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15 minutes ago, Harry said:

There is a fair amount of chat about Eustace and the job he did at Brum in “difficult” circumstances. 
 

Here’s some context. He spent more than Pearson has. 
 

Last season, supposedly under some sort of embargo, he was able to sign 2 youngsters from Prem clubs for around £2m, 2 experienced prem players on frees and then add a further 6 prem loans - and they don’t come cheap! 
 

This summer, he’s been allowed to spend around £5m or so on 4 players from Prem clubs plus signings from Germany and Belgium. He also added Bielek from Derby on a free and then further supplemented with 4 more loans (again, they don’t come cheap). 
 

So, he’s spent more than Nige was given over the last 2 summers and also made 11 loan signings (we are apparently against these!) and also a couple of good pickups from Europe (again we don’t like to do this any more). 
 

So, given that we don’t have any budget, and if we did, we don’t tend to sign loans, don’t tend to dip into the European market and also don’t tend to look at Prem youngsters since our Chelsea experiences of a few season past, I wonder what his remit is going to be? 
 

In summary, Eustace finished below us last season and was only a couple of points better off this season, having spent more money and relied on a shed full of loanees. 
 

Whilst we are saying we are recruiting to a certain style, and the boss must fit this, his 15 months in management seem to suggest he’ll be after something completely different to what we’re saying we’ll give him. 

Interesting. He certainly will have to work with different ‘tools’ here if what Tinnion is saying is actually to be believed and that is our concrete plan going forward.

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3 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Harry, have you not watched Tins' interview? Recruitment isn't necessary when whenever you need a player, there will be someone in the Academy who has been playing "our way" for 3 years already. It's genius and definitely not gonna fail.

Just looking at the EFL trophy scores and most of the prem U21 teams (Spurs, Man City and Man Utd tonight) are getting beaten by league one and two teams on the regular. So when (if) we play a team consisting of mainly u21s against championships teams what result should we expect? Tinnion and JL need to wake up.

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16 minutes ago, Harry said:

There is a fair amount of chat about Eustace and the job he did at Brum in “difficult” circumstances. 
 

Here’s some context. He spent more than Pearson has. 
 

Last season, supposedly under some sort of embargo, he was able to sign 2 youngsters from Prem clubs for around £2m, 2 experienced prem players on frees and then add a further 6 prem loans - and they don’t come cheap! 
 

This summer, he’s been allowed to spend around £5m or so on 4 players from Prem clubs plus signings from Germany and Belgium. He also added Bielek from Derby on a free and then further supplemented with 4 more loans (again, they don’t come cheap). 
 

So, he’s spent more than Nige was given over the last 2 summers and also made 11 loan signings (we are apparently against these!) and also a couple of good pickups from Europe (again we don’t like to do this any more). 
 

So, given that we don’t have any budget, and if we did, we don’t tend to sign loans, don’t tend to dip into the European market and also don’t tend to look at Prem youngsters since our Chelsea experiences of a few season past, I wonder what his remit is going to be? 
 

In summary, Eustace finished below us last season and was only a couple of points better off this season, having spent more money and relied on a shed full of loanees. 
 

Whilst we are saying we are recruiting to a certain style, and the boss must fit this, his 15 months in management seem to suggest he’ll be after something completely different to what we’re saying we’ll give him. 

Seems to me whoever comes in will just be there to coach the team, and then be the fall guy for any failures. Sounds like Tinnion is calling all the shots. Manager in all but name, but far enough away to dodge the bullets. 

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2 minutes ago, bristol red said:

I have been a city fan since early 1970’s and this is by far the worst time to be a supporter. Got a fantasist owner, nowhere to be heard, his son as chairboy who hasn’t an effing clue about anything in the real world let alone anything football and then a clown who used to hit a few nice balls with his left foot that is now the DOF or whatever name he wants to call himself! Got rid of the best manager we could possibly hope to get us to the premiership. It’s all an absolute joke.

80-82 much worse than this ......

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9 minutes ago, bristol red said:

If coming here happy to work restrained under JL and BT unrealistic expectations to succeed then fair play to him… joke of a club

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Given up on a result but any chance if a shot on target? Embarrassing

 

Blimey- you also clearly thought it was a joke of a club when we played Birmingham in 2021 when Nigel was not quite so popular with you!

P.s @lenred did you see what I did there?!!

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I know very little of Eustace, but long term does it even matter what coach we end up with? Eustace, Ancelotti, Guardiola?

They’d all have to work under the Lansdowns, meaning they’d get backed for a bit, get worse for a bit, and just when you thought they couldn’t possibly balls it all up again…..catastrofu*k

SL should be knighted for his ability to snatch disaster from the jaws of progress.

I just can’t see any way that City will sustainably progress over the next however many seasons with them at the helm. Got 20 years of proof to back that, and a catalogue of repeated basic errors of chronic mis-management. 

Not felt so dis-interested in it all for as long as I can remember 

 

 

 

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Just now, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

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Given up on a result but any chance if a shot on target? Embarrassing

 

Blimey- you also clearly thought it was a joke of a club when we played Birmingham in 2021 when Nigel was not quite so popular with you!

P.s @lenred did you see what I did there?!!

Ive literally no idea!  But I’m sure you’ll elaborate 😂

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6 minutes ago, bristol red said:

80-82 worse.. but we survived… just.. thanks to some of the most admirable and unselfish players ever…

wont happen this time

And we had Terry Cooper to help rebuild. Last manager we had that made a bigger contribution than NP

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2 hours ago, maxjak said:

If this is true?    What a let down.    A club like ours should be casting its net widely all over Europe to find a young progressive tracksuit coach, like a Farke or Frank type (Yes i know that is a cliche).....but that is exactly what this club needs?   Instead we take the easy option off of the merry go round of sacked managers.....no ambition no foresight?   If we were intending to get rid of NP, why didn't we spend a few months looking at possible replacements, vetting them, researching them, and talking to candidates?    Instead it's a case of who's out of job, and is gonna be grateful to be employed, and lets make sure he is a YES man who won't upset anyone?    It is all so very tedious IMO.

Totally agree but what experienced, proven manager is going to come here and be told that his Director of Football is a nobody who had a decent left foot and had one stab at management and completely screwed it up but then brown nosed his way to a position of power and oversaw the sacking of a manager who built a Premier league winning squad and was the most popular manager we'd had for years? 

 

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1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I don't believe it's Eustace.

Gonna be a long week ain't it!

The longer it goes on the more I'd side with it being a coach already in a job, given the process for looking for Nige's replacement started a couple of weeks ago. 

Yeah agree. I think unless there is multiple reports from multiple different about the same guy tomorrow, it’ll definitely be someone currently in a job imo. Would’ve been talks (and probably advanced ones) if it was someone free, available and keen - and that would’ve got out by now. 

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Just now, petehinton said:

Yeah agree. I think unless there is multiple reports from multiple different about the same guy tomorrow, it’ll definitely be someone currently in a job imo. Would’ve been talks (and probably advanced ones) if it was someone free, available and keen - and that would’ve got out by now. 

The dream lives on! 

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7 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

Totally agree but what experienced, proven manager is going to come here and be told that his Director of Football is a nobody who had a decent left foot and had one stab at management and completely screwed it up but then brown nosed his way to a position of power and oversaw the sacking of a manager who built a Premier league winning squad and was the most popular manager we'd had for years? 

 

Bang on. That nail's not coming back out.

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26 minutes ago, bristol red said:

I have been a city fan since early 1970’s and this is by far the worst time to be a supporter. Got a fantasist owner, nowhere to be heard, his son as chairboy who hasn’t an effing clue about anything in the real world let alone anything football and then a clown who used to hit a few nice balls with his left foot that is now the DOF or whatever name he wants to call himself! Got rid of the best manager we could possibly hope to get us to the premiership. It’s all an absolute joke.

by far worse time to be a supporter ? You could not have been stood near me in the old enclosure when we lost 0 1 home to Torquay United to go bottom of old Div 4. On a wet sh***y night with under 3000 in attendance..... Now that was a bad time... This is a stroll in the park by comparison🙄

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11 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I don't believe it's Eustace.

Gonna be a long week ain't it!

The longer it goes on the more I'd side with it being a coach already in a job, given the process for looking for Nige's replacement started a couple of weeks ago. 

Luke Williams is my guess.

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It is Eustace. Deal with it. I have no problem with him as a person or football coach. I am a long time supporter of our club for over 45 years and genuinely wish him well as do I the players. I cannot though step foot inside the stadium until the owner finds his balls (maybe his missus can find them for him?) and put himself in person in front of us now to answer the questions from fans like myself both he, his son, and the other clown fail to acknowledge. 

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47 minutes ago, Harry said:

There is a fair amount of chat about Eustace and the job he did at Brum in “difficult” circumstances. 
 

Here’s some context. He spent more than Pearson has. 
 

Last season, supposedly under some sort of embargo, he was able to sign 2 youngsters from Prem clubs for around £2m, 2 experienced prem players on frees and then add a further 6 prem loans - and they don’t come cheap! 
 

This summer, he’s been allowed to spend around £5m or so on 4 players from Prem clubs plus signings from Germany and Belgium. He also added Bielek from Derby on a free and then further supplemented with 4 more loans (again, they don’t come cheap). 
 

So, he’s spent more than Nige was given over the last 2 summers and also made 11 loan signings (we are apparently against these!) and also a couple of good pickups from Europe (again we don’t like to do this any more). 
 

So, given that we don’t have any budget, and if we did, we don’t tend to sign loans, don’t tend to dip into the European market and also don’t tend to look at Prem youngsters since our Chelsea experiences of a few season past, I wonder what his remit is going to be? 
 

In summary, Eustace finished below us last season and was only a couple of points better off this season, having spent more money and relied on a shed full of loanees. 
 

Whilst we are saying we are recruiting to a certain style, and the boss must fit this, his 15 months in management seem to suggest he’ll be after something completely different to what we’re saying we’ll give him. 

Really liked the fact Pearson was against loans so this discourages me a bit. The fact Pearson didn't want temporary deals (without options to buy) feeds in to the exact idea of implementing a style of player and recruiting to build a future system which is all the shite Tinnion just said in his interview. Massive contradiction if they bring in Eustace and let him have his way with loan signings.

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4 minutes ago, bristol red said:

It is Eustace. Deal with it. I have no problem with him as a person or football coach. I am a long time supporter of our club for over 45 years and genuinely wish him well as do I the players. I cannot though step foot inside the stadium until the owner finds his balls (maybe his missus can find them for him?) and put himself in person in front of us now to answer the questions from fans like myself both he, his son, and the other clown fail to acknowledge. 

I don't want to hear from him. 

I won't step inside the stadium until he's gone.

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They are just relying on the so called predictable fans turning up to support the team whatever and spend their moneys on overpriced food and beer thinking ok.. we will lose a few of them but the deluded will still turn up as they always do nothing better to do and already got their season tickets… 

 

They are in for a massive shock!!

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29 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

Totally agree but what experienced, proven manager is going to come here and be told that his Director of Football is a nobody who had a decent left foot and had one stab at management and completely screwed it up but then brown nosed his way to a position of power and oversaw the sacking of a manager who built a Premier league winning squad and was the most popular manager we'd had for years? 

 

For the second time. 

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1 hour ago, Jerseybean said:

While waiting to see if this is true and knowing little about JE I had a little look around.

First thing I stumbled across was ironic…..Birmingham City have released a lengthy statement to their supporters explaining their decisions for sacking manager John Eustace.

He will celebrate his 44th birthday on 3 November.

As a central midfielder he played for Coventry City , Dundee United, Middlesborough, Stoke City, Hereford, Watford and Derby County.

After two-year managerial reign at Kidderminster Harriers (including two play-off campaigns) https://youtu.be/3jt5LzxLzQQ?si=odStzlbajAZ_xeAy he moved to QPR where he was Steve McClaren’s assistant. The currently empty managers seat at Loftus Road has fueled speculation he might be heading back there.

He left QPR when Beale took over, at the time QPR CEO Lee Hoos said: “John has been the ultimate professional from the moment he joined us four years ago. He has a fantastic attitude and is an incredibly hard-working individual.”

He succeeded Lee Bowyer as head coach of  Birmingham City in July 2022. His first managerial role in the football league, he signed a three-year contract.

On 9 October 2023, he was sacked with the club citing the importance of the board of directors and management being fully aligned on the culture of the football club as the reason behind the decision. An impressive start to the season had seen the club sitting in sixth position with eighteen points from eleven matches.

Some have pointed out that Eustace overachieved with Blues in the previous campaign, recoding their best Championship finish since 2016 although they had been tipped for relegation, but he kept them up with relative ease, and built a decent team despite so many off-field issues. He certainly started this season well and worked with many young players at Brum.

 

 

 

 Was this the statement you were referring to @Jerseybean

https://www.bcfc.com/news/all/club-statement-john-eustace

I was trying to get my head around what they could have meant by this - are they suggesting that Eustace did not have a winning mentality and lacked ambition? Almost libellous for a football manager you would think. 

It is essential that the Board of Directors and the football management are fully aligned on the importance of implementing a winning mentality and a culture of ambition across the entire Football Club.

With this in mind, Birmingham City has today parted company with Head Coach, John Eustace.

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Let's hope if it is Eustace or whoever..

A) "What football makes, football can spend".

B) No new additions in January without outgoings, save for if we wish to, making Gardner-Hickman permanent.

C) Free agents suggested by the club at best (not that Ayala necessarily a bad shout tbh).

Etc. On the same terms as NP, not just January hut no more football budget than the quantity for those departing and the uplift in TV money for next year.

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7 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Some really short memories in here.

Tinman, who nearly left as a player after getting spat at in the town centre to Port Vale iirc in about 1993.

Then after that defeat which is like 20 years ago, took himself off to Spain to run a youth project that linked up with a Spanish segunda League team to help Prem and football league players back into football.

Then came back helped shape an academy that in recent times probs has close to 100 mil in player sales , has provided pathways to playing for many others.

Then there was outcry in him being poached in the not to distant past.

But yeah, let's go nuts and judge him in one interview because you were pissed our old manager got sacked.

I'm not even a big Tinnion fan girl 

You still on here?

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14 minutes ago, daored said:

I agree , think he’s the one they want , worked with the younger players knows the club and I assume Tinnion. Wouldn’t have thought much to get him out of club with compensation?

Not sure about that. I think Notts C, who are far from skint and doing v well in the league, are going to want a serious amount of compensation for him.

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2 minutes ago, bristol red said:

They are just relying on the so called predictable fans turning up to support the team whatever and spend their moneys on overpriced food and beer thinking ok.. we will lose a few of them but the deluded will still turn up as they always do nothing better to do and already got their season tickets… 

 

They are in for a massive shock!!

They aren't. 

 

They are right.

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3 minutes ago, bristol red said:

They are just relying on the so called predictable fans turning up to support the team whatever and spend their moneys on overpriced food and beer thinking ok.. we will lose a few of them but the deluded will still turn up as they always do nothing better to do and already got their season tickets… 

 

They are in for a massive shock!!

If only!

They will still be there.

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11 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Some really short memories in here.

Tinman, who nearly left as a player after getting spat at in the town centre to Port Vale iirc in about 1993.

Then after that defeat which is like 20 years ago, took himself off to Spain to run a youth project that linked up with a Spanish segunda League team to help Prem and football league players back into football.

Then came back helped shape an academy that in recent times probs has close to 100 mil in player sales , has provided pathways to playing for many others.

Then there was outcry in him being poached in the not to distant past.

But yeah, let's go nuts and judge him in one interview because you were pissed our old manager got sacked.

I'm not even a big Tinnion fan girl 

I find the Tins thing probably the most astounding thing in this whole circus of spleen venting nonsense.

What next? Scott Murray to be deported back to Scotland for not cutting up the kit in protest?

P.s it was in Yate that he got spat at whilst shopping with his Mrs.His form was off at the time.

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11 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

I find the Tins thing probably the most astounding thing in this whole circus of spleen venting nonsense.

What next? Scott Murray to be deported back to Scotland for not cutting up the kit in protest?

P.s it was in Yate that he got spat at whilst shopping with his Mrs.His form was off at the time.

I get that for those who wanted this, they won’t be angry, but the idea that the fans are the circus, blimey. 

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18 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Not sure about that. I think Notts C, who are far from skint and doing v well in the league, are going to want a serious amount of compensation for him.

Can't remember which thread, but I saw £1.5m being mentioned as the figure they were looking for in the summer.

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9 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

If you were Mark Robins, would you quit Coventry City to join Bristol City?? 

Mark Robins is the nearest thing to any chance of success under Lansdown, because he is the manager that he has always wanted. 

He's not the best person for the job (because Lansdown has just got rid of him), but he is decent enough to achieve something, and he's the only one that Lansdown would stick by come hell or high water. 

Not that I will be there to see it. I hope he never gets him. I hope he ****s off. 

Tomorrow.

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3 hours ago, maxjak said:

If this is true?    What a let down.    A club like ours should be casting its net widely all over Europe to find a young progressive tracksuit coach, like a Farke or Frank type (Yes i know that is a cliche).....but that is exactly what this club needs?   Instead we take the easy option off of the merry go round of sacked managers.....no ambition no foresight?   If we were intending to get rid of NP, why didn't we spend a few months looking at possible replacements, vetting them, researching them, and talking to candidates?    Instead it's a case of who's out of job, and is gonna be grateful to be employed, and lets make sure he is a YES man who won't upset anyone?    It is all so very tedious IMO.

Don't get this comparison.

Ironically think Eustaces situ at Brum reminded me very much of what NP has done here. Only have to look at what's happened since they got "the name" in, for context of the job he did.

Many of those clubs have links to the continent that led to said appointments. We have one of the most Brexit ownerships models in the league by comparison.

Would understand this view (puppet, easy option, merry-go-round) much more if it was Rowett or Dean Smith, but it isnt. Its a manager who did one very good job, his only job, at this level in mostly very challenging circumstances.

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3 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

I get that for those who wanted this, they won’t be angry, but the idea that the fans are the circus, blimey. 

I didn't want this dismissal but it may possibly be a positive step , impossible to know either way yet - but the reaction on here is as big a circus as the dismissal.

Let's see in the next few weeks how it all pans out and exactly what ongoing protests there actually are?

It's very easy for people to say that they won't go to BS3 when they already don't go to BS3. Why would someone who has genuinely given up supporting City spend their time on OTIB ? 

As for the alleged "season ticket holders"  also so say refusing to continue their support - strange no one is selling their cards  on here. For the right price, they'll be takers. 

 

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42 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Some really short memories in here.

Tinman, who nearly left as a player after getting spat at in the town centre to Port Vale iirc in about 1993.

Then after that defeat which is like 20 years ago, took himself off to Spain to run a youth project that linked up with a Spanish segunda League team to help Prem and football league players back into football.

Then came back helped shape an academy that in recent times probs has close to 100 mil in player sales , has provided pathways to playing for many others.

Then there was outcry in him being poached in the not to distant past.

But yeah, let's go nuts and judge him in one interview because you were pissed our old manager got sacked.

I'm not even a big Tinnion fan girl 

When Tinnion was going to be 'poached' he was in a very different role to what he is doing now which is a key bit of context...

I haven't seen anybody dispute the work Tinnion has done in terms of helping to build the pathway and a streamlined club from top to bottom.

He's now gone from  that where he was very successful to essentially running the entire football opetstion, something he's spectacularly failed at before.

So people have every right to judge him on what he's doing here and now and judge him on the criteria that's relevant 

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18 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

We are higher in the league and he has a relation with SL and would have played with Tinnion during his loan spell. Has been at Cov a long time. 

Deranged.

Lay off the Katy mate.

I’m not using my season ticket until the  reptiles in charge are gone. 
The very best of luck to the next patsy who takes charge of the shit show that is BCFC 👍

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3 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

Wonder what his target is? Fans gon a be straight on his back for two defeats in a row based on Lansdowns expectations

Hopefully our fans will have fair more sense than to take any notice of anything crayon boy says, as he’s clearly totally deluded.

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1 minute ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Tinnion afaik and quite happy to be corrected has been involved in the youth coaching and technical side since the likes of Tommy Doherty came through.

He's what, been in the new job for two minutes and you'll not hear many going what a crappy job with recruitment, barring we could have done with 2 more.

He's never been Technical Director before,so your comparison is perhaps somewhat blighted by anger and remains stuck on one result 19 years ago 

 

And the frankly pathetic interview earlier.

Tinnion living the Peter Principle to please the Lansdowns.

Brian Tinnion made himself look like 10lb of shit in a 5lb bag, and he didn’t even know it. That should be a concern for every City fan.

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51 minutes ago, eardun said:

 Was this the statement you were referring to @Jerseybean

https://www.bcfc.com/news/all/club-statement-john-eustace

I was trying to get my head around what they could have meant by this - are they suggesting that Eustace did not have a winning mentality and lacked ambition? Almost libellous for a football manager you would think. 

It is essential that the Board of Directors and the football management are fully aligned on the importance of implementing a winning mentality and a culture of ambition across the entire Football Club.

With this in mind, Birmingham City has today parted company with Head Coach, John Eustace.

Yep, that’s it I spotted it elsewhere though, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12614509/Birmingham-release-789-word-statement-explaining-sacked-John-Eustace-claim-decision-allowed-incoming-manager-time-evaluate-squad-January-Wayne-Rooney-set-charge.html

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