Leicester best start

[ashton_fan]

Best start in Div 2 since Bristol City in 1905/06 when we won the league with 30 wins in 38 games .. according to Sky

Edited October 24, 2023 by ashton_fan

[milo1111]

Well done Leicester. Such a great achievement with one of the championships largest ever wage bills I’d guess.

all a bit of a farce isn’t it. They are playing a different game to us and plenty of others in this division. 

[GrahamC]

4 minutes ago, milo1111 said:

Well done Leicester. Such a great achievement with one of the championships largest ever wage bills I’d guess.

all a bit of a farce isn’t it. They are playing a different game to us and plenty of others in this division. 

Pretty sure that our wage bill the year before 1905 wasn’t £182m.

[A Horse With No Name]

5 minutes ago, milo1111 said:

Well done Leicester. Such a great achievement with one of the championships largest ever wage bills I’d guess.

all a bit of a farce isn’t it. They are playing a different game to us and plenty of others in this division. 

I don't agree. They came down and pretty much have the same team this season. Its not like they have gone out and spent tens of millions on new players. Fair play to them.

[Kid in the Riot]

2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I don't agree. They came down and pretty much have the same team this season. Its not like they have gone out and spent tens of millions on new players. Fair play to them.

They literally signed a current England international in Conor Coady

[Midred]

Mr Stroud and his assistant failed to award Sunderland a penalty in the first half. 

[pogue malone]

18 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I don't agree. They came down and pretty much have the same team this season. Its not like they have gone out and spent tens of millions on new players. Fair play to them.

Prob spent tens of millions season or two before .

[GrahamC]

18 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

They literally signed a current England international in Conor Coady

Harry Winks was £10m & the keeper apparently cost £6m, too.

[!james]

26 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I don't agree. They came down and pretty much have the same team this season. Its not like they have gone out and spent tens of millions on new players. Fair play to them.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/leicester-city/transfers/verein/1003

They spent around £38m in the summer. 

[tin]

I’m still not quite sure how they got relegated. They’re a top-half PL club IMO. 

[Kid in the Riot]

4 minutes ago, tin said:

I’m still not quite sure how they got relegated. 

Brendan Rogers. Say it. 

[Ziderarmy]

16 minutes ago, !james said:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/leicester-city/transfers/verein/1003

They spent around £38m in the summer. 

They sold Maddison for 50 million 

[!james]

3 minutes ago, Ziderarmy said:

They sold Maddison for 50 million 

I know, I was replying to the poster who said they didn't spend millions on new players when they actually did. 

[Ziderarmy]

3 minutes ago, !james said:

I know, I was replying to the poster who said they didn't spend millions on new players when they actually did. 

I was just explaining in general that they’ve not gone mad really. 

[Ostrich]

23 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Brendan Rogers. Say it. 

B*****n ******* R*****s

[BCFC31]

1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I don't agree. They came down and pretty much have the same team this season. Its not like they have gone out and spent tens of millions on new players. Fair play to them.

Surely a wind up ? Not like the players they came down with and kept weren't signed for millions of pounds in the Premier league and put on mega money or anything

[A Horse With No Name]

2 hours ago, BCFC31 said:

Surely a wind up ? Not like the players they came down with and kept weren't signed for millions of pounds in the Premier league and put on mega money or anything

Exactly, but that's how relegation works. You come down with a good side, you will sail straight back up. To say they are playing under different rules to the rest of us is unfair. They only spent money they generated themselves in selling Maddison.

[sticks 1969]

There the Man City of the championship 

can see them breaking a couple of records going on the start they have had 

[Ian M]

4 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Exactly, but that's how relegation works. You come down with a good side, you will sail straight back up. To say they are playing under different rules to the rest of us is unfair. They only spent money they generated themselves in selling Maddison.

As a recently relegated Prem club they get trampoline payments so literally play by different rules to us.

[Nuno Gomes]

58 minutes ago, Ian M said:

As a recently relegated Prem club they get trampoline payments so literally play by different rules to us.

Made me laugh. 

[Baldyman]

They’re operating at an entirely different level to the rest of the division . They actually spent nearly £40m on players for this season and generated over £200m income from sales . Nothing wrong with what they’ve done at all but nothing really highlights the have and have nots more than Leicester in this division! 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Baldyman

[Baldyman]

At they’re current rate of trajectory ( stretching their lead over 3rd by 1.2 points per game on avg) they’ll be officially promoted by the beginning of March

[exAtyeoMax]

9 hours ago, ashton_fan said:

Best start in Div 2 since Bristol City in 1905/06 when we won the league with 30 wins in 38 games .. according to Sky

Would like to see them play each other, a la Harry Enfield style Liverpool v pre war Chelsea, or whoever it was

[Northern Red]

Quite simply the squad they had should never have been in a position to go down, it was better on paper than most if not all of the bottom half of the PL. They've lost some of the better players from it but have replaced them with quality that the rest of our league can only dream of attracting.

[Pezo]

1 hour ago, Baldyman said:

At they’re current rate of trajectory ( stretching their lead over 3rd by 1.2 points per game on avg) they’ll be officially promoted by the beginning of March

I assume that goes for Ipswich as well as they might (hopefully not) have the same points after tonight.

Most teams in this league have had trampoline payments at some point but Ipswich haven't in the last 20 years.

[ExiledAjax]

Classic Championship table right now - I think I've got it right that if we do win tonight, and if that is a better result than both Birmingham and Sunderland achieve, then we go from 12th to 5th (having been 8th on Tuesday morning). We cannot overtake both Preston and Sunderland as they are playing each other.

Equally, if we lose and Hull and Coventry both win, then we slip a little to 14th (last night's results were actually quite kind to us). 

So we could be anywhere* between 5th and 14th come 21:45 tonight. 

*it may not be possible to finish anywhere but I refuse to do that much maths.

[prankerd]

16 minutes ago, Pezo said:

I assume that goes for Ipswich as well as they might (hopefully not) have the same points after tonight.

Most teams in this league have had trampoline payments at some point but Ipswich haven't in the last 20 years.

Looking at their squad, it seems if they dont go up they must have extremely high wages..

[TRL]

Don't rraĺy care for the Leicester bashing, they came down and were dog shite the whole way down, the have sold and added and are dominating.

 

Yes don't agree with the powechute payments , but credit where due, they had their pants pulled down last season and have reacted well, it could have easily gone the other way, and says to me they have bought the right players sho want to fight to get back to the prem.

 

Money or no money, the attitude needs to be right.  And you have to hand it to them.. if it continues 

[Coxy27]

Relative to two other teams - Leeds and Southampton - they're doing pretty well.

Compared to the rest - they're doing about as well as expected. Marginally better maybe.

Daka £23m, Iheanacho £25m, Pereira £22m, Ndidi £17m.

Even the players some might think are their 'cheaper' players like James Justin for example who scored last night. He probably cost way more than anyone we've got.

[BCFCGav]

While it is a little farcical having that team in this league, the upside is they're killing all comers. They're so far clear that it levels out in that everyone loses to them, so for a team like us with play-off aspirations (however realistic) it doesn't change too much. For teams with title aspirations it's less ideal, as there's only one team lifting that trophy in May (or March at this rate!). 

[GrahamC]

41 minutes ago, Coxy27 said:

Relative to two other teams - Leeds and Southampton - they're doing pretty well.

Compared to the rest - they're doing about as well as expected. Marginally better maybe.

Daka £23m, Iheanacho £25m, Pereira £22m, Ndidi £17m.

Even the players some might think are their 'cheaper' players like James Justin for example who scored last night. He probably cost way more than anyone we've got.

Leeds are 3rd, Southampton (even with a fraud like Russell Martin in charge) will go 4th if they win tonight.

I would not be remotely surprised if Leeds overhaul Ipswich & finish second.

Anyone who doesn’t think parachute payments don’t distort everything is deluded.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Best side and tbh best relegated side in some time despite Parachute Payments which obviously can assist greatly.

5th, 8th, 8th, FA Cup and Charity Shield winners and a European semi final in the 3 seasons which came before relegation.

I question to an extent their FFP position to the current season. £83m plus allowables in 3 years- they lost £92.4m before tax, before allowables in 2021-22 and that season included £20m in European revenue.

Fofana and Maddison went for big money in 2022-23 but you have to subtract the remaining book value and sell on fees at the time of disposal.

Likewise Castagne, fee minus remaining book value.

(Barnes plus Schmeichel and Hirst would be pure profit).

Also got to factor in the underlying losses when looking at sales and the degree to which they may offset.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[lcfcFan]

Leicester fan here.

I completely agree with the 'playing in a different league' sentiment, it's absolutely fair enough and yes, we really shouldn't have gone down but you can blame the stupid irish midget for that.

Also note the points about spend this summer, I would say however it's not the first time that amount has been spent in this division, i'd also say it's probably the best it's ever been spent given the players that have been brought in for that money. Sensible transfers that have transformed the team and made us more able to implement this new style.

Just a few retorts though if you'll indulge me...

- It's still quite impressive to implement a completley alien style of play on a set of players that have never even attempted to play this way. The manager has turned N'didi from a close to useless DM into a marauding attacking 8! We've got a right back looking like championship cancelo tucking into midfield and lets not even get started on turning vestergaard around from most hated man in Leicester to first name on the teamsheet .... he's someone whose most notable Leicester appearance last season was for our U21's in a 7-1 defeat to Fulham where he scored an own goal and was at fault for a few of the others!

- You lads aren't exactly averse to spending big cash yourselves, problem is you did it absolutely terribly (sorry...) on the likes of Kalas, Massengo, Diedhiou, Wells, Baker etc etc. So yes, we spent £8m on Coady, but you spent £9m on Kalas! 

 

Anyway, really pleased with your start this season, Nige working miracles given he's being given naff all to spend by your invisible chairman, really hope he gets to invest some Scott money for you in January! To be in the position you're in now with your young squad is something to celebrate for sure!

[Coxy27]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Leeds are 3rd, Southampton (even with a fraud like Russell Martin in charge) will go 4th if they win tonight.

I would not be remotely surprised if Leeds overhaul Ipswich & finish second.

Anyone who doesn’t think parachute payments don’t distort everything is deluded.

Yeah - my point was basically exactly that.

Compare Leicester to the only other teams who are in a similar boat this season... I.e. Relegated last season with years of bunse left to come in.

They're doing alright in that three team mini league.

[MarcusX]

Leicester are the epitome of what can happen if you just flout all FPP rules and the gamble pays off - and then failure of relegation is rewarded with parachute payments 

 

[lcfcFan]

12 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Leicester are the epitome of what can happen if you just flout all FPP rules and the gamble pays off - and then failure of relegation is rewarded with parachute payments 

 

I mean one of the reasons we got relegated (although a good manager would have kept us up) is because we were such sticklers for FFP and didn't spend enough last two seasons. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

34 minutes ago, lcfcFan said:

I mean one of the reasons we got relegated (although a good manager would have kept us up) is because we were such sticklers for FFP and didn't spend enough last two seasons. 

Then again your position to this season.

A £92.4m pre tax loss as of 2021-22 is hardly prudent in a non Covid year. That said Fofana was sold and Maddisom too, plus Castagne, Barnes, Hirst this season m so it's a mixed picture.

[Davefevs]

59 minutes ago, lcfcFan said:

- You lads aren't exactly averse to spending big cash yourselves, problem is you did it absolutely terribly (sorry...) on the likes of Kalas, Massengo, Diedhiou, Wells, Baker etc etc. So yes, we spent £8m on Coady, but you spent £9m on Kalas! 

 

How very dare you!

Those are times I try to wipe from my memory!!!

[redkev]

1 hour ago, lcfcFan said:

Leicester fan here.

I completely agree with the 'playing in a different league' sentiment, it's absolutely fair enough and yes, we really shouldn't have gone down but you can blame the stupid irish midget for that.

Also note the points about spend this summer, I would say however it's not the first time that amount has been spent in this division, i'd also say it's probably the best it's ever been spent given the players that have been brought in for that money. Sensible transfers that have transformed the team and made us more able to implement this new style.

Just a few retorts though if you'll indulge me...

- It's still quite impressive to implement a completley alien style of play on a set of players that have never even attempted to play this way. The manager has turned N'didi from a close to useless DM into a marauding attacking 8! We've got a right back looking like championship cancelo tucking into midfield and lets not even get started on turning vestergaard around from most hated man in Leicester to first name on the teamsheet .... he's someone whose most notable Leicester appearance last season was for our U21's in a 7-1 defeat to Fulham where he scored an own goal and was at fault for a few of the others!

- You lads aren't exactly averse to spending big cash yourselves, problem is you did it absolutely terribly (sorry...) on the likes of Kalas, Massengo, Diedhiou, Wells, Baker etc etc. So yes, we spent £8m on Coady, but you spent £9m on Kalas! 

 

Anyway, really pleased with your start this season, Nige working miracles given he's being given naff all to spend by your invisible chairman, really hope he gets to invest some Scott money for you in January! To be in the position you're in now with your young squad is something to celebrate for sure!

Stop saying nice things about us , you will still get chased over the park   only joking 

[lcfcFan]

9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

How very dare you!

Those are times I try to wipe from my memory!!!

My best mate is one of you so i'm well in with the ins and outs of your recent history 

[Mr Popodopolous]

In fairness to our big spending, that's true.. we're still coming out the other side a bit but there was some bad luck with injuries- Baker and Kalas, and I don't think Lee Johnson was the man to get the best out of thst squad, especially the more expensive players.

Multiple clubs have Parachute Payments but you still have to use them well and tbh Leicester don't look like a typical Championship or even PL relegated side.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[redkev]

9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

In fairness to our big spending, that's true.. we're still coming out the other side a bit but there was some bad luck with injuries- Baker and Kalas, and I don't think Lee Johnson was the man to get the best out of thst squad, especially the more expensive players.

Multiple clubs have Parachute Payments but you still have to use them well and tbh Leicester don't look like a typical Championship or even PL relegated side.

Man City of the championship is how I define them - deffo champions 

Just now, redkev said:

Man City of the championship is how I define them - deffo champions 

Not a bad manager aswell think we all forget that ( like arteta peps apprentice )

[Mr Popodopolous]

12 minutes ago, redkev said:

Man City of the championship is how I define them - deffo champions 

Not a bad manager aswell think we all forget that ( like arteta peps apprentice )

Suspect they may have stayed up last year with say Maresca in charge albeit it's a big counterfactual.

Really they shouldn't have dropped. They looked a bit weaker in some areas but not 8th and Europa Conference League semi final , Charity Shield winner to 18th and relegated.

[lcfcFan]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Suspect they may have stayed up last year with say Maresca in charge albeit it's a big counterfactual.

Really they shouldn't have dropped. They looked a bit weaker in some areas but not 8th and Europa Conference League semi final , Charity Shield winner to 18th and relegated.

I'm fully on the 'we needed to get relegated' side of things.

Allowed us to ship out a lot of players who really didn't want to be here and I thik gives us a year for Enzo to implement his style across the entire club.

Difficult to see from the outside but things were so toxic, we've even been able to get rid of some coaches who have been stinking up the place for years!

Just pleased Southampton didn't manage to persuade Enzo to join them in the Prem last year!

[Guest]

14 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Exactly, but that's how relegation works. You come down with a good side, you will sail straight back up. To say they are playing under different rules to the rest of us is unfair. They only spent money they generated themselves in selling Maddison.

Are you saying that "what football makes, football can spend"?  

[maxjak]

It is interesting to compare the top two teams leading the way at this stage of the season.  Leicester are a Premiership side in all but name,  they have managed to retain  most of their squad, and when some have departed, they have been replaced by expensive quality players.  They are technically superior, and eventually wear down most sides with their ability, skill and undoubted talent.  They are basically loaded with money and quality.

Tonights opponents Ipswich, are a different kettle of fish, they have recruited an excellent young coach, and have built mainly from the lower leagues, with one or two exceptions, by buying an Everton reserve striker for a bargain 1.5 mill and bringing in a couple of premiership loans.  They have in fact spent less than us on transfers, and they are with out doubt the product of excellent coaching and organisation, and they are without any debate.........  far better than the sum of their parts?  They are the type of team that Bristol City aspire to be? , a very well put together, very well coached, co-ordinated football team, built on a reasonable budget, and a complete contrast to the one side presently above them in the table.

It is a great shame that we are facing them with the bare bones of our squad, and without two or three of our most influential players, as, with a fully fit team i would be confident of us giving them a really good contest, however I have my fingers, toes and eyes crossed that we can tonight compete with them..............I am naturally pessimistic, due to supporting City for many years, and can see us losing by the odd goal  , I sincerely hope i am wrong, and our fighting spirit and tenacity can bring us a victory?   PS. Mark Ashton is an egotistical prat.

[MarcusX]

10 hours ago, lcfcFan said:

I mean one of the reasons we got relegated (although a good manager would have kept us up) is because we were such sticklers for FFP and didn't spend enough last two seasons. 

I’m referring to your last 2 seasons in the Championship, the ones you were fined for?

[Bristol Oil Services]

On 24/10/2023 at 22:05, ashton_fan said:

Best start in Div 2 since Bristol City in 1905/06 when we won the league with 30 wins in 38 games .. according to Sky

The best of Bristol City, all before there was even radio coverage, or motor cars. To be a club like Ipswich, with a midweek following like that, we needed that team in the 1960s, or early 70s, as television started to show football. Leeds timed their greatest era perfectly, Liverpool pretty much too.