Phil Alexander Gone (Confirmed)

[Simon bristol]

1 hour ago, !james said:

At least they got there! 

Agreed,,, like we all wouldnt swap, just for 1 year.

[42nite]

42 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Tbh Luton nearly went bust and were non League within the last decade. Got to top flight with a probably midtable budget for this level. Only got promoted back to the League in 2013-14. No wealthy benefactor.

No I don't think it is a model we should follow but the laughter is a bit rich tbh.  They have every opportunity to come back down stronger.

 

Yep, parachute payments for 3 years isn't it?

Much more than we'll have.

 

And the likelihood of us going up this year........

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, 42nite said:

 

Yep, parachute payments for 3 years isn't it?

Much more than we'll have.

 

And the likelihood of us going up this year........

 

2 years if straight up then down.

Year 1, Year 2 then onto Championship money. Whether they had any expectation of promotion in summer 2022 is a matter of debate tbh.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Curr Avon]

I'm surprised that no local media outlet has run the headline: Bristol City's PA 'Fixed' For Good

Edited September 19, 2023 by Curr Avon

[TV Tom]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Tonight!!!

I’m bullish about tonight’s game.  I’m rarely like this, but think we will click in front of goal tonight.

Hope you're right, Plymouth have adapted well and have been decent in all their games so far, my heart says City but head says Plymouth wont lose

[Red-Robbo]

1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

Must be great fun, watching your team get shafted 38 times.

 

You think about the money and how, when you go down, you are suddenly a big player in the second tier, liable to buy your way back up and maybe have more success second time around. 

I wonder how Bristol City's history would've been different had there been parachute payments in 1981. 

[Sir Geoff]

17 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

You think about the money and how, when you go down, you are suddenly a big player in the second tier, liable to buy your way back up and maybe have more success second time around. 

I wonder how Bristol City's history would've been different had there been parachute payments in 1981. 

As  a fan I want to see my team competitive, not sit in the stand and think, "wow we may be useless on the pitch but we've now got millions in the bank."

Also there are countless teams that don't / can't buy their way back up (Huddersfield, Wigan, Blackpool etc).

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, Sir Geoff said:

As  a fan I want to see my team competitive, not sit in the stand and think, "wow we may be useless on the pitch but we've now got millions in the bank."

Also there are countless teams that don't / can't buy their way back up (Huddersfield, Wigan, Blackpool etc).

Yeah, I know what you mean, but the thought that you'll be a bigger/better club in the future due to the cash investment is what would keep you going and be your consolation.

[cheese]

30 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

You think about the money and how, when you go down, you are suddenly a big player in the second tier, liable to buy your way back up and maybe have more success second time around. 

I wonder how Bristol City's history would've been different had there been parachute payments in 1981. 

It's us - we would have (almost) gone bust in '84 instead.

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, cheese said:

It's us - we would have (almost) gone bust in '84 instead.

 

P'raps it would only need to have been the Ashton Gate Seven? 

[Mr Popodopolous]

17 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Yeah, I know what you mean, but the thought that you'll be a bigger/better club in the future due to the cash investment is what would keep you going and be your consolation.

They are also moving into a new ground which will very much boost the income streams in the medium to long run, even if they may lose a certain home advantage due to the nature of Kenilworth Road vs the top 2 divisions.

[Mr Popodopolous]

As for Luton oh they'll struggle but with 3 away games to 1 home game it's a little artificially skewed. They should pick up some points at home.

[Ian M]

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

As for Luton oh they'll struggle but with 3 away games to 1 home game it's a little artificially skewed. They should pick up some points at home.

Unless they try to be more like Bristol City

[BrizzleRed]

56 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Yeah, I know what you mean, but the thought that you'll be a bigger/better club in the future due to the cash investment is what would keep you going and be your consolation.

Just imagine the rants on here when we get out-competed by Luton Town, as well as Bournemouth!  With SL’s admiration for them, we could even become their feeder club!!!

Fair play to them.  They’ve gone for it and if they play their cards right, they could really set themselves up in a big way.  

I’d take season of dickings, for two years of parachute payments.

[Philly The Kid]

Without opening old arguments, and as much as I loathe the man with every nerve and fibre in my body, I'm convinced we'd have played premier league football under Warnock.
It wouldn't have been pretty but it would've been effective. I think he feels the same as well as he never seems to miss an opportunity to say we're one of the clubs he's liked to have managed.

[marmite]

3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Tonight!!!

I’m bullish about tonight’s game.  I’m rarely like this, but think we will click in front of goal tonight.

You best to the team talk then Dave. I'm quite the opposite.  But then I'm a miserable old sod.

[Mr Popodopolous]

On the Warnock point  it is worth noting that in an era of FFP and Parachute Payments his formula maybe maybe not.

Found this from 2010-11, his QPR title side. Perhaps the newly relegated clubs were quite frugal but he did have the largest budget.

Via Swiss Ramble.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WI9Via0AXaE/T40gLL_NZLI/AAAAAAAAFi4/EOb9nOMADo4/s280/25%2BQPR%2BWages%2BLeague%2BChampionship.jpg

Made the most of it obviously and will have included some promotion bonuses. As will Norwich and Swansea.

His Cardiff promotion included years 3 and 4 of Parachute Payments.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[exAtyeoMax]

Re Warnock, he did say he’ll see if anyone come calling around Feb and he’d be out of retirement like a shot

[Glen hump]

1 minute ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Re Warnock, he did say he’ll see if anyone come calling around Feb and he’d be out of retirement like a shot

He could end up at the gas , wouldn’t surprise me if he ended up there for a season or 2

[BrizzleRed]

1 hour ago, Glen hump said:

He could end up at the gas , wouldn’t surprise me if he ended up there for a season or 2

Christ, imagine that

The jailbird’s already got them believing it’s them against the world …… Colin would take that to another level.

Hate his football, but really hope that doesn’t happen, as he’d probably get the b stards up, as they’re actually geared for that type of shit football.

[Ian M]

Nige confirms it was a club decision, not PA’s

 

 

[Davefevs]

We await the details of the restructure / appointment(s).

Thought Nige dealt with it very well.

[Henry]

interesting that Nigel’s comment contradicted the clubs statement on Sunday.

[BLRed]

I see this simply as more austerity packaged as “exciting changes”. Further cost cutting whilst making those that are left a Jack of all trades rather than having a specialist for their individual role.

 

[petehinton]

Slightly damning on what PA did/didn’t do if they think they can cover off with less people

[RedRoss]

Others won't see it the same but I'm actually quite happy with this. Completely secures Tins and his team to directly deal with the football long term. This is really important to keep continuity with the type of footballers we're recruiting. Where he lacks will be the financial aspect so that will be picked up separately.

 

 

[Red Army 87]

Makes sense, save the salary on a CEO seeing as SL making all the calls anyway

[Northern Red]

17 minutes ago, Henry said:

interesting that Nigel’s comment contradicted the clubs statement on Sunday.

Tbh I think Sunday was just a case of them having to get something, anything, announced ASAP because it had leaked that PA had gone.

[One Team]

I just hope this doesn’t spread Tins too thing and impact his main/day job. We’ve all been there! 

[Kid in the Riot]

Two ways of looking at this:

1) It could empower Tins and Nige further as there's no CEO to answer to

2) Not having a CEO is one less experienced voice at boardroom level and so decision-making in the Lansdown echo chamber will only increase 

[petehinton]

Just now, Kid in the Riot said:

Two ways of looking at this:

1) It could empower Tins and Nige further as there's no CEO to answer to

2) Not having a CEO is one less experienced voice at boardroom level and so decision-making in the Lansdown echo chamber will only increase 

As a gambling man, I’ll stick all my chips on option 2 please barkeep

[GrahamC]

4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Two ways of looking at this:

1) It could empower Tins and Nige further as there's no CEO to answer to

2) Not having a CEO is one less experienced voice at boardroom level and so decision-making in the Lansdown echo chamber will only increase 

Frankly bizarre that an organisation of this size is apparently now being run in this way.

This appears to suggest that all commercial decisions are in the hands of Richard Cromwell, I mean Jon Lansdown, blimey, that’s really great, isn’t it?

[Henry]

12 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Tbh I think Sunday was just a case of them having to get something, anything, announced ASAP because it had leaked that PA had gone.

There’s a big difference between saying PA resigned to NP saying that the club decided to move him on for a restructure.

Shambles as ever

[And Its Smith]

1 minute ago, Henry said:

There’s a big difference between saying PA resigned to NP saying that the club decided to move him on for a restructure.

Shambles as ever

Not really. He did resign. And we have decided on a restructure.  His resignation moved him on.  As said previously on this thread, it’s very common to basically force someone to resign 

[Chivs]

This sounds awful. C-level people don't just take on another C- level job. 

Also, CFOs don't know how businesses work. They understand numbers. Period. I give you Steve Lansdown as an example. 

Imagine making these decisions!!

[Henry]

4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Not really. He did resign. And we have decided on a restructure.  His resignation moved him on.  As said previously on this thread, it’s very common to basically force someone to resign 

If you read the original statement, listen to Nige and think it’s the same message…fair enough.

[chinapig]

But hang on, Luton have a Chief Executive. Are we not copying them any more? Has Steve found a successful club that doesn't have a CEO and decided we should copy them this week? I can't keep up.

[glynriley]

39 minutes ago, Henry said:

interesting that Nigel’s comment contradicted the clubs statement on Sunday.

No mention of Nige from JL then. Don’t reckon his contract is getting renewed any time soon. 
 

****

[IAmNick]

28 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Slightly damning on what PA did/didn’t do if they think they can cover off with less people

Or damning on their perception of what is/isn't important at a (supposedly on an upwards trajectory) football club!

[!james]

Board meetings must be amazing with dictator Lansdown. 

"Everyone agreed? Hang on let's just check with Steve..." 

 

 

[gamon]

Sounds like a healthy structure to me.

Very surprised no othe clubs do this?

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, glynriley said:

No mention of Nige from JL then. Don’t reckon his contract is getting renewed any time soon. 
 

****

Probably reading too much into that. The manager isn’t on the board/exec level (and hasn’t been since TC) - this is an announcement about the level above the manager and mention of Nige wouldn’t be expected.

(Doesn’t mean I don’t agree with the conclusion, but I think there is a lot of people over analysing statements at present and there’s nothing amiss with this one)

[Red Army 75]

That huge boardroom table with 2-3 people sat around it. All nodding at each other. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

No position of CEO in the usual manner, it is...interesting.

It's certainly not common practice as far as I can see.

Is it good Governance? Time will tell but it's certainly different!

Edited September 20, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Selred]

8 minutes ago, glynriley said:

No mention of Nige from JL then. Don’t reckon his contract is getting renewed any time soon. 
 

****

What is the role of Barton? 
Talks of rifts between SL, JL and Nigel, why doesn’t JL just pretend to praise Nigel even if he doesn’t believe it. Really is incredible the disrespect 

[megansdad]

looks to me like more responsibility for Brian and Nige with no one sitting between them and ultimate decision makers.....

[Kid in the Riot]

12 minutes ago, Chivs said:

This sounds awful. C-level people don't just take on another C- level job. 

Also, CFOs don't know how businesses work. They understand numbers. Period. I give you Steve Lansdown as an example. 

Imagine making these decisions!!

And with all due respect to Tom Rawcliffe he's a mid-30s something guy with very limited experience. A couple of years at AFC Wimbledon and a couple at City, and elevated to CFO.

[Davefevs]

27 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Two ways of looking at this:

1) It could empower Tins and Nige further as there's no CEO to answer to

2) Not having a CEO is one less experienced voice at boardroom level and so decision-making in the Lansdown echo chamber will only increase 

Do you see this as:

what’s the point of going through the whole recruitment process, bringing a new person in, and then ownership changes and they might want to move them on immeduately.

Feels like a “holding” restructure whilst the new investment stuff goes on slowly behind the scenes.

Anyone shiver at this:

From Post.

Of course Werhun became COO once his relative Ashton assumed the role of CEO!!!

[One Team]

13 minutes ago, glynriley said:

No mention of Nige from JL then. Don’t reckon his contract is getting renewed any time soon. 
 

****

Nige doing well and finishing in the play offs might not align then!

[W-S-M Seagull]

6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Do you see this as:

what’s the point of going through the whole recruitment process, bringing a new person in, and then ownership changes and they might want to move them on immeduately.

Feels like a “holding” restructure whilst the new investment stuff goes on slowly behind the scenes.

Anyone shiver at this:

From Post.

Of course Werhun became COO once his relative Ashton assumed the role of CEO!!!

It does seem that way. It has to be that way, surely? 

I guess pretty much every club has a CEO so seems bizarre for us to think we can be successful without one. 

Isn't it kind of akin to getting rid of Pearson (or any manager) and allowing the coaches to perform that role, alongside their existing roles, just to save on a managers wages? 

Edited September 20, 2023 by W-S-M Seagull

[GlastonburyRed]

13 minutes ago, One Team said:

Nige doing well and finishing in the play offs might not align then!

What on earth would SL & JL do if we actually reached the promised land at the end of the season?!

[RedRoss]

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Do you see this as:

what’s the point of going through the whole recruitment process, bringing a new person in, and then ownership changes and they might want to move them on immeduately.

Feels like a “holding” restructure whilst the new investment stuff goes on slowly behind the scenes.

Anyone shiver at this:

From Post.

Of course Werhun became COO once his relative Ashton assumed the role of CEO!!!

That would make sense to be fair.

If there is a new establishment on the way, it would be likely they'd want to get their own people in maybe we've just accelerated that in preparation.

[Ian M]

9 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

It does seem that way. It has to be that way, surely? 

I guess pretty much every club has a CEO so seems bizarre for us to think we can be successful without one. 

Isn't it kind of akin to getting rid of Pearson (or any manager) and allowing the coaches to perform that role, alongside their existing roles, just to save on a managers wages? 

In this analogy wouldn't having a COO be akin to having a Head Coach in place of a Manager?

I note that people with better knowledge than me say it costs too much in non-playing staff costs to generate each £. With many of the day to day decisions of a normal football club falling to Bristol Sport (see latest answers to the SC&T meeting with City officials), I'm optimistic that this could actually work for us as a cost cutting measure without seeing much difference off-the-pitch.

[exAtyeoMax]

[Jerseybean]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-confirm-new-leadership-8763071

[Merrick's Marvels]

11 minutes ago, GlastonburyRed said:

What on earth would SL & JL do if we actually reached the promised land at the end of the season?!

An interesting thought.

Which prompts another - perhaps they know they won't be here if we do? 

Because perhaps a sale is closer than we think? 

If not, it's just more of their daftness. 

Who knows? Clear as mud, more questions than answers at the minute.

Edited September 20, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[Magicdaps]

25 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Do you see this as:

what’s the point of going through the whole recruitment process, bringing a new person in, and then ownership changes and they might want to move them on immeduately.

Feels like a “holding” restructure whilst the new investment stuff goes on slowly behind the scenes.

Anyone shiver at this:

From Post.

Of course Werhun became COO once his relative Ashton assumed the role of CEO!!!

Precisely my conclusion.  

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, Ian M said:

In this analogy wouldn't having a COO be akin to having a Head Coach in place of a Manager?

I note that people with better knowledge than me say it costs too much in non-playing staff costs to generate each £. With many of the day to day decisions of a normal football club falling to Bristol Sport (see latest answers to the SC&T meeting with City officials), I'm optimistic that this could actually work for us as a cost cutting measure without seeing much difference off-the-pitch.

The big question for me, is if PA was brought in for his commercial sales ability, where does a Finance Officer fit into filling that “capability” gap?

Or are we just paying lip-service to the commercial side, because if we don’t grow that, we have to cut costs elsewhere…and recently it’s been the football side that has made those cuts.

I’d like an explanation.  I won’t get one.  I won’t lose any sleep over it either.

But it further fuels my view that PA was undermined and that’s why he was “asked” to resign. All imho.

[eardun]

It seems to me (based on what Pearson said last night and the statement today) that the club has simply realised that they don’t need an expensive CEO in the building - that big role isn’t needed any more seeing how Tinnion’s role has developed. Why pay for a senior, big hitting CEO when one isn’t needed? 

[Hxj]

My view is that everyone is in danger of running down lots of rabbit holes with this one.

Personally, following the 'Bristol Sport' reorganisation that took place earlier this year, it doesn't make sense to have a Football CEO and a Group CEO.

The actual operations of the football club are relatively straightforward as are the finances.

Football side director, everything else director, and NP keeping himself far away from anything but his day job - perfect.

[RedRock]

A bit baffled, as it’s pretty clear we need more business experience at the top, not less. Think it is also highly desirable to have a ‘buffer’ between the football/business side and the ownership, a function that the CEO performs. Can’t imagine that Steve would want to devote more time to the Club as this new structure would seem to demand. 

Can only speculate, as others have done, that someone is very close to taking control of the Club. 
 

Got to say that Nige is being very diplomatic and compliant over the last few weeks. Impressive from someone who has demonstrated short fuse behaviour in the past. Hats off to him.

Hopefully, those at the top of this new structure will quickly adopt a new communications strategy, as well as encouraging Nige to sign a new contract. 

[BrizzleRed]

Although SL has clearly slammed the wallet shut in a big way, it would be penny pinching on an extreme scale to do this to just save the CEO's salary.  

If you were looking for any signs that a sale of the club is is in the pipeline, surely this has to be one with big, flashing lights on it?!!

[Merrick's Marvels]

5 minutes ago, eardun said:

It seems to me (based on what Pearson said last night and the statement today) that the club has simply realised that they don’t need an expensive CEO in the building - that big role isn’t needed any more seeing how Tinnion’s role has developed. Why pay for a senior, big hitting CEO when one isn’t needed? 

I'd go further.

I'd suggest we don’t need a chairman either - seeing as he does sweet f.a. 

Let's lose his salary too. 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

3 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

I'd go further.

I'd suggest we don’t need a chairman either - seeing as he does sweet f.a. 

Let's lose his salary too. 

But we need a chair man. Someone to put them out before the meeting starts and then stack them away after it's finished. A job that JL is perfect for. 

Edited September 20, 2023 by RoystonFoote'snephew
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[chinapig]

14 minutes ago, Hxj said:

My view is that everyone is in danger of running down lots of rabbit holes with this one.

Personally, following the 'Bristol Sport' reorganisation that took place earlier this year, it doesn't make sense to have a Football CEO and a Group CEO.

The actual operations of the football club are relatively straightforward as are the finances.

Football side director, everything else director, and NP keeping himself far away from anything but his day job - perfect.

I'm inclined to agree but I'd still like to see one or two truly independent non executive directors free to challenge the executives.

[ScottishRed]

This is strange to me.

As someone who works in an industry that has lots of changes of ownership, my experience over many years, is that if someone buys the business the existing CEO stays in place for a period of time to aid with the transition then departs.

Of course if new ownership is imminent maybe after meeting with PA they decided they did not want him around or, he did not want to be around.

Doesn't smack of cost saving as PA probably had a significant notice period that would have to be paid.

Aside from all of that I am concerned that our chairman mentions Tinnion but no mention of Nige, I can’t help but think they want him gone and the first opportunity they get that will happen.

I suspect on one level that won’t bother Nige too much and he will rather enjoy not providing them with the opportunity.

The owner is playing with fire here in my opinion.

[Kingswood Robin]

7 minutes ago, chinapig said:

I'm inclined to agree but I'd still like to see one or two truly independent non executive directors free to challenge the executives.

Agreed.

Maybe that's what he did, and why he's now looking for alternative employment

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said:

That huge boardroom table with 2-3 people sat around it. All nodding at each other. 

Whilst they each stuff their faces with a sh1t ton of chocolate hobnobs.

[exAtyeoMax]

1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said:

That huge boardroom table with 2-3 people sat around it. All nodding at each other. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

37 minutes ago, eardun said:

It seems to me (based on what Pearson said last night and the statement today) that the club has simply realised that they don’t need an expensive CEO in the building - that big role isn’t needed any more seeing how Tinnion’s role has developed. Why pay for a senior, big hitting CEO when one isn’t needed? 

Why do other clubs all around the world have a CEO plus a technical director/dof yet we have decided we don't need one? Tins job revoles around talent identification and player recruitment. 

A good CEO pays for its salary, just like Gould did with the cost cutting he overseen.