Pearson Post Match

[Bristol Rob]

11 minutes ago, Henry said:

**** @Mkelly too then. He’s long gone from being a personable Ashton Gate employee to a Lansdown bitch focussing on Guernsey/Botswana. Look at his new job title. 

Bit harsh.

Mark clearly cares, but his priorities are likely different to us, and if he is also under pressure to reduce costs, increase profitability and all that, it probably takes its toll after a while. 

Maybe replying to Fevs wasn't the best idea, but it was late, and given how widely it has been shared, not much value in deleting it or justifying it now.

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, Top Robin said:

Mate, he can't even direct proceedings from the technical area let alone take a training session - that to me says he can't do the job properly at this point.

Amazing that despite this we won yesterday against a side that made the playoff final last season, then.

What a complete clown you are, as usual absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

[Superjack]

7 minutes ago, GlastonburyRed said:

I find the talk of Nige's health very distaseful. It's a private matter and should remain so. Unless & until he can't do the job he is being paid to do, then it should be no concern of anyone but Nige, his family (if he chooses to share), and his doctors. He's not 100%, we have a threadbare squad, and we are 8th in the table; that's telling me all I need to know about his capabilities. I do however worry that his health might be a 'convenient' way, for the powers that be, to bin him off. That would be a low low move, and I would expect better from our great club.

Absolutely bang on!

 

And it's exactly the excuse that the crumblef***s will spin.

[italian dave]

6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

What consensus was that?

Fair comment: consensus is the wrong word. I’m thinking of the other thread that’s on the go at the moment which compares the two OTIB polls - and the majority in Dec 22 voting that he should go. 

[redsquirrel]

all they got to do is say 'as long as he can fulfil his duties as manager, we would like him to stay if agreeable'  not difficult is it, even i can write that

[Superjack]

3 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Mate, he can't even direct proceedings from the technical area let alone take a training session - that to me says he can't do the job properly at this point.

I repeat.

 

Has he shagged your missus or something?

 

Your anti-Pearson brain must be triggered to **** by all the support he is getting on here. 

 

Do yourself a favour and take a break until you get your catastrophic wish. 

It may very well be only a matter of hours.

[johnheadbcfc]

Whether it's right or wrong the business minds will not give any extension to someone that in 6 weeks could say the doctors have told me I have no take time off for x amount of time. 

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, italian dave said:

Fair comment: consensus is the wrong word. I’m thinking of the other thread that’s on the go at the moment which compares the two OTIB polls - and the majority in Dec 22 voting that he should go. 

To answer your other point one reason to decide now to get rid (if that’s the decision obviously) is that it will cost Steve far less than it would have 12 months ago and whilst we were treading water there was no need to get rid. He’s now in the territory of having to make a decision one way or the other. He wasn’t 12 months ago.

[Superjack]

1 minute ago, johnheadbcfc said:

Whether it's right or wrong the business minds will not give any extension to someone that in 6 weeks could say the doctors have told me I have no take time off for x amount of time. 

And I repeat. 

 

If that is the reason, then come out and say so. 

 

The devious ones really are missing a trick here.

[petehinton]

9 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Mate, he can't even direct proceedings from the technical area let alone take a training session - that to me says he can't do the job properly at this point.

He’s never taken training sessions anyway, coaches and conditioning team do that. loads and loads and loads of managers don’t take training. 

[italian dave]

10 minutes ago, Superjack said:

No crowds during COVID, little income. Couldn't afford to get rid and couldn't have got a replacement. 

 

Although it hadn't come anywhere near to a head by then.

Hardly: it was Holden who was in charge through most of the time with no crowds. NP was appointed Feb 21, signed his current contract May 21, and in July 21 the return of full attendances was announced. 

[eardun]

9 hours ago, eardun said:

Must admit I’m more worried about this article in the Post. I hope the medics can establish the cause of this quickly and Nige can get better soon. My money is on this clouding the contract situation as well. 

“Bristol City manager Nigel Pearson has revealed he is dealing with an unspecified neurological issue that is the source of his back problem and the reason he’s needed to walk with the aid of crutches for the last six weeks.

Pearson has been hampered by the ailment since the September international break, which has left the Robins boss in constant pain and unable to move without two crutches by his side. 

The 60-year-old has continued to work through the discomfort and obvious logistical difficulties and has been in charge for each of City’s seven matches since, although he’s had to spend the majority of the 90 minutes either seated in the dugout or stands.

He’s undergone a series of tests, which have confirmed he requires back surgery but has also linked it with his brain and/or nerve damage, and while the root of the issue is yet to be discovered, Pearson has thankfully ruled out anything particularly serious, such as cancer.”

https://x.com/bristolcitylive/status/1716007990162018375?s=46&t=Lrw08Dd2QjCu1binMEvLeQ

For those posting Qs about Nige’s health, I posted the above earlier in this thread. You can read the full article linked from the tweet.

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, johnheadbcfc said:

Whether it's right or wrong the business minds will not give any extension to someone that in 6 weeks could say the doctors have told me I have no take time off for x amount of time. 

So be a man about it then, ring the guy, ask him how he is (any boss would have the ******* decency to do that wouldn’t they?) and then explain that once he’s fit and healthy we will discuss a new contract.

[Superjack]

Just now, italian dave said:

Hardly: it was Holden who was in charge through most of the time with no crowds. NP was appointed Feb 21, signed his current contract May 21, and in July 21 the return of full attendances was announced. 

You are correct, and I stand corrected. 

Apologies. I'm just so ****ing angry right now.

[W-S-M Seagull]

10 minutes ago, Harry said:

Well, technically he couldn’t go off sick for as long as he wants. He’s got a contract until the end of June.
If he needs to be off sick until the end of June then he’s perfectly entitled to. 
Whether the club renew his contract beyond June is highly highly relevant to his health situation. 
He’s a contracted employee in a role in an industry which has an average lifespan of about 14 months. 
If a manager is unable to manage the team then the club would have every right to not consider a contract renewal. 
 

This isn’t “normal” employment law here. His contract is up. It doesn’t have to be renewed. 

No need to be facetious when were talking within the context oh his contract expiring in the summer.

Football isn't excempt from employment law. 

They have no right to even ask about Nigels health because it has nothing to do with the job. 

A new contract would essentially be a offer of a job. To not offer him a new job purely based on his health, is illegal. In the same way as you can't refuse to hire someone because they are pregnant for example. 

However as I said, proving that discrimination would be difficult. 

I feel very uncomfortable that people such as yourself consider it to be a consideration.

Nigel has made it very clear he can continue to do the job with some reasonable adjustments so not a problem. A manager could be a wheelchair user and rightfully that should not be a consideration of their role because its irrelevant. The employer has a duty to make reasonable adjustments. 

[johnheadbcfc]

1 minute ago, Superjack said:

And I repeat. 

 

If that is the reason, then come out and say so. 

 

The devious ones really are missing a trick here.

If they come out and say that everyone will be up in arms about how cold they are and its disgusting.

I'm by no means a big lansdown fan but you can see why they haven't jumped to renew.

End of the day we all speak on here like it's a massive game of fm when we know bugger all that goes on in the club past the front door

[Top Robin]

9 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Amazing that despite this we won yesterday against a side that made the playoff final last season, then.

What a complete clown you are, as usual absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

Have I hit a raw nerve..calm down already

[Supersonic Robin]

On 21/10/2023 at 19:47, Silvio Dante said:

I did wonder whether SL had seen what was going on at Ipswich and convinced himself that he was right all along - Ashton with a progressive young coach was the way to go. He’s already let Ashton into the henhouse twice, he was clearly sorry to lose him and I wonder if the job McKenna is doing is viewed by SL as some sort of vindication, and the longer Ipswich go on, the more he errs towards “let’s go there again” and away from the very good job Nige is doing.
 

He’s made the same mistake twice. When there is cause (however misguided) to think you were right, it’s easy to make a very similar mistake.

Wednesday feels huge for a lot of reasons….

I was reflecting on this the other day.

Reluctantly, we have to admit that things are going rather well for Ipswich with Mark Ashton & a progressive young coach.

Does this show that Lansdown was right all along? I actually think it illustrates the opposite - that Lansdown is the problem.

It seems that Ashton + a young manager can do well in the Championship.....just not when they're being dictated to by you, Steve.
As much criticism as Mark Ashton (rightly) received from our fanbase, it wasn't the case the Lansdown had no say in the appointments of Johnson & Holden. It wasn't the case that Lansdown had no involvement in the excessive spending. It wasn't the case that Lansdown had no say in the strange restructuring that occurred during the Ashton era.

Ashton now finds himself at a new club, and may well be on the verge of achieving back to back promotions.

How much more evidence do you need? The problem is you, Mr Lansdown.

[italian dave]

4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

To answer your other point one reason to decide now to get rid (if that’s the decision obviously) is that it will cost Steve far less than it would have 12 months ago and whilst we were treading water there was no need to get rid. He’s now in the territory of having to make a decision one way or the other. He wasn’t 12 months ago.

True, but if cost is the consideration then he can leave it another 9 months and it won’t cost anything. 

[Superjack]

Just now, johnheadbcfc said:

If they come out and say that everyone will be up in arms about how cold they are and its disgusting.

I'm by no means a big lansdown fan but you can see why they haven't jumped to renew.

End of the day we all speak on here like it's a massive game of fm when we know bugger all that goes on in the club past the front door

They don't have to say that they are getting rid of him due to health. They could just explain that they are delaying the decision for everyone's sake until the outcome is known. 

But they won't. Because they just want to get rid of him.

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, italian dave said:

True, but if cost is the consideration then he can leave it another 9 months and it won’t cost anything. 

True, or do nothing and hope Nige buggers off in the meantime!!

[Top Robin]

7 minutes ago, Superjack said:

I repeat.

 

Has he shagged your missus or something?

 

Your anti-Pearson brain must be triggered to **** by all the support he is getting on here. 

 

Do yourself a favour and take a break until you get your catastrophic wish. 

It may very well be only a matter of hours.

Easy tiger...why do you Pearson lovers get so tetchy? Is it because you're in denial? 

[Superjack]

2 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Have I hit a raw nerve..calm down already

You are the biggest troll on here. 

And we all know who that puts you above.

[W-S-M Seagull]

13 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Bit harsh.

Mark clearly cares, but his priorities are likely different to us, and if he is also under pressure to reduce costs, increase profitability and all that, it probably takes its toll after a while. 

Maybe replying to Fevs wasn't the best idea, but it was late, and given how widely it has been shared, not much value in deleting it or justifying it now.

Has he reached out to Dave today to apologise for his lack of professionalism? That's what most of us would do if we did make a mistake whilst tired. 

Unless he's done that they we can't really be making excuses for his comment.

It appears Mark only cares about stroking the ego of the Lansdowns because that means career progression for him.

[Numero Uno]

4 minutes ago, johnheadbcfc said:

If they come out and say that everyone will be up in arms about how cold they are and its disgusting.

I'm by no means a big lansdown fan but you can see why they haven't jumped to renew.

End of the day we all speak on here like it's a massive game of fm when we know bugger all that goes on in the club past the front door

Nobody is talking about a public announcement. He hadn’t even rung Nige to see how he is by the sound of Nige’s interview yesterday. A private conversation outlining the situation is all you need….unless you have no interest in the bloke who has done a job for you over the last two and a half years.

[Superjack]

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

Has he reached out to Dave today to apologise for his lack of professionalism? That's what most of us would do if we did make a mistake whilst tired. 

Unless he's done that they we can't really be making excuses for his comment.

It appears Mark only cares about stroking the ego of the Lansdowns because that means career progression for him.

Spot on. 

(I WAS just gonna 'thank' you).

[Galley is our king]

1 minute ago, Top Robin said:

Easy tiger...why do you Pearson lovers get so tetchy? Is it because you're in denial? 

People get tetchy with you because you are a ****

[johnheadbcfc]

1 minute ago, Superjack said:

They don't have to say that they are getting rid of him due to health. They could just explain that they are delaying the decision for everyone's sake until the outcome is known. 

But they won't. Because they just want to get rid of him.

If someone from the club come out and said that I'd imagine Pearson would be absolutely fuming and rightly so. Inwill say again 99% of this forum is make believe speculation all we see is 90mins twice a week or a happy clappy behind the scenes video when we win.

[redkev]

Poking my head above the parapet here , where and when has Steve or Jon Lansdown said that they won’t be offering Nige a contract , asking for a friend ,

( by the way I’m pro Nige but have had my doubts at times over the past few years but I think most of us have ) 

[W-S-M Seagull]

18 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Mate, he can't even direct proceedings from the technical area let alone take a training session - that to me says he can't do the job properly at this point.

So if a manager gets banned from the touchline for a few games then they should be fired? 

Nigel isn't a manager that screams and shouts from the touchline anyways so it's not much difference. Nigel also isn't a manager that takes coaching sessions, not many managers do. 

Nigel often delegates those things to his trusted staff members anyways. 

Delegating someone to pass on your instructions would be considered a reasonable adjustement.

 

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 minutes ago, Superjack said:

Spot on. 

(I WAS just gonna 'thank' you).

I've seen many of your posts today that I've been unable to thank as I've ran out of reactions today  

[Boston Red]

This from the Post. 

 

Clearly all is not well between manager and ownership, and perhaps the level in between which is where the primary bridges of communication are. As it stands, he’s not being offered a contract extension and unless there’s a significant change of opinion by the powerbrokers in BS3, that won’t change.

 

If the Post are genuinely in the know on this one and not speculating, and if what they are saying is true, that Pearson is not going to be offered a new contract, then that is worrying. 

[Superjack]

1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I've seen many of your posts today that I've been unable to thank as I've ran out of reactions today  

Shame. It always gives me a boost!

[W-S-M Seagull]

1 minute ago, Superjack said:

Shame. It always gives me a boost!

I always have a little chuckle to myself when we thank each others posts

[johnheadbcfc]

I'd be disappointed if pearson isn't given more time, the club usually disappoints me but I will still pay to watch every time

[bearded_red]

How long do you have to own a football club before you stop being utterly clueless about the sport?

Asking for a friend.

[Top Robin]

12 minutes ago, Superjack said:

You are the biggest troll on here. 

And we all know who that puts you above.

People who have differing opinions to you are not always trolls - it's what makes this site interesting.

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

4 minutes ago, Gabriella said:

For what it’s worth I can understand the club not offering him a new deal. He wanted 3 years and that is what he was given, has he justified an extra 1/2 years…? Probably, but it’s up for debate, the deal on Scott hasn’t helped either….lots of “rated” managers out there and available at the moment. 

Are there any yes men in your list of "rated" managers ?

[Jerseybean]

1 hour ago, Gabriella said:

I really hope Rowett isn’t someone we are looking at to replace Pearson, horrible football. 

My neighbour (a Millwall fan) had this to say when his departure was announced, ‘The chairman’s not saying much, but the feelings are that we can take the inconsistencies, we could take the boring football but could not face being below Bristol city in the league’ 

[Superjack]

4 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

People who have differing opinions to you are not always trolls - it's what makes this site interesting.

I know. There are a few who don't rate Pearson.

THEY are not necessarily trolls.

[Supersonic Robin]

On 21/10/2023 at 20:52, ExiledAjax said:

I'd like to register my apathy.

And I don't even hate Pearson. Jesus Christ only 10 months ago I was posting telling people he'd improved us whilst we all dealt with the "Pearson out" threads on here. But he's not a saint, he's not perfect, he's not the lord and saviour, he's not Gandalf on the bridge in front of the balrog. I just find it bizarre to see so much "we must keep him" sentiment.

If he goes he goes. If that's down to a falling out with the owners then quelle surprise, but we'll move on.

Your apathy is somewhat understandable.

I think Pearson has done a good job, but supporters of other clubs may be rather confused looking at the desperation of our fans to keep a manager who has ultimately taken us from midtable to midtable in 3 years.

However, for me, it's as much about avoiding a Lansdown managerial appointment as it is about keeping Pearson. After years of Holdens, Millens, and Johnsons, the Lansdowns have somehow stumbled upon an experienced football manager who knows what he's doing (despite the fact they seem to thoroughly dislike him). I don't trust us to make a better appointment should Pearson leave.

If I were a supporter of Brighton, Brentford, or Luton, I wouldn't be too worried about my club losing Pearson - I'd trust the club to replace him. Unfortunately, I don't support any of those clubs, I support Bristol City.

23 hours ago, petehinton said:

I think what makes it even more worrying for me, is without the right person with the right experience and personality and aura, I.e how Pearson is now, we will completely fall like a house of cards again because of the structure up top. IMO what’s stopping it from being like that now, is the culture and leadership Pearson has instilled. He’s been the face of the club for 11 months now basically. Having to explain pretty much all the ins and outs for things that aren’t even his remit. 

There is no mediator. There’s basically 3 people doing 5 peoples jobs, one of which with all due respect is very inexperienced. 

If we end up with the wrong man next, with no one up top knowing what they’re doing either, and an owner who’s desperate to sell up, we’ll be Holden Dec ‘20 - Feb ‘21 era in quick fashion, with the training ground basically becoming a crèche again. 

Well put. Pearson is helping to protect us from the incompetence of the Lansdowns. This is about more than Pearson's ability to set up XI players on a Saturday afternoon (although it shouldn't be).

[The Swan and Cemetery]

3 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Are there any yes men in your list of "rated" managers ?

Fear not, there’ll be someone out there with a few PowerPoint slides about how they’re inspired by Billy Beane and use sabermetrics to go for a piss. SL/JL will lap it up. 

[GrahamC]

3 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

How long do you have to own a football club before you stop being utterly clueless about the sport?

Asking for a friend.

In amongst all the ludicrousness of our current situation, at least we now know the definitive answer to the question as to why we are the biggest club that has never made the Prem.

Because we are appallingly run by an owner who is unable to deal with any sort of constructive challenge in the workplace & who incredibly has been chairman or owner for over 20 years now & yet as you say, still knows absolutely nothing about football.

Then of course there is our current chairman who possesses the charisma of a library ticket, is unable to speak in public using joined up sentences & is about as visible as Lord Lucan.

Never has so much been spent (pre Nige, of course) to achieve so very little.

[Superjack]

1 minute ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Fear not, there’ll be someone out there with a few PowerPoint slides about how they’re inspired by Billy Beane and use sabermetrics to go for a piss. SL/JL will lap it up. 

I drew a really good diagram in Maths once. Get me in.

I won't be a ***"ing 'yes man' though...

[38MC]

NP is a principled man. If he declares himself fit I’m sure he is. Once he isn’t, I’m sure he’d admit it and mutually walk. Give him a 12m rolling contract.  

[Red Army 75]

NP has cleared the deadwood, cut the the wage budget, hasn’t had a fortune to spend, built a culture across the football club and is giving us our own identity. The players will run through brick walls for him. We are sat 8th in the championship. And SL won’t offer him a new contract. So frustrating and it’s pissing me off. 
 

Bet SL will roll at the red carpet for that *** Ashton Wednesday night.

We need to get vocal 

[Superjack]

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

In amongst all the ludicrousness of our current situation, at least we now know the definitive answer to the question as to why we are the biggest club that has never made the Prem.

Because we are appallingly run by an owner who is unable to deal with any sort of constructive challenge in the workplace & who incredibly has been chairman or owner for over 20 years now & yet as you say, still knows absolutely nothing about football.

Then of course there is our current chairman who possesses the charisma of a library ticket, is unable to speak in public using joined up sentences & is about as visible as Lord Lucan.

Never has so much been spent (pre Nige, of course) to achieve so very little.

I have given you flames, but even that is not adequate.

[Superjack]

Just now, Red Army 75 said:

NP has cleared the deadwood, cut the the wage budget, hasn’t had a fortune to spend, built a culture across the football club and is giving us our own identity. The players will run through brick walls for him. We are sat 8th in the championship. And SL won’t offer him a new contract. So frustrating and it’s pissing me off. 
 

Bet SL will roll at the red carpet for that *** Ashton Wednesday night.

We need to get vocal 

Be too late, I fear.

[slartibartfast]

11 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

My neighbour (a Millwall fan) had this to say when his departure was announced, ‘The chairman’s not saying much, but the feelings are that we can take the inconsistencies, we could take the boring football but could not face being below Bristol city in the league’ 

So, your neighbour...........bit of a t w a t , is he ?

[Superjack]

Just now, slartibartfast said:

So, your neighbour...........bit of a t w a t , is he ?

Evidently. 

He supports Millwall. 

[1960maaan]

Trying to be totally middle ground.

Pearson after his illness a while back said something about not knowing how long he would go on. Now that may have changed, but it may have been a thought in Lansdown's mind, who knows. 

Personally I think it would be madness to get this far, with the backroom, coaching, recruitment and medical looking as good as it's been for years, just to tear it up and start from scratch. A new man would want to spend more and get his own men in and it could mean a big upheaval again.

The talk of yes men, while I can see where it comes from and I don't disagree, isn't really a thing. Pearson has done his job while going along with everything Stevie has wanted. He may not bend over , curtsey or tug his forelock , but he's towed the company line. 

I would love the team to go on a little run to see what SL does. A good season would make it very difficult for Lansdown.

[W-S-M Seagull]

10 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

who has ultimately taken us from midtable to midtable in 3 years.

Well put. Pearson is helping to protect us from the incompetence of the Lansdowns. 

Without Pearson, we'd be in league one and in a huge amount of financial trouble, probably having breached ffp. 

As it is we are just outside the play offs and Nigel has set us up for future success. 

Thats why Nige is held in such high regard. 

[Superjack]

2 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Trying to be totally middle ground.

Pearson after his illness a while back said something about not knowing how long he would go on. Now that may have changed, but it may have been a thought in Lansdown's mind, who knows. 

Personally I think it would be madness to get this far, with the backroom, coaching, recruitment and medical looking as good as it's been for years, just to tear it up and start from scratch. A new man would want to spend more and get his own men in and it could mean a big upheaval again.

The talk of yes men, while I can see where it comes from and I don't disagree, isn't really a thing. Pearson has done his job while going along with everything Stevie has wanted. He may not bend over , curtsey or tug his forelock , but he's towed the company line. 

I would love the team to go on a little run to see what SL does. A good season would make it very difficult for Lansdown.

You almost had me until 'Stevie'.

[1960maaan]

Just now, Superjack said:

You almost had me until 'Stevie'.

I was running out of ways not to repeat myself 

[zider'ed]

1 hour ago, Cov 77 said:

Suggested to me earlier that even as a one off that the Han Noah Massengo song could be adapted to Big Nigel Pearson, not as mad as it sounds when you try it ( not sure how massive his hair is though) 

Whatever anything that gives the message over is positive 

How about the Albert / Heartbeat song.

Nigel, oh Nigel Pearson...Give him, a 3 year deal.

Followed by **** off Mark Ashton (and repeat)

 

[Superjack]

1 minute ago, 1960maaan said:

I was running out of ways not to repeat myself 

I could have given you a few alternative names...

[Henry]

56 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Bit harsh.

Mark clearly cares, but his priorities are likely different to us, and if he is also under pressure to reduce costs, increase profitability and all that, it probably takes its toll after a while. 

Maybe replying to Fevs wasn't the best idea, but it was late, and given how widely it has been shared, not much value in deleting it or justifying it now.

Having a stressful job doesn’t mean you can start dishing out shitty tweets. It’s hardly like @Davefevs @ Mark Kelly.

 

Mark Kelly jobs is now more about working directly for the Lansdown than the club. Again, **** him.

[cidered abroad]

12 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

In amongst all the ludicrousness of our current situation, at least we now know the definitive answer to the question as to why we are the biggest club that has never made the Prem.

Because we are appallingly run by an owner who is unable to deal with any sort of constructive challenge in the workplace & who incredibly has been chairman or owner for over 20 years now & yet as you say, still knows absolutely nothing about football.

Then of course there is our current chairman who possesses the charisma of a library ticket, is unable to speak in public using joined up sentences & is about as visible as Lord Lucan.

Never has so much been spent (pre Nige, of course) to achieve so very little.

I agree 100% with you. I bet Harry Dolman would have offered to continue his contract and found some transfer cash for a couple to give us a more realistic chance of going up. 

But Lansdown knows **** all about football and while spending on the stadium and Training ground, outgoings that are recoverable, doesn't have a clue how to get promotion to the Prem.

Just look at how much he squandered on LJ and the unmentionable previous CEO, now at Ipswich, to realise I am correct in my comments.

 

[bpexile]

8 minutes ago, Superjack said:

I could have given you a few alternative names...

What like ****,***** & ****, my vocabulary is endless in those **** words 

Edited October 22, 2023 by bpexile
I miss spelt ****

[ExiledAjax]

23 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

an owner who is unable to deal with any sort of constructive challenge

This is the underlying current of egotistical failure that flows through the current set up.

[Harry]

44 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

No need to be facetious when were talking within the context oh his contract expiring in the summer.

Football isn't excempt from employment law. 

They have no right to even ask about Nigels health because it has nothing to do with the job. 

A new contract would essentially be a offer of a job. To not offer him a new job purely based on his health, is illegal. In the same way as you can't refuse to hire someone because they are pregnant for example. 

However as I said, proving that discrimination would be difficult. 

I feel very uncomfortable that people such as yourself consider it to be a consideration.

Nigel has made it very clear he can continue to do the job with some reasonable adjustments so not a problem. A manager could be a wheelchair user and rightfully that should not be a consideration of their role because its irrelevant. The employer has a duty to make reasonable adjustments. 

It’s very different to regular jobs. 
Nige is a public persona. His health is already in the public arena. Heck, he’s even spoken about it himself. So it’s not like we’re out of order for discussing it. 
It’s a matter of public fact in a public facing industry. 
 

As for his contract, if the club decide not to renew his contract on the grounds of health, there is nothing wrong with that at all. Again, this is a very different industry to normal employment. 
The club don’t have to give any reason at all if they don’t want to. They can just say “we’ve decided to move on from Nigel” and don’t have to mention a single thing about the reasons why. 
It’s a specific length of contract that has been signed and both parties can walk away from it at the expiry by whatever reasons they deem necessary. 
 

Whilst Nigel isn’t as ‘hands on’ in his coaching any more, it’s still a necessity and a material and substantial duty of his role to be able to attend training sessions. Whether in a coaching capacity or in a viewing/analytical capacity, but it is a material and substantial part of the role of a football manager. 
If he’s not been able to attend training for the last 5 weeks then he’s not being able to perform the main function of which he is employed. 
 

That’s no secret. It’s public knowledge. And if the club use this as a reason to not renew his contract next July then there is nothing discriminatory about that whatsoever. 

[Supersonic Robin]

23 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Without Pearson, we'd be in league one and in a huge amount of financial trouble, probably having breached ffp. 

As it is we are just outside the play offs and Nigel has set us up for future success. 

Thats why Nige is held in such high regard. 

Not sure if you've done this deliberately, but you've removed a section of my post and presented it without context to suggest that I was making a point which I very clearly wasn't. My post was clearly positive about the the job Pearson has done.

It's rather misleading to shorten this comment:

37 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I think Pearson has done a good job, but supporters of other clubs may be rather confused looking at the desperation of our fans to keep a manager who has ultimately taken us from midtable to midtable in 3 years.

However, for me, it's as much about avoiding a Lansdown managerial appointment as it is about keeping Pearson. After years of Holdens, Millens, and Johnsons, the Lansdowns have somehow stumbled upon an experienced football manager who knows what he's doing (despite the fact they seem to thoroughly dislike him). I don't trust us to make a better appointment should Pearson leave.

To this:

37 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

who has ultimately taken us from midtable to midtable in 3 years.

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Supersonic Robin

[Sheltons Army]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Amazing that despite this we won yesterday against a side that made the playoff final last season, then.

What a complete clown you are, as usual absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

This Graham is the man who in the week suggested as a fill in option at centre half......

........  Harry Cornick !

 

Still, he’s got Nigels measure , 

Maybe Nige can tap into his ideas and criticisms

[Engvall’s Splinter]

50 minutes ago, Gabriella said:

For what it’s worth I can understand the club not offering him a new deal. He wanted 3 years and that is what he was given, has he justified an extra 1/2 years…? Probably, but it’s up for debate, the deal on Scott hasn’t helped either….lots of “rated” managers out there and available at the moment. 

Out of interest, name them (the “lots” of them). And why they are “rated” over Pearson or how they would improve us. Genuine question. 

[Sheltons Army]

1 hour ago, petehinton said:

He’s never taken training sessions anyway, coaches and conditioning team do that. loads and loads and loads of managers don’t take training. 

.....like Sir Alex Ferguson for example , not sure he ever took a session , ......prowled ,watched, listened 

[W-S-M Seagull]

9 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Not sure if you've done this deliberately, but you've removed a section of my post and presented it without context to suggest that I was making a point which I very clearly wasn't. My post was clearly positive about the the job Pearson has done.

It's rather misleading to shorten this comment:

To this:

 

Apologies if it came across as misleading. 

I was attempting to respond to your comment about other fans may be confused. 

[bpexile]

17 minutes ago, Harry said:

It’s very different to regular jobs. 
Nige is a public persona. His health is already in the public arena. Heck, he’s even spoken about it himself. So it’s not like we’re out of order for discussing it. 
It’s a matter of public fact in a public facing industry. 
 

As for his contract, if the club decide not to renew his contract on the grounds of health, there is nothing wrong with that at all. Again, this is a very different industry to normal employment. 
The club don’t have to give any reason at all if they don’t want to. They can just say “we’ve decided to move on from Nigel” and don’t have to mention a single thing about the reasons why. 
It’s a specific length of contract that has been signed and both parties can walk away from it at the expiry by whatever reasons they deem necessary. 
 

Whilst Nigel isn’t as ‘hands on’ in his coaching any more, it’s still a necessity and a material and substantial duty of his role to be able to attend training sessions. Whether in a coaching capacity or in a viewing/analytical capacity, but it is a material and substantial part of the role of a football manager. 
If he’s not been able to attend training for the last 5 weeks then he’s not being able to perform the main function of which he is employed. 
 

That’s no secret. It’s public knowledge. And if the club use this as a reason to not renew his contract next July then there is nothing discriminatory about that whatsoever. 

I'm beginning to wonder if it's possible that Nige has now had enough of the situation with SL & has now come out with his views on the situation to say "I'm available" to clubs that are in need of new management. I really do hope that isn't the case but there will be many clubs that will be watching this outcome.

[Roadrunner]

In my humble opinion we have the one of the best City manager i have known in my 67 years of supporting City. Reading what has been writen on this forum on this subject i would say well over 80 % of the fans want him to stay.

 

So i was thinking the same as Wokingham Red on Wednesday when the match starts lets all sing as load as we can, for as long as we can "Theres only one Nigel Peason". Then as long as we are not losing, lets keep it going.

 

I agree Nigel health is a worry, but as long as he as he feels he can contribute to the club we must keep him.

 

The other thought that has come into my head is with the sudden removel of the COE and now this. Could it be that a take over is gathering pace, and the new owners are putting things in place for when they break the news.

[Sheltons Army]

23 minutes ago, Harry said:

It’s very different to regular jobs. 
Nige is a public persona. His health is already in the public arena. Heck, he’s even spoken about it himself. So it’s not like we’re out of order for discussing it. 
It’s a matter of public fact in a public facing industry. 
 

As for his contract, if the club decide not to renew his contract on the grounds of health, there is nothing wrong with that at all. Again, this is a very different industry to normal employment. 
The club don’t have to give any reason at all if they don’t want to. They can just say “we’ve decided to move on from Nigel” and don’t have to mention a single thing about the reasons why. 
It’s a specific length of contract that has been signed and both parties can walk away from it at the expiry by whatever reasons they deem necessary. 
 

Whilst Nigel isn’t as ‘hands on’ in his coaching any more, it’s still a necessity and a material and substantial duty of his role to be able to attend training sessions. Whether in a coaching capacity or in a viewing/analytical capacity, but it is a material and substantial part of the role of a football manager. 
If he’s not been able to attend training for the last 5 weeks then he’s not being able to perform the main function of which he is employed. 
 

That’s no secret. It’s public knowledge. And if the club use this as a reason to not renew his contract next July then there is nothing discriminatory about that whatsoever. 

Harry

Sorry, do I understand you right ...that you are stating NP hasn’t attended training for five weeks ?

[W-S-M Seagull]

44 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

NP has cleared the deadwood, cut the the wage budget, hasn’t had a fortune to spend, built a culture across the football club and is giving us our own identity. The players will run through brick walls for him. We are sat 8th in the championship. And SL won’t offer him a new contract. So frustrating and it’s pissing me off. 
 

Bet SL will roll at the red carpet for that *** Ashton Wednesday night.

We need to get vocal 

The players and other staff are obviously aware of what's going on. 

My understanding is the entire squad have a huge amount of respect for Nige and are very fond of him. 

Whilst all this is unnecessary and unwanted, it does have the ability to create a seige mentality between the squad and the fans which can help to get some good results.