Tinns Speaks

[exAtyeoMax]

So it was the plan all along to promote "one of our own" in Tins? I mean, a lot of clubs do it. Chelsea tried with Lampard. There's probably more who have been successful that I can't name.  Does he have the right credentials for the job? Only time will tell. 

COYRs.

[TheReds]

1 hour ago, Tafkarmlf said:

See we're still on the 'classy' responses

Maybe go and have a read back at your own responses to fellow City fans.

Passive aggressive, condescending at every opportunity, and quite frankly no better than what you are accusing others of. 

[38MC]

2 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

See we're still on the 'classy' responses

'thick'

'cant spell'

And whatever else has been chucked at him with gay abandon.

But then also a machivelian mastermind who's orchestrated a coup by usurping Nige.

This saga is definitely bringing out the worst in people and still it continues with terms of personal abuse for someone doing their job. 

Wonder where today will end up going 

You can be inarticulate and a Machiavellian mastermind - the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I would suggest it appears the saga has definitely brought out the worst in Tinnion. He's trashed his reputation that he had done a very good job of rebuilding after his disastrous spell as manager, and his collective actions with the Lansdown's has threatened to derail a train that was most definitely nudging forward. 

SL said judge me on Tinnion - he's having another bite at that cherry as a backseat manager and in doing so we have cast aside someone not only best placed and qualified to do the job, but was also doing it well enough for the substantial majority. 

No wonder few have anything nice to say on him. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by 38MC

[bearded_red]

It’s good that someone that can’t even be bothered to watch us play feels the need to drop in and give us their clearly well informed and very interesting pearls of wisdom.

[lenred]

3 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

It’s good that someone that can’t even be bothered to watch us play feels the need to drop in and give us their clearly well informed and very interesting pearls of wisdom.

All the while having a break from ‘footy’ apparently.

[bearded_red]

Just now, lenred said:

All the while having a break from ‘footy’ apparently.

Doing us a favour, whatever would we do without having to read some incredibly boring and patronising ramblings.

All while trying to hide the obvious dislike for Nige that was expressed time and time again for those of us fortunate to have memories longer than a goldfish.

[chinapig]

16 minutes ago, 38MC said:

SL said judge me on Tinnion

Did we ever get to do that? I don't recall.

Did he publicly apologise and admit he got it wrong? Again I don't recall.

Has he ever admitted to making any mistakes? Again etc.

After all admitting your mistakes is a strength that powerful people seem to see as a weakness.

[The chief]

15 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

I’m furious as anyone about Pearson’s sacking and I think my other posts will bear that out but there are two things in this topic I do slightly disagree with.

1) the idea they it is an inherently terrible thing that we have a Technical Director/DoF-type figure who ensures that what the manager is doing fits in with the club’s wider strategy. 
 

I actually think - in principle - that is a good thing and leaves us much better protected if a manager suddenly leaves as it means - in theory - we’re not constantly rebuilding from scratch when the manager changes. Obviously we will see in the coming weeks what happens in practice but I do think the shambolic succession of managers between GJ and Cotts shows why there need to be someone who is not the manager ensuring consistency.

2) the idea that Brian Tinnion is a terrible choice for Technical Director due to lack of experience. He is an ex player who has spent the last 15 years working in backstage strategy roles in football. I think his background suits the role far more than someone who has not worked in football or someone who has only coached or managed - which is very different to working on the strategy side.

Don’t get me wrong - my view is sacking Pearson is a terrible decision and Tinnion may well be completely unsuitable for the job he is doing. But I don’t think the actual job is a bad thing so much as the execution of it and I think an ex footballer who has worked in football development roles is as suited as anyone to do it, even if it turns out Tinnion’s personal attributes mean he is wrong for the job despite relevant experience.

 

PS for clarity, I think Pearson had a far better strategic overview of the club than Tinnion, the board, the owner or anyone I can remember at the club for a long time. But I think that is very unusual in a manager and you generally need a Technical Director or Director of Football as most managers are much more short termist.

Agreed. Would be a positive outcome to have sone continuity of approach, thanks to the culture and standards developed by Nige but also involving  tins (in terms of an academy pathway and integration) and others such as RG, the senior players and the coaching staff. 

A lot of mentions of that Swansea game getting on for 20 years ago, which really isn’t relevant to Tins current role or our position.  Some of the posts do have a touch of a mob witch hunt about them imo, like a Monty python sketch- burn ‘im!!!! Folks digging into his LinkedIn profile and that. 

one of the genuine success of the club in recent times is the Academy and Tins, to his credit, has played a big part in this- of course not as big a part of Nige who actually gave so many of our talented youngsters an opportunity and a first team environment in which to flourish!

Also, our appalling injury crisis does merit deep scrutiny - it’s far worse than other teams, so it’s right that this is analysed in depth. Needs some critical and measured analysis and it’s not wrong to raise it imo.

The Rennie replacement is obviously also a crucial hire. Can we get that right?! 

[LondonBristolian]

2 minutes ago, The chief said:

Agreed. Would be a positive outcome to have sone continuity of approach, thanks to the culture and standards developed by Nige but also involving  tins (in terms of an academy pathway and integration) and others such as RG, the senior players and the coaching staff. 

A lot of mentions of that Swansea game getting on for 20 years ago, which really isn’t relevant to Tins current role or our position.  Some of the posts do have a touch of a mob witch hunt about them imo, like a Monty python sketch- burn ‘im!!!! Folks digging into his LinkedIn profile and that. 

one of the genuine success of the club in recent times is the Academy and Tins, to his credit, has played a big part in this- of course not as big a part of Nige who actually gave so many of our talented youngsters an opportunity and a first team environment in which to flourish!

Also, our appalling injury crisis does merit deep scrutiny - it’s far worse than other teams, so it’s right that this is analysed in depth. Needs some critical and measured analysis and it’s not wrong to raise it imo.

The Rennie replacement is obviously also a crucial hire. Can we get that right?! 

This is a good post.

Ultimately we don't know everything that goes on at the club. The way Pearson spoke convinced me he thought deeply about the club and had a clear vision for success but I can't say with 100% certainty whether our training methods are a factor in our injuries and whether we'd therefore do better with another manager.

I'm massively sceptical about most of the claims Jon Lansdown and Tinnion made - i.e. that we spent enough in the summer and everyone was happy or that we should be higher up the table and that a new manager would achieve that - but there is a possibility that they do know something I don't and our results will improve. (As long as they're also prepared to take responsibility for a poor decision if our results get worse) 

Even if Jon Lansdown and Brian Tinnion were originally appointments were made on nepotism - which is hard to dispute in the former case - they're now pushing on 30 years of experience between them. I'm not saying that I think Jon Lansdown is a good Chairman - from the outside, I'd say the opposite but accept I don't know for sure - but he's certainly not an inexperienced one. And, much as I'm sure egos are involved, I'd imagine both honestly think they are doing the best thing for the club. I think it is a massive problem if people see critical voices inside the club as a problem and I've significant concerns about the decision made this week and our wider structure but I don't think bad decision making or underhand behaviour necessarily equates to indifference and, in this case, I certainly don't think it can be put down to inexperience.

[Alessandro]

2 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

See we're still on the 'classy' responses

'thick'

'cant spell'

And whatever else has been chucked at him with gay abandon.

But then also a machivelian mastermind who's orchestrated a coup by usurping Nige.

This saga is definitely bringing out the worst in people and still it continues with terms of personal abuse for someone doing their job. 

Wonder where today will end up going 

I agree there are too many personal attack on here at the moment but I do feel the vast majority of posts are sensible debate based around 'performance' rather than 'personalities'.

However; not as a justification, but discussion point - the disdain with which Lansdown(s) and Tinnion have treated the fans (or should I say customers) with the - strong words but a spade's a spade - lies and arrogance of a) their words and actions and b) those 2 awful, awful statement interviews - frankly if that's the way you treat people, you set yourself for it.

[Red-Robbo]

6 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I have seen this, but have not mentioned it as I believe BT should be judged on what he brings to the footballing side of the club rather than his academic ability or lack thereof.

Nevertheless, I should have thought that someone within the Club's hierarchy might have brought it to his attention, although, judging by the standard of their own site, perhaps they just hadn't noticed. 

Brian Tinnion - Tecknical Director Bristol City Fc

I was a proffesional footballer for 20 years and played 767 professional games. Starting at Newcasle United then Bradford City then Bristol City were I played 551 games worked as a coach then managed the 1st team. I've now been at Bristol City as Director of Youth Recruitment for a year having returned from Spain last May, In Spain I scouted for Everton for 5 years watching la Liga and championship games in Spain and also ran an Academy over there with 10 teams in Spanish leagues with a mix of both spainish and English players from 8 to 19.

 

And now folk are calling him a "snayk".

Anyway, leaving aside his written English, I suppose the nuance is whether he is fearful of losing his job and was told to do the video to support the management position. At 55 and settled back in the area, he probably wants City to be his last employer before retirement. You might say it's cowardly not to stand up for Pearson in that way, but how many of us have resigned our jobs when a colleague has been unfairly treated?

Of course, if he has been one of the instigators of Pearson's heave-ho, then he's either horribly Machiavellian or thick (or both).  There's a world of difference between saying to NP "Really do you reckon Kingy at centre back? Knight-Lebel is more than ready to step up in my view" and going to Jon (or Steve) Lansdown and saying "Nigel's f-ing it all up! He's playing people out of position and he won't give the academy boys a chance to show what they can do!"

Unlike some on this thread, I think Tins does deserve some credit for his work with the academy (not to mention his sterling efforts when a player for us). IF he's engineered this sacking so he can be a de facto DoF then he's a backstabber and beyond contempt. Lansdown should remember how poor a manager Tinnion made - wedded to playing his friends and unable to adapt the side to adjust to circumstances. However, there is an IF there. 

[TDarwall]

The bit I struggle with is that Tinnion seemed to be delighted how much Pearson has supported the academy. I can't recall a manager more ready to use the youngsters, at one point we played Scott & Benarous as a pair or wingbacks

Just based on the evidence, you'd think he'd be an advocate of Pearson.  

[the1stknowle]

16 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

I’m furious as anyone about Pearson’s sacking and I think my other posts will bear that out but there are two things in this topic I do slightly disagree with.

1) the idea they it is an inherently terrible thing that we have a Technical Director/DoF-type figure who ensures that what the manager is doing fits in with the club’s wider strategy. 
 

I actually think - in principle - that is a good thing and leaves us much better protected if a manager suddenly leaves as it means - in theory - we’re not constantly rebuilding from scratch when the manager changes. Obviously we will see in the coming weeks what happens in practice but I do think the shambolic succession of managers between GJ and Cotts shows why there need to be someone who is not the manager ensuring consistency.

2) the idea that Brian Tinnion is a terrible choice for Technical Director due to lack of experience. He is an ex player who has spent the last 15 years working in backstage strategy roles in football. I think his background suits the role far more than someone who has not worked in football or someone who has only coached or managed - which is very different to working on the strategy side.

Don’t get me wrong - my view is sacking Pearson is a terrible decision and Tinnion may well be completely unsuitable for the job he is doing. But I don’t think the actual job is a bad thing so much as the execution of it and I think an ex footballer who has worked in football development roles is as suited as anyone to do it, even if it turns out Tinnion’s personal attributes mean he is wrong for the job despite relevant experience.

 

PS for clarity, I think Pearson had a far better strategic overview of the club than Tinnion, the board, the owner or anyone I can remember at the club for a long time. But I think that is very unusual in a manager and you generally need a Technical Director or Director of Football as most managers are much more short termist.

Completely agree with this. 

I’d go even further and say that the evidence Tinns is unsuitable for the job has been conflated with him being caught up in this odd messaging around the sacking. By and large he’s doing a good job given the hand dealt. And so often on this forum, people bemoan lack of input from ‘football people’. But does anyone on this forum honestly think they know more about football than Tinns? 

I’ve never felt more confident in the quality of player we are bringing in for the money we are spending. The current hit rate is very good. And obviously we have all seen the current academy hit rate and quality. There was a time when Dan Cole’s and Aaron Brown were as good as it got every decade or so  

Tinns seems to be doing a really decent job. And if he has footballing opinions that differ from manager, it is entirely right he voices those. That is literally the job. (so long as manager remains in final control of team). 
 

And I say all that while acknowledging the decision on Nige is wrong and the half assed messaging around it which is leaving out a lot of stuff we would all rather club were up front about is patronising and disrespectful to fans. 
 

But I still think it’s fine for Tinns to have his own opinions, in keeping with his job, that differ from Nige. And that doesn’t make him a snake, rat, grass or any of the other grim shouts currently directed at him. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by the1stknowle

[Alessandro]

9 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

And now folk are calling him a "snayk".

Anyway, leaving aside his written English, I suppose the nuance is whether he is fearful of losing his job and was told to do the video to support the management position. At 55 and settled back in the area, he probably wants City to be his last employer before retirement. You might say it's cowardly not to stand up for Pearson in that way, but how many of us have resigned our jobs when a colleague has been unfairly treated?

Of course, if he has been one of the instigators of Pearson's heave-ho, then he's either horribly Machiavellian or thick (or both).  There's a world of difference between saying to NP "Really do you reckon Kingy at centre back? Knight-Lebel is more than ready to step up in my view" and going to Jon (or Steve) Lansdown and saying "Nigel's f-ing it all up! He's playing people out of position and he won't give the academy boys a chance to show what they can do!"

Unlike some on this thread, I think Tins does deserve some credit for his work with the academy (not to mention his sterling efforts when a player for us). IF he's engineered this sacking so he can be a de facto DoF then he's a backstabber and beyond contempt. Lansdown should remember how poor a manager Tinnion made - wedded to playing his friends and unable to adapt the side to adjust to circumstances. However, there is an IF there. 

I do feel a bit sorry for Tinnion TBH - Clearly a Bristol City man through and through, in large part due to the fact that the vast majority of his footballing life has been at BCFC.

But there's the problem - good player, failed (badly) manager. Little CV outside our club and what the fans see is him working his way up the greasy pole and it looks like more cronyism, something that is cancerous at this club under SL.

Suddenly he's going from being co-host of Robins TV and being the go to man for youth prospect info and development...to being instrumental in firing one of the most popular managers for decades, and people are rightly asking, hang on, how did that happen. Has he earned that? Clearly many think, no.

Pearson vs. Tinnion on footballing matters...sorry there's only one winner. 

A very harsh lesson these past two weeks for Tinnion that with power comes responsibility and consequences.

[Red-Robbo]

2 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

I do feel a bit sorry for Tinnion TBH - Clearly a Bristol City man through and through, in large part due to the fact that the vast majority of his footballing life has been at BCFC.

But there's the problem - good player, failed (badly) manager. Little CV outside our club and what the fans see is him working his way up the greasy pole and it looks like more cronyism, something that is cancerous at this club under SL.

Suddenly he's going from being co-host of Robins TV and being the go to man for youth prospect info and development...to being instrumental in firing one of the most popular managers for decades, and people are rightly asking, hang on, how did that happen. Has he earned that? Clearly many think, no.

Pearson vs. Tinnion on footballing matters...sorry there's only one winner. 

A very harsh lesson these past two weeks for Tinnion that with power comes responsibility and consequences.

 

That suggests he is definitely instrumental in the firing.  Doing some daft video, that effectively says nothing, isn't proof of that.  Unless we were privy to the actual conversations, we cannot know.  At best, all BT is guilty of is moral cowardice. He didn't stick up for Nigel enough, make his case to the owner. Potentially, because he was worried about his own job security.  I've been there. Saw a colleague unfairly blamed for something (while the real culprits were forgiven) and demoted and effectively constructively dismissed by management. Moaned a bit behind the scenes but didn't rock the boat too much with the decision maker as I didn't want to follow my colleague out of the door, 

[Alessandro]

11 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

That suggests he is definitely instrumental in the firing.  Doing some daft video, that effectively says nothing, isn't proof of that.  Unless we were privy to the actual conversations, we cannot know.  At best, all BT is guilty of is moral cowardice. He didn't stick up for Nigel enough, make his case to the owner. Potentially, because he was worried about his own job security.  I've been there. Saw a colleague unfairly blamed for something (while the real culprits were forgiven) and demoted and effectively constructively dismissed by management. Moaned a bit behind the scenes but didn't rock the boat too much with the decision maker as I didn't want to follow my colleague out of the door, 

Yes this is very true - could well be self-preservation.

When the, absolutely spot on, rumours about NP's sacking, even down to the timing of it - were starting to appear on OTIB weeks before the event....so too were very strong rumours, from the same sources, that Tinnion was briefing against NP, at the time along the lines of "he never comes to training anymore...". 

So I think a few are inclined to believe that too, given the rest was all true - yeah we don't know if he was leading or following though, but he is a key (one of 3) part of the process, that's the job he took.

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Alessandro

[the1stknowle]

18 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

I do feel a bit sorry for Tinnion TBH - Clearly a Bristol City man through and through, in large part due to the fact that the vast majority of his footballing life has been at BCFC.

But there's the problem - good player, failed (badly) manager. Little CV outside our club and what the fans see is him working his way up the greasy pole and it looks like more cronyism, something that is cancerous at this club under SL.

Suddenly he's going from being co-host of Robins TV and being the go to man for youth prospect info and development...to being instrumental in firing one of the most popular managers for decades, and people are rightly asking, hang on, how did that happen. Has he earned that? Clearly many think, no.

Pearson vs. Tinnion on footballing matters...sorry there's only one winner. 

A very harsh lesson these past two weeks for Tinnion that with power comes responsibility and consequences.

But he’s not a radio co host is he. And there is ample evidence that he has done well in the footballing jobs he has been given over last several years.
 

Unless you are saying it is pure coincidence that we have gone from never producing a youth asset who does anything with their career to a fairly consistent pipeline of players of interest to top flight  

I don’t get these straw man arguments. Can people not disagree with Tins without rewriting history and saying he’s done nothing for club since they brought him back? 

[Alessandro]

1 minute ago, the1stknowle said:

But he’s not a radio co host is he. And there is ample evidence that he has done well in the footballing jobs he has been given over last several years.
 

Unless you are saying it is pure coincidence that we have gone from never producing a youth asset who does anything with their career to a fairly consistent pipeline of players of interest to top flight  

I don’t get these straw man arguments. Can people not disagree with Tins without rewriting history and saying he’s done nothing for club since they brought him back? 

I think you've put a few words in my mouth there.

As I said, I feel for him - he clearly has played a big role, alongside many others, in finally getting our academy sorted and up and running and producing at the levels it should have 10/15 years ago. No one is taking that away from him.

My question would be, does that qualify him for the role he's now in? Personally i'd like a more ambitious appointment - but as always, we wait and see and time will tell, as it always does in the end what his legacy will ultimately be. 

[Kibs]

I’m not in anyway defending the interview by Tinnion, it was rotten, and like the Lansdown video, I’d have much preferred they had just come out and said the relationship had broken down etc.

I do however, think people need to consider the fact that his unsuccessful foray into management was 20 years ago. 

It’s very possible (in fact very likely!) that he has learnt a thing or two in those 20 years, including from the likes of Nigel Pearson, and that he might do a decent job in this role. 

And whether his actions are well founded or not, he probably does want Bristol City to be successful!!

[Alessandro]

4 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Agree with part 1

Completely disagree with part 2

Lies and arrogance are subjective as nothings been proven and it's been hearsay rumours and conspiracy .

There's no justification for the personal crap thrown about on here towards him, even if you don't think he's good at his job.

There's no decorum on the forum in large parts and there's more than one way to skin a cat fans are absolutely better than this.

Agree apart from bold part. Those following OTIB for the last 2 weeks (or even following the club for the last 20 years!) have seen everything that has panned out called virtually to the day - there is more than enough information out there to blow holes in what SL and the board are saying vs. doing...again.

[the1stknowle]

4 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

I think you've put a few words in my mouth there.

As I said, I feel for him - he clearly has played a big role, alongside many others, in finally getting our academy sorted and up and running and producing at the levels it should have 10/15 years ago. No one is taking that away from him.

My question would be, does that qualify him for the role he's now in? Personally i'd like a more ambitious appointment - but as always, we wait and see and time will tell, as it always does in the end what his legacy will ultimately be. 

No words put in your mouth at all. I actually left out your worst words to give you benefit of the doubt. 
 

Re does that qualify him - if I do well in my job, I get promoted. And if I do well in that role, I get promoted again. That is what qualifies you for the next job up. And that is exactly what he’s done. He was not handed on a plate the technical director job. He’s progressed on merit. And now in role, time will tell if he’s qualified. But what would show him as unqualified is if he was too scared to voice his own football opinions. 

[Red-Robbo]

23 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Yes this is very true - could well be self-preservation.

When the, absolutely spot on, rumours about NP's sacking, even down to the timing of it - were starting to appear on OTIB weeks before the event....so too were very strong rumours, from the same sources, that Tinnion was briefing against NP, at the time along the lines of "he never comes to training anymore...". 

So I think a few are inclined to believe that too, given the rest was all true - yeah we don't know if he was leading or following though, but he is a key (one of 3) part of the process, that's the job he took.

 

 

TBH I don't mind Tinnion being part of the head coach recruitment process. Can you imagine if Jon L and Gavin Marshall were the only people with input in that? Who'd the board by themselves appoint? The tea lady probably!  

[BigTone]

3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

TBH I don't mind Tinnion being part of the head coach recruitment process. Can you imagine if Jon L and Gavin Marshall were the only people with input in that? Who'd the board by themselves appoint? The tea lady probably!  

I can confirm the Tea Lady has declined as she feels over qualified for the role.

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, BigTone said:

I can confirm the Tea Lady has declined as she feels over qualified for the role.

 

Knowing Bristol Sport, she's probably called the Hot Beverage Provision Executive Officer.

[The Original OTIB]

11 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Knowing Bristol Sport, she's probably called the Hot Beverage Provision Executive Officer.

Vice President.

[Ian M]

Moving forward it seems Tinnion will assume responsibility for our style of play, recruitment/retention, culture of the club and our new HC will be responsible for preparing the players for matches and the technical area on matchdays. It seems that Tinnion will be assuming much of what Nigel did and is our defacto new manager.

[Alessandro]

49 minutes ago, the1stknowle said:

No words put in your mouth at all. I actually left out your worst words to give you benefit of the doubt. 
 

Re does that qualify him - if I do well in my job, I get promoted. And if I do well in that role, I get promoted again. That is what qualifies you for the next job up. And that is exactly what he’s done. He was not handed on a plate the technical director job. He’s progressed on merit. And now in role, time will tell if he’s qualified. But what would show him as unqualified is if he was too scared to voice his own football opinions. 

Just for clarity, what were my "worst words"? 

And also can you find the point where I said BT has "done nothing for the club since he's been brought back"?

So yes, you have put words in my mouth.

You may be annoyed with people giving Tinnion abuse, you seem very protective of him, fine - but I am not one of those people giving him personal abuse, i've actively it actually. So go and reply to those people directly about that if you want, not me.

This is a BCFC football forum, all i'm doing is debating the job he's doing at BCFC and the quality of his opinion. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Alessandro
Thank you Ian M

[Red-Robbo]

19 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Moving forward it seems Tinnion will assume responsibility for our style of play, recruitment/retention, culture of the club 

 

TBF he doesn't say that in the video, just repeats what NP before him has said about our preferred style of play. Nor has anyone from the board or the owner confirmed that this is what his role is.

[Homer Simpson]

Apparently BT and JL will both have input with the new coach.

 

[Ska Junkie]

1 minute ago, Homer Simpson said:

Apparently BT and JL will both have input with the new coach.

 

To be fair, I thought that was BT yesterday.

[Ian M]

10 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Just for clarity, what were my "worst words"? 

And also can you find the point where I said BT has "done nothing for the club since he's been brought back"?

So yes, you have put words in my mouth.

You may be annoyed with people giving Tinnion abuse, you seem very protective of him, fine - but I am not one of those people giving him personal abuse, i've actively condoned it actually. So go and reply to those people directly about that if you want, not me.

This is a BCFC football forum, all i'm doing is debating the job he's doing at BCFC and the quality of his opinion. 

*condemned

(Condoned means you approve of it)

[Alessandro]

3 minutes ago, Ian M said:

*condemned

(Condoned means you approve of it)

 Run out of emoji's again - thank you!!

[the1stknowle]

44 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Just for clarity, what were my "worst words"? 

And also can you find the point where I said BT has "done nothing for the club since he's been brought back"?

So yes, you have put words in my mouth.

You may be annoyed with people giving Tinnion abuse, you seem very protective of him, fine - but I am not one of those people giving him personal abuse, i've actively it actually. So go and reply to those people directly about that if you want, not me.

This is a BCFC football forum, all i'm doing is debating the job he's doing at BCFC and the quality of his opinion. 

I’m not getting into an internet back and forth on the ‘point to where I said blah’. They never end well. 
 

it’s not just you I’m picking up and agree you are more measured than the real name calling posts. And yes, I am annoyed by those as I don’t think they are properly justified yet apart from by hearsay and echo chamber. And I think they go hand in hand with belittling a man who clearly cares about this club more than most, clearly knows a lot about football, and has played a leading part in turning our awful youth dev around. 
 

But I would say phrases like ‘to suddenly go from radio co host’ and ‘lies and arrogance’ go beyond an objective critique of his job performance. I know you will disagree with that. 

But again, not particularly singling you out.  I’m really against all this personal and professional abuse of a man I think deserves a lot more respect, who loves the club and is obviously so proud of the youth pathway. But all that aside, a man that has done a good professional job in each role he’s been given in recent years and so has earned promotions  

Not really much more to say as I know I won’t change minds of those who have decided Tinns is some kind of cancer in the club. And I’m similarly unlikely to change my mind and suddenly start thinking that he is. 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by the1stknowle

[TonyTonyTony]

8 minutes ago, the1stknowle said:

 a man I think deserves a lot more respect, who loves the club and is obviously so proud of the youth pathway. But all that aside, a man that has done a good professional job in each role he’s been given in recent years and so has earned promotions

Agreed, and if he has done a good job at the academy he deserves credit. However, the day after Pearson is sacked he pops up in a much bigger role than the one announced in November. The TD role put him in charge of recruitment and the academy. 24 hours after NP is sacked he the new head coach reports to him and he sets the footballing philosophy for the entire club. Does that not smell a bit?

[SecretSam]

1 hour ago, Ian M said:

Tinnion...is our defacto new manager.

Well, it went swimmingly before

[Alessandro]

44 minutes ago, the1stknowle said:

I’m not getting into an internet back and forth on the ‘point to where I said blah’. They never end well. 

In this case it won't end well for you because I haven't said what accused me of, as you've now realised. But let's leave that there now...
 

it’s not just you I’m picking up and agree you are more measured than the real name calling posts. And yes, I am annoyed by those as I don’t think they are properly justified yet apart from by hearsay and echo chamber. And I think they go hand in hand with belittling a man who clearly cares about this club more than most, clearly knows a lot about football, and has played a leading part in turning our awful youth dev around. 

Agreed he's done a great job in terms of the academy, along side others. Recruitment, along side others work, has had a better focus and is less scattergun - although the success of it, we are yet to fully see. Signs are good. The crown jewels however, future nest eggs if you like, are still the academy players at the moment...
 

But I would say phrases like ‘to suddenly go from radio co host’ and ‘lies and arrogance’ go beyond an objective critique of his job performance. I know you will disagree with that. 

The radio show was reference to fans perception of him. It is a fact that it was on RobinsTV that fans saw and heard from Tinnion the most, unless it was to do with the academy.

R.E Lies and Arrogance - referring to both JL and BT - I presume you haven't seen the 'Prince Andrew' esque interviews they did?

But again, not particularly singling you out.  I’m really against all this personal and professional abuse of a man I think deserves a lot more respect, who loves the club and is obviously so proud of the youth pathway. But all that aside, a man that has done a good professional job in each role he’s been given in recent years and so has earned promotions  

Yep again, agree, he has done an excellent job with the academy and I am more than happy with him staying there, or with his role in recruitment for now. The issue for me, and for others who've replied to you - is the recent promotion. And the manner of it.

We've gone from 2 very highly qualified and experienced CEO's - one left us for a very high level national job, the other with years of premier league experience, fired after 3 months. 

This job, key key job, CEO - is then seemingly not advertised and Tinnion is shuffled upwards/sideways into a morphed version of it - in a manner that smacks of Lansdown cronyism - has he earned a shot at the job? Maybe, but in any other world, in such a high level role, you advertise and interview other people and pick the best candidate. Then it's earned IMO.  But in this case, for me it's the potential to be Holden all over again, let's see how it works out this time. I'd love to be wrong.

Not really much more to say as I know I won’t change minds of those who have decided Tinns is some kind of cancer in the club. And I’m similarly unlikely to change my mind and suddenly start thinking that he is. 

Haven't seen anyone calling him a cancer at the club - the cronyism certainly is, but not Tinnion. I don't doubt his work ethic or love of BCFC and for that I hope it works out - but as I say, the manner of the reshuffles and his alleged involvement in Pearson's sacking leaves me with more questions than answers.

 

 - replied within

[the1stknowle]

45 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Agreed, and if he has done a good job at the academy he deserves credit. However, the day after Pearson is sacked he pops up in a much bigger role than the one announced in November. The TD role put him in charge of recruitment and the academy. 24 hours after NP is sacked he the new head coach reports to him and he sets the footballing philosophy for the entire club. Does that not smell a bit?

But smell of what? That this is all Tinnion pushing self advancement and power grab? As opposed to a genuine attempt to do what right for club, right or wrong. 

I guess time will tell. 
 

I don’t want to go all in on defence as I hate the decision and the comms around it is risible. Including Tins interview. That was a mistake unless the club gives him free rein to speak openly. 
it’s the personal abuse of a man I think deserves better I am against. And the rewriting of history that Tinns is a football know nothing by people who clearly know less about football than Tinns. 
 

But say decision is right and new coach does well and football improves, is Tins right? Or is he still a snake for those who think that? 

I would add that I think that is optimistic. And no matter what, the lack of credit and acknowledgment of what Nige has done to build foundations is indefensible. 
 

[Atticus]

2 hours ago, Ian M said:

Moving forward it seems Tinnion will assume responsibility for our style of play, recruitment/retention, culture of the club and our new HC will be responsible for preparing the players for matches and the technical area on matchdays. It seems that Tinnion will be assuming much of what Nigel did and is our defacto new manager.

This is completely unacceptable for me. 

 

Good luck to you that think otherwise.

Been there and done that with a . 

I'm not supporting the second version. 

[TonyTonyTony]

44 minutes ago, the1stknowle said:

And no matter what, the lack of credit and acknowledgment of what Nige has done to build foundations is indefensible. 
 

Certainly agree with you on that. It shows a complete lack of class. Id have expected it from JL because he has zero EQ, but presumably BT and NP worked very closely over the last 24 months. To not give thanks / credit is piss poor.

[Crimson Crayola]

1 hour ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Agreed, and if he has done a good job at the academy he deserves credit. However, the day after Pearson is sacked he pops up in a much bigger role than the one announced in November. The TD role put him in charge of recruitment and the academy. 24 hours after NP is sacked he the new head coach reports to him and he sets the footballing philosophy for the entire club. Does that not smell a bit?

Perhaps it's a case of the Landsdown's finally realising its about the process. Steve's favourite clubs got to where they are with philosophies that span many years and in some cases multiple managers. With a figure like BT in his new role (which supposedly comes with less pressure and demands to succeed in the short term) such a philosophy could be established and bear fruit?
(I still think Nige was the best man to get us there mind).

[TonyTonyTony]

6 minutes ago, Just8 said:

Perhaps it's a case of the Landsdown's finally realising its about the process. Steve's favourite clubs got to where they are with philosophies that span many years and in some cases multiple managers. With a figure like BT in his new role (which supposedly comes with less pressure and demands to succeed in the short term) such a philosophy could be established and bear fruit?
(I still think Nige was the best man to get us there mind).

Well, the "process" of recruiting the replacement for LJ was a basket case. Lets hope they have learned. As for finally adopting a philosophy - its only taken 20 years. Lets see if they stick to it - i have my doubts. Lansdown has more flop flops on his CV than the CEO of Havaianas

[Crimson Crayola]

6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Well, the "process" of recruiting the replacement for LJ was a basket case. Lets hope they have learned. As for finally adopting a philosophy - its only taken 20 years. Lets see if they stick to it - i have my doubts. Lansdown has more flop flops on his CV than the CEO of Havaianas

True, and perhaps I'm expecting too much of Steve. Either way, I hope BT has got some balls, because no-one else has been able to stop Steve from flip flopping.

[Philly The Kid]

Now added to the corporate matchday menu...
The Bristol City City Caesar Salad, Nigel Peason edition..... 

[Ska Junkie]

Purely from a devil's advocate view point, could it be that BT is being lined up as the fall guy in all this by those above?

Excellent at running the academy but being hung out to dry where the new role is concerned?

Just throwing it out there.

[Davefevs]

5 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

TBH I don't mind Tinnion being part of the head coach recruitment process. Can you imagine if Jon L and Gavin Marshall were the only people with input in that? Who'd the board by themselves appoint? The tea lady probably!  

As an advocate for a “football-man” somewhere between manager / head-coach and board, I’m perfectly happy with Tinnion.  When Holden was appointed I wondered if Tinnion could help provide the buffer between Dean and Ashton.  That wasn’t implemented.

I would be a hypocrite if I back-tracked on that set-up now.

It is clear from the meetings we (Harry, me etc) had with RG and SG (Gilhespy), which were pre-Tinnion’s promotion to Technical Director that Nige drove a lot of the football strategy, Gould drove the operational / football-finance / compliance strategy side of it…and I suspect there were some disagreements in there.  Sat in the middle but intrinsically linked was recruitment, requiring balance on both sides.  But Nige defined the types of player he wanted, RG facilitated the financial jigsaw, SG found the players (others chipped in with their recommendations too).  Tinnion’s input as Academy Director was sought too, for his General talent ID skills, but also the challenge on Academy Pathway.

What we now get to see is Tinnion perform, without Gould and Pearson driving it.  That’s a very big shift in resources!

He will of course be supported by Rawcliffe and Marshall instead of Gould and “new man” instead of Pearson.  But he is now the one under the spotlight.

It may be his time to shine.  We will get to find out

5 hours ago, the1stknowle said:

No words put in your mouth at all. I actually left out your worst words to give you benefit of the doubt. 
 

Re does that qualify him - if I do well in my job, I get promoted. And if I do well in that role, I get promoted again. That is what qualifies you for the next job up. And that is exactly what he’s done. He was not handed on a plate the technical director job. He’s progressed on merit. And now in role, time will tell if he’s qualified. But what would show him as unqualified is if he was too scared to voice his own football opinions. 

I wanted to to reply to @Red-Robbo’s post before yours, even though he posted after yours, because I wanted to set the scene of Tinnion’s role and involvement and his progression to TD first.

I don’t actually subscribe to your view that you do well you get promoted.  That very much assumes that the the job you’ve been promoted too requires the same skills and competencies.

Should the best salesman be promoted to sales manager for example.  Sales Manager is a different ball game.

My job is a Business Analyst.  If I was a permie, a promotion in the organisation I work would be Senior Business Analyst.  But that role isn’t about being a better, more skilled Business Analyst, it’s more of a management job, managing the Business Analyst, a different skillset.  It helps to have been a Business Analyst to understand the tasks, critique their work, etc, but it’s not necessarily the natural progression it appears.

What do you do btw?

Secondly, do you promote and then see if they’re qualified, as you suggest with Tinnion?  Or do you wait to see whether they’ve “got it” (the skills and competencies) first.  In some cases it’s fine to let someone learn on the job, but we can see why we often see people promoted outside of their level of competence.

[Glen hump]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

As an advocate for a “football-man” somewhere between manager / head-coach and board, I’m perfectly happy with Tinnion.  When Holden was appointed I wondered if Tinnion could help provide the buffer between Dean and Ashton.  That wasn’t implemented.

I would be a hypocrite if I back-tracked on that set-up now.

It is clear from the meetings we (Harry, me etc) had with RG and SG (Gilhespy), which were pre-Tinnion’s promotion to Technical Director that Nige drove a lot of the football strategy, Gould drove the operational / football-finance / compliance strategy side of it…and I suspect there were some disagreements in there.  Sat in the middle but intrinsically linked was recruitment, requiring balance on both sides.  But Nige defined the types of player he wanted, RG facilitated the financial jigsaw, SG found the players (others chipped in with their recommendations too).  Tinnion’s input as Academy Director was sought too, for his General talent ID skills, but also the challenge on Academy Pathway.

What we now get to see is Tinnion perform, without Gould and Pearson driving it.  That’s a very big shift in resources!

He will of course be supported by Rawcliffe and Marshall instead of Gould and “new man” instead of Pearson.  But he is now the one under the spotlight.

It may be his time to shine.  We will get to find out

I wanted to to reply to @Red-Robbo’s post before yours, even though he posted after yours, because I wanted to set the scene of Tinnion’s role and involvement and his progression to TD first.

I don’t actually subscribe to your view that you do well you get promoted.  That very much assumes that the the job you’ve been promoted too requires the same skills and competencies.

Should the best salesman be promoted to sales manager for example.  Sales Manager is a different ball game.

My job is a Business Analyst.  If I was a permie, a promotion in the organisation I work would be Senior Business Analyst.  But that role isn’t about being a better, more skilled Business Analyst, it’s more of a management job, managing the Business Analyst, a different skillset.  It helps to have been a Business Analyst to understand the tasks, critique their work, etc, but it’s not necessarily the natural progression it appears.

What do you do btw?

Secondly, do you promote and then see if they’re qualified, as you suggest with Tinnion?  Or do you wait to see whether they’ve “got it” (the skills and competencies) first.  In some cases it’s fine to let someone learn on the job, but we can see why we often see people promoted outside of their level of competence.

Spot on Dave as usual.

[stortfordred]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

What we now get to see is Tinnion perform, without Gould and Pearson driving it.  That’s a very big shift in resources!

 

That's as big a shift, if not bigger, than the Scott/Semenyo shift in resources. We didn't replace those two with similar quality; what could lead us to believe that we will replace Gould and Pearson with better quality?

I'm less optimistic than you, Dave. I can't see a Postecoglou like Ange(l) coming to save our board.

[Red-Robbo]

12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

As an advocate for a “football-man” somewhere between manager / head-coach and board, I’m perfectly happy with Tinnion.  When Holden was appointed I wondered if Tinnion could help provide the buffer between Dean and Ashton.  That wasn’t implemented.

I would be a hypocrite if I back-tracked on that set-up now.

It is clear from the meetings we (Harry, me etc) had with RG and SG (Gilhespy), which were pre-Tinnion’s promotion to Technical Director that Nige drove a lot of the football strategy, Gould drove the operational / football-finance / compliance strategy side of it…and I suspect there were some disagreements in there.  Sat in the middle but intrinsically linked was recruitment, requiring balance on both sides.  But Nige defined the types of player he wanted, RG facilitated the financial jigsaw, SG found the players (others chipped in with their recommendations too).  Tinnion’s input as Academy Director was sought too, for his General talent ID skills, but also the challenge on Academy Pathway.

What we now get to see is Tinnion perform, without Gould and Pearson driving it.  That’s a very big shift in resources!

He will of course be supported by Rawcliffe and Marshall instead of Gould and “new man” instead of Pearson.  But he is now the one under the spotlight.

It may be his time to shine.  We will get to find out

 

I guess when the new HC is appointed, we'll see just exactly how much of an ongoing role Brian actually has. I would imagine at some time a new CEO will also be appointed. Finding a decent one with football experience is probably tougher than finding prospective head coaches!

My post was to agree with your contentions - made earlier and eminently sensible - that we have at least one person who has some knowledge of the game sitting in on coaching/managerial appointments. Some Otibers have persuaded themselves that BT is the devil incarnate already, but even were that so, he has at least played a bit.  

Be nice if they sought some independent football advice as well.  Perhaps, had they done that a month or so ago, Nigel would still be here. 

[Superjack]

29 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

What we now get to see is Tinnion perform, without Gould and Pearson driving it. 

It's a shame you didn't post this yesterday. 

Scariest ****ing thing I have ever heard in my life.

[GrahamC]

2 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Purely from a devil's advocate view point, could it be that BT is being lined up as the fall guy in all this by those above?

Excellent at running the academy but being hung out to dry where the new role is concerned?

Just throwing it out there.

No.

He’s a major player in all this.

SL has checked out, so do you honestly think JL could be driving all this?

Seriously?

Tinnion has gone from the bloke who looks after the players on loan, to being in charge of recruitment to now effectively being our head of all football operations.

Does that sound like “being hung out to dry”?

More like climbing the career ladder until you effectively have the same power as Mark Ashton once did.

With Alexander gone we don’t even have a CEO to challenge him now, either.

[Mr Popodopolous]

22 minutes ago, stortfordred said:

That's as big a shift, if not bigger, than the Scott/Semenyo shift in resources. We didn't replace those two with similar quality; what could lead us to believe that we will replace Gould and Pearson with better quality?

I'm less optimistic than you, Dave. I can't see a Postecoglou like Ange(l) coming to save our board.

Here is a depressing prediction incoming.

We get a yes man, or a young rising coach but not a good one, the spending taps turn on and we push a bit but ultimately don't hit top 6.

We then end up where we were in 2021 but cannot attract a Gould and Pearson..FFP failed or relegation follows or both.

Rawcliffe, Tinnion and some rookie manager are basically tasked with seeing us fall into line with FFP while staying a Championship side.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[mozo]

48 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

As an advocate for a “football-man” somewhere between manager / head-coach and board, I’m perfectly happy with Tinnion.  When Holden was appointed I wondered if Tinnion could help provide the buffer between Dean and Ashton.  That wasn’t implemented.

I would be a hypocrite if I back-tracked on that set-up now.

It is clear from the meetings we (Harry, me etc) had with RG and SG (Gilhespy), which were pre-Tinnion’s promotion to Technical Director that Nige drove a lot of the football strategy, Gould drove the operational / football-finance / compliance strategy side of it…and I suspect there were some disagreements in there.  Sat in the middle but intrinsically linked was recruitment, requiring balance on both sides.  But Nige defined the types of player he wanted, RG facilitated the financial jigsaw, SG found the players (others chipped in with their recommendations too).  Tinnion’s input as Academy Director was sought too, for his General talent ID skills, but also the challenge on Academy Pathway.

What we now get to see is Tinnion perform, without Gould and Pearson driving it.  That’s a very big shift in resources!

He will of course be supported by Rawcliffe and Marshall instead of Gould and “new man” instead of Pearson.  But he is now the one under the spotlight.

It may be his time to shine.  We will get to find out

I wanted to to reply to @Red-Robbo’s post before yours, even though he posted after yours, because I wanted to set the scene of Tinnion’s role and involvement and his progression to TD first.

I don’t actually subscribe to your view that you do well you get promoted.  That very much assumes that the the job you’ve been promoted too requires the same skills and competencies.

Should the best salesman be promoted to sales manager for example.  Sales Manager is a different ball game.

My job is a Business Analyst.  If I was a permie, a promotion in the organisation I work would be Senior Business Analyst.  But that role isn’t about being a better, more skilled Business Analyst, it’s more of a management job, managing the Business Analyst, a different skillset.  It helps to have been a Business Analyst to understand the tasks, critique their work, etc, but it’s not necessarily the natural progression it appears.

What do you do btw?

Secondly, do you promote and then see if they’re qualified, as you suggest with Tinnion?  Or do you wait to see whether they’ve “got it” (the skills and competencies) first.  In some cases it’s fine to let someone learn on the job, but we can see why we often see people promoted outside of their level of competence.

I actually suggested Tinnion as a DoF on this ere forum a while back and weirdly, he's almost there. 

His new role will bring heat. Let's see what he's got.

[Davefevs]

32 minutes ago, stortfordred said:

That's as big a shift, if not bigger, than the Scott/Semenyo shift in resources. We didn't replace those two with similar quality; what could lead us to believe that we will replace Gould and Pearson with better quality?

I'm less optimistic than you, Dave. I can't see a Postecoglou like Ange(l) coming to save our board.

I have neither optimism nor pessimism at the mo’…because I don’t know who is coming in.

I have open-minded naivety!

 

[Norn Iron]

12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

I have open-minded naivety!

 

I think I have that on vinyl!

Great album from a 70s prog band ....or should've been!

[mozo]

13 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I have neither optimism nor pessimism at the mo’…because I don’t know who is coming in.

I have open-minded naivety!

 

I'm going for a healthy dose of pessimism based on the track record of our inglorious leaders.

[Superjack]

27 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I have neither optimism nor pessimism at the mo’…because I don’t know who is coming in.

I have open-minded naivety!

 

There is no optimism or pessimism under the Lansdowns. 

There is just blind following, keeping your mouth shut and stumping up you hard earned... 

... or there is realism, and saying "sell up and **** off".

[Ivorguy]

1 hour ago, mozo said:

I actually suggested Tinnion as a DoF on this ere forum a while back and weirdly, he's almost there. 

His new role will bring heat. Let's see what he's got.

We’ve already seen once; and once was more than enough

[the1stknowle]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

As an advocate for a “football-man” somewhere between manager / head-coach and board, I’m perfectly happy with Tinnion.  When Holden was appointed I wondered if Tinnion could help provide the buffer between Dean and Ashton.  That wasn’t implemented.

I would be a hypocrite if I back-tracked on that set-up now.

It is clear from the meetings we (Harry, me etc) had with RG and SG (Gilhespy), which were pre-Tinnion’s promotion to Technical Director that Nige drove a lot of the football strategy, Gould drove the operational / football-finance / compliance strategy side of it…and I suspect there were some disagreements in there.  Sat in the middle but intrinsically linked was recruitment, requiring balance on both sides.  But Nige defined the types of player he wanted, RG facilitated the financial jigsaw, SG found the players (others chipped in with their recommendations too).  Tinnion’s input as Academy Director was sought too, for his General talent ID skills, but also the challenge on Academy Pathway.

What we now get to see is Tinnion perform, without Gould and Pearson driving it.  That’s a very big shift in resources!

He will of course be supported by Rawcliffe and Marshall instead of Gould and “new man” instead of Pearson.  But he is now the one under the spotlight.

It may be his time to shine.  We will get to find out

I wanted to to reply to @Red-Robbo’s post before yours, even though he posted after yours, because I wanted to set the scene of Tinnion’s role and involvement and his progression to TD first.

I don’t actually subscribe to your view that you do well you get promoted.  That very much assumes that the the job you’ve been promoted too requires the same skills and competencies.

Should the best salesman be promoted to sales manager for example.  Sales Manager is a different ball game.

My job is a Business Analyst.  If I was a permie, a promotion in the organisation I work would be Senior Business Analyst.  But that role isn’t about being a better, more skilled Business Analyst, it’s more of a management job, managing the Business Analyst, a different skillset.  It helps to have been a Business Analyst to understand the tasks, critique their work, etc, but it’s not necessarily the natural progression it appears.

What do you do btw?

Secondly, do you promote and then see if they’re qualified, as you suggest with Tinnion?  Or do you wait to see whether they’ve “got it” (the skills and competencies) first.  In some cases it’s fine to let someone learn on the job, but we can see why we often see people promoted outside of their level of competence.

 

There is def no assumption from me that a career pathway contains jobs that have same skills and competencies. Businesses need to create pathways to retain talent, not put ceilings over people.  A promotion nearly always involves new skills, often that are very different from previous roles. But you identify talent and grow them. In so doing, you stretch them. 

So your question ‘do you promote and then wait to see if they are qualified?’ is, to me, a false framing. I understand why you asked it that way and appreciate what you’re getting at. But, yes, in a sense you do often promote people before they are ‘qualified’. (Assuming you don’t mean formal qualifications). Its about identifying talent and capacities and then having a confidence that someone has the skills, ethic and capacity to grow into a new role. No guarantees. but no guarantees the other way either. Esp in football. Is Zidane qualified to manage Real if pirlo is not qualified to manage juve? I’m sure people that wanted to make the argument that one was, one wasn’t, could retrospectively make a case why ZZ was qualified and Pirlo wasn’t. But no one is accurately making the case prospectively. 

Anyway, I’m not sure it’s useful to go down a rabbit hole of discussion about  how to promote and retain talent.  My point is a more general one in reaction to a strain of posts I’ve seen in last few days: Brian Tinnion is not a football know nothing. In each role at City since he came back, he has proven himself so it’s not an outrage or cronyism or because he’s a snake, a grass, or a sycophant that he holds a senior football position at this club, and there should be an element of respect if he holds a different football opinion to someone else on the football side. What in your opinion is a qualifying career path for a DoF or Technical Director? Is Tinn’s elevation that unreasonable compared to the career path of others in similar roles at  other clubs?

Whether he is making the right calls, I’m not arguing about. Whether long term he grows into this more senior position, I have no idea. Whether, if it is true that he is now assuming a more expansive role than previously outlines, that is in best interests of club, I have no idea. And I’m definitely not saying you have called him any of the names above, although I get the impression from your post, maybe unfairly, you are not that enamoured with him.  

But I’ve been as disgusted by various comments about someone who I think deserves much more respect from fans of this club, as I have been about the decision to get rid of Nige. Hence being compelled to write much more than I usually do on this particular topic. Not expecting to change minds (ya man posting snake emojis will continue posting his emojis.)
 

And certainly not wanting to defend any aspect of this total shower from the club. But I am wanting to defend Tinns a bit. 

 

[Davefevs]

@the1stknowle ta for reply. Lots to agree with. I’m not bashing Tins either.  

[reddoh]

4 hours ago, Philly The Kid said:

Now added to the corporate matchday menu...
The Bristol City City Caesar Salad, Nigel Peason edition..... 

nice set of knives if only i was Julius Caesar

[Red Army 79]

On 31/10/2023 at 10:04, CyderInACan said:

 

Just listened to this interview again.

Front Foot Football

High Intensity Football

Use of Academy

I take it this style of play has also been discussed with Manning?

Edited March 2 by Red Army 79