pumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Where are people hearing the 'noise' from the Atyeo from. As someone who sits about two thirds of the way up in the South Stand (row 23) I never hear a peeo from the Atyeo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) The thing about the Atyeo, it isn't IMO either brilliant or awful for acoustics. However however, it's a lot to distil into one post but... 1) Post 1992 with all-seater etc, grounds crowds became pacified. 2) However a culture arose whereby away fans continued to stand if you stand you are more likely to sing and chant. 3) Easier to control home fans in that scenario ad it seems to be accepted or the dome thing that a majority of away fans will sit and are only there once a year in the main, whereas home fans can be easier controlled in this sense especially if season ticket holders etc. Then you have to look at the individual club and or Safety Advisory Group. Their approach to these matters, and this is where we can criticise as far as our situation is concerned. A "Singing Section" of 1,200 tucked into a corner is always going to be at a disadvantage when up against an away following of 2-3.5k when a majority stand. The club could reduce away allocations, the club could move the location or at least explore it seriously, the club could at least expire seriously a larger or closer "Singing Section". Some of these yes longer term, hoops to jump through- Licensing etc. The SAG like our council seem like a shower of shit sadly but who knows. People need a degree of realism and strategic thinking however. A bigger "Singing Section" would be good but logistically this whole thing while complying with allocation rules- which differ in the EFL, FA Cup and if we ever get there, the PL..you need an away section big enough to cover all 3 arguably. Edited September 15, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 When we were in there, everyone was blaming the acoustics of the stand for making us seem quiet to away fans in the East End. Apparently, now it's a great stand for acoustics!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Red Skin said: When we were in there, everyone was blaming the acoustics of the stand for making us seem quiet to away fans in the East End. Apparently, now it's a great stand for acoustics!! East End had the best acoustics for sure and again you're perhaps not factoring in the crowd dynamics and the impact on atmosphere generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 I didn't notice a lack of atmosphere when we've had big games. The numbers actively participating, rather than having whatever part of the ground (and suggesting we'd ever get the atyeo back, well, realistically it's not happening), has the biggest impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 hours ago, PhilC said: Left your Caps Lock on mate.... And italics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombsy Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 It’s the all seater stadium that killed the atmosphere 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sleepy1968 said: I didn't notice a lack of atmosphere when we've had big games. The numbers actively participating, rather than having whatever part of the ground (and suggesting we'd ever get the atyeo back, well, realistically it's not happening), has the biggest impact. This is fair. Albeit it all helps ie can hinder- marginal gains e.g., I don't think 3-3.5k away fans enhances our chance of winning. Does this have a negative impact on the atmosphere? Perhaps. I accept the allocation rules differ for the FA Cup. 40 minutes ago, Coombsy said: It’s the all seater stadium that killed the atmosphere Ultimately yes. Although a bigger "Safe Standing" area can help. Away fans will invariably stand as a majority these days, home fans don't have that privilege. Throw in a smaller "Safe Standing" area or "Singing Section", and it really gives a major advantage to sides with sizable away followings. Edited September 15, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Not been to a live game since the EE got flattened, its gone as is the open end/enclosure etc, we are now part of something else, someone elses dream. There is no going back to any of it, they are all just memories. Seem to be going around and around in circles the only bright light is NP by some stroke of luck more than judgement SL has somehow landed him. Sadly seems to have closed the wallet yet showered prev choices with seemingly fortunes, so looks like this will be NP`s last season here then move on to our next owner/manager. SL and co days here are numbered, no-one lives forever, hoping for better times ahead...who knows what the next 50yrs will bring...... Not much chance of home fans getting back in Atyeo any day soon, if only we had our own ground eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Amazing how the stand wasn’t any good when the singers were in it but now it’s the bees knees 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 16 minutes ago, Coombsy said: It’s the all seater stadium that killed the atmosphere It's the people who can't be arsed to sing that killed the atmosphere (Although I fully appreciate where you're coming from ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 3 hours ago, archie andrews said: Needs knocking down and rebuilt as well.... don’t forget you need planning permission for that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Knock the south stand down, and put the wedlock back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider red Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 As others have said, before the redevelopment people said how poor the atyeo acoustics were. Hardly a Kopp end, that was the old east end IMO. I do agree about the away fans, I actually think we should put them up in the top tier of the landsdown out the way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Dave Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Lewisdabaron said: More than 1 toilet block in the Atyeo. Is it segregated though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 hours ago, Superjack said: The obvious question is how you segregate the fans in the concourses. That's why the opposition have the Atyeo. Separate concourse. Stick them all in the upper Lansdown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jeez said: Stick them all in the upper Lansdown Remember the away allocation is a movable feast. 2k- Championship, or 10 pct of capacity- whichever is lower. 15 pct of ground or up to- FA Cup 3k or 10 pct of capacity- PL- whichever is lower. How much does the Upper Lansdown hold? 2k, 4,050 and 3k basically. Or maybe 2.7k if we ever went up. Although this allocation is somewhat subject to SAG approval. The maximum capacity of the Atyeo maybe 3.4-3.5k. Edited September 15, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 hours ago, pongo88 said: Splitting the Lansdown (not the Williams) stand ... I’m a bit too nostalgic where that’s concerned; rather like The Colston Hall, I still refer to that stand as its previous name, The Williams - perhaps because when I was queuing through the night for play off tickets in 1988, dear old Des Williams turned up with a pot of tea and walked down the line pouring cups to keep us going - an absolute gent and as important to our history as people like Beryl Fudge etc ... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Ah yes - look at the unlimited success & glory days of those years where we had the Atyeo as the home end...! Now maybe this is a bit of an out of the box suggestion... but maybe people could just sing wherever they currently sit..?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) There are a few queries with that. Albeit the principle point I agree with somewhat 1) Seated fans statistically I would suggest are less likely to sing and chant than standing fans. 2) Therefore a bigger ' Safe Standing' area is perhaps needed. Albeit I accept it's a bit reductionist. 3) Away fans these days have the privilege of standing in greater numbers and are more of a critical mass. All-seater but away fans stand. 4) See point 1..this will as it did v Birmingham give West Brom a nice advantage tomorrow. 3-3.5k in a concentrated mass certainly will help. Edited September 15, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benneythered Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 The club can't win, people moaned when away fans were in the other end and now they cant have this end, they have to go somewhere and logistically an isolated stand is ideal. You can't be all things to all people and the fact that the atmosphere is dead has nothing to do with where the away fans are, wake up, even our 'ultras' stop singing after 10 minutes so what makes you think this would change anything. The club need to visit other grounds around europe hopefully then they will see how to build an atmosphere pre match. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Okay let's go with some logistics @TheBigFatWurzel I don't think the acoustics are so brilliant in real terms but the best in the redeveloped ground yes. I'm not totally against it but Cup figures are a challenge as FA rules for FA Cup games mandate 15 pct of capacity. Could be trialled in some League games but would need clearance with SAG I assume, Licensing Authority etc. Is this possible mid-sesson? In your view is the stand split or solely for home? Where do the 2k minimum (15 pct of capacity for away fans go). Your ideal stand behind goal would have safe Standing presumably. This needs to be applied for and granted via Licensing, up to 16 criteria. That's just for a start. Key questions are therefore: *Cost *Feasibility *Time frame *Full approval and licensing from regulatory bodies. To recap on the regs bit- for away fans: *2k minimum or 10 pct allocation, whichever the lesser for EFL. *15 pct capacity FA Cup. *3k minimum or 10 pct capacity PL- whichever is less basically. Well then the necessary people need to pull their fingers out and get on with it there's lots to do. COYR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 8 hours ago, City37 said: The same Atyeo stand that the majority on here used to say was crap for atmosphere... crap roof .....crap acoustics. 100% mental people want to go back in there! Away fans are louder because they’re away fans same as when we go away we’re louder than at home and the opposition home fans happens all around the country but some people think it’s unique to us! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacki Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: The acoustics thing is so overstated. Were the acoustics a problem when Korey’s winner hit the net? Having the singing section in the corner between the two most vocal stands is perfectly adequate to make large amounts of noise. The corner should even give a megaphone effect, compared to being in the middle of a stand with open sides, if we ARE going to obsess about acoustics. The main reason the atmosphere is so flat is because we’ve had very few games that have really mattered since the stadium was redeveloped. Generally we’ve played fairly inconsequential mid table games. We haven’t had a play off game, a must-win relegation decider or a Bristol derby. We’ve had little to get excited about. And on the odd occasion when we have, the atmosphere has been excellent. Putting fans in the Atyeo will just disperse our vocal support over a wider area. Also, we’re kidding ourselves if we think the Atyeo was “our kop”. That’s a bit of an embarrassing comparison frankly. It wasn’t even our traditional home end. We need to stop pretending the only reason Ashton Gate isn’t like the Istanbul derby every week is because of the acoustics or the layout of the ground. It’s a nonsense. I couldn’t agree more with this post and have been saying it for years. The atmosphere at AG, or lack of it, is nothing to do with acoustics or the layout of the stadium. The place can be absolutely bouncing when it gets going. When there’s a string of poor refereeing decisions, when we pile forward and get some momentum going, when there’s a real edge to a game, or when we’re playing a big cup tie the fans get fully engaged and there are no problems with acoustics at all. It’s just that none of those things have happened often enough over the past few years (apart from poor officiating). It’s an extreme example but, Bristol derbies aside, I’ve never heard a better atmosphere than the big Man United game because everyone was bang up for it, the game was huge and we played magnificently against one of the biggest clubs in the world. There were problems with acoustics that night. To say there are at other times is a convenient line and a load of nonsense imo. 13 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: 13 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: 13 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: Edited September 16, 2023 by Jacki Triple post ??♂️ 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 14 hours ago, Sir Geoff said: Nah...the East End was and always will be our 'Kop.' The Atyeo will always be the Park end (open end) when we were kicked out of the East end, originally. Exactly this. The Atyeo was built and we had to go in there, no one liked it. I would guess most of us who experienced the 'proper' Eastend have drifted away to other stands. I find it a bit 'rose tinted glasses' that people are hankering back misty eyed to what the Atyeo was in their minds. The Atyeo was never the Eastend as far as I'm concerned, fully understand it's now the next generation or so. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedsHeadIs Red Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 City fans need to create more ‘acoustics’ in response to the team inspiring more ‘acoustics’. Problem solved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewisdabaron Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 11 hours ago, Hello Dave said: Is it segregated though? Yes, the Atyeo has been shared between home & away fans before with internal segregation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedontplayinblue Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 11 hours ago, Hello Dave said: Is it segregated though? Yes it can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City37 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 14 hours ago, Nomad said: Very glad you mentioned this @City37 If the away fans had the SS or Dolman that would have the best acoustics. Dolman B block in the late 80's and 90's was pumping. Block B in the early 90s was great - as a youngster I can remember looking up to see all the lads in there giving it some ... and them clattering the wooden chairs. There used to be some proper characters in the Dolman. Think I spent most of the time watching the crowd and not the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 7 hours ago, mightyreds89 said: 100% mental people want to go back in there! Away fans are louder because they’re away fans same as when we go away we’re louder than at home and the opposition home fans happens all around the country but some people think it’s unique to us! Nail on the head there. Even speaking as someone who has great memories of that end, the current situation makes a lot of sense. Segregation across the same stand is a waste of space and causes more trouble for the stewards. It looks a bit naff too, as though the ground has not been fully thought through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 11 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I’m a bit too nostalgic where that’s concerned; rather like The Colston Hall, I still refer to that stand as its previous name, The Williams - perhaps because when I was queuing through the night for play off tickets in 1988, dear old Des Williams turned up with a pot of tea and walked down the line pouring cups to keep us going - an absolute gent and as important to our history as people like Beryl Fudge etc ... Do you still refer to the Dolman by the name of its predecessor - The Cowshed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 1 hour ago, pongo88 said: Do you still refer to the Dolman by the name of its predecessor - The Cowshed? "Just taking the tram to watch Bristol South End, dear... will be back in time to catch the Caruso concert at the electric kinematoscope...." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper 123 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Just get off your ass and support your team and the atmosphere will follow COYR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 18 hours ago, archie andrews said: Needs knocking down and rebuilt as well.... Agreed, only then will away fans be rehoused in my opinion...a few years off though until the Sporting Quarter is built and settled in...sure there's a provisional plan for the stand somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 What happened to the promises from the club when we were to return to the old east end? Which is that the south stand would have standing along the back or front and the fans decided that the back would be the best option. I think the club agreed to this but they have done nothing. Also we're 1 and a half thousand fans down from the old east end and those fans have either gone to other stands or given up entirely. This club seems to give us false hope. The south stand is supposed to be our home end and always should be but I just feel like the club can't be bothered and are making Ashton gate a home game for the away teams which is making me extremely angry about it. Ashton gate should be a fortress for the loyal supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 13 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I’m a bit too nostalgic where that’s concerned; rather like The Colston Hall, I still refer to that stand as its previous name, The Williams - perhaps because when I was queuing through the night for play off tickets in 1988, dear old Des Williams turned up with a pot of tea and walked down the line pouring cups to keep us going - an absolute gent and as important to our history as people like Beryl Fudge etc ... Get thee down Broadmead before you fly from Lulsgate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 19 hours ago, TheBigFatWurzel said: IN MY OPINION THE ATYEO WAS OUR KOP END BEFORE THE CLUB DECIDED TO GIVE IT TO THE AWAY FANS. NOW BEING THE SMALLER STAND WITH THE OLD STYLE ROOF, THE NOISE CARRIES AROUND THE OTHER STANDS AND MAKES THE AWAY NOISE DROWN OUT OUR POXY SINGING SECTION. I THINK GIVE THE AWAY FANS THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF ONE END OF THE WILLIAMS STAND. DIVIDING THE AWAY FANS INTO TWO TIERS ESPECIALLY FOR THE LARGER AWAY ALLOCATIONS. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO GET THE ATMOSPHERE BACK DOWN THE GATE, EVERY HOME GAME IS A JOKE, IT'S LIKE BEING AT THE CRICKET THE IDEA OF A HOME ADVANTAGE IS FEELING THE SUPPORT OF YOUR HOME FANS BUT CITY HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH THE FANS. MAYBE THE CLUB COULD TRIAL IT ON SOME CUP FIXTURES BEFORE NEXT SEASON. WHO AGREES WITH A CHANGE??? YOURS TRULY THE BIG FAT WURZEL XXXX Unless they updated the Atyeo stand after having been in the South or Lansdown it would feel really dated though I get where you are coming from as far as atmosphere goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 14 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: Ah yes - look at the unlimited success & glory days of those years where we had the Atyeo as the home end...! Now maybe this is a bit of an out of the box suggestion... but maybe people could just sing wherever they currently sit..?! Don’t be so stupid , how dare you use logic and common sense on this forum, think our lack of or allegedly lack of ( if the team are performing it’s decent ) atmosphere over recent years is more to do with our home form and performances as anything else , fans myself included turning up with a bit of trepidation and apprehension, swansea couple of years ago 2-0 win superb atmosphere- same ground and away fans in the Atyeo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 West Brom fans have hardly made a sound, despite big numbers in the Atyeo..... Are the acoustics in that stand rubbish...... or is it because they aren't making any noise..?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: West Brom fans have hardly made a sound, despite big numbers in the Atyeo..... Are the acoustics in that stand rubbish...... or is it because they aren't making any noise..?! It’s all about how well your team are playing ( usually ) West Brom been poor hence no noise , if they go in front = more noise , same applies to city , we have so much shite over the past 3-4 years at home the atmosphere has been generally poor not rocket science 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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