The Return

[WolfOfWestStreet]

2 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Him, along with Eustace, scream to me that they’re good options because they’re available and free, nkt because they’re what we want and are the best fit. 
 

Would we be trying hard for either if they were still in jobs and we had to pay compensations? I’d be amazed. 

Spot on! The top candidates are employed and cost money to hire, we'll be fishing in the pond of recently sacked and the long term unemployed

 

[ciderwithtommy]

@Bcfcshags hugely appreciate your insight, what a sad state of affairs. One thing I would love to know is how involved / how Nige and BT have been getting along? I’ve heard a few things about BT that aren’t quite as rosy as I would like to hear (what a player he was for us), intrigued to hear your view…

[Silvio Dante]

2 minutes ago, Bcfcshags said:

Yes he is 

To be fair, part of Tinnions job should be identifying available players and presenting them as options so I’m not against that per se. I also think that short term signings may have made sense in view of our injury list, so I can see the logic. It’s not like Nige hasn’t done it before (Klose). That doesn’t get it away from the summer having been a monumental cock up and communication being awful, or that Nige has been shit on royally.

On Tinnion generally, it seems to be that ambition, not for the first time, has outstripped ability. It’s the bloody Peter principle writ large - people being promoted to a level above their competency. That we’ve done it with him twice indicates just how much he is subservient to the Lansdowns. If he had stayed doing what he was good at then I wonder if we’d actually be here…

[1960maaan]

For those questioning whether there would be people interested, the word from the most ITK alien out there....

Frank Lampard FFS, rather have Nathan Jones , well maybe not.

[Northern Red]

9 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Him, along with Eustace, scream to me that they’re good options because they’re available and free, nkt because they’re what we want and are the best fit. 
 

Would we be trying hard for either if they were still in jobs and we had to pay compensations? I’d be amazed. 

No, but then I'm not sure we'd be doing it for anyone who was managing at this level, or even the bigger sides in the division below.

[petehinton]

1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

No, but then I'm not sure we'd be doing it for anyone who was managing at this level, or even the bigger sides in the division below.

Which exactly shows why the “we’re expecting promotion” line is complete shite. If you don’t want to go all out for the best, only the cheapest and quickest, you don’t get the best. 

[Harry]

40 minutes ago, Red Zeppelin said:

Another puzzle in the mix:

* Lansdown DOES want 34 year old free agents to make up numbers on the pitch.

But

* Lansdown DOESN'T want 34 year old Andy King in the starting XI.

Which is it Lansdown? Or just more confusion?

Replace the word Lansdown with the word Tinnion, and your puzzle is solved. 

[mozo]

1 hour ago, Alessandro said:

Yeah I don't want to be too negative because we are, or at least very much should be, an exciting prospect for a new manager. The potential is there.

But for me, if I was a Dean Smith, Chris Wilder or John Eustace etc, i'd be left with a lot of questions about the job - the fact the owners are publicly trying to sell the club, the manner of NP's sacking, the available funds, will they have to continue to sell their best players, the current state of the squad etc etc. The management structure/board of the club would have any top coach concerned IMO - are the right people in the right places to enable them to do their job successfully?

Irony is for all the development we've seemingly made as a club, now we're looking again for a new head coach, I feel like, and SL will find out again, we're still in a position where the best calibre managers at our level would rather stay on gardening leave and hold out for a 'better offer'.  

Again, I hope i'm wrong...

Not to mention the question of how much the board will interfere...

[spudski]

21 minutes ago, Bcfcshags said:

Yes he is 

Which is what I thought.

Maybe the inference of not wanting King involved in certain games, then a list of free agents being offered, was just too much for NP to stomach...

I know I'd be peed off if it was me. 

 The promotion of Tins is coming across more and more like a DOF in disguise...

[Sir Geoff]

46 minutes ago, Red Zeppelin said:

Another puzzle in the mix:

* Lansdown DOES want 34 year old free agents to make up numbers on the pitch.

But

* Lansdown DOESN'T want 34 year old Andy King in the starting XI.

Which is it Lansdown? Or just more confusion?

Change Lansdown to Tinnion and you will be closer to the mark imo.

[Shauntaylor85]

59 minutes ago, Red Zeppelin said:

Another puzzle in the mix:

* Lansdown DOES want 34 year old free agents to make up numbers on the pitch.

But

* Lansdown DOESN'T want 34 year old Andy King in the starting XI.

Which is it Lansdown? Or just more confusion?

SL or Tinnion? 

[Shauntaylor85]

13 minutes ago, spudski said:

Which is what I thought.

Maybe the inference of not wanting King involved in certain games, then a list of free agents being offered, was just too much for NP to stomach...

I know I'd be peed off if it was me. 

 The promotion of Tins is coming across more and more like a DOF in disguise...

He is running the football operations. Getting a bit tired of this, if he was a former Birmingham midfielder would be under massive scrutiny! He was a superb player for the club, he’s in my top 3, but that’s got nothing to do with new position! As accountable as if we had appointed someone like Jason Wilcox. 

[Ian M]

26 minutes ago, Harry said:

Replace the word Lansdown with the word Tinnion, and your puzzle is solved. 

Maybe also change the statements to:

* Tinnion DOESN'T want an opinionated manager with his own views on how the football operations moves forward.

But

* Tinnion DOES want a puppet head coach who will implement Tinnion's own ideas

 

You know, the kind of ideas that worked so well in Tinnion's own managerial career.

[Kingswood Robin]

2 hours ago, Spike said:

Where as almost every fan wants more transparency , another clear case of the board not understanding the fans but then asking we get behind them. They can **** right off at this point. 

They can indeed.

It's like something from a George Orwell novel. The ministry of not very much information states that nobody is allowed to question anything. Just keep on pushing out the message that everything is perfect and we will make a promotion challenge this season.

[LondonBristolian]

1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

This isn’t a pro-Rowett post, but I should point out he did get Derby in the play-offs and was on the verge of doing so with Birmingham City - before being removed in favour of the disastrous Zola.  The only place he totally flopped at was Stoke.

As an appointment it'd be a bit "meh" but we'd have to wait and see what he does here. 

His CV is certainly not a patch on the man he'd be replacing. 

Rowett organises teams well and would make a lot of sense if we wanted to keep being a team that was organised, hard working and tough to score against. I also think he's quite likable and I'd be happy to see him succeed as a manager. The one thing that count against him for me is that I'm not sure I'd enjoy watching the football and that's a big thing for me. But, results-wise, I think he's as good a bet as any out of work manager - although I don't see any options that convince me they'd do better than Pearson. 

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

Rowett organises teams well and would make a lot of sense if we wanted to keep being a team that was organised, hard working and tough to score against. I also think he's quite likable and I'd be happy to see him succeed as a manager. The one thing that count against him for me is that I'm not sure I'd enjoy watching the football and that's a big thing for me. But, results-wise, I think he's as good a bet as any out of work manager - although I don't see any options that convince me they'd do better than Pearson. 

That’s my view too.

I’d much rather Nige had stayed.  That’s an understatement.

But we are getting a new manager (head-coach), and Rowett’s record is good bar his flop at Stoke.  I’m sure if I researched his time there I could come up with mitigations, but that futile, I don’t know the detail, so would be spouting an agenda.

His staff at Millwall are still at Millwall by the seems of it. He didn’t appear to take his Stoke staff with him.

I don’t mind pragmatic football at all, hardworking, hard to beat is ok with me….but it has to come with results, method, consistency. There’s certainly times when I’ve wished we exploited set-pieces better than we have in the past.

 

[Numero Uno]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Replace the word Lansdown with the word Tinnion, and your puzzle is solved. 

Are you seriously suggesting that Nige would get pissed off by a failed Manager who makes it up as he goes along?

[LondonBristolian]

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That’s my view too.

I’d much rather Nige had stayed.  That’s an understatement.

But we are getting a new manager (head-coach), and Rowett’s record is good bar his flop at Stoke.  I’m sure if I researched his time there I could come up with mitigations, but that futile, I don’t know the detail, so would be spouting an agenda.

His staff at Millwall are still at Millwall by the seems of it. He didn’t appear to take his Stoke staff with him.

I don’t mind pragmatic football at all, hardworking, hard to beat is ok with me….but it has to come with results, method, consistency. There’s certainly times when I’ve wished we exploited set-pieces better than we have in the past.

 

This is it - pragmatic football without results is just depressing. But, at the same time, I think we have a squad that a manager can set up to be hardworking and hard to beat and that is arguably what Pearson was doing already. So, whilst I'd rather we weren't recruiting a new manager, and would rather Eustace now that we are, I don't think Rowett is a ridiculous appointment. I can see an argument for how he could succeed here whereas I don't feel I do with, say, Nathan Jones who I feel succeeded at Luton with players with a different set of strengths to what he'd find here and hasn't replicated that elsewhere.*

Re Stoke I've no idea what happened either but you could justifiably include him in a run of four or five managers who've found it harder to succeed at Stoke than they have at other clubs. My feeling is the conditions of the club are closer to Millwall or Birmingham where he did fairly well.

*Whenever think of Nathan Jones, I think of the interview Ashley Williams gave about him not being willing to give Stoke players direction on how he wanted them to play. 

[REDOXO]

7 hours ago, Bcfcshags said:

 

Good morning ladies & Gents. 
 

I thought it would be a good time to jump back on here with all that’s going on. Plenty of speculation and plenty of comments that aren’t a million miles away from the truth. 

Saturday morning I was told if we weren’t to get anything at Cardiff he would be sacked. I was also told that Gary Rowett will be appointed but as I’m aware up untill Saturday he was the only one that’s held talks, but other agents have been sounded out.

The fall out with Pearson has been on going for a number of weeks, it was made clear for everyone to see that there wasn’t going to be a new deal on the table for him and the board started to look elsewhere.

Sunday morning was the final nail in the coffin for Nige when a meeting was held, members of board wanted him to bring or look at free agents, when NP turned round and basically told them to stick it after not having funds to bring in more players in the summer. 
 

Nige has has a great relationship with the players and is very much loved by them, I’m really disappointed as I feel he’s the only relatable person at the club, he gets it, he’s the only person we ever hear from. Gutted to say the least.

 Cheers Shags x

So if I’m reading you correctly, Rowett had a conversation with someone from the club before NP walked/was fired. 
 

The club/board wanted him to bring in free agents, simultaneously Mr Pearson was having his selection of Andy King questioned due to someone wanting him to play another academy player. 
 

Yes very Bristol City

[exAtyeoMax]

2 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

Are you seriously suggesting that Nige would get pissed off by a failed Manager who makes it up as he goes along?

if he was being constantly undermined I expect he would

[Numero Uno]

18 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

if he was being constantly undermined I expect he would

I was being facetious!! On a serious note put yourself in the position of being questioned by a failed manager or an utterly incompetent Chairman (or both) why you are playing Andy King instead of Academy kids and then a few weeks later being asked by the same person(s) to sign Daniel Ayala.....................

If it was you I wouldn't mind betting you would react the same way as me and I wouldn't mind betting that's the same way Nige reacted.

[exAtyeoMax]

2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I was being facetious!! On a serious note put yourself in the position of being questioned by a failed manager or an utterly incompetent Chairman (or both) why you are playing Andy King instead of Academy kids and then a few weeks later being asked by the same person(s) to sign Daniel Ayala.....................

If it was you I wouldn't mind betting you would react the same way as me and I wouldn't mind betting that's the same way Nige reacted.

well yes of course he would, I would too. 

[RedM]

8 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

This isn’t a pro-Rowett post, but I should point out he did get Derby in the play-offs and was on the verge of doing so with Birmingham City - before being removed in favour of the disastrous Zola.  The only place he totally flopped at was Stoke.

As an appointment it'd be a bit "meh" but we'd have to wait and see what he does here. 

His CV is certainly not a patch on the man he'd be replacing. 

Would he be anymore agreeable than Pearson though? He's experienced and wont like any 'guidance'. This is going to be a sticking point for any candidate I believe.

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, RedM said:

Would he be anymore agreeable than Pearson though? He's experienced and wont like any 'guidance', this is going to be a sticking point for any candidate I believe.

 

The sticking point will be "you gotta make do with what you've got and I won't be cracking open any nest egg", I believe. 

[Mr Hankey]

6 minutes ago, RedM said:

Would he be anymore agreeable than Pearson though? He's experienced and wont like any 'guidance'. This is going to be a sticking point for any candidate I believe.

This is why i can’t see it being anybody like Rowett.

Appointing Rowett certainly wouldn’t be the end of the world, despite obviously being dead against Pearson being sacked, but for people saying Rowett would be terrible, be careful what you wish for……these clowns hired LJ & Holden - Rowett is a much better candidate than some we have had in the past & for this reason, i can’t see Lansdown appointing him!

[megansdad]

Chris Wilder would be good if Sheff Utd stories happen to be untrue - though perhaps a bit too much like Nige for the owners.

 

[Northern Red]

4 minutes ago, megansdad said:

Chris Wilder would be good if Sheff Utd stories happen to be untrue - though perhaps a bit too much like Nige for the owners.

 

If his Middlesbrough stint is anything to go by he'd be looking to jump ship at the first sign of something better, he fell out with their owner because he wouldn't give him permission to speak to Burnley about replacing Dyche.

[megansdad]

perhaps but in the interim think he would build on what we have.... even better of course would be if owners saw the strength of support for Nige, realised the error of their ways and asked him back but sadly know that ain't happening.

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, Zuni said:

His leaving Millwall like he did suggests a new challenge was possibly about to become available.

Give it a couple of weeks for the dust to settle, sort out back room staff etc

The other team open up the position and he moves in nice and clean, no compensation.

A scenario that makes sense to me.

But I still feel Luke Williams may be the "dark horse" here.

As per other posts I’m less sure they’ve got their msn at this point….just catching up on the JL / Tinnion interviews.

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

As per other posts I’m less sure they’ve got their msn at this point….just catching up on the JL / Tinnion interviews.

Rowett is not the manager Tinnion described, in my opinion. 

[Northern Red]

5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Rowett is not the manager Tinnion described, in my opinion. 

Agreed. 3 year contract incoming then.

[Kid in the Riot]

16 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Rowett is not the manager Tinnion described, in my opinion. 

I'd have to go back and double check but I'd be willing to bet Dean Holden wasn't the manager described by the club when they were looking for LJ's replacement!

[Major Isewater]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I'd have to go back and double check but I'd be willing to bet Dean Holden wasn't the manager described by the club when they were looking for LJ's replacement!

Of course he was , succession planning writ large. 

[Guest]

Afternoon all, just a small bit of information to share with you regarding the dismissals of Rennie & Euell 

during the recent international break Rennie & Euell decided to give extended breaks to the players. Most went away etc and came back without doing much and went into intensive training hence the list of injuries picked up. Joe Williams is set to be sidelined for around 6-8 weeks (not sure if that’s been posted anywhere)

Nige was off with bad health after a minor operation on his back & having issues with Nerve endings that’s the reason he’s been on crutches. Not sure why Fleming didn’t have a say etc.

[Selred]

4 minutes ago, Bcfcshags said:

Afternoon all, just a small bit of information to share with you regarding the dismissals of Rennie & Euell 

during the recent international break Rennie & Euell decided to give extended breaks to the players. Most went away etc and came back without doing much and went into intensive training hence the list of injuries picked up. Joe Williams is set to be sidelined for around 6-8 weeks (not sure if that’s been posted anywhere)

Nige was off with bad health after a minor operation on his back & having issues with Nerve endings that’s the reason he’s been on crutches. Not sure why Fleming didn’t have a say etc.

Wow very poor. Whose to blame? Players or Rennie?

[BCFCGav]

That poor planning/decision making may well cost us a season. Heads had to roll for it imo.

[petehinton]

10 minutes ago, Bcfcshags said:

Afternoon all, just a small bit of information to share with you regarding the dismissals of Rennie & Euell 

during the recent international break Rennie & Euell decided to give extended breaks to the players. Most went away etc and came back without doing much and went into intensive training hence the list of injuries picked up. Joe Williams is set to be sidelined for around 6-8 weeks (not sure if that’s been posted anywhere)

Nige was off with bad health after a minor operation on his back & having issues with Nerve endings that’s the reason he’s been on crutches. Not sure why Fleming didn’t have a say etc.

If that is the case, why didn’t the entire medical and coaching set up get sacked and wiped off the face of the Earth during the lockdown season?

Feels very off to focus on that vs the rest of the really good medical work that’s been. Gave them a reason/excuse for the sackings, I guess, however small. 

[Bat Fastard]

The counter argument would be that the players needed a good rest after being overplayed due to the fact that our small squad was already severely impacted by injuries.  The players fitness levels appear to be excellent and this must be due to Rennie and his judgement.  Of course, JL would be in a better position to make a decision like this.

[Kid in the Riot]

9 minutes ago, Bcfcshags said:

Afternoon all, just a small bit of information to share with you regarding the dismissals of Rennie & Euell 

during the recent international break Rennie & Euell decided to give extended breaks to the players. Most went away etc and came back without doing much and went into intensive training hence the list of injuries picked up. Joe Williams is set to be sidelined for around 6-8 weeks (not sure if that’s been posted anywhere)

Nige was off with bad health after a minor operation on his back & having issues with Nerve endings that’s the reason he’s been on crutches. Not sure why Fleming didn’t have a say etc.

Yes, most of this was reported by James Piercy yesterday. The players were given 9 days off or something. If you read between the lines of Tinnion's interview, the club are blaming the management team for the high number of injuries. 

The response to that would be that Nige said most (all bar one, I believe) were contact injuries, so how did the training regime contribute to that? 

[TonyTonyTony]

13 minutes ago, Bcfcshags said:

during the recent international break Rennie & Euell decided to give extended breaks to the players. Most went away etc and came back without doing much and went into intensive training hence the list of injuries picked up. Joe Williams is set to be sidelined for around 6-8 weeks (not sure if that’s been posted anywhere)

I suppose with a small squad, you have to let the players rest. Its a difficult balance, but in this case this is very poor from the club. Amateurish, really. Surely their are individual protocols for this based on an individuals fitness profile? For example - we know Joe Williams fitness is made of glass compared to others - surely you would stipulate he does a minimum level when on holiday etc

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Yes, most of this was reported by James Piercy yesterday. The players were given 9 days off or something. If you read between the lines of Tinnion's interview, the club are blaming the management team for the high number of injuries. 

The response to that would be that Nige said most (all bar one, I believe) were contact injuries, so how did the training regime contribute to that? 

Ah never realised that, thanks mate

[petehinton]

4 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

I suppose with a small squad, you have to let the players rest. Its a difficult balance, but in this case this is very poor from the club. Amateurish, really. Surely their are individual protocols for this based on an individuals fitness profile? For example - we know Joe Williams fitness is made of glass compared to others - surely you would stipulate he does a minimum level when on holiday etc

Williams’ injury is a foot injury from a tackle in training apparently. Wouldn’t be linked to fitness, if it was another hamstring tear then maybe 

[Mr Popodopolous]

28 minutes ago, Bcfcshags said:

Afternoon all, just a small bit of information to share with you regarding the dismissals of Rennie & Euell 

during the recent international break Rennie & Euell decided to give extended breaks to the players. Most went away etc and came back without doing much and went into intensive training hence the list of injuries picked up. Joe Williams is set to be sidelined for around 6-8 weeks (not sure if that’s been posted anywhere)

Nige was off with bad health after a minor operation on his back & having issues with Nerve endings that’s the reason he’s been on crutches. Not sure why Fleming didn’t have a say etc.

Excessive rest, into intense training too soon which left them either under cooked or over cooked for 3pm for a Saturday.

Something like?

Were they maybe lacking tailored light but consistent training plans when on break?

Edited November 1, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Ciderarmy23]

21 minutes ago, Bcfcshags said:

Afternoon all, just a small bit of information to share with you regarding the dismissals of Rennie & Euell 

during the recent international break Rennie & Euell decided to give extended breaks to the players. Most went away etc and came back without doing much and went into intensive training hence the list of injuries picked up. Joe Williams is set to be sidelined for around 6-8 weeks (not sure if that’s been posted anywhere)

Nige was off with bad health after a minor operation on his back & having issues with Nerve endings that’s the reason he’s been on crutches. Not sure why Fleming didn’t have a say etc.

Any info on a new manager?

[JP Hampton]

Don’t know much about Rowett, so my question is does he tick the boxes that have been proffered by JL and BT?

 

If not wth is he doing in the mix?

Edited November 1, 2023 by JP Hampton

[Kid in the Riot]

8 minutes ago, JP Hampton said:

Don’t know much about Rowett, so my question is does he tick the boxes that have been proffered by JL and BT?

If not wth is he doing in the mix?

He isn't. 

[JP Hampton]

3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

He isn't. 

Well according to BcfcShags

Saturday morning I was told if we weren’t to get anything at Cardiff he would be sacked. I was also told that Gary Rowett will be appointed but as I’m aware up untill Saturday he was the only one that’s held talks, but other agents have been sounded out.

[Nugget]

5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

He isn't. 

Do you know who is? 

[Kid in the Riot]

2 minutes ago, JP Hampton said:

Well according to BcfcShags

Saturday morning I was told if we weren’t to get anything at Cardiff he would be sacked. I was also told that Gary Rowett will be appointed but as I’m aware up untill Saturday he was the only one that’s held talks, but other agents have been sounded out.

I said exactly the same on Sat night! Just because we've spoken to someone doesn't mean they're going to be appointed.

Subsequently been told that Rowett was never of interest to us so interested on @Bcfcshags thoughts on that. Perhaps the rumour wasn't true.

[JP Hampton]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I said exactly the same on Sat night! Just because we've spoken to someone doesn't mean they're going to be appointed.

Subsequently been told that Rowett was never of interest to us so interested on @Bcfcshags thoughts on that. Perhaps the rumour wasn't true.

Thanks

[Alessandro]

Again - contradictions in the various lines being put out there.

Personally I think given the pretty good record DR had over previous seasons, that this "offence" of giving them a week off to rest, is hardly a sackable offence. Also In JE's case.

Especially when you scrutinise the details - who actually are we talking about getting injured since/during the international break? 

Williams - impact injury in training.

Naismith?

James - impact injury vs Ipswich 

So the reality is the difference between the line ups pre (Leeds) and post (Coventry) last international break was 2 players, Nays and Williams? Doesn't align with the story that the week off has caused more trouble. On the contrary, maybe the rest helped the recovery of others?? Weimann, Conway etc.

Hardly sackable...

Edited November 1, 2023 by Alessandro

[nebristolred]

So we're not being told not Eustace, Rowett nor Williams. Interesting.

[Lew-T]

I swear to god if we’re waiting to pay compensation to Fleetwood…

[Frenchay Red]

4 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Again - contradictions in the various lines being put out there.

Personally I think given the pretty good record DR had over previous seasons, that this "offence" of giving them a week off to rest, is hardly a sackable offence. Also In JE's case.

Especially when you scrutinise the details - who actually are we talking about getting injured since/during the international break? 

Williams - impact injury in training.

Naismith?

James - impact injury vs Ipswich 

So the reality is the difference between the line ups pre (Leeds) and post (Coventry) last international break was 2 players, Nays and Williams? Doesn't align with the story that the week off has caused more trouble. On the contrary, maybe the rest helped the recovery of others?? Weimann, Conway etc.

Hardly sackable...

I agree and I would imagine that they all have their own individual training plans personally tailored to their "numbers".

They're hardly likely to come back from a short term rest and immediately get into high intensity workloads. Light efforts gradually increasing I would have thought. Plus it's not the start of the season, so core fitness shouldn't be an issue.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I said exactly the same on Sat night! Just because we've spoken to someone doesn't mean they're going to be appointed.

Subsequently been told that Rowett was never of interest to us so interested on @Bcfcshags thoughts on that. Perhaps the rumour wasn't true.

Haven’t heard anything on Rowett since my original post mate. I guess if he was the man it would all be pretty much done by now which is clearly isn’t. 
 

must admit il be relieved if you’ve herd he’s not of interest. 

[JP Hampton]

10 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Again - contradictions in the various lines being put out there.

Personally I think given the pretty good record DR had over previous seasons, that this "offence" of giving them a week off to rest, is hardly a sackable offence. Also In JE's case.

Especially when you scrutinise the details - who actually are we talking about getting injured since/during the international break? 

Williams - impact injury in training.

Naismith?

James - impact injury vs Ipswich 

So the reality is the difference between the line ups pre (Leeds) and post (Coventry) last international break was 2 players, Nays and Williams? Doesn't align with the story that the week off has caused more trouble. On the contrary, maybe the rest helped the recovery of others?? Weimann, Conway etc.

Hardly sackable...

  Fair shout. Especially as 3 months training should (as is the universally accepted standard approach), be followed by a week off.  There’s no way those players wouldn’t have been given a programme of tailored, light exercise. Otherwise after every summer break all teams would be having the same problems. 
 
It sounds more likely that, that was a convenient excuse to get rid of them. 

[Merrick's Marvels]

2 minutes ago, JP Hampton said:

It sounds more likely that, that was a convenient excuse to get rid of them. 

No shit! The failed manager (it's "technical" mate) has come up with more poison or deluded thinking. Take your pick. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[JP Hampton]

Just now, Merrick's Marvels said:

No shit! The failed manager has come up with more poison or deluded thinking. Take your pick. 

?

[Alessandro]

7 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

I agree and I would imagine that they all have their own individual training plans personally tailored to their "numbers".

They're hardly likely to come back from a short term rest and immediately get into high intensity workloads. Light efforts gradually increasing I would have thought. Plus it's not the start of the season, so core fitness shouldn't be an issue.

 

4 minutes ago, JP Hampton said:

  Fair shout. Especially as 3 months training should (as is the universally accepted standard approach), be followed by a week off.  There’s no way those players wouldn’t have been given a programme of tailored, light exercise. Otherwise after every summer break all teams would be having the same problems. 
 
It sounds more likely that, that was a convenient excuse to get rid of them. 

Out of emojis - but absolutely this. 

They wouldn't have all just gone on holiday - they would have been in the gym and light training.

It's the kind of thing you review and learn from, not fire good people for....

Edited November 1, 2023 by Alessandro

[JP Hampton]

1 minute ago, JP Hampton said:

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Sorry just reread

1 minute ago, Alessandro said:

 

Out of emojis - but absolutely this. 

It's the kind of thing you review and learn from, not fire good people for....

Absolutely!

[Street red]

23 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Again - contradictions in the various lines being put out there.

Personally I think given the pretty good record DR had over previous seasons, that this "offence" of giving them a week off to rest, is hardly a sackable offence. Also In JE's case.

Especially when you scrutinise the details - who actually are we talking about getting injured since/during the international break? 

Williams - impact injury in training.

Naismith?

James - impact injury vs Ipswich 

So the reality is the difference between the line ups pre (Leeds) and post (Coventry) last international break was 2 players, Nays and Williams? Doesn't align with the story that the week off has caused more trouble. On the contrary, maybe the rest helped the recovery of others?? Weimann, Conway etc.

Hardly sackable...

It's called managing the players properly tinman needed to keep his nose out. This is why brown noses like him won't move this club forward.

[JP Hampton]

2 minutes ago, Street red said:

It's called managing the players properly tinman needed to keep his nose out. This is why brown noses like him won't move this club forward.

It just gets worse and worse doesn’t it!

[Roger Red Hat]

Just now, Zuni said:

Just to look at this from a different angle -

Previous Manager had to deal with a horrendous injury crisis, Rolls and the medical team blamed by just about everybody.

NP brings in his own "elite" medical team, injury pile up is at least as bad if not worse than before but not their fault.

Truth somewhere in the middle would be my guess.

As has been repeatedly stated, one set of injuries  were caused by in game contact the other injuries were not!

[Eddie Notgetinya]

It can’t be Rowett - his teams don’t play how the hierarchy dictate they must  

[Merrick's Marvels]

9 minutes ago, Eddie Notgetinya said:

It can’t be Rowett - his teams don’t play how the hierarchy dictate they must  

And he doesn't strike me as a Yes man or someone happy to have Tinnion looking over his shoulder, day and night, going "Ooh, you don't wanna do it like that" like that annoying Harry Enfield character 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[exAtyeoMax]

56 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

 

Out of emojis - but absolutely this. 

They wouldn't have all just gone on holiday - they would have been in the gym and light training.

It's the kind of thing you review and learn from, not fire good people for....

Was any of them on international duty? Did they pick up  injuries then?

[Davefevs]

All I’ll add to this debate is that over the last few days I’ve had lots of tit-bits of info shared.  Some from reliable people, some not.  Some said to be from inside the club, some from the usual “I know the grandad of the bloke on the gate” type source.

There appears to be a “PR machine” out there imho creating a “back-story” that makes Nige’s sacking (and Rennie and Euell’s too) sound completely justified.  That’s not defending Nige nor defending the sackings, because the things I’ve heard from one person contradict someone else’s story, but still with a view to undermining Nige (and his team).

When the Chairman gives an interview without explanations, it allows that PR machine to create the reasons.  I’m sure there are some bits of truth in there, but if you create enough different negative stories / rumours, and push them out there, you’ll change the consensus of opinion, or at least start getting people to question it.

It all feels a bit convenient to me!

 

[Shauntaylor85]

3 hours ago, nebristolred said:

So we're not being told not Eustace, Rowett nor Williams. Interesting.

Had heard Williams and Manning were of interest. Perhaps they are going to go for someone more established and surprised at applications. Who knows, what a week! Totally unnecessary and unwelcome distraction from two winnable games. 

[Glen hump]

2 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Had heard Williams and Manning were of interest. Perhaps they are going to go for someone more established and surprised at applications. Who knows, what a week! Totally unnecessary and unwelcome distraction from two winnable games. 

Not sure williams in the running.

[Red Exile]

The whole thing feels to me like the sort of amateur night fiasco we more usually associate with goings on at our traditional rivals.

You sack one of the more respected managers in the game, who has delivered - or is in the process of delivering - on a tough brief - and enjoys huge popularity amongst your fan base. But then you can't get your story straight on why you've done it, you have no one credible to front up and take responsibility, you don't have anyone to replace him and can't convincingly explain the process or criteria for finding the replacement. Which you must anticipate will be a problem because you've got form in this area and it's happened many times before.

It's pathetic. Now I've often scratched my head on discovering someone perfectly rational and respectable is a Rovers supporter, asking myself how they can possibly want to be associated with such tinpot losers. I have a horrible creeping feeling that anyone looking from the outside at the Lansdown's Bristol City would conclude that we're not much better.