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Under the lights for our latest derby match.

Their club crest features the Mayflower the ship that carried the pilgrims to Massachusetts. The club has predominantly played in green and white throughout their history, with a few exceptions in the late 1960s and early 1970s when white was the colour of choice. A darker shade of green, described (by some) as Argyle green, was adopted in the 2001–02 season, and has been used ever since. They are the most southerly and westerly League club in England and the only professional club named Argyle.

Argyle fans are often referred to as "Janners", the unofficial nickname used to describe residents of Plymouth. Those traveling from Home Park will have a 240 mile round trip.

In July they added Manchester City academy coach Peter Cavanagh as a first-team coach. The 41-year-old, who has coached at the academies of both Everton and Liverpool, played more than 300 games across the EFL and National League.

At the start of the season their manager Steven Schumacher had this to say: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66403708

At the end of June Aston Villa's England Under-20 wing-back Kaine Kesler-Hayden joined them on a season-long loan.

They also added defender Lewis Gibson following his departure from Everton. The 22-year-old began his career in Newcastle's academy before joining the Toffees aged 17, although he did not make a first-team appearance for them. The centre-back has had spells on loan at Fleetwood, Reading and Sheffield Wednesday, and spent last season on loan at Bristol Rovers.

They signed Northern Ireland goalkeeper Conor Hazard from Celtic for an undisclosed fee.

They equalled the club's record transfer fee to sign Norwich City wing-back Bali Mumba. He agreed a four-year deal, with the Pilgrims reportedly set to pay more than £1m.

Aston Villa midfielder Finn Azaz re-joined on loan. The 22-year-old, who spent all of last season at Home Park as the Pilgrims won the League One title, agreed another season-long deal.

In early August they signed midfielder Luke Cundle on a season-long loan from Wolves. The 21-year-old made seven appearances for the Premier League side, including two top-flight starts in the 2021-22 campaign.

On deadline day they added Sierra Leone striker Mustapha Bundu from Belgian side Anderlecht. The 26-year-old, who has won 14 caps for his country, signed a two-year deal with the Pilgrims.

The Pilgrims have lost four of their last five games, in all competitions, including a 2-1 defeat to Preston last weekend. Plymouth Argyle manager Steven Schumacher said this afterwards "I felt our performance probably didn't deserve to lose the game, but we have come away from home again, played really well, caused the top-of-the-table team loads of problems and found ourselves coming away with nothing. I'm really disappointed, but I'm also proud and pleased at the players' performance because we were brave today. Even after going 1-0 down we were brave to keep playing and we were more than a game for them today."

The stats suggest that Argyle had plenty of the game, with 67% possession, 17 shots (7 on target) and 14 corners.

They currently occupy 13th place with seven points.

Head-to-head record

Won: 26

Lost: 23

Drawn: 13

We recorded a 3-1 win in our last league game against them in October 2009 at Ashton Gate.

Yannick Bolasie played for both clubs, as well as Barnet, Crystal Palace, Everton and Aston Villa. In 2018 Zak Vyner had a loan spell with them where he featured 17 times.

Others who have represented both clubs include Kieran Agard, Paul Anderson, Ian Baird, Tyreeq Bakinson, Andre Blackman, Joe Bryan, Arnold Garita, Rene Gilmartin, Joe Lennox, Guy Madjo, Sean McCarthy, Alan Miller, Kevin Nugent, Karleigh Osborne, Scott Partridge, Bobby Reid, Gary Sawyer, Steven Sessegnon, Enoch Showunmi, Phil Starbuck, Ryan Taylor,  Trevor Jacobs, Keith Fear, Forbes Phillipson-Masters and Robbie Turner.

Officials

Referee: Matthew Donohue. So far this season he has issued 29 yellow cards in five games. Assistants: Andrew Fox and Greg Read Fourth Official: Andy Davies.

The game is on the red button.

 

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Be interesting to see who NP might rest with big game Saturday. Can see Roberts for Pring, Cornick for Wells, and Bell rested not sure who for. Felt Wells although good game against WBA looked slow on the turn and a bit just not his normal self. Would like to see more of Roberts he adds an interesting attack dimension. And I do feel Cornick down the middle although not pretty is a bloody awkward player to mark and adds something. Although I am not totally convinced by him yet. And I do feel squad rotation and rest within the squad is essential over the season.  Hoping for a first home win. As I lived in Plymouth for bit years back I do love to see us roll them Janners over.

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I just want us to see ‘pop ‘ on the OTIB match thread at the end.

We should have enough to beat them if we are ‘on it’ . If we have any aspirations of top six then we need to be beating a side who will most probably go straight back down. 
 

5 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

I thought they hated the gas like us, , 

No, everyone loves the Gas don’t you know ? 

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It's a bigger game for Plymouth than it is for us. They only have Exeter in close proximity whereas we have Rovers, Cardiff, Swindon, Swansea all much closer and them matches are much more meaningful than Plymouth will be.

The only time they have recently become very relevant to us in my time supporting City was in 2004 - late noughties imo when they got promoted to the Championship. 

I am glad they are back up here anyway as they create an atmosphere and they have a character to their club. I still prefer Exeter & Torquay though.

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1 hour ago, Jerseybean said:

Under the lights for our latest derby match.

Their club crest features the Mayflower the ship that carried the pilgrims to Massachusetts. The club has predominantly played in green and white throughout their history, with a few exceptions in the late 1960s and early 1970s when white was the colour of choice. A darker shade of green, described (by some) as Argyle green, was adopted in the 2001–02 season, and has been used ever since. They are the most southerly and westerly League club in England and the only professional club named Argyle.

Argyle fans are often referred to as "Janners", the unofficial nickname used to describe residents of Plymouth. Those traveling from Home Park will have a 240 mile round trip.

In July they added Manchester City academy coach Peter Cavanagh as a first-team coach. The 41-year-old, who has coached at the academies of both Everton and Liverpool, played more than 300 games across the EFL and National League.

At the start of the season their manager Steven Schumacher had this to say: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66403708

At the end of June Aston Villa's England Under-20 wing-back Kaine Kesler-Hayden joined them on a season-long loan.

They also added defender Lewis Gibson following his departure from Everton. The 22-year-old began his career in Newcastle's academy before joining the Toffees aged 17, although he did not make a first-team appearance for them. The centre-back has had spells on loan at Fleetwood, Reading and Sheffield Wednesday, and spent last season on loan at Bristol Rovers.

They signed Northern Ireland goalkeeper Conor Hazard from Celtic for an undisclosed fee.

They equalled the club's record transfer fee to sign Norwich City wing-back Bali Mumba. He agreed a four-year deal, with the Pilgrims reportedly set to pay more than £1m.

Aston Villa midfielder Finn Azaz re-joined on loan. The 22-year-old, who spent all of last season at Home Park as the Pilgrims won the League One title, agreed another season-long deal.

In early August they signed midfielder Luke Cundle on a season-long loan from Wolves. The 21-year-old made seven appearances for the Premier League side, including two top-flight starts in the 2021-22 campaign.

On deadline day they added Sierra Leone striker Mustapha Bundu from Belgian side Anderlecht. The 26-year-old, who has won 14 caps for his country, signed a two-year deal with the Pilgrims.

The Pilgrims have lost four of their last five games, in all competitions, including a 2-1 defeat to Preston last weekend. Plymouth Argyle manager Steven Schumacher said this afterwards "I felt our performance probably didn't deserve to lose the game, but we have come away from home again, played really well, caused the top-of-the-table team loads of problems and found ourselves coming away with nothing. I'm really disappointed, but I'm also proud and pleased at the players' performance because we were brave today. Even after going 1-0 down we were brave to keep playing and we were more than a game for them today."

The stats suggest that Argyle had plenty of the game, with 67% possession, 17 shots (7 on target) and 14 corners.

They currently occupy 13th place with seven points.

Head-to-head record

Won: 26

Lost: 23

Drawn: 13

We recorded a 3-1 win in our last league game against them in October 2009 at Ashton Gate.

Yannick Bolasie played for both clubs, as well as Barnet, Crystal Palace, Everton and Aston Villa. In 2018 Zak Vyner had a loan spell with them where he featured 17 times.

Others who have represented both clubs include Kieran Agard, Paul Anderson, Ian Baird, Tyreeq Bakinson, Andre Blackman, Joe Bryan, Arnold Garita, Rene Gilmartin, Joe Lennox, Guy Madjo, Sean McCarthy, Alan Miller, Kevin Nugent, Karleigh Osborne, Scott Partridge, Bobby Reid, Gary Sawyer, Steven Sessegnon, Enoch Showunmi, Phil Starbuck, Ryan Taylor,  Trevor Jacobs, Keith Fear, Forbes Phillipson-Masters and Robbie Turner.

Officials

Referee: Matthew Donohue. So far this season he has issued 29 yellow cards in five games. Assistants: Andrew Fox and Greg Read Fourth Official: Andy Davies.

The game is on the red button.

 

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Fun facts: 

Janner was originally an 18th and early 19th century seafarer's term of contempt for non-nautical people who lived in ports (literally "Johns"). In other places this has died out, but with Plymouth stuck in the past it's still used there and adopted as a badge of pride.

Although the club nickname themselves "the Pilgrims" no Pilgrim, or any other passenger on the Mayflower, came from Plymouth. One, Francis Eaton, did come from Bristol however. 

 

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8 minutes ago, weepywall said:

They took nearly 3000 to Preston on Saturday that's very  impressive considering the distance.

They always have had fantastic away support considering the distance they have to travel, the novelty will probably die away a bit next season but will still match if not better ours

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Should be another 22k tickets sold, the away support so far has been excellent in terms of numbers.

Hopefully a good atmosphere under the lights and hopefully three points.

They've played three away, drawn one (Watford 0-0) and lost two (Birmingham 1-2, PNE 1-2) and scored in every game bar Watford (9 for 7 against).

Can't see this being a 0-0 (but I said that re WBA).

Wouldn't be surprised if its a desmond, but hoping for a 2-1 win.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Fun facts: 

Janner was originally an 18th and early 19th century seafarer's term of contempt for non-nautical people who lived in ports (literally "Johns"). In other places this has died out, but with Plymouth stuck in the past it's still used there and adopted as a badge of pride.

Although the club nickname themselves "the Pilgrims" no Pilgrim, or any other passenger on the Mayflower, came from Plymouth. One, Francis Eaton, did come from Bristol however. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/chrischarles/2009/08/review_of_the_week_33.html

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5 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

Might just be me. But South West derby. Not for me, there is a 120 mile gap. Birmingham is closer 

But should be a good game. Good following for Argyle 

Birmingham is not in the south west though.

Derby refers not just to local rivals but geographical area. 

They’re no bigger rivals to us than Birmingham though. IMO

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3 hours ago, Super said:

Should be a good atmosphere anyway. Nonsense anyone that calls it a derby game.

Both West Country teams, albeit the distance from Bristol to Plymouth is practically the same as Bristol to Millwall! 

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Tight at the back and toothless up front....now that's a contradiction. ?

Our lack of goals is so boring, of course grateful for the clean sheets but we seem to be lacking the skill set to score, but when you look at the training vids it all seems so easy....this is not the City we are accustomed too. 

I am therefore going 4-1.

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17 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Both West Country teams, albeit the distance from Bristol to Plymouth is practically the same as Bristol to Millwall! 

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Exactly.  Championship clubs that are closer than Plymouth: Cardiff, Swansea, WBA, Brum, Southampton, Coventry, QPR and as you say at a push Millwall and possibly Watford.

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Be aware the A369 may be closed tomorrow night from 7 pm, the X4 from Portishead has been rerouted over the Avonmouth bridge and along the Portway and dropping off at Hotwells I'm assuming cars will not be able to travel along the A369 either after 7 pm. if you know different please let me know.

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3 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Wasn't there another striker from Plymouth that we were always linked with every close-season? Pretty sure by the time we eventually signed him he was over the hill & rubbish. 

Sean McCarthy. John Ward picked him ahead of Jason Roberts after the latter had scored in a win at Oldham. The rest is history.

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3 hours ago, weepywall said:

They took nearly 3000 to Preston on Saturday that's very  impressive considering the distance.

Bit of a grudge match 

1 hour ago, FForbes said:

At least we don't have to worry about Tommy Tynan !!!

A name I'll never forget, he scored against us for Argyle at my first City game

Just a reminder that there are NO trains tomorrow 

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9 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Was he the chap that scored a hattrick in a 4-3 win on a Tuesday night in the 1980s? I've been trying to get the name without looking it.

Boxing Day 1984 (Wednesday) City 4 (Hutchinson 2, Walsh 2) Plymouth 3 (Tommy Tynan 3)

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3 hours ago, Hartleysbeard said:

Surprised we still have quite a few tickets remaining given the member offer. Hopefully majority of season ticket holders actually attend this one - the empty seats in the supposedly sold out South stand are frustrating. 

 

3 hours ago, underhanded said:

Frustrating. Basically all member offer tickets sold out now. A group of 3 of us wanting to go, but all individual seats left in the Dolman. We'd have to cough up nearly couble to sit one block further into the Dolman. We'll probably skip it to be honest

This is why the club should do something to try and free up seats that aren’t going to be used for whatever reason, in the south stand it’s usually because the seats belong to children that rarely go.

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4 hours ago, underhanded said:

Frustrating. Basically all member offer tickets sold out now. A group of 3 of us wanting to go, but all individual seats left in the Dolman. We'd have to cough up nearly couble to sit one block further into the Dolman. We'll probably skip it to be honest

You could get the individual seats, then wait until kickoff and look for 3 together.
It wont sell out and there will be loads around.

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25 minutes ago, ollywhyte said:

Our Twitter posted 21k tickets sold, is that overall or just home end? Only appears to be 2.5k tickets left on the site 

21k + 3.5k away = 24.5k attendance?

The maths does adds up to leave the 2.5k remaining, but can’t see the attendance being that much?

Around 22k I reckon.

Maintains the 22k + average attendance (or tickets sold for the pedants).

 

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12 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

Expect they do, but we certainly have had a bit of history with Plymouth. Especially in the 90’s. Drinking in a pub called the Cherry Tree ( I think) Chaos down there. We drew 0-0

Yes,as I said earlier, I lived down there for for for few years and they do not like us at all . The Cherry  tree not a sensible away pub at all. Mind saw one or two good gigs in the Cherry tree in my time down there.

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9 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Yes,as I said earlier, I lived down there for for for few years and they do not like us at all . The Cherry  tree not a sensible away pub at all. Mind saw one or two good gigs in the Cherry tree in my time down there.

City usually lively down there around the park / cherry tree area that’s why they don’t like us 

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6 hours ago, pillred said:

Be aware the A369 may be closed tomorrow night from 7 pm, the X4 from Portishead has been rerouted over the Avonmouth bridge and along the Portway and dropping off at Hotwells I'm assuming cars will not be able to travel along the A369 either after 7 pm. if you know different please let me know.

Thanks for the heads up. Done a little bit of digging as I use this road for games. Says online expect road closures however its open tonight. The only road closed tonight is beggar bush lane. Temporary traffic lights on Abbots Leigh road. So might be ok tomorrow. Maybe they’ve just rerouted the bus to avoid delays. 

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17 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I am sure I read 3.4k somewhere else too and their official site didn't seem to specify exact numbers. 

Yes it is a bit confusing as they don’t give exact numbers.

This was from the official site today.

It says nearly 3000 at Preston and just over 3000 tomorrow making NEARLY 6000

https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/bristol-city-schumachers-preview

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2 hours ago, Red_30 said:

Thanks for the heads up. Done a little bit of digging as I use this road for games. Says online expect road closures however its open tonight. The only road closed tonight is beggar bush lane. Temporary traffic lights on Abbots Leigh road. So might be ok tomorrow. Maybe they’ve just rerouted the bus to avoid delays. 

I have done a bit of digging the road IS closed tomorrow from 8 pm to 6 am till the 29th of September the X4 has had to be rerouted so be careful I would go down the A370 if you can. Of course, try the A369 if you want, but I can't see why the X4 has been diverted for 11 nights from the 18th till the 29th.

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4 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

Yes it is a bit confusing as they don’t give exact numbers.

This was from the official site today.

It says nearly 3000 at Preston and just over 3000 tomorrow making NEARLY 6000

https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/bristol-city-schumachers-preview

They tweeted (or x'd? not sure what you call it these days) on friday the 3400 figure.

https://x.com/Argyle/status/1702779844042330454?s=20

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