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Mr Popodopolous

Mr Popodopolous

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4 minutes ago, Banjo Island said:

Very underwhelming pop’s

Massively so Banjo.

My long stated preference was a 3 year deal for NP and a decent chunk of the Scott money across fee, wages and or shock horror loan signings, not too high a % but a reasonable and fair amount.

Perhaps we could have even got Shakespeare and or Walsh in but that's now a pipe dream.

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LondonBristolian

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1 minute ago, Tafkarmlf said:

They obvs read here, Emma Hayes and David Artell making the 25/1 cut 

Wasn't that mad to suggest them 

 

It's really not an inspiring list. I'm not at all certain that Hayes would want to swap Champion's League football for the men's game and I think whichever woman manages in the football league first will have a bit of a poisoned chalice but Christ knows I'd rather we went for someone successful in the women's game over the various people on that list who've failed repeatedly in the men's game. Mark Hughes, Steve Evans, Steve Bruce or Nathan Jones fill me with dread. 

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2 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Nathan Jones gets a decent slug of the Scott money cos he knows how to ‘do a Luton’ (just not a Stoke, Southampton or anywhere else). Couldn’t make it up. 

Even with "doing a Luton", they did even better once they got Rob Edwards in. Quite aside from how dislikable Jones is, I just don't see anything in his track record that suggests he's the right person to get a tune out of our squad. At least with Rowett, I can see a logic, even if I'm not sure I'd enjoy the football. I'd be happier with Eustace out the three but I'd still not fully understand why we wanted him over Pearson. 

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The Swan and Cemetery

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Even with "doing a Luton", they did even better once they got Rob Edwards in. Quite aside from how dislikable Jones is, I just don't see anything in his track record that suggests he's the right person to get a tune out of our squad. At least with Rowett, I can see a logic, even if I'm not sure I'd enjoy the football. 

Of those three, Eustace only, the other two make me reach for the Pepto Bismol. 

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5 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Of those three, Eustace only, the other two make me reach for the Pepto Bismol. 

Rowett is a strange one for me in that I think he would be a good appointment for a lot of Championship level clubs but I’d very much like it to be a club where I don’t regularly watch the actual football…

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Firstly I don’t believe they’ve sacked Nige without a manager lined up to be put in place immediately.  This feels different to the last two sackings.

Therefore this has been in plan for a while.  Sound out options, narrow down, line them up and wait to sack with some kind of “pre-contract” done to make sure nobody else poaches before you can sack the current incumbent.

Get Ipswich and Cardiff out of the way, then act.

I fully expect a new manager in situ before Saturday.

If it isn’t announced until later this week, it’s purely because they are trying to make it look like a really quick search this week.

Announce…..X.

 

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LondonBristolian

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Firstly I don’t believe they’ve sacked Nige without a manager lined up to be put in place immediately.  This feels different to the last two sackings.

Therefore this has been in plan for a while.  Sound out options, narrow down, line them up and wait to sack with some kind of “pre-contract” done to make sure nobody else poaches before you can sack the current incumbent.

Get Ipswich and Cardiff out of the way, then act.

I fully expect a new manager in situ before Saturday.

If it isn’t announced until later this week, it’s purely because they are trying to make it look like a really quick search this week.

Announce…..X.

 

To me, that would point to Eustace as the QPR vacancy would have forced the club to get something finalised…

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Numero Uno

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Nathan Jones would be Steve's last middle finger to the fans before he sells "his" club........................if it happened I think I would actually laugh.

Eustace I could stomach, not so sure about Rowett although you might say it is a safe appointment (in which case why press the button on Nige?) and Jones would just show what an out of touch old dodderer we have pulling the strings..........pour me another gin Mags.

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LondonBristolian

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2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Nathan Jones would be Steve's last middle finger to the fans before he sells "his" club........................if it happened I think I would actually laugh.

Eustace I could stomach, not so sure about Rowett although you might say it is a safe appointment (in which case why press the button on Nige?) and Jones would just show what an out of touch old dodderer we have pulling the strings..........pour me another gin Mags.

This may be wishful thinking on my part but I wonder if Nathan Jones’ name is deliberately being put out there by the club to make whoever we end up with seem more palatable…

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7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Firstly I don’t believe they’ve sacked Nige without a manager lined up to be put in place immediately.  This feels different to the last two sackings.

Therefore this has been in plan for a while.  Sound out options, narrow down, line them up and wait to sack with some kind of “pre-contract” done to make sure nobody else poaches before you can sack the current incumbent.

Get Ipswich and Cardiff out of the way, then act.

I fully expect a new manager in situ before Saturday.

If it isn’t announced until later this week, it’s purely because they are trying to make it look like a really quick search this week.

Announce…..X.

 

Definitely agree,, this has been brewing for weeks, im sure the appointment is lined up, i cant believe it wont be another balls up though!

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Numero Uno

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4 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

This may be wishful thinking on my part but I wonder if Nathan Jones’ name is deliberately being put out there by the club to make whoever we end up with seem more palatable…

The fact it's even put out there is enough for many!! For me, if the next Manager fails, it's 100% on Stevo. In some ways I feel sorry for whoever takes it because he will be arriving to a shit show. Steve is employing the next Manager to achieve our ambitions of getting promoted, that's why he's canned Nige, so that's what he gets judged on..

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Strong preference for Eustace out of the names mentioned so far. 
 

But like most others, I’m pretty gutted to find ourselves in this position. Felt like we were making steady progress and even though it was going to take time, it would eventually work and our fans seemed unusually patient. Sacking Nige is really off. I’m a big defender of SL but this just feels gross. Coming so soon after Phil Alexander leaving too.. clearly there are issues. 
 

It shouldn’t undo all SL has done for us. Which is a lot. But this is so at odds with his usual MO of backing the manager - esp when barely any fans were calling for it. So clearly it’s a personality thing - likely between Nige and JL. 
 

Which is all to say, whoever the new manager is, they have to start against context of barely any fans wanting them to be there. Tough gig. 
 

I’ll back them (a few names aside) - but I was happier with what we had. 

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12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Firstly I don’t believe they’ve sacked Nige without a manager lined up to be put in place immediately.  This feels different to the last two sackings.

Therefore this has been in plan for a while.  Sound out options, narrow down, line them up and wait to sack with some kind of “pre-contract” done to make sure nobody else poaches before you can sack the current incumbent.

Get Ipswich and Cardiff out of the way, then act.

I fully expect a new manager in situ before Saturday.

If it isn’t announced until later this week, it’s purely because they are trying to make it look like a really quick search this week.

Announce…..X.

 

Out of interest, who would you go for?

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Doesn’t matter who’s next, they’ll still have to deal with the interference, ineptitude and incompetence of those above them. 

For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t be all surprised if it’s Nathan Jones given SL’s waxed lyrical about Luton, or Luke Williams at Notts County (ex-City U23 head coach). 

The best man for the job, though, is the one who’s left the building. 

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John Eustace would be one of my more preferred choices did a good job at Brum and look at them since they appointed the "better coach" in Rooney.

Warnock would be a good choice until the end of the sesson. Proven at this level with a budget.

Even someone like Ryan Mason I wouldn't be against.

Jones, Lampard, Gerrard, Cotts, Kennedy, Cowley or anyone like that I couldn't get behind. We need someone who will take us forward and I don't see that being any of them.

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16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Firstly I don’t believe they’ve sacked Nige without a manager lined up to be put in place immediately.  This feels different to the last two sackings.

Therefore this has been in plan for a while.  Sound out options, narrow down, line them up and wait to sack with some kind of “pre-contract” done to make sure nobody else poaches before you can sack the current incumbent.

Get Ipswich and Cardiff out of the way, then act.

I fully expect a new manager in situ before Saturday.

If it isn’t announced until later this week, it’s purely because they are trying to make it look like a really quick search this week.

Announce…..X.

 

Rowett and Eustace only just sacked so not sure if has been a while they are on the list ? 

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Charlie BCFC

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4 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Let’s hear them. Yea or no to who you would want out of these and add any more. Let’s keep them realistic though…not people like Graham Potter! 

John Eustace - yes

Gary Rowett - no

Dean Smith - no

Nathan Jones - no

Michael Beale - maybe

Steve Bruce - no

Scott Parker - no 

Liam Manning - yes

Steven Schaumacher - yes 

Ryan Lowe - maybe 

How in any way is the bottom two realistic? 

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Davefevs

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15 minutes ago, Henry said:

Out of interest, who would you go for?

I believe the standard OTIB response is “it’s not my job to suggest new managers”! 🤣🤣🤣

But FWIW, I dunno, so I really wish Duff had done crap at Swansea and was available.

But in terms of likely options and who I’d pick would be between Rowett and Eustace.  I don’t think either are my ideal man, but in Rowett’s case I’m not one who is just satisfied by attractive football, I don’t mind a hard to beat team, who win a bit ugly.  I posted this earlier:

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This was before Nige was sacked, so that would answer existing staff issues.

Eustace had learned his trade, nice football, so on the flip-side of my Rowett argument, he’ll probably have a lot of support, probably more than Rowett.  But would probably have a harder transition with our squad.

Really tough one.

As per OSIB Twitter Space earlier, no manager is guaranteed.  We will all form our opinions to suit our agendas (not bad agendas).  I’ll get behind whoever, unless is Joey Barton.

Finally, I’ve only just read the announcement in detail.  Fleming appointed Interim HEAD-COACH, so assume we are going for a head-coach.  Don’t think that changes the candidates, but kinda feels like a dig at Nige being MANAGER.

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You Do The Dziekanowski

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Bitterly disappointed, given f all to build the squad. Players seemed to love him. But because he couldn’t magic results with 10 players out injured, against 2 teams who are flying at the moment, that’s it… 

 

but as we now have to do this, I wouldn’t Scott Parker. Got out this league twice and if he’s backed, he has experience in picking up good players

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7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I believe the standard OTIB response is “it’s not my job to suggest new managers”! 🤣🤣🤣

But FWIW, I dunno, so I really wish Duff had done crap at Swansea and was available.

But in terms of likely options and who I’d pick would be between Rowett and Eustace.  I don’t think either are my ideal man, but in Rowett’s case I’m not one who is just satisfied by attractive football, I don’t mind a hard to beat team, who win a bit ugly.  I posted this earlier:

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This was before Nige was sacked, so that would answer existing staff issues.

Eustace had learned his trade, nice football, so on the flip-side of my Rowett argument, he’ll probably have a lot of support, probably more than Rowett.  But would probably have a harder transition with our squad.

Really tough one.

As per OSIB Twitter Space earlier, no manager is guaranteed.  We will all form our opinions to suit our agendas (not bad agendas).  I’ll get behind whoever, unless is Joey Barton.

Finally, I’ve only just read the announcement in detail.  Fleming appointed Interim HEAD-COACH, so assume we are going for a head-coach.  Don’t think that changes the candidates, but kinda feels like a dig at Nige being MANAGER.

I think I read earlier from one of the local reporters, that the Club wanted a more hands on Coach on the training ground, rather than a manager. 

If true, I've got mixed feelings about this. 

Man management especially with the Academy pathway being implemented so much, is essential with ' the kids' imo. Someone who's been there and understands it. 

Not just a coach giving ' tactics' so to speak, and no understanding of the people he's coaching. 

Coaching is one thing ... understanding each individual player, reading them and knowing what's right for them is essential imo. 

 

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Of the names mentioned I'd probably prefer Eustace, but it's not like them arriving will suddenly fix a load of our injury problems, grow the squad, or solves any of the other issues we currently have. We're still going to be in the same position just with a load of added turmoil behind the scenes. I REALLY want to see if they get a load of money magically appear in January / the summer.

I'll still support them and the team, go to the games etc. but I'd be lying if I won't have a pretty bitter taste in my mouth for a while due to the way Pearson was treated. Let's hope this turns out to be a masterstroke by Lansdown... but if it does, I'll be putting it down to luck rather than judgement.

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14 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said:

No, if he goes he’d look for a bigger leap than us imo. Wouldn’t complain at all if we get him though

Plymouth are a small club, we would be a decent step up for him and I’d struggle to see him going to a club bigger than us, and that is not me saying we are a massive club by the way

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Did like the way Brum played against us under Eustace at AG, earlier in the season. I know we didn't really turn up but admire the way they played.

Solid at the back, creativity in the wide areas and getting the best out of certain players like Laird bombing on from fullback and in turn giving Dembele more space on the left. 

Much rather him than any of the others mentioned but echoing sentiments that I wish NP was still turning this ship around. 

Rowett steady but dull and Jones is a basketcase. Hope we stay clear of those. 

Always thought SL was going to wait for Robins to get the chop at Cov but maybe JL has cried to dad a bit too much, who knows. 

Get behind the team and someone try put a blank sheet over the 'Lansdown' part of the Williams Stand.

COYR

 

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I find this whole episode utterly depressing and I’m at a point where I have had enough, until Lansdown departs at least. We’ve all seen this coming for the last week or two but it’s a disgraceful decision and it’s been handled terribly. The incremental improvements made under Pearson may well be lost over the coming months, and whoever the new man is has very little chance with all the injuries we currently have. The players were playing for Nige in close to impossible circumstances.

Even now the dust has settled for a few hours, I am still disgusted with the situation. It’s a mess and the only experienced football man we have at the club now is Tinnion, who is fantastic with the academy but unproven at best as a ‘Technical Director’. As others have said, the fact that we’re looking for a ‘Head Coach’ rather than manager is very telling, and points to a typical yes man style appointment.

I’ve got my season ticket and will be there on Saturday, but I will be loudly voicing my disgust at this whole debacle. I won’t be renewing while Lansdown is still here either. We will never achieve anything tangible while he owns the club. His ego and his complete lack of ability to stop meddling and accept criticism has held us back for years and I for one have had enough. 

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8 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I wouldn't mind seeing an unknown foreign type to shake things up a bit, I don't know who, but the same old British names is so meh

True, but it can be a massive risk if he's no experience of the English football league.

Considering the position we are in, I think I'd prefer someone with a bit of experience of managing in England to be fair.

All about opinions.

 

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I wouldn't mind seeing an unknown foreign type to shake things up a bit, I don't know who, but the same old British names is so meh

I suppose this would be the 'high risk high reward' option.

Comparatively, an option like Rowett would be much safer, but equally you pretty much guarantee that you're not going to end up with anything spectacular.

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6 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

True, but it can be a massive risk if he's no experience of the English football league.

Considering the position we are in, I think I'd prefer someone with a bit of experience of managing in England to be fair.

All about opinions.

 

Yeh I can see that but that's what we had in Nige, I guess no choice is guaranteed to succeed.

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37 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Of the names mentioned I'd probably prefer Eustace, but it's not like them arriving will suddenly fix a load of our injury problems, grow the squad, or solves any of the other issues we currently have. We're still going to be in the same position just with a load of added turmoil behind the scenes. I REALLY want to see if they get a load of money magically appear in January / the summer.

I'll still support them and the team, go to the games etc. but I'd be lying if I won't have a pretty bitter taste in my mouth for a while due to the way Pearson was treated. Let's hope this turns out to be a masterstroke by Lansdown... but if it does, I'll be putting it down to luck rather than judgement.

Well, you say the next candidate wont be able to grow the squad, but let’s look at last time a decent manager was given no money… he was sacked and immediately after the bank of SL opened with happy hour - for 4 whole years. 

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37 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Plymouth are a small club, we would be a decent step up for him and I’d struggle to see him going to a club bigger than us, and that is not me saying we are a massive club by the way

So what do you think of Garry Rowett? Tins and Jon have it seems decided to appoint him. Is this a manger you will get behind, as you hated Nige. Happy? 

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1 minute ago, Fordy62 said:

Well, you say the next candidate wont be able to grow the squad, but let’s look at last time a decent manager was given no money… he was sacked and immediately after the bank of SL opened with happy hour - for 4 whole years. 

This what sticks in my throat. He always backs the wrong horse.

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6 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Yeh I can see that but that's what we had in Nige, I guess no choice is guaranteed to succeed.

True, but we also had a strong character with his own ideas and one who clearly thought that Lansdown was a clueless *****, and unfortunately his boss picked up on it.

I tend to agree with Nigel, and the thing I fear most is another novice.

I think we need experience again, or we could be ******.

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