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10 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Who is asking for a big name ?

The only big name has been Lampard and that hasn't exactly been met with enthusiasm.

I think what people are asking for is what they said they would deliver - inspiring, exciting, etc etc.

So, a head coach with a CV which includes some successes at a decent level.

If they get rid of such a manager/coach, they need to replace him with at least his equal. Someone inspiring, exciting, etc etc.

Has NP ever been exciting.?

Are we looking for another manager who did well over 8 years ago & hasn't seen out a permenant contract at any of his 4 jobs since then..?

What is Phil Brown up to these days..? Would he qualify as a good shout..?

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Just now, Cov 77 said:

Behave , I don’t like him either , certainly wanted Nige to stay , but whoever comes in will need some time but hopefully get us near this year, but to hang them out to dry because Lansdown says we have a top six squad is unfair 

 

Why is it unfair? The chairman of this football club has come out in public and expects promotion. Whoever comes in has to achieve that this season, or the very least knocking on the door. 

Going by the clubs logic.  Failure to do so should result in removal of position end of season.
 

The club have put their foot in it. Made their bed, now lie in it.

 

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5 minutes ago, Cov 77 said:

Behave , I don’t like him either , certainly wanted Nige to stay , but whoever comes in will need some time but hopefully get us near this year, but to hang them out to dry because Lansdown says we have a top six squad is unfair 

 

Well it's what happened to the last one.

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1 minute ago, The Coach said:

Why is it unfair? The chairman of this football club has come out in public and expects promotion. Whoever comes in has to achieve that this season, or the very least knocking on the door. 

Going by the clubs logic.  Failure to do so should result in removal of position end of season.
 

The club have put their foot in it. Made their bed, now lie in it.

 

I know people are pissed off with the Lansdowns and what the boy said but just shit stirring 

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3 minutes ago, The Coach said:

Why is it unfair? The chairman of this football club has come out in public and expects promotion. Whoever comes in has to achieve that this season, or the very least knocking on the door. 

Going by the clubs logic.  Failure to do so should result in removal of position end of season.
 

The club have put their foot in it. Made their bed, now lie in it.

 

I would expect a manager to get a full campaign to achieve top 6.  They didn’t think pearson was going to do that so moved him on.  I doubt they will expect a new manager to pick it up from here and achieve it. 

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15 minutes ago, Johnr1986 said:

If it is Manning  it’s really uninspiring appointment, always feels like lansdown is trying to copy other clubs, rather than actually sourcing the right man for our club,  would of taken Lampard , Jones, Beadle all over Manning personally 

Beadle? 

Bit late for that. 

Unless you mean Jeremy, in which case... yeah... definitely a bit late for that.

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6 minutes ago, Cov 77 said:

Behave , I don’t like him either , certainly wanted Nige to stay , but whoever comes in will need some time but hopefully get us near this year, but to hang them out to dry because Lansdown says we have a top six squad is unfair 

 

The Lansdownes have not got a scooby doo. Blatantly obvious.

Appointing a “yes man” rather than someone who challenges is a clear sign of weak leadership/lack of direction and quite frankly an uninspiring appointment if it is Manning.

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2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I would expect a manager to get a full campaign to achieve top 6.  They didn’t think pearson was going to do that so moved him on.  I doubt they will expect a new manager to pick it up from here and achieve it. 

Again why not? We are 4 points of the play offs. Not 14. 
 

Whoever comes in, has to get in the top 6 then if that’s what the club are expecting.

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7 minutes ago, The Coach said:

Why is it unfair? The chairman of this football club has come out in public and expects promotion. Whoever comes in has to achieve that this season, or the very least knocking on the door. 

Going by the clubs logic.  Failure to do so should result in removal of position end of season.
 

The club have put their foot in it. Made their bed, now lie in it.

 

Or did he say they expected promotion & now want someone who can push us on.?

Did I miss him say "whoever the new manager is will be expected to get promoted come the end of this season"..?

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9 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Has NP ever been exciting.?

Are we looking for another manager who did well over 8 years ago & hasn't seen out a permenant contract at any of his 4 jobs since then..?

What is Phil Brown up to these days..? Would he qualify as a good shout..?

I think Phil Brown runs a franchise of tanning salons now.

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1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said:

Or did he say they expected promotion & now want someone who can push us on.?

Did I miss him say "whoever the new manager is will be expected to get promoted come the end of this season"..?

He didn't say that. 

But he expected it of Pearson. 

What's the difference, do you think? 🤔

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2 minutes ago, The Coach said:

Again why not? We are 4 points of the play offs. Not 14. 
 

Whoever comes in, has to get in the top 6 then if that’s what the club are expecting.

Because the new manager won't have has 2.5 years to have an impact.

In 2.5 years, we started day 1 in 18th position & the last day saw us in 15th place. Fact.

Steady, gradually progress in difficult circumstances - yes.

Someone who looked like being a long term answer to taking us forward - 2.5 years, health problems & whatever possible disagreements didn't indicate so.

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Just now, Superjack said:

He didn't say that. 

But he expected it of Pearson. 

What's the difference, do you think? 🤔

JL and GM said one of the reasons for sacking NP was that they are looking at promotion this season and they didn't think that would happen under NP. So I assume they expect it of the new bloke ?

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1 minute ago, Superjack said:

He didn't say that. 

But he expected it of Pearson. 

What's the difference, do you think? 🤔

Whether you agree with it or not I don’t think it’s that hard to understand. They didn’t feel that the performances were good enough for us to challenge for the play offs.  I think most fans would agree that on the whole this season we haven’t produced many top 6 performances.  
 

They are then hoping a new manager can improve performances.  That doesn’t necessarily mean they expect a new manager to achieve top 6 in just 7 months time. 

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Just now, bcfc01 said:

JL and GM said one of the reasons for sacking NP was that they are looking at promotion this season and they didn't think that would happen under NP. So I assume they expect it of the new bloke ?

I'll give you a clue. 

They don't dislike the new bloke.

Yet.

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3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

They won’t sack whoever they appoint if they miss out on top 6 and I think you know that and are just being a bit flippant 

The next incumbent will be cut Johnson levels of slack and will be backed heavily as well. If this one goes t1ts the lansdowns are going to look stupider than ever and they’ll move heaven and earth to try and make sure that it doesn’t happen.

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1 minute ago, Superjack said:

He didn't say that. 

But he expected it of Pearson. 

What's the difference, do you think? 🤔

Isn't the difference obvious..?

It won't be the new man's squad & he will be starting already adrift of the play off places, unlike the level pegging at the start of the season.

He will only have 2/3's of the season to claw that back.

Hopefully he will have his own ideas on players he'd like/not like to achieve his goals & won't have until January to make any changes to the squad whatsoever.

Is it really that hard to fathom out how the situation & expectations might differ..?!

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Just now, milo1111 said:

The next incumbent will be cut Johnson levels of slack and will be backed heavily as well. If this one goes t1ts the lansdowns are going to look stupider than ever and they’ll move heaven and earth to try and make sure that it doesn’t happen.

And I repeat...

Rookie manager = "Here's a load of money, go buy yourself some toys".

Experienced manager = "You've got us out of the shit, but you can't have any money".

SELL UP AND **** OFF.

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1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said:

Isn't the difference obvious..?

It won't be the new man's squad & he will be starting already adrift of the play off places, unlike the level pegging at the start of the season.

He will only have 2/3's of the season to claw that back.

Hopefully he will have his own ideas on players he'd like/not like to achieve his goals & won't have until January to make any changes to the squad whatsoever.

Is it really that hard to fathom out how the situation & expectations might differ..?!

I feel that there is still so much anger and some fans will take longer to accept what has happened 

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1 minute ago, And Its Smith said:

You assume wrong I believe. 

Well, we'll find out at the end of the season.

FWIW, I think the Landowns are desparate to get into the EPL to make a sale quicker and easier. They may well fork out a few quid in January. 

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1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said:

Isn't the difference obvious..?

It won't be the new man's squad & he will be starting already adrift of the play off places, unlike the level pegging at the start of the season.

He will only have 2/3's of the season to claw that back.

Hopefully he will have his own ideas on players he'd like/not like to achieve his goals & won't have until January to make any changes to the squad whatsoever.

Is it really that hard to fathom out how the situation & expectations might differ..?!

This squad should be challenging at the top end of the table. That was what was said. It doesn’t matter who comes in, that’s what should be expected of him. His squad or not. We all know full well he won’t be held to that but hey ho. 

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1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said:

Isn't the difference obvious..?

It won't be the new man's squad & he will be starting already adrift of the play off places, unlike the level pegging at the start of the season.

He will only have 2/3's of the season to claw that back.

Hopefully he will have his own ideas on players he'd like/not like to achieve his goals & won't have until January to make any changes to the squad whatsoever.

Is it really that hard to fathom out how the situation & expectations might differ..?!

Apparently we already have a top 6 squad.

if there is another churn of players then that makes sacking Pearson even more brainless. I thought we haven’t got much money 

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3 minutes ago, Harry said:

I won’t be judging the new manager on whether they achieve promotion this season. I’ll be judging Jon & Brian. 
Whoever comes in gets a fair shot in my eyes. But promotion was clearly stated as the goal and if new boss doesn’t achieve it then it’s on JL & BT. I won’t be screaming for the managers head, I’ll be expecting changes at the top. 

Yep. Well said, Tinnion is the one I’ve got my eye on. Failed at this club once, lucky to have a second chance. 

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Just now, Galley is our king said:

Well why didn't they fork out a few quid in the summer then?

Because they wanted Pearson gone. They did it at the first opportunity and it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if the new man has a bit of cash in January.

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2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Isn't the difference obvious..?

It won't be the new man's squad & he will be starting already adrift of the play off places, unlike the level pegging at the start of the season.

He will only have 2/3's of the season to claw that back.

Hopefully he will have his own ideas on players he'd like/not like to achieve his goals & won't have until January to make any changes to the squad whatsoever.

Is it really that hard to fathom out how the situation & expectations might differ..?!

The parameters have been set.   Lansdown Jnr clearly said that this squad is the best since he’s been here and that the change has been made as he believes the squad is good enough to compete this season.  It’s there on the record as to why Pearson has gone.  So that’s how he has to be judged.   

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5 minutes ago, Harry said:

I won’t be judging the new manager on whether they achieve promotion this season. I’ll be judging Jon & Brian. 
Whoever comes in gets a fair shot in my eyes. But promotion was clearly stated as the goal and if new boss doesn’t achieve it then it’s on JL & BT. I won’t be screaming for the managers head, I’ll be expecting changes at the top. 

100%
 

I don’t think it matters who we appoint. With this set up we will not achieve anything. I’ve been saying it for years. 

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25 minutes ago, The Coach said:

Why is it unfair? The chairman of this football club has come out in public and expects promotion. Whoever comes in has to achieve that this season, or the very least knocking on the door. 

Going by the clubs logic.  Failure to do so should result in removal of position end of season.
 

The club have put their foot in it. Made their bed, now lie in it.

 

No your just being pedantic.

Hypothetically, if we reach the play-offs but don't go up I want you to post with that same energy.

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9 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Isn't the difference obvious..?

It won't be the new man's squad & he will be starting already adrift of the play off places, unlike the level pegging at the start of the season.

He will only have 2/3's of the season to claw that back.

Hopefully he will have his own ideas on players he'd like/not like to achieve his goals & won't have until January to make any changes to the squad whatsoever.

Is it really that hard to fathom out how the situation & expectations might differ..?!

I guess the difference is the at we are supposedly NOT starting from scratch. We’re 4 points off the playoffs with the next match against the 23rd placed team. The new head coach is being brought in to supposedly work to a certain remit and style. To work within the parameters already laid down, specifically when it comes to budget, recruitment, playing style. 
 

I would agree with you if we were bringing in a new manager to start over again. But we’re not. We have clearly stated that the new man will work within the existing philosophy. 
 

As I say, I’m not going to call for the new managers head if we don’t go up, but I will be expecting Jon & Brian to front it up, and perhaps reevaluate their philosophies and the club structure. 

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8 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Isn't the difference obvious..?

It won't be the new man's squad & he will be starting already adrift of the play off places, unlike the level pegging at the start of the season.

He will only have 2/3's of the season to claw that back.

Hopefully he will have his own ideas on players he'd like/not like to achieve his goals & won't have until January to make any changes to the squad whatsoever.

Is it really that hard to fathom out how the situation & expectations might differ..?!

Oh... of course. Rip it up and start again. 

How many times under these ****wits?

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Just now, And Its Smith said:

I feel that there is still so much anger and some fans will take longer to accept what has happened 

Perhaps, but coming to terms with something they would have preferred to turn out differently & then being deliberately dim/obtuse are 2 totally different things.

To claim the expectations of NP before the season started & whoever the new bloke is, with a third of the season gone & starting with already having to make up the defecit of NP's tenure, is just being ridiculous.

NP has gone. His record here was poor-just about average.

Our home form throughout his tenure has been pretty abysmal.

The timing (injuries) made the decision surprising - but that doesn't gloss over the fact that we have hardly progressed in his 2.5 years in charge. 

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3 minutes ago, Harry said:

I guess the difference is the at we are supposedly NOT starting from scratch. We’re 4 points off the playoffs with the next match against the 23rd placed team. The new head coach is being brought in to supposedly work to a certain remit and style. To work within the parameters already laid down, specifically when it comes to budget, recruitment, playing style. 
 

I would agree with you if we were bringing in a new manager to start over again. But we’re not. We have clearly stated that the new man will work within the existing philosophy. 
 

As I say, I’m not going to call for the new managers head if we don’t go up, but I will be expecting Jon & Brian to front it up, and perhaps reevaluate their philosophies and the club structure. 

I think we all hope that this season can see us improve under the new appointment.

Be a bit more consistent  score more goals & generally look like we are moving in the right direction.

To expect promotion would be crazy - to look like we are heading in the right direction for it would be excellent & refreshing. 

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No ITK or anything, but would find it strange if it was being told to the players tomorrow that manning is the manager. You’d of thought something would have leaked about us asking permission to talk with him already. Just suprised how little there is in terms of links on this. Just feel they could only get away with it more if it was someone not in a job currently. 

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29 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I would expect a manager to get a full campaign to achieve top 6.  They didn’t think pearson was going to do that so moved him on.  I doubt they will expect a new manager to pick it up from here and achieve it. 

Great - yet more 'jam tomorrow'. Jeez...they've had 20 years, can't the Lansdowns just crack on a bit. One step forwards, two back...again and again...

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3 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I think we all hope that this season can see us improve under the new appointment.

Be a bit more consistent  score more goals & generally look like we are moving in the right direction.

To expect promotion would be crazy - to look like we are heading in the right direction for it would be excellent & refreshing. 

I’m seething nige was sacked but I’m not going to put unfair pressure on the new man . BUT by the end of this season I’ll be expecting him to keep us in the top half as we are now and like you say start scoring a few more goals. Especially at home.

if we end up with no improvement at all I will be blaming tinnion and the lansdowns for their decisions.

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4 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Correct. Then to Cardiff. 

Yes, the following season.

Presumed by ‘that heart sinking moment at the Valley’ you meant the game when Lansdown turned up with LJ.

Either way, Warnock would have likely got us promoted at some stage but there’s zero chance that Lansdown would ever let a manager like that near our club.

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27 minutes ago, RedReg said:

Back to the yes man way of doing things then.

Hacked off though I am with the board, I’m a bit unclear as to why you assume Manning to be a “yes man”?

I don’t know loads about him and, if we are in for him, I have no idea if it is the right appointment but the little I know is he comes across as someone with a defined idea of how he wants his teams to play.

What has he done that makes you think he is a “yes man”?

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1 minute ago, milo1111 said:

I’m seething nige was sacked but I’m not going to put unfair pressure on the new man . BUT by the end of this season I’ll be expecting him to keep us in the top half as we are now and like you say start scoring a few more goals. Especially at home.

if we end up with no improvement at all I will be blaming tinnion and the lansdowns for their decisions.

Fair enough. 

But I would say that you have already had ample time to do that.

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17 minutes ago, lenred said:

The parameters have been set.   Lansdown Jnr clearly said that this squad is the best since he’s been here and that the change has been made as he believes the squad is good enough to compete this season.  It’s there on the record as to why Pearson has gone.  So that’s how he has to be judged.   

Exactly, can't quite believe people are already trying to make excuses for Manning. JL made perfectly clear they expect top six with this squad. So why wouldn't he expect that with Manning? Unless of course he has lied to us again. 

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I don't really understand all this yes man bollocks, unless any of you know Manning then you are just chatting shit based on absolutely nothing. The man has no previous connection to the club so owes Lansdown nothing, the man is potentially going from Oxford to Bristol City not ******* Barcelona.

Im as annoyed with Niges sacking as anyone but some people are seriously deluded about our status in the football pyramid. 

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Just now, Spud21 said:

I don't really understand all this yes man bollocks, unless any of you know Manning then you are just chatting shit based on absolutely nothing. The man has no previous connection to the club so owes Lansdown nothing, the man is potentially going from Oxford to Bristol City not ******* Barcelona.

Im as annoyed with Niges sacking as anyone but some people are seriously deluded about our status in the football pyramid. 

The board being chief amongst them.

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Just now, Spud21 said:

I don't really understand all this yes man bollocks, unless any of you know Manning then you are just chatting shit based on absolutely nothing. The man has no previous connection to the club so owes Lansdown nothing, the man is potentially going from Oxford to Bristol City not ******* Barcelona.

Im as annoyed with Niges sacking as anyone but some people are seriously deluded about our status in the football pyramid. 

It's a perfectly valid point. I know next to nothing about Manning. 

But I will bet my house that he won't get the job without saying all the "right" things about the clowns.

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Just now, Northern Red said:

The board being chief amongst them.

Not going to disagree there, although our squad when fully fit is not a million miles off top 6 quality, but it very quickly drops off and I don't think anyone ever has a fully fit squad so its still a fundamentally stupid thing to say, even though for me it's only a couple of players short of being a very very doog squad at this level. 

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11 minutes ago, milo1111 said:

I’m seething nige was sacked but I’m not going to put unfair pressure on the new man . BUT by the end of this season I’ll be expecting him to keep us in the top half as we are now and like you say start scoring a few more goals. Especially at home.

if we end up with no improvement at all I will be blaming tinnion and the lansdowns for their decisions.

Yes agreed. & hopefully if we do see improvement then you'll give them credit for making a good call & hope to see further progress next season, when he has had a pre-season & summer transfer window to implement some of his own ideas. 

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1 minute ago, Superjack said:

It's a perfectly valid point. I know next to nothing about Manning. 

But I will bet my house that he won't get the job without saying all the "right" things about the clowns.

Why? Hes potentially interviewing at a club thst could easily be in the same league as the one he is currently at, he is not sat there thinking **** me it would be a dream to manage city so I will throw all my professional integrity in the bin to get this job. We are a middling championship club ffs not a massive club stuck in this league. 

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Just now, Bar BS3 said:

Yes agreed. & hopefully if we do see improvement then you'll give them credit for making a good call & hope to see further progress next season, when he has had a pre-season & summer transfer window to implement some of his own ideas. 

Jam tomorrow.

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1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said:

Yes agreed. & hopefully if we do see improvement then you'll give them credit for making a good call & hope to see further progress next season, when he has had a pre-season & summer transfer window to implement some of his own ideas. 

Yes if we improve I will give them all the credit they deserve.

they have made a big call and it will be interesting to see how it pans out

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Just now, Spud21 said:

Why? Hes potentially interviewing at a club thst could easily be in the same league as the one he is currently at, he is not sat there thinking **** me it would be a dream to manage city so I will throw all my professional integrity in the bin to get this job. We are a middling championship club ffs not a massive club stuck in this league. 

I'm not talking about HIS integrity.

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9 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Yes agreed. & hopefully if we do see improvement then you'll give them credit for making a good call & hope to see further progress next season, when he has had a pre-season & summer transfer window to implement some of his own ideas. 

He should get the same criteria as NP, ie no extra money net of cost savings or football revenue ie trading or sell on clauses this January, then maybe some more freedom come the summer on a what football makes, football can spend basis- Cup runs, extra revenue streams aside.

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