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1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

A 2-1 defeat against a team just down from prem and more than likely heading back up and going down fighting is all we can ask,how this team has moved on from 3-4 years ago with little money spent in those years 

We've got quite a likeable team at the moment, Pearson has done well. 

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We should be able to give any team in our division a game. That's why we are in the same division. There's progress from where we were 2/3 years ago when we probably would have rolled over and lost 3-0 but ultimately - 0 points. 
Proud is a bit much. 

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6 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Why are we proud? We never win these type of games or get a draw when other clubs do. Look at Ipswich……sorry but treading water again with the worst keeper we’ve had in 20 years plus. 

I'm jealous that you missed the point when Elliott Parish was our first choice keeper

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We surely don’t need to feel ashamed or too downbeat about this result, but proud? Really? It was a game we probably all expected to battle hard in and ultimately lose and that’s exactly what happened. I’m pretty much just going through the motions right now.

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10 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Why are we proud? We never win these type of games or get a draw when other clubs do. Look at Ipswich……sorry but treading water again with the worst keeper we’ve had in 20 years plus. 

Honestly why do you bother watching? You're relentlessly negative, maybe if you did something else with your Saturday afternoons you might enjoy it more.

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13 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

A 2-1 defeat against a team just down from prem and more than likely heading back up and going down fighting is all we can ask,how this team has moved on from 3-4 years ago with little money spent in those years 

And here lies the problem with some fans mentality 

Everyone loves a trier . Proper losers mentality 

Meanwhile look at Ipswich of you want to talk about being proud….

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5 minutes ago, Wanderingred said:

We surely don’t need to feel ashamed or too downbeat about this result, but proud? Really? It was a game we probably all expected to battle hard in and ultimately lose and that’s exactly what happened. I’m pretty much just going through the motions right now.

In all my years I’ve seen us go to places expecting to get beat and we have without even a whimper,doesn’t happen these days 

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3 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

And here lies the problem with some fans mentality 

Everyone loves a trier . Proper losers mentality 

Meanwhile look at Ipswich of you want to talk about being proud….

What the Ipswich who have been languishing for years,11 games in and you are waxing lyrical,give it a rest will you 

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4 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

What the Ipswich who have been languishing for years,11 games in and you are waxing lyrical,give it a rest will you 

Mark Ashton like him or not has done a brilliant job. Their fans love him. Maybe Mark wasn’t the issue, again owner and Johnson spring to mind! 

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Am fairly proud, maybe bot today in isolation but 2 seasons ago we shipped 6 at Fulham in a side with Semenyo and Scott, we went to Nottingham Forest and had barely a shot in anger..

We went to Coventry and lost when ahead and twice ahead vs a side with 10 men! We scraped well maybe not scraped but battled to a win vs an average Stoke side who hit the woodwork 3 times..performance was majorly mismatched vs result. (We also had some good games granted).

We now have a very thin squad, injuries are biting but we look a cohesive and compact side with done pleasing football at times.

What with the Wells injury our outfield players are as follows:

Dickie, Pring, Roberts

James, Naismith, Knight, Williams, Gardner-Hickman, King

Cornick, Sykes

Bell, Mehmeti

Conway, Weimann

Yeah I know versatility etc but it is very thin.

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1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

What the Ipswich who have been languishing for years,11 games in and you are waxing lyrical,give it a rest will you 

Wonder what Derby fans are thinking? Bigger club than us, in League One & couldn’t even beat Cheltenham today.

Sheffield Wednesday too, also bigger, got as many points all season as we got at Rotherham in midweek.

This Ipswich stuff is pretty selective, absolutely no mention of those sides who are bigger than us & doing far worse.

On a similar vein I expect we won’t hear so much about Plymouth overtaking us after their 7th defeat in 10..

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Proud? Really?! We’ve just lost to a team in the same league?! The lack of creativity in the midfield is painful. Never fault the effort but to say I feel proud after that? No more than usual. 
 

Anytime we play a team with quality it seems people just write it off before we even kick a ball. 

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7 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

What the Ipswich who have been languishing for years,11 games in and you are waxing lyrical,give it a rest will you 

Yet here you are ….’proud’ and waxing lyrical of a 2-1 defeat whilst we sit in 14th 

 

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9 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

It’s their manager that deserves the credit. He’s going to the top and I said that before this season started 

Heard it all before. Many bright young managers have been flavour of the month and yet are now in obscurity.

Coyle at Bolton had a sharp rise. Gone. Di Matteo had a nice path, even won a CL gone. Let's see bow it goes when injuries bite there, let's see how an inevitable loss to Leicester impacts upon their wider form.

Tough mid season mid winter away games to (not checked fixtures) sides like WBA, Birmingham, Stoke, Cardiff..Northern or Midlands clubs. The rain, the heavier pitches.

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4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Pete, you’re about the same level as me. Please sum up in 2 sentences how we played. Thank you in advance. 

Brilliant game overall. Battled well, but their quality shone through in the end. Two poor goals conceded but they could’ve scored outside of those chances anyway. Would’ve been very fortunate to have got a point. 

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Just now, petehinton said:

Brilliant game overall. Battled well, but their quality shone through in the end. Two poor goals conceded but they could’ve scored outside of those chances anyway. Would’ve been very fortunate to have got a point. 

Just on train home with Leeds fan I know - said we were best team they’ve played this Swanson. Impressed with O’Leary

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9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Heard it all before. Many bright young managers have been flavour of the month and yet are now in obscurity.

Coyle at Bolton had a sharp rise. Gone. Di Matteo had a nice path, even won a CL gone. Let's see bow it goes when injuries bite there, let's see how an inevitable loss to Leicester impacts upon their wider form.

Tough mid season mid winter away games to (not checked fixtures) sides like WBA, Birmingham, Stoke, Cardiff..Northern or Midlands clubs. The rain, the heavier pitches.

He certainly has to continue doing it as won’t get a top job over just what he’s done before but no doubt in my mind he will be a top manager one day. Extremely early in his career 

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1 minute ago, And Its Smith said:

He certainly has to continue doing it as won’t get a top job over just what he’s done before but no doubt in my mind he will be a top manager one day. Extremely early in his career 

He has made a top notch start, but has yet IMO to have faced adversity. A bit like Carrick last year, into this- he is starting to turn it around..game changing decision went in their favour.

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I thought we looked good at times but need to work on our decision making at both ends. We were competitive against a team with some very decent attacking talent but didn’t quite do enough to threaten a second and made some choices defensively which made our lives harder. But we stayed in the game whilst showing why we may not quite be ready to challenge for the top six.

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3 minutes ago, BCFC31 said:

Why an earth would we want a " likable " team this isn't a personality contest....

This might surprise you but I don't know any of the players personally. Obviously I meant the way they play, the effort they put in etc...

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1 hour ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Why are we proud? We never win these type of games or get a draw when other clubs do. Look at Ipswich……sorry but treading water again with the worst keeper we’ve had in 20 years plus. 

How's your guide dog bearing up?

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Just now, DaveF said:

This might surprise you but I don't know any of the players personally. Obviously I meant the way they play, the effort they put in etc...

We are what we are workmanlike but lack the quality,  physicality and craft of alot of the other teams in this division mainly due to parachute payments, lack of funding and not being as big a pull as alot of other clubs In the leauge. We can produce and sell which is all well and good but that investment needs to be put in for a more ready made remedies sprinkled with some home grown talent personally I feel either we need a football man on the board or lansdown needs to sell the club to someone who can get us going on the pitch.

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1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

A 2-1 defeat against a team just down from prem and more than likely heading back up and going down fighting is all we can ask,how this team has moved on from 3-4 years ago with little money spent in those years 

How easily pleased are you!

If you listened to Naismith interview on Rad Bris you may change your attitude, as does our club

He wasn't happy and neither should we be

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17 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Mark Ashton like him or not has done a brilliant job. Their fans love him. Maybe Mark wasn’t the issue, again owner and Johnson spring to mind! 

All three were cumulatively responsible.

Ultimately - leads back to the owner.

As for comparing us with Ipswich, it's a similar situation to Luton. 

Let's wait and see Ipswich's accounts for this season. They lost £12m in 21/22 in League 1 with overall wage costs of £16.4m. God forbid what that'll be this season (and last) with barely any real material outgoings (11 in, 6 out; with over £4m net spent in fees)

McKenna is carrying that team - big time. They struck gold.

What'll be interesting is what happens when he gets poached, and future FFP if they miss out on promotion. I'd estimate 22/23 wages of £18m (up from £16.4m) and this season wages, with the (quite) expensive loans of Hutchinson, Scarlett, Williams, adding Taunzebe on a free? - with promotions clauses they're probably looking at around £24m per annum - wouldn't shock me.

It's same as when MA was with us - spiraling costs are fine as long as there is progress on the pitch, and people turn a blind eye until things go wrong. The key difference is that Ipswich have McKenna who has an all out attack style and he sticks to it.

Whereas we had a former player who was friends with the owner and thought he was Jose's better reincarnation.

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10 minutes ago, frenchred said:

How easily pleased are you!

If you listened to Naismith interview on Rad Bris you may change your attitude, as does our club

He wasn't happy and neither should we be

No one’s said they are ‘happy’ have they? 

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10 minutes ago, Fuber said:

All three were cumulatively responsible.

Ultimately - leads back to the owner.

As for comparing us with Ipswich, it's a similar situation to Luton. 

Let's wait and see Ipswich's accounts for this season. They lost £12m in 21/22 in League 1 with overall wage costs of £16.4m. God forbid what that'll be this season (and last) with barely any real material outgoings (11 in, 6 out; with over £4m net spent in fees)

McKenna is carrying that team - big time. They struck gold.

What'll be interesting is what happens when he gets poached, and future FFP if they miss out on promotion. I'd estimate 22/23 wages of £18m (up from £16.4m) and this season wages, with the (quite) expensive loans of Hutchinson, Scarlett, Williams, adding Taunzebe on a free? - with promotions clauses they're probably looking at around £24m per annum - wouldn't shock me.

It's same as when MA was with us - spiraling costs are fine as long as there is progress on the pitch, and people turn a blind eye until things go wrong. The key difference is that Ipswich have McKenna who has an all out attack style and he sticks to it.

Whereas we had a former player who was friends with the owner and thought he was Jose's better reincarnation.

On the flipside though, if they go up..just McKenna or? Gamble paid off in spades then.

Yet to see them being truly tested with a string of tough away games in the North and Midlands in mid winter, multiple injuries etc.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

On the flipside though, if they go up..just McKenna or? Gamble paid off in spades then.

Yet to see them being truly tested with a string of tough away games in the North and Midlands in mid winter, multiple injuries etc.

Luck is part of the game. Could go against them or...

Happened to others (Hudds etc).

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2 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

A 2-1 defeat against a team just down from prem and more than likely heading back up and going down fighting is all we can ask,how this team has moved on from 3-4 years ago with little money spent in those years 

Last year we would have got beat 4- 0 at Leicester and 4-1 at Leeds.

We have improved year on year under Nige.

2 decent windows an say 4/5 decent players in on top of this squad and we will  be top 6.

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3 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

A 2-1 defeat against a team just down from prem and more than likely heading back up and going down fighting is all we can ask,how this team has moved on from 3-4 years ago with little money spent in those years 

 

3 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Why are we proud? We never win these type of games or get a draw when other clubs do. Look at Ipswich……sorry but treading water again with the worst keeper we’ve had in 20 years plus. 

The initial two posts on this thread sum up our current situation for me. Some are happy to maintain the status quo. Others demand that we exceed it. 

Having had a bit of time to reflect on the game today, I maintain that we were beaten by a far better team and we were simply not at their level (or that of Leicester). 

However, we certainly should be aspiring to be at that level - and that will require consistently better quality of first team players. Those that we have currently simply are not at the level needed for a sustained top 6 push, and that's very disappointing in all honesty.

I rate Pearson and I also rate Tinnion in his back room role. But when Pearson comes out in the media and says that we would only bring in players who are better than those already here, and then you see the performance levels of some of those who have been brought in under NP... it doesn't add up.

If we are serious about going up, the 22(?) man squad we currently have isn't good enough and there is still plenty of (dare I say) dead wood to clear out. 

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57 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Last year we would have got beat 4- 0 at Leicester and 4-1 at Leeds.

We have improved year on year under Nige.

2 decent windows an say 4/5 decent players in on top of this squad and we will  be top 6.

We’ve been saying “2 decent transfer windows” since 2016 

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2 hours ago, BCFC31 said:

We are what we are workmanlike but lack the quality,  physicality and craft of alot of the other teams in this division mainly due to parachute payments, lack of funding and not being as big a pull as alot of other clubs In the leauge. We can produce and sell which is all well and good but that investment needs to be put in for a more ready made remedies sprinkled with some home grown talent personally I feel either we need a football man on the board or lansdown needs to sell the club to someone who can get us going on the pitch.

That is exactly what we are. We'd work really hard to press and harry, close the ball done, win it back and then put a 5 yard pass just out of reach of an attacker and have to do it all again.

We seem to have sacrificed attacking prowess for defensive stability. Every attack we have we seem to be heavily outnumbered and it's such hard work to get into a position for a good shot so we rarely get shots on target (only 2 today I think) whereas if you look at Leeds today, they often had 5/6 players pushing forward.

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After a quarter of the season I think we are pretty much where we will end up, mid-table.....again.

We are the perfect example of a championship team. Can raise our game and play really well one game then play crap the next. Inconsistency is typical of this division and is the only thing you can honestly say we excel at.

No doubt there will be good days to keep us going but SL has basically ensured where we will end up by refusing to sanction any more signings.

It is hard to get excited about a season where you know we aren't gonna trouble the top six.

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2 minutes ago, grifty said:

That is exactly what we are. We'd work really hard to press and harry, close the ball done, win it back and then put a 5 yard pass just out of reach of an attacker and have to do it all again.

We seem to have sacrificed attacking prowess for defensive stability. Every attack we have we seem to be heavily outnumbered and it's such hard work to get into a position for a good shot so we rarely get shots on target (only 2 today I think) whereas if you look at Leeds today, they often had 5/6 players pushing forward.

Your first point I've bolded - absolutely spot on.

R.e. defensive stability - you say that, and yet we are prone to moments of utter madness/brainlessness  in defence. Naismith and Tanner both guilty of this in recent matches. I mentioned last weekend that I had never thought I would say it (based on how he was playing when he first broke into the team), but we really do miss Vyner. 

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4 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

After a quarter of the season I think we are pretty much where we will end up, mid-table.....again.

We are the perfect example of a championship team. Can raise our game and play really well one game then play crap the next. Inconsistency is typical of this division and is the only thing you can honestly say we excel at.

No doubt there will be good days to keep us going but SL has basically ensured where we will end up by refusing to sanction any more signings.

It is hard to get excited about a season where you know we aren't gonna trouble the top six.

This nicely summarises my thoughts. We are a well enough run club to ensure a mid table finish on a consistent basis. But I really struggle to see how we’ll ever make that next step. Requires either a change of approach, change of ownership or a great big dollop of luck. 

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3 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Mark Ashton like him or not has done a brilliant job. Their fans love him. Maybe Mark wasn’t the issue, again owner and Johnson spring to mind! 

Either Johnson signed off on signings and Ashton did the deals, or Ashton also brought in targets along side ones that Johnson wanted. 
Lansdown backed the pair of them by paying, really can't see how SL is in any way to blame for any thing in this particular case.
Maybe by letting finances get away, but that would be CEO territory too ?
So he's guilty of being too supportive and backing them too much?

 

I don't know he set up at Ipswich, maybe they have a DoF ( Gary Probert ) that links with recruitment and Manager. That would leave Ashton to do CEO things and stay away from the football side. 

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1 hour ago, Better Red said:

Last year we would have got beat 4- 0 at Leicester and 4-1 at Leeds.

We have improved year on year under Nige.

2 decent windows an say 4/5 decent players in on top of this squad and we will  be top 6.

We keep saying this, but we also keep selling our best players. 

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