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Kid in the Riot

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3 minutes ago, Selred said:

Hasn’t he been advising the club already? 

He advised the club to appoint Alexander so maybe Scudamore should come and mop up the mess !

To clarify, Phil Alexander was told to resign, or be sacked. He chose resignation. 

ALLEGEDLY  - hopefully you won't get any lawyers letters this time @TomF ?

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Bristol Rob

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1 minute ago, Loco Rojo said:

Is it? As i write this, nothing officially confirmed yet that he's gone (unless i've missed it). Perhaps the comms is being prepared now?

Or perhaps they club think....

99% of supporters don't care who the CEO is, they just care that the team are playing well. 

This forum gives people who contribute to it the chance to demand information that 25 years ago we would never know and only find out if the Evening Post reported it, there must be huge numbers of supporters who have no knowledge or appreciation of FFP and a likelihood that most don't care.

All told, we (collectively) over think the most insignificant things and have an unquenchable thirst for detail that in all honesty, we have no right to know. 

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55 minutes ago, Malago said:

Admitting that we sold our best young player in my lifetime, because the owner wasn’t prepared to cover the cost of this year’s deficit, wouldn’t have gone down well.

It’s an interesting angle on what he said.  I didn’t read it that way, but I hadn’t thought of it that way either.

What I am putting 2+2 together with is the solidarity between Tins and Nige in Tins recent interview.

Maybe PA wanted to give Nige a new contract (Legend comments previously) and SL doesn’t.  Purely speculative from me, but football closing ranks…I like it.  Good old Tins, good old Nige.

36 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

Weird that people wanted Ashton out early and slagged off Lansdown for not getting him out. But potentially our new CEO is leaving and maybe sacked and Lansdown is crap blah blah.. without knowing any real details.

Typical club bashing as always by some. It could be so many different reasons if true. Gross misconduct, Resigned, Illness, Takeover and plenty other scenarios.

Let's just wait and see without bringing out the pitchforks or bedsheets straight away eh?

I think some of the early anti-Ashton stuff was from his first time here in 2012.  Some knew he was a “see you next Tuesday” before he came back to sack Cotts.  SL didn’t have the bottle.

28 minutes ago, TomF said:

Clearly he what’s the otib job when I leave. 

Your lasting legacy will be scrapping the “ignore thread” button.  Fickle bunch us OTIBers ???

18 minutes ago, Wedontplayinblue said:

Phil Alexander has decided to leave his role due to other commitments, we would like to express our deep thanks for Phil for all his work during his time at Bristol City.

 

@CodeRed this is your domain, expecting something good! ?

14 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Has to be towing the party line and be fully signed up to Lansdown Inc behind the scenes too. There was some noises he, like others before him, was troubled by the footballing operation.

One thing for sure, is there is nowhere to hide for Steve and Jon now, and one of them needs to give a statement on this & a general footballing update. 

Do you the pure football side - Nige, Tins etc, or the operation side?

7 minutes ago, One Team said:

You joke but Fevs would be a good shout he knows the numbers better than they do! 

Haha, would not know where to start, apart from I could sign a playing deal and be the ageing target man you’re all after!

5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Just been told... Alexander was pushed. 

…and that makes a lot of sense to me.

Well that’s the wage budget even more constrained…because I’m assuming he will want paying off?

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29 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

And yet 18 months ago, there were NP out threads and that was all SLs fault as well.

I am struggling to keep up.

Not from me, Rob. I was under no illusions as to the job NP faced. Like my opinion or not, I’ve been consistent in wanting the Lansdowns out for many years now. While grateful for the infrastructure, we will never achieve anything with them at the helm. And by anything, my aspiration is to see us in the PL before I die. 31, nearly 32, years of support and waiting. 

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3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

He advised the club to appoint Alexander so maybe Scudamore should come and mop up the mess !

To clarify, Phil Alexander was told to resign, or be sacked. He chose resignation. 

ALLEGEDLY  - hopefully you won't get any lawyers letters this time @TomF ?

Surely that would be something to do with misconduct? It’s hard to just sack someone to force them up with good reason.

Maybe Lansdown was annoyed Phil made the point, several times, that he was the one negotiating with Bournemouth.

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1 minute ago, Henry said:

Surely that would be something to do with misconduct? It’s hard to just sack someone to force them up with good reason.

Maybe Lansdown was annoyed Phil made the point, several times, that he was the one negotiating with Bournemouth.

I mean…that's a bit petty, isn't it

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Under what circumstances do you give an employee an option to resign or be sacked?

(And under what circumstances would the employee chose to resign?)

I know that had I ever committed Gross Misconduct in a job, I wouldn't be asked to resign. (So maybe it's not that.)

Just all seems odd. Allegedly.

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1 minute ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Under what circumstances do you give an employee an option to resign or be sacked?

(And under what circumstances would the employee chose to resign?)

I know that had I ever committed Gross Misconduct in a job, I wouldn't be asked to resign.

Just all seems odd. Allegedly.

Quicker if they resign with a payoff and nobody wants a sacking on their CV.  Pretty common practise 

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I can't see PA walking at his age...

Maybe Pearson wasn't happy with the relationship with PA and the Lansdowns (Steve and Jon) have suddenly realised that they have a good experienced manager that is willing (albeit reluctantly) to be on the 'Lansdown's Bus'.

There is zero reason for Steve Lansdown to seek another manager at this time in view that the team are finally united and the wage bill has been significantly reduced.

I think a new CEO will come in and NP will get at least a 1 or 2 year extension to his contract. If that doesn't happen, the club really is in a shambolic state.

 

 

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Under what circumstances do you give an employee an option to resign or be sacked?

(And under what circumstances would the employee chose to resign?)

I know that had I ever committed Gross Misconduct in a job, I wouldn't be asked to resign.

Just all seems odd. Allegedly.

Sometimes people are asked to resign to save the employer sacking them and the employee having that on their employment record. I don’t think it’s that unusual?

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2 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

perhaps bigger changes are afoot?

Could be the constant slating of Steve, John, Ashton, Johnson, the Atyeo stand, the Dolman PA, the Hummel kit deal, the kit designs and the cold hand driers has made him think...

I have put 200 million in to this club, done everything with the best of intentions, taken advice from industry experts, and yet this isn't enough for some people so I won't put any more money in other than to keep the club solvent.... Whilst the next owner might have more success, they might not, either way, I've done my bit and the lack of gratitude is overwhelming. 

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1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

Sometimes people are asked to resign to save the employer sacking them and the employee having that on their employment record. I don’t think it’s that unusual?

True, but at 61 (& I’m nearly there) you are far less bothered about that than earlier in your working life.

I know nothing but the gardening leave thing makes sense because we are outside the window, shirt stuff has been sorted & if you signal you’re going then there is little sense in hanging around.

It doesn’t look impressive from outside the club though, we all knew & understood Richard Gould’s reasons for leaving but looking for yet another CEO is short order calls into question the selection process, bit like the Dean Holden fiasco.

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Kid in the Riot

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9 minutes ago, Henry said:

Surely that would be something to do with misconduct? It’s hard to just sack someone to force them up with good reason.

It's very easy to get rid of an employee within their first two years of employment. 

8 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

perhaps bigger changes are afoot?

Nothing imminent, I don't think. 

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3 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Could be the constant slating of Steve, John, Ashton, Johnson, the Atyeo stand, the Dolman PA, the Hummel kit deal, the kit designs and the cold hand driers has made him think...

I have put 200 million in to this club, done everything with the best of intentions, taken advice from industry experts, and yet this isn't enough for some people so I won't put any more money in other than to keep the club solvent.... Whilst the next owner might have more success, they might not, either way, I've done my bit and the lack of gratitude is overwhelming. 

The reason he’s put so much money in is because he’s ran the club so badly. His quarter of a century in charge of city has been nothing but a massive underachievement.

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5 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Could be the constant slating of Steve, John, Ashton, Johnson, the Atyeo stand, the Dolman PA, the Hummel kit deal, the kit designs and the cold hand driers has made him think...

I have put 200 million in to this club, done everything with the best of intentions, taken advice from industry experts, and yet this isn't enough for some people so I won't put any more money in other than to keep the club solvent.... Whilst the next owner might have more success, they might not, either way, I've done my bit and the lack of gratitude is overwhelming. 

And in doing so SL’s legacy will be - the little boy spoilt, who took away his train set

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

But if they’ve done something that is sackable, there is no need to pay-off????

I get the bit about speed though.

No there isn’t but it’s quicker and easier to just get it done. If you sack them and they take it to court then it looks really bad.  Pay off probably a years salary. Just easier. Court fees would be more than that as well.  

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No there isn’t but it’s quicker and easier to just get it done. If you sack them and they take it to court then it looks really bad.  Pay off probably a years salary. Just easier. Court fees would be more than that as well.  

The club does have form for this!

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Our club is a joke. Constantly like to talk about being "PL ready off the field" when in fact we're an absolute farce. 

In theory maybe it's good that Lansdown got rid of someone who wasn't doing a good enough job, but he was at Palace for ages so that seems unlikely. More likely another falling out. 

Dave Fevs in ?

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11 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I can't see PA walking at his age...

Maybe Pearson wasn't happy with the relationship with PA and the Lansdowns (Steve and Jon) have suddenly realised that they have a good experienced manager that is willing (albeit reluctantly) to be on the 'Lansdown's Bus'.

There is zero reason for Steve Lansdown to seek another manager at this time in view that the team are finally united and the wage bill has been significantly reduced.

I think a new CEO will come in and NP will get at least a 1 or 2 year extension to his contract. If that doesn't happen, the club really is in a shambolic state.

 

 

My 2+2=5 is that PA did want to extend Nige, and that’s a reason he’s going.

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5 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Could be the constant slating of Steve, John, Ashton, Johnson, the Atyeo stand, the Dolman PA, the Hummel kit deal, the kit designs and the cold hand driers has made him think...

I have put 200 million in to this club, done everything with the best of intentions, taken advice from industry experts, and yet this isn't enough for some people so I won't put any more money in other than to keep the club solvent.... Whilst the next owner might have more success, they might not, either way, I've done my bit and the lack of gratitude is overwhelming. 

Whilst nobody can be ungrateful for the level of investment in the slightest some of the statements made along the lines of “my money, my club” mean that fans also putting in a decent proportion of their hard earned will feel they are able to cast judgement on they way the bloke has invested in what he feels is his club. That’s the way of the world.

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Phil Alexander has stood down as Bristol City CEO, Bristol Live understands, just eight months after the former Crystal Palace chief executive took over at Ashton Gate.
 

The above quote seems to imply he jumped rather than was pushed.  Written by James Piercy who seems to know what goes on at the club.

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22 minutes ago, headhunter said:

I wonder how Richard Scudamore feels about that as, I believe, SL sought his counsel on who to appoint? 

You work in recruitment, what response do you give when something doesn’t work out?

Imprecise science? One of those things?

Scudamore could justifiably argue he recommended a CEO who won an award as Prem CEO of the year & was at a more successful club than us for a very long time, not his fault if it didn’t work out.

Not like the Holden appointment of someone obviously promoted beyond his capability.

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It's poor that there has been no communication from the club, and the news has surfaced through supporters and local press. The club should have taken control of the situation and issued an announcement on Friday to manage the narrative. Now, they find themselves on the back foot. Highlights that SL/JL have taken their hands off the wheel!

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

My 2+2=5 is that PA did want to extend Nige, and that’s a reason he’s going.

My 2+2=5 is that SL logged onto OTIB to see you, one of our most sober and knowledgeable posters, ranting about his mismanagement of the club, knew he had to find a fall guy so fired big Phil!! 

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Whilst I’m more than happy to criticise Steve Lansdown where it is warranted — perhaps it is here - I’m going to play devil’s advocate here. Since Alexander joined, his profile has been pretty anonymous, we’ve had a disaster of a kit  launch, it has been pretty clear from Pearson’s interviews that he has been given confusing mixed messages about our transfer plans and the general sense of a steady ship we had under Richard Gould has given way to a sense we are lurching about without much of a strategy.

And yes - all of this could be due to Lansdown being passive, disinterested and a bit crap because he doesn’t want to own the club anymore but can’t find a buyer. But it could be that Alexander hasn’t been the right fit in terms of executing the club’s strategy and a parting of ways is actually the right thing to do…

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4 minutes ago, Malago said:

Phil Alexander has stood down as Bristol City CEO, Bristol Live understands, just eight months after the former Crystal Palace chief executive took over at Ashton Gate.
 

The above quote seems to imply he jumped rather than was pushed.  Written by James Piercy who seems to know what goes on at the club.

Surely that would be the same wording as that which would be used if he resigned because he was told to do so? 

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1 minute ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

What a week ! new away kit launched then CEO goes and poor Nige on crutches. I’m sure somebody can make a conspiracy theory out of that. Any takers

Perhaps he put Nige on crutches after Nige had a right pop at him that they didn’t stock an away shirt in his size ??  Phil said he knew nothing about it so Nige called him a f@@@@@g Ostrich and Phil decked him !! Far more likely than the BS that we’ll be told I expect ! 

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2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

My 2+2=5 is that SL logged onto OTIB to see you, one of our most sober and knowledgeable posters, ranting about his mismanagement of the club, knew he had to find a fall guy so fired big Phil!! 

Always someone to blame on OTIB, eh!

In the same timeline as…

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3 minutes ago, Pedrowe said:

It's poor that there has been no communication from the club, and the news has surfaced through supporters and local press. The club should have taken control of the situation and issued an announcement on Friday to manage the narrative. Now, they find themselves on the back foot. Highlights that SL/JL have taken their hands off the wheel!

I’m going to guess that JL isn’t bright enough to write a statement and everyone who can doesn’t work weekends!

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1 minute ago, Top Robin said:

Is it only me who doesn't give a toss about the CEO or directors of our club....basically they are just administrators and puppets of Lansdown.

The only personnel at Bristol City who are important to me are the players and the manager.

Correct for now but we will need someone in to navigate us through January.

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3 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Is it only me who doesn't give a toss about the CEO or directors of our club....basically they are just administrators and puppets of Lansdown.

The only personnel at Bristol City who are important to me are the players and the manager.

And who do you think makes the decisions / feeds into the decisions about Managers and players?  

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5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

My 2+2=5 is that PA did want to extend Nige, and that’s a reason he’s going.

In which case I hope he leaks it*, and we can all say we knew he was a good egg all along.

And finally The Owners true colours will be nailed to the mast for all to see.

(*obs won't happen if he has been paid off.)

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And who do you think makes the decisions / feeds into the decisions about Managers and players?  

Depending on who the whipping boy is and the direction of the wind and the general mood of OTIB, it will be either SL, JL or the CEO, but ultimately, someone somewhere will have to be blamed, as that's the way this forum works!

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6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Generally what EA says is true, a badly run club or a club in chaos..it will impact the football side eventually.

I didn't especially warm to Alexander, Gould was superior for sure IMO but looking for the 4th CEO in just under 2.5 years is not a good indicator.

Indeed, not a great look for anyone applying for the job. 

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5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Generally what EA says is true, a badly run club or a club in chaos..it will impact the football side eventually.

I didn't especially warm to Alexander, Gould was superior for sure IMO but looking for the 4th CEO in just under 2.5 years is not a good indicator.

Any “normal” business that gets through that amount of CEO’s in that time period would be subject to speculation that the Owner or the business itself is bloody difficult to work for.

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1 hour ago, megansdad said:

Stability of ownership, manager and head of development more important and we have that - would have preferred if RG had stayed but ECB came calling and that's a huge role. New CEO has not been in place long enough to be missed.

I, like you, would have liked Gould to stay. Gould was the best, but he also struggled to get the Lansdowns to bend and listen to his methods. The ECB was his dream role, but I got the impression he was pretty pleased that it came along.

I shan't miss Alexander much tbh, he won't live long in the memory.

I think that in modern football the CEO role is as important as the head of development/academy, and it should be as important as the manager.

We need owners who are willing to let the CEO be the CEO, let him (or her) call some shots and make some decisions.

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1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

Any “normal” business that gets through that amount of CEO’s in that time period would be subject to speculation that the Owner or the business itself is bloody difficult to work for.

Would it? Or would a new applicant be thinking 6-8 months in to a job, then ???????

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