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16 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

This is "Judge me on Tinnion" Part 2..............

Exactly that, this feels like  Tinnion suggestion to me, being pretty much the only "Footballer" in the higher echelons of the club.  Let's hope he is better at picking managers than actually Managing

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Fits what the bosses want for our club; a head coach who coaches. He's only 38, and look at his CV and what he has done already. Only question mark is the end of the MK Dons stint, but sounds like there were reasons for that, and every manager has periods like that, otherwise they would never get sacked! He's then moved on to Oxford in March, and 8 months later they're in 2nd place. He's someone whose stock is rising, so lets get on that like other championship clubs do. I think he will do well. COYR

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Just took a look at his coaching staff, it looks like Chris Hogg has followed him around, was at MK and now oxford as such I think we can safely say he will end up here also.  

The rest, Craig Short, Wayne Brown (ex City) and Derek Fazackerley pre-dated Manning so at a guess will stay put.

Lets hope he also knows a good physio,

 

COACHING STAFF

Men's Head Coach  Liam Manning

Assistant Manager  Chris Hogg

Football Advisor   Derek Fazackerley

First Team Coach  Craig Short

Goalkeeping Coach   Wayne Brown

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1 minute ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Well bully for you

It's not the teams it's the method and results

He's improved all of them 

Please go back and have a look at his record and then repost.

Where have you seen his method and when and over what length of time?

Who has he improved and if you are talking about Oxford then short time he's been there doesn't merit much in the way of lavish praise does it?

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2 minutes ago, hinsleburg said:

Really not sure how I feel about this if we are being honest.

Seems very bizarre to be bringing somebody in mid-season who needs to change the whole teams playing style to fit what they want to do. Could be an absolute disaster for everybody if it goes horribly wrong and sadly for Manning he will always he compared to LJ/Holden. (Not saying that's fair, but it will happen). Ultimately, he's also completely unproven at this level, everybody needs to start somewhere and maybe this is the one that we get right, but recent history isn't on his side.

However, he does have a much better reputation in the game than those mentioned above. He has been bought in as a 'Coach' with a very clear remit and whilst I feel very uncomfortable with what happened with NP, there is a different structure there now and Manning seems to fit in better with it. 

As others have mentioned, I'd love to know what the expectation is on him this season and what he will be given to do it. Don't care what the club says, this squad is three players light of being a top 8 squad and believe NP had us slightly above where the squad sits in my opinion pre-injuries.

Messiah Tinnion has said whoever comes in has to play the way we play now, not much will change.

He's coming in because he seems like someone who won't hurt anyone's feelings in the hierarchy.

And the hierarchy has said they are expecting promotion so if we don't get into the top six this season then we can start pointing fingers higher up for not getting "what they want." 

Well they've got what they want now. Back to the old cosy club.

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15 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Exciting times

Liam's worked at Westham Redbull New York, managed Lommel , Oxford and MK Dons.

Plays high press, brings on youth players and has a very good win percentage.

Absolutely fits the description given last week.

Not seeing downsides 

Never managed above League 1?

Not a bit of a downside?

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6 minutes ago, Ian M said:

If this is the appointment my reaction will be:

Phew, could have been worse.

 

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5 minutes ago, YGBjammy said:

Fits what the bosses want for our club; a head coach who coaches. He's only 38, and look at his CV and what he has done already. Only question mark is the end of the MK Dons stint, but sounds like there were reasons for that, and every manager has periods like that, otherwise they would never get sacked! He's then moved on to Oxford in March, and 8 months later they're in 2nd place. He's someone whose stock is rising, so lets get on that like other championship clubs do. I think he will do well. COYR

Reading about his career, one thing that stands out is that he doesn't hold back from jumping ship for a new opportunity. One way or another he won't be with us for long!

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On 02/11/2023 at 21:48, Silvio Dante said:

Again, trying to look through this of the lens of “He’s not Nige and I’d rather Nige”…

I did think the 5-1 against Oxford didn’t tell the full story. They were well in the game first half and had a good few chances. I thought they played decent football and were a good side. His MK Dons team were also a good set up until the family silver was sold.

Against that, as has been noted he’s not a huge distance away from a sacking at the level below. The dropoff after losing key players - and a major dropoff - is a real concern. As a parallel, had he been City manager and lost Scott/Semenyo, there is real doubt as to how he would have coped, and at a level above.

I don’t inherently dislike him but for me there are too many question marks at the moment and the above, considering our position of selling our best players, is a real red flag. I think if he showed consistency in performance for another year-18 months he’s a good shout. But I’m probably landing on the side of No at the moment for the above reasons.

Just quoting myself here - I think the last paragraph is key. He’s on a “run of form” at Oxford as opposed to having shown he could alleviate the concerns his MK sacking showed. It could be genius, and in 18 months he may have been out of reach but my gut is it feels a very big gamble currently.

If it goes wrong though, as has been said, it’s on the Lansdowns and Tinnion 

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14 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Well bully for you

It's not the teams it's the method and results

He's improved all of them 

Yeah, exactly. Everyone needs to start somewhere, right. What is the correct career path for a coach of Bristol City? Just someone on the Championship roundabout? A foreign manager with experience of lower leagues abroad? Someone already inside Bristol City coaching set up getting promoted? Or one of the most promising managers at the top of the league below?

Whatever people think about the appointment, this smacks of having a clear plan which has been a persistent critique of the leadership over the last week and bit. It's consistent with what they said they were looking for. 

Easy to mock appointing a lower league manager (if it happens) but I actually do think this is an exciting appointment very different from some of the appointments used as a reference point by some commenters. Think this isn't a case of 'they don't know what they're doing' but suggests they know exactly what they're doing. Whether that clear plan proves correct, let's see. 

Hopefully everyone gets on board, because the strong platform Nige leaves behind will mean nothing if fans don't get behind appointment from beginning. I'm optimistic if this happens.

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Again he took Oxford training this morning 

Have a mate that plays for Oxford & I asked him are you gutted if he leaves & he said yeah cause he played me every week 😂

He also said he’s up there with the best managers he’s played for & that they play really good football.

 

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2 minutes ago, stephenkibby. said:

May not be an exciting appointment but i'm not disappointed with it.

Looking forward to hearing what he has to say.

I'd guess at 'Great Opportunity' and maybe 'Sleeping Giant' and 'Exciting Project'

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2 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

I'm just glad it's not Lampard or Warnock. Or Jones.

Frankly, it's a risky appointment, for us and for Manning. But I wish him well.

Bold is spot on. He’s taken a risk here if it does happen, would argue he’s dieing to prove himself at this level, and needs to. 
 

And there’s no shying away from what the task is by how much JL has mentioned promotion over the last week. Hopefully he hits the ground running and builds a good relationship with our squad. Would love to see a manager get the best out of mehmeti tbf. COYR

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2 minutes ago, Ecko said:

He must had did an incredible job at improving MK Dons as they sacked him.

They did sack him. Apparently, because he had to sell his best 2 players then loads of posters on here think that is fine and dandy. Also apparently, not his fault that he couldn't Coach the remaining 23 players in to accumulating more tan just 15 points from over 20 games.

He must be bloody good at interviews.

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22 minutes ago, westonred said:

The only way the Lansdowns can get the fans back on side is to throw money into the transfer kitty and get in some marque signings in Jan

But that would prove that they (JL, BT) are massively mistaken about the current ability of our squad or that they simply lied to us. Both are extremely worrying.

Not to mention indicating that they purposely sabotaged Pearson by not allowing him those same funds in the summer. 

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23 minutes ago, westonred said:

The only way the Lansdowns can get the fans back on side is to throw money into the transfer kitty and get in some marque signings in Jan

I hope not. One of the (many) clever insights from Nigel was the need to have a group of players BROADLY on the same salary, creating a harmonious platform. Marque signings imply high wages, recreating the divergence Nigel inherited and sought to resolve.

We need to buy potential, nurture them, develop them... then sell them to Bournemouth.

I guess that's the logic behind Manning and his perceived ability to get the best out of young talent.

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New York should be one of the most fertile areas in the world for the production of young football talent. It has more than enough young accessible football fans for that. 
But it has not been, and New York City FC are trying to change that. Claudio Reyna, the director of football operations, is working to boost grassroots access to football in New York, and to improve the NYCFC academy based in Orangeburg. They want the best young players from the New York area into the NYCFC first team. And now they need coaches to help get them there.
 
So NYCFC have plucked one of England’s best youth coaches out of the Premier League to get them there. Liam Manning was the Under-23 manager at West Ham United, effectively running their academy with Terry Westley. He was responsible for helping players like Reece Oxford, Grady Diangana and best of all Declan Rice into the first team. Manning was a crucial cog in one of the leading academies in the country, but he has decided to take on a very different challenge instead.
 
For Manning, it is a chance to be part of a youth programme that could help to change football in the US. “They have a huge pool of untapped players there,” Manning tells The Independent. “The challenge will be to make sure that they’re playing for NYCFC.”
At NYCFC this largely stems from Reyna, who recruited Manning. “He has a vision of where he wants to take the club,” Manning says. “He has such enthusiasm for the game and a passion for youth development. And with the salary cap there, there is an opportunity to have an impact and develop players.” 

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The goal for 33-year-old Manning and academy manager Sam Pugsley - who has a more operational role - is to develop the next generation of elite footballers from the New York area. But Manning’s targets are even higher than that. “I don’t just want to produce players for the first team,” he says. “I want to produce players who win things for the first team. For me that’s the biggest challenge.It was always the biggest challenge at West Ham. Can you get a Declan? It’s not just about getting one in the team, it’s about getting one in to improve the team, or play at the highest level. That should be any coach’s aim.”

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The example of Rice is instructive. He has been the biggest success at the West Ham academy during Manning’s time there. He arrived back in 2015, recruited from Ipswich Town by Terry Westley to be assistant academy manager, and head of coaching between under-17 and under-23 levels, known as the ‘senior professional development phase’.
 
This is what Rice went through at West Ham, arriving having been released by Chelsea at 14. Even at the under-16s Rice was the only one in his West Ham age group who only got a scholarship, rather than a three-year professional deal. But Manning believes that helped to instill the mentality in him that has since set him apart.
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Manning has worked at West Ham since 2015
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“In terms of developing a drive, hunger and resilience to overcome challenges, I think that contributed,” Manning says. “Psychologically he is an A+. He’s a great kid with a great head on his shoulders.”
In Manning’s first year at West Ham, Rice was an under-17 and was involved with the youth team, but it was his next year, as an under-18, when he really broke through. “He was captain of our under-23 team and just outstanding every week. Just brilliant at the basics. Reading of the games. Clean in everything he did. He stood out every week, always an 8 or 9 out of 10. That year we won the play-off final to go up to the top division.”
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Rice enjoyed a breakout season for West Ham
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So Rice’s success this season, starring in the Premier League and breaking into the England set-up, was no real surprise. And it was a credit to the environment he was in at West Ham. “He’s two steps ahead of everybody in his head,” Manning says. “He reads the game really well. That’s a psychological attribute but it’s pure concentration and focus. It’s predicting what is happening. You can only do that if you’re concentrating. He is outstanding at that.”
 
But even as young English players flourish, the reality for young English coaches is that opportunities are sparse. Especially as more Premier League clubs bring in coaches from abroad. Which encourages young coaches to make moves like this. “The biggest challenge is that I don’t see young English coaches getting the opportunity at top-end clubs,” he says. “There are some really, really good young English coaches coming through - Joe Edwards at Chelsea, Ryan Garry at Arsenal, Matt Wells at Fulham. But you get to that Under-23 rule at a Category 1 or Cat 2 club and you think where’s next? What’s my next challenge?”
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2 minutes ago, supercidered said:

They did sack him. Apparently, because he had to sell his best 2 players then loads of posters on here think that is fine and dandy. Also apparently, not his fault that he couldn't Coach the remaining 23 players in to accumulating more tan just 15 points from over 20 games.

He must be bloody good at interviews.

If he was the man for the Top Team then I doubt he would’ve had to do one tbh.  

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Big dose of realism required. If we accept NP is gone, we have to appoint a replacement. We can't hire another manager in his traditional managerial mould (i.e. Rowett, Jones, etc.). So the only way for the board to justify NP's exit is to pivot into a new route and then you're looking at Profile/Vanity appointment or New style/On-the-grass appointment.

Both seem a roll of dice. Neither will have consensus on here. And neither has a deep list containing candidates with either "proven track record with recent success" or "recent success with a proven track record" because as a Club we're not big enough to compete in those spheres.

So it's a case of sitting back and riding out the decision that's been made (accepting the NP thing is done, dusted and gone).

So if you look at the LM side of things his win record is pretty strong, especially when you consider there's a crappy 11 game period in that when he was sacked at MK Dons:
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Context is also important in that he was sacked because his best players were sold and they had a slow start. Under the hood of MK, and before that, he took a bottom third team to third in 12 months. We all know MK Dons are a basket club. He's then repeated bottom third to top 2  at Oxford (admittedly it's November still........). So whilst he's only 140-odd games into his managerial career, achieveing over 48% win rate in English football at any professional level is something to take notice of.

The bigger concern is arguably the PR machine and fog. As @Davefevs has pointed out, Manning's playing style doesn't necessarily suit the players in the building. And if we look at when he struggled at MK Dons it was when the club hierarchy disrupted what he was building by selling his best players. Our club is talking about recruiting a head coach that can work within the current structure of the club, but given we are a selling club that tends to sell it's best asset each window it seems like a bit of a hit-and-hope that Manning can deal with losing his best players in the middle of building something when this is the only real blemish on his managerial CV to date (i.e. not recovering from the MK Dons rebuild forced on him when he lost his best players there one summer).

 

 

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2 minutes ago, supercidered said:

They did sack him. Apparently, because he had to sell his best 2 players then loads of posters on here think that is fine and dandy. Also apparently, not his fault that he couldn't Coach the remaining 23 players in to accumulating more tan just 15 points from over 20 games.

He must be bloody good at interviews.

So he was sacked from his first English managerial post 😱.  So what?  He still had a win ratio of 48% when he left.  He's young enough to be learning and improving.  And how many managers have never been sacked?? 

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2 minutes ago, supercidered said:

You could be right there. However, somebody must have said to him to talk them through what happened at MK Dons when you got 15 points from 20+ games?

MK Dons still got relegated that season, IIRC in a worse position than he left them in, so not exactly a failure on him is it? If anything points to external circumstance, I.e losing a load of players, it’s that 

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4 minutes ago, ReturnedRobin said:

Big dose of realism required. If we accept NP is gone, we have to appoint a replacement. We can't hire another manager in his traditional managerial mould (i.e. Rowett, Jones, etc.). So the only way for the board to justify NP's exit is to pivot into a new route and then you're looking at Profile/Vanity appointment or New style/On-the-grass appointment.

Both seem a roll of dice. Neither will have consensus on here. And neither has a deep list containing candidates with either "proven track record with recent success" or "recent success with a proven track record" because as a Club we're not big enough to compete in those spheres.

So it's a case of sitting back and riding out the decision that's been made (accepting the NP thing is done, dusted and gone).

So if you look at the LM side of things his win record is pretty strong, especially when you consider there's a crappy 11 game period in that when he was sacked at MK Dons:
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Context is also important in that he was sacked because his best players were sold and they had a slow start. Under the hood of MK, and before that, he took a bottom third team to third in 12 months. We all know MK Dons are a basket club. He's then repeated bottom third to top 2  at Oxford (admittedly it's November still........). So whilst he's only 140-odd games into his managerial career, achieveing over 48% win rate in English football at any professional level is something to take notice of.

The bigger concern is arguably the PR machine and fog. As @Davefevs has pointed out, Manning's playing style doesn't necessarily suit the players in the building. And if we look at when he struggled at MK Dons it was when the club hierarchy disrupted what he was building by selling his best players. Our club is talking about recruiting a head coach that can work within the current structure of the club, but given we are a selling club that tends to sell it's best asset each window it seems like a bit of a hit-and-hope that Manning can deal with losing his best players in the middle of building something when this is the only real blemish on his managerial CV to date (i.e. not recovering from the MK Dons rebuild forced on him when he lost his best players there one summer).

 

 

Thanks for that but not sure about your own personal input is of any credence, let the facts speak for themselves in his very good win record.

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9 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Depends how you wanna look at it. Rob Edwards had never managed league 1, McKenna had never been a manager…

Carrick, McKenna, Schamacher,  Dahl Tomasson, Rosinior to name just a few have all done relatively well in their first managerial posts 

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22 minutes ago, Ecko said:

Please tell me how this is an exciting appointment?

Exciting only from the perspective of him being largely unknown, but with a reputation of developing exciting, attacking teams (as opposed to an experienced championship manager with set/predictable style of management). I accept that I'm more likely to be disappointed by the outcome of tenure than you, but for now I choose to have feelings of happiness and enthusiasm.

But let me put it another way, had the circumstances been different (e.g. Nigel left by his own accord), would you feel differently about this appointment?

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If Manning had seen out the season with Oxford, it’s very likely that his reputation would have seen him get a club higher than us. I’m optimistic that at least we have tried to get someone on the up rather than gone for a mediocre out of work Championship manager.

As I have posted before, to get promoted from this division you need to have something that is significantly better than our peers. That could be budget, recruitment record, tactics or coaching. We cannot have a larger budget than our peers due to trampoline payments, our recruitment isn’t of a Brighton/Brentford standard (and we sell any good Academy prospects we are fortunate enough to unearth)

So, we have to go the coaching/tactics route. We at least give ourselves a chance of that with this appointment than by appointing a perennial failure at this level.

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1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

From one stupid decision to another. Absolutely livid.

And you wanted Lampard 😂

Glad you arent making the decisions.

Manning has show alot of promise. Lampard hasnt. Despite having a ridiculous amount of resources and talent.

Go and look at their win percentages aswell.

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1 minute ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Thanks for that but not sure about your own personal input is of any credence, let the facts speak for themselves in his very good win record.

A win record not in the Championship or any other comparable league.

We all know how savage the Championship is and that win record counts for F All. 

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1 minute ago, Riaz said:

And you wanted Lampard 😂

Glad you arent making the decisions.

Manning has show alot of promise. Lampard hasnt. Despite having a ridiculous amount of resources and talent.

Go and look at their win percentages aswell.

I'd have Lampard all day long over a guy that got sacked by MK. 

Listening to this guy is just like listening to LJ all over again.

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3 minutes ago, Scrumpty said:

Exciting only from the perspective of him being largely unknown, but with a reputation of developing exciting, attacking teams (as opposed to an experienced championship manager with set/predictable style of management). I accept that I'm more likely to be disappointed by the outcome of tenure than you, but for now I choose to have feelings of happiness and enthusiasm.

But let me put it another way, had the circumstances been different (e.g. Nigel left by his own accord), would you feel differently about this appointment?

I wouldn't. No.

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Just now, supercidered said:

A win record not in the Championship or any other comparable league.

We all know how savage the Championship is and that win record counts for F All. 

A win record like his at any level is impressive. He may or may not be able to translate that to the championship, but it is a good sign

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Just now, supercidered said:

A win record not in the Championship or any other comparable league.

We all know how savage the Championship is and that win record counts for F All. 

Dorking Wanderers manager/owner win record must be through the roof 10 odd promotions in 20 odd years, get him in. Win percentages not at the level mean jack-all.

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7 minutes ago, the1stknowle said:

Yeah, exactly. Everyone needs to start somewhere, right. What is the correct career path for a coach of Bristol City? Just someone on the Championship roundabout? A foreign manager with experience of lower leagues abroad? Someone already inside Bristol City coaching set up getting promoted? Or one of the most promising managers at the top of the league below?

Whatever people think about the appointment, this smacks of having a clear plan which has been a persistent critique of the leadership over the last week and bit. It's consistent with what they said they were looking for. 

Easy to mock appointing a lower league manager (if it happens) but I actually do think this is an exciting appointment very different for some of the appointments used as a reference point. Think this isn't a case of 'they don't know what they're doing' but suggests they know exactly what they're doing. Whether that clear plan proves correct, let's see. 

Hopefully everyone gets on board, because the strong platform Nige leaves behind will mean nothing if fans don't get behind appointment from beginning. I'm optimistic if this happens.

Hmmm but we have done this before, many times. It has always failed. They just fired all of the people who created the platform from Nige, so there is zero continuity. We have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. So if this smacks of having a clear plan, well great, it is the first time in 25 years the Lansdowns have had that, because all I have ever seen is a flip-flop from one plan to another, and a complete ignorance as to why any of those plans have never worked. The reason for that is it would require some extreme self-analysis, and that would highlight where the issues are at Bristol Cty. That you now have Jl and Tinnion inventing the latest strategy, tells me everything. Until we get rid of JL, all of his cronies, and create a world-class recruitment team, Bristol City is going nowhere fast. 

Manning could well be, after numerous attempts, the one that finally breaks the Lansdown duck of unproven managers having success, but there is a big difference to being an up-and-coming manager dropping into Brentford, Brighton or even Luton (latest obsession) and BCFC. It is the lack of understanding as to why that is the case that will hinder Manning. It is only when BCFC have had stronger character managers have the club has been able to create some success or stability. This is because they can resist the Lansdown-led nepotism and cronyism structure more. 

But as we have a a squad that is capable of promotion according to BT and JL, then Manning should be an odds-on success with better training, fitness and coaching. Good luck to him, and he will only get support from the fans. No one wants the club to fail. 

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Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

I'd have Lampard all day long over a guy that got sacked by MK. 

Listening to this guy is just like listening to LJ all over again.

What has Lampard done thats impressive. I keep asking, but ive not got a proper answer other than a good start at chelsea.

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There's so much snobbery on here over Manning.

 

His points per game over his career is about 1.62, a total that over a season would be about 50% chance of getting to the playoffs.

A near 50% win rate at all clubs he's managed.

 

He's not managed in the Championship? OK, he's 38 for ***** sake, are you expecting him to have just walked straight into a Championship or Premier league side as his first job? The ones that do that are the exceptions usually because they were a big name as a player (Lampard, Rooney) but neither of them have been particularly good as managers, and I'd far rather give Manning a try than either of those.

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