Wedontplayinblue Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) Without trying to upset anyone with their personal views, what are peoples views on todays moments silence? I’m personally struggling to see what positive impact it had on the situation, there seems to be more and more moments of silence/applause for situations that the club are not affected by, or have any impact over. In the past it would had been for when a legend had passed away, a chairman etc. It’s absolutely dreadful what is happening on both sides of the conflict, Wouldn’t for example a bucket collection for aid for both sides, of been better? There were a few shouts today when it happened also, which wouldn’t help when people can have such strong differing views on the conflict. Edited October 21, 2023 by Wedontplayinblue 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Was EFL and or PL, FA led for a start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedontplayinblue Posted October 21, 2023 Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Was EFL and or PL, FA led for a start. I wasn’t aware of that, but I just think they could have done something that would have had a much more positive impact than a moment silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redkev Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 Sick to the back teeth of moments of silence , applause , black arm bands blah blah blah , there’s something every week now , the Israeli/ Gazza / Hamas shite is far too complicated for us to understand as for sir Bobby Charlton it’s football related and the bloke is a World Cup winner and legend that’s worth a minutes silence / applause 38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 My thoughts are that it’s one minute of paying respect to something so nothing to get annoyed about really. If you don’t like it then suck it up for 60 seconds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, redkev said: Sick to the back teeth of moments of silence , applause , black arm bands blah blah blah , there’s something every week now , the Israeli/ Gazza / Hamas shite is far too complicated for us to understand as for sir Bobby Charlton it’s football related and the bloke is a World Cup winner and legend that’s worth a minutes silence / applause I'm minded to agree. The minute's "silence" at Wembley on Tues was not observed at all and it seems even fighting in the stands broke out due to those who interupted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, redkev said: Sick to the back teeth of moments of silence , applause , black arm bands blah blah blah , there’s something every week now , the Israeli/ Gazza / Hamas shite is far too complicated for us to understand as for sir Bobby Charlton it’s football related and the bloke is a World Cup winner and legend that’s worth a minutes silence / applause Been thinking this for a while. It does devalue it somewhat when it's almost every game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: My thoughts are that it’s one minute of paying respect to something so nothing to get annoyed about really. If you don’t like it then suck it up for 60 seconds. The trouble is some people won’t suck it up , football is slowly becoming a political soap box 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 On the plus side: - it was properly organised and communicated, unlike most recently, and - I could actually hear what it was about; I don’t know if the club have tweaked the PA ( @phantom ) but it seemed a bit better than it often is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStand Sandwich Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Also, hate to be the bearer of bad news but this awful conflict is going to go on for a long long time… having a minute’s silence as a one off or or we going to do this for every week of the conflict? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Sport and politics shouldn't be mixed IMHO regardless of viewpoint. Sport and sport on the other hand should. RIP Sir Bobby Charlton. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) I once again ask for us to do a minute silence or applause once a year like many clubs do to honour those that have passed in the previous 12 months. Their pictures can be shown on the big screens & we can all pay our respects properly. Here’s an example of how Millwall do it. https://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/02/memorial-day-at-the-den-this-saturday/ I get that random world events aren’t covered by the above, but it would stop the minutes applause requests we get almost every week recently where half the people don’t know who they’re applauding anyway. Edited October 21, 2023 by Carey 6 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Did we have a similar one for the Putin's invasion of Ukraine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Frenchay Red said: Did we have a similar one for the Putin's invasion of Ukraine? I can’t remember whether we had a minutes silence or not, but we certainly did recognise it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 It isn't necessarily that political if it is a silence for all innocent victims on both sides. Had they picked a side then yes that would leave the organisation (FA, club etc) open to accusations of bias etc. IMO. It is a one off I expect but time will tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBibs Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: I once again ask for us to do a minute silence or applause once a year like many clubs do to honour those that have passed in the previous 12 months. Their pictures can be shown on the big screens & we can all pay our respects properly. Here’s an example of how Millwall do it. https://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/02/memorial-day-at-the-den-this-saturday/ I get that random world events aren’t covered by the above, but it would stop the minutes applause requests we get almost every week recently where half the people don’t know who they’re applauding anyway. Stoke did it very well too. So much better and in my opinion more meaningful. My daughter said she’ll ask for a minute’s applause when I pass just because she knows it winds me up. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 minute ago, MrBibs said: Stoke did it very well too. So much better and in my opinion more meaningful. My daughter said she’ll ask for a minute’s applause when I pass just because she knows it winds me up. 2 black armbands and a lovely little black anklet for you then mate? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 39 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: I'm minded to agree. The minute's "silence" at Wembley on Tues was not observed at all and it seems even fighting in the stands broke out due to those who interupted it. Didn’t help that the announcement was botched. It was obvious something was happening because the players gathered around the centre circle - the ref blew his whistle to start the silence then the announcer proceeded to tell us about the silence, and repeat it in Italian. I wouldn’t say it “wasn’t observed at all” though, was only a few idiots trying to ruin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 32 minutes ago, SouthStand Sandwich said: Also, hate to be the bearer of bad news but this awful conflict is going to go on for a long long time… having a minute’s silence as a one off or or we going to do this for every week of the conflict? One off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Didn’t help that the announcement was botched. It was obvious something was happening because the players gathered around the centre circle - the ref blew his whistle to start the silence then the announcer proceeded to tell us about the silence, and repeat it in Italian. I wouldn’t say it “wasn’t observed at all” though, was only a few idiots trying to ruin it. I recall there being a very clear announcement of what was about to happen, and that's definitely one of the worst "observed" minutes silence I've heard. It got so bad the ref basically blew up early. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, Kid in the Riot said: I recall there being a very clear announcement of what was about to happen, and that's definitely one of the worst "observed" minutes silence I've heard. It got so bad the ref basically blew up early. It was made clear over the tannoy but only after the ref had blown his whistle. The ref didn’t blow it early, the announcer talked through half the minutes silence. Then a few idiots decided to shout out and it felt like the boos were aimed at those people shouting not the silence. This video kinda proves my point, the announcement in English and then Italian says it will start on the referees whistle - then there’s no whistle because he’d already blown. And if you watch the game back on channel 4 you’ll see there’s exactly a minute from first whistle (before announcement) to second whistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 It’ll soon be the anniversary of the shambolic Remembrance Day “moments silence” that went so badly there wasn’t any silence, just clapping and confusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, MarcusX said: It was made clear over the tannoy but only after the ref had blown his whistle. The ref didn’t blow it early, the announcer talked through half the minutes silence. Then a few idiots decided to shout out and it felt like the boos were aimed at those people shouting not the silence. This video kinda proves my point, the announcement in English and then Italian says it will start on the referees whistle - then there’s no whistle because he’d already blown. And if you watch the game back on channel 4 you’ll see there’s exactly a minute from first whistle (before announcement) to second whistle. Sorry but I was at the game stone cold sober and that vid appears to back my point up that a few ********* ruined the minutes silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: I recall there being a very clear announcement of what was about to happen, and that's definitely one of the worst "observed" minutes silence I've heard. It got so bad the ref basically blew up early. Knew that would happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 The silence is for innocent people who have died. No matter what your thoughts are on Palestine/Israel, no innocent families should be dying on either side so just don't be a knob. Shut up for a minute. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, TBW said: The silence is for innocent people who have died. No matter what your thoughts are on Palestine/Israel, no innocent families should be dying on either side so just don't be a knob. Shut up for a minute. People will be knobs though , a few ciders and some sherbet sniffing powder will make the mind think differently, the then so say minutes silence turns into a shambolic embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Sorry but I was at the game stone cold sober and that vid appears to back my point up that a few ********* ruined the minutes silence. The UEFA announcement of it, I wasn't at Wembley so can't comment on how the PA announcer mentioned it, initially specified the Israeli victims of it and solely the Israeli victims. Well Israeli and Swedish of course. Should never have been interrupted. FA, EFL, PL and indeed rugby took a safer announcement such as what we heard today. Edited October 21, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The UEFA announcement of it, I wasn't at Wembley so can't comment on how the PA announcer mentioned it, initially specified the Israeli victims of it and solely the Israeli victims. Well Israeli and Swedish of course. Should never have been interrupted. FA, EFL, PL and indeed rugby took a safer announcement such as what we heard today. The message changed between the Australia game (where the scoreboard and PA announcement made reference to victims on both sides of the conflict - pic below) and the Italy game, where Sweden and Israel were mentioned but not Palestine. For what it’s worth the silence was much more ‘silent’ at the Australia game than at the Italy game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, North London Red said: The message changed between the Australia game (where the scoreboard and PA announcement made reference to victims on both sides of the conflict - pic below) and the Italy game, where Sweden and Israel were mentioned but not Palestine. For what it’s worth the silence was much more ‘silent’ at the Australia game than at the Italy game. Ah yes, thanks. Something in the Times Friday I think said that this also helped Australia as they play Palestine and Lebanon in 2 upcoming WC qualifiers. Will try and find it. Edited October 21, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Wedontplayinblue said: Without trying to upset anyone with their personal views, what are peoples views on todays moments silence? I’m personally struggling to see what positive impact it had on the situation, there seems to be more and more moments of silence/applause for situations that the club are not affected by, or have any impact over. In the past it would had been for when a legend had passed away, a chairman etc. It’s absolutely dreadful what is happening on both sides of the conflict, Wouldn’t for example a bucket collection for aid for both sides, of been better? There were a few shouts today when it happened also, which wouldn’t help when people can have such strong differing views on the conflict. I don’t mind it, 60 seconds and it’s been collectively agreed so I see no reason why not to participate. I however don’t have a lot of time for people heckling which I heard today (believe it was from the Coventry end). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, redkev said: People will be knobs though , a few ciders and some sherbet sniffing powder will make the mind think differently, the then so say minutes silence turns into a shambolic embarrassment. If you're already ****** out of your mind by 3PM then you need to sort your life out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) Some people hit the pub by 12, away days can be earlier still for a 3pm. I went on a mini pub crawl for a 3pm kick off with mates about 6 years ago. We met at midday or near as dammit..pretty much every City related pub form the Masonic down to those nearest Ashton Gate oh and one or two by the Natch Wall as well as it was a nice day for it. Without condoning any interruptions, I can easily see how alcohol alone by 3pm? Definitely! Edited October 22, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 hours ago, TBW said: The silence is for innocent people who have died. No matter what your thoughts are on Palestine/Israel, no innocent families should be dying on either side so just don't be a knob. Shut up for a minute. But it has been going on for years and people dying on both sides but I’ve never known a minute silence for it before,Agree tho that if you can’t keep your trap shut for a minute then your a wrong un but as said above let’s keep politics out of football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: But it has been going on for years and people dying on both sides but I’ve never known a minute silence for it before,Agree tho that if you can’t keep your trap shut for a minute then your a wrong un but as said above let’s keep politics out of football I assume it started as a minutes silence for the Israeli's that were killed and then as the week has unfolded they have realised that would make it look like ignoring the suffering of Palestinians so they have changed it to both sides. Then like you say it becomes an announcement that could have been made anytime in the last 2500 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedontplayinblue Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 I think some above may have missed the point in what I was trying to say, What benefit to anyone was the moments silence today? What did it actually achieve? Couldn’t the powers at be of done something that could have helped both sides, if they genuinely wanted to help? To me it very much screamed virtue signalling. At what point do you start/stop these moments of silence, the teacher in France recently, the two swedes in Belgium, the multiple ongoing conflicts in Africa? It all seems very pick and choosey on what should be deemed an issue and what shouldn’t, when really everyone is as important as each other. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBS15 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Divide and rule policy (Latin: divide et impera), or divide and conquer, in politics and sociology is gaining and maintaining power divisively. Historically and presently, this strategy was and is used in many different ways by empires seeking to expand their territories; however, it has been hard to distinguish between the exploitation of pre-existing divisions by opponents, and the deliberate creation or strengthening of these divisions implied by "divide and rule". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 The whole minutes silence / applause for anything not football related is pointless in my opinion and needs a serious rethink by the people who run the game. The common theme amongst the people attending games is the football itself, does anyone attend who doesn’t like football? OK perhaps some of the prawn sandwich brigade on a jolly, but only a handful at most. In a crowd of 20K plus there will be a myriad of different opinions about everything under the sun that anyone can think of. Bad things happen every day of our lives in one form or another across the globe, some affect people very personally, like the death of a loved one, some affect whole nations or people of a particular persuasion, religious or political, why should one of these events take precedent over any other? If any football fan feels particularly strongly about a major issue outside of football there are other avenues to follow that might actually prove more effective for that individual. My preference would be for a once a year acknowledgment of City fans who have died, and individual recognition of events like the passing of Sir Bobby, and the Remembrance Day event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 8 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Sorry but I was at the game stone cold sober and that vid appears to back my point up that a few ********* ruined the minutes silence. Well yes that was my point, it was a few idiots not “wasn’t observed at all” and the ref didn’t blow early. I didn’t mean to get so pedantic over it I just don’t think people realised the cock up by the announcer. As I say, it’s clear as day on channel 4 (you can still view it online) the whistle goes to start the silence THEN the announcer talks over the first 30 seconds. The second whistle is a minute after the first. I feel like I’m arguing over a minor point, sorry! I just didn’t think it was as bad as it might have been. Don’t think it helped there were Italians amongst the home ends, one group near me were one of the shouters during the silence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Not sure I agree with it all but it's 60 seconds not asking a lot is it? I do hope we have an applause for Sir Bobby on Weds though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Presumably it’ll be another minutes silence on Wednesday for Sir Bobby Charlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedontplayinblue Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Super said: Not sure I agree with it all but it's 60 seconds not asking a lot is it? I do hope we have an applause for Sir Bobby on Weds though. Missing the point super, what did 22,000 people being silent at Ashton gate achieve? What positive impact did it have on the current situation? No one has been able to answer that question so far. To myself, the moments silence hasn’t helped anyone in that current conflict at all. To me it just steams virtue signalling “the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.” Edited October 22, 2023 by Wedontplayinblue 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 11 hours ago, And Its Smith said: My thoughts are that it’s one minute of paying respect to something so nothing to get annoyed about really. If you don’t like it then suck it up for 60 seconds. I think that’s what people do. My concern is that that the regular minutes of silence have devalued the whole notion of the minutes silence. Rather like the standing ovation (not just in football) is now accorded to anyone who says or does something vaguely above average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 11 hours ago, redkev said: Sick to the back teeth of moments of silence , applause , black arm bands blah blah blah , there’s something every week now , the Israeli/ Gazza / Hamas shite is far too complicated for us to understand as for sir Bobby Charlton it’s football related and the bloke is a World Cup winner and legend that’s worth a minutes silence / applause It's virtue signalling of the highest order. Football is a cesspit of hypocrisy. Especially when you consider where the last World Cup was held. If there's money they'll take it...but in the meantime they'll tell you, the public, how you should think. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: I think that’s what people do. My concern is that that the regular minutes of silence have devalued the whole notion of the minutes silence. Rather like the standing ovation (not just in football) is now accorded to anyone who says or does something vaguely above average. Aye, and I have a distinct sense of de ja vous with this one - pretty sure some years back the amount of silences, applauses and other tributes across football caused a change, so they were much more limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Wedontplayinblue said: I think some above may have missed the point in what I was trying to say, What benefit to anyone was the moments silence today? What did it actually achieve? Couldn’t the powers at be of done something that could have helped both sides, if they genuinely wanted to help? To me it very much screamed virtue signalling. At what point do you start/stop these moments of silence, the teacher in France recently, the two swedes in Belgium, the multiple ongoing conflicts in Africa? It all seems very pick and choosey on what should be deemed an issue and what shouldn’t, when really everyone is as important as each other. Does it have to achieve anything concrete to be worth doing? It's not like by doing it people or organisations are less able to help in other ways if they want. I'm not sure football is the best place for a lot of these things for the record, but a moment of quiet contemplation isn't the worst thing in the world, even if it doesn't magically change anything - which nobody is expecting it to anyway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, MarcusX said: Presumably it’ll be another minutes silence on Wednesday for Sir Bobby Charlton Which is absolutely right & proper. If people want to moan about showing a minute of respect for the passing of England’s greatest exponent of the game they have all come to watch, I simply can’t understand that. Edited October 22, 2023 by GrahamC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 22, 2023 Admin Share Posted October 22, 2023 10 hours ago, Charlie BCFC said: I don’t mind it, 60 seconds and it’s been collectively agreed so I see no reason why not to participate. I however don’t have a lot of time for people heckling which I heard today (believe it was from the Coventry end). A Cov shouted "Get on with it" and then booed by a few, then a random shout in the Dolman again followed by a couple of boos Definitely much better respect than other games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedontplayinblue Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, IAmNick said: Does it have to achieve anything concrete to be worth doing? It's not like by doing it people or organisations are less able to help in other ways if they want. I'm not sure football is the best place for a lot of these things for the record, but a moment of quiet contemplation isn't the worst thing in the world, even if it doesn't magically change anything - which nobody is expecting it to anyway. If nobody is expecting it to achieve anything, then why do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Wedontplayinblue said: If nobody is expecting it to achieve anything, then why do it? Are you expecting posting on this thread to do anything? Why do it then? You can apply that logic to loads of things we do. It can have a personal effect for people even if it's not going to end a horrendous conflict thousands of miles away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Wedontplayinblue said: If nobody is expecting it to achieve anything, then why do it? I guess it's just a gesture of respect for the many, many dead under tragic and horrific circumstances. I seem to remember we did the same the matches after 9/11 and the Tube bombings. There will (rightly) be similar for Bobby Charlton on Wednesday and it's just about respect and remembrance. A minute's silence isn't about bringing anyone back to life or solving some political problem. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Wedontplayinblue said: If nobody is expecting it to achieve anything, then why do it? Not everything has to achieve something does it? What does any minutes silence achieve? Nothing really, what does it allow? My answer would be that in modern busy society it allows a moments reflection of something (usually tragic) that has happened - I think we can all agree what has happened this week is tragic due to the scale? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Wedontplayinblue said: If nobody is expecting it to achieve anything, then why do it? What's your obsession with 'achieving' something? Minute silences are to allow people to pay their respects, it's never ever been about 'achieving' anything. By your reasoning we shouldn't do anything for Sir Bobby on Wednesday as that won't achieve anything either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Surely rather than a minutes silence which does nothing for in this situation, we have a QR code on the big screens where someone can donate for people that need help (or cash if we weren't cashless). I get the minutes silence /applause for when a footballing icon or a loved is lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedontplayinblue Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, elhombrecito said: What's your obsession with 'achieving' something? Minute silences are to allow people to pay their respects, it's never ever been about 'achieving' anything. By your reasoning we shouldn't do anything for Sir Bobby on Wednesday as that won't achieve anything either. As if the powers at be cared that much, they could do something active and positive for the situation, the amount of money in football is insane and a minutes silence doesn’t help anyone. Like the other poster just said, a QR code to donate for aid etc. Clubs donating 50p for every pie sold to Aid Charities etc . To me it just seems virtue signalling. Edited October 22, 2023 by Wedontplayinblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Wedontplayinblue said: As if the powers at be cared that much, they could do something active and positive for the situation, the amount of money in football is insane and a minutes silence doesn’t help anyone. Like the other poster just said, a QR code to donate for aid etc. Clubs donating 50p for every pie sold to Aid Charities etc . To me it just seems virtue signalling. Will you think the silence for Sir Bobby or at Remembrance Day is "virtue signalling" or is it just when we remember foreign dead that it is? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just imagine if the club had featured the British Red Cross on the big screen and Downsy made an announcement on how you could support their efforts. Oh. They did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 15 hours ago, TBW said: The silence is for innocent people who have died. No matter what your thoughts are on Palestine/Israel, no innocent families should be dying on either side so just don't be a knob. Shut up for a minute. Don't disagree with giving respect to/honouring all the innocent people who died in most recent Israel/Palestine conflict. But, let's be honest, hundreds of thousands of innocent people are dying every day, due to wars/conflicts instigated by corrupt, power-hungry politicians and "world leaders" and the industrial miliary complex that funds and benefits from such wars. Every person's life is of equal value and precious. So, one might argue that we ought to have a minute's silence for all the innocent victims, killed or maimed in every conflict. Where do we draw the line? A pertinent question is, who decides which of the innocent victims worldwide warrant a minute's silence, how and why? Another question concerning doing this at football and other sporting occasions. Is there a better, more appropriate way and place to pay respects to the innocent casualties of conflict? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedontplayinblue Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: Don't disagree with giving respect to/honouring all the innocent people who died in most recent Israel/Palestine conflict. But, let's be honest, hundreds of thousands of innocent people are dying every day, due to wars/conflicts instigated by corrupt, power-hungry politicians and "world leaders" and the industrial miliary complex that funds and benefits from such wars. Every person's life is of equal value and precious. So, one might argue that we ought to have a minute's silence for all the innocent victims, killed or maimed in every conflict. Where do we draw the line? A pertinent question is, who decides which of the innocent victims worldwide warrant a minute's silence, how and why? Another question concerning doing this at football and other sporting occasions. Is there a better, more appropriate way and place to pay respects to the innocent casualties of conflict? Thanks Joe, put much better than I have put and hopefully gets what I meant across better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: Don't disagree with giving respect to/honouring all the innocent people who died in most recent Israel/Palestine conflict. But, let's be honest, hundreds of thousands of innocent people are dying every day, due to wars/conflicts instigated by corrupt, power-hungry politicians and "world leaders" and the industrial miliary complex that funds and benefits from such wars. Every person's life is of equal value and precious. So, one might argue that we ought to have a minute's silence for all the innocent victims, killed or maimed in every conflict. Where do we draw the line? A pertinent question is, who decides which of the innocent victims worldwide warrant a minute's silence, how and why? Another question concerning doing this at football and other sporting occasions. Is there a better, more appropriate way and place to pay respects to the innocent casualties of conflict? It's pretty unprecedented though. When else in recent years have we had 1400 people, many children, brutally tortured and murdered on a single day and then thousands more dying while trapped without hope of escape in an enclave bombarded with the latest weapons of war? Even the Ukrainians had places to flee to. It's such an awful thing that I think (as with 9/11) 60 seconds reflection to respect the victims is not unreasonable. I can't recall anyone banging on about "virtue signalling" when there were minute's silences after 9/11, but then, in those days, social media hadn't persuaded some that signalling virtue was a bad thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 hours ago, IAmNick said: Are you expecting posting on this thread to do anything? Why do it then? You can apply that logic to loads of things we do. It can have a personal effect for people even if it's not going to end a horrendous conflict thousands of miles away. 2 hours ago, elhombrecito said: What's your obsession with 'achieving' something? Minute silences are to allow people to pay their respects, it's never ever been about 'achieving' anything. By your reasoning we shouldn't do anything for Sir Bobby on Wednesday as that won't achieve anything either. 26 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: It's pretty unprecedented though. When else in recent years have we had 1400 people, many children, brutally tortured and murdered on a single day and then thousands more dying while trapped without hope of escape in an enclave bombarded with the latest weapons of war? Even the Ukrainians had places to flee to. It's such an awful thing that I think (as with 9/11) 60 seconds reflection to respect the victims is not unreasonable. I can't recall anyone banging on about "virtue signalling" when there were minute's silences after 9/11, but then, in those days, social media hadn't persuaded some that signalling virtue was a bad thing. Quite right , it’s simply about paying respect , those 60 seconds of silence actually give a good chance to reflect, for those that look to 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Regarding all these minutes silences etc applauses just watch the start of villa West Ham game , the announcer started on about victims of the conflict in Gaza then went onto mention sir Bobby Charlton immediately there was mass applause with singing of one Bobby Charlton , the players then took the knee within seconds there was a lot of boos ( remembering how multicultural Birmingham is that surprised me , my feeling is are that the majority of football fans are sick to death of being told to do this / that , please let football stick to football as for sir Bobby I will clapp my hands off for him on Wednesday icon , legend and such a humble man , I’m at football so I will appreciate a football man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 15 hours ago, TBW said: If you're already ****** out of your mind by 3PM then you need to sort your life out. What’s time got to do with it , we live in a different world now people drink when they want to , we all live different lives with different social habits and different work patterns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I really don't see the issue - if it's not a minutes silence then it's just another minute of Downsy filler 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Buckeyed said: I really don't see the issue - if it's not a minutes silence then it's just another minute of Downsy filler When you put it like that can we let people have a minutes silence for their dead hamster, to remember the grass they have just cut, anything really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Some reasonable debate on the subject here. For me at least the observation should at least be football related. I’m pretty sure when I started going it was quite a rare event and relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Tend to agree with the Coventry fan, just get on with the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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