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28 minutes ago, Dan11 said:

Ipswich fan here...

Manning is a very impressive coach with quite a similar background to McKenna. He has spent years learning his craft, specialising as a coach after retiring from football young. He started coaching at Ipswich in his 20's and was very highly thought of before going to West Ham where he did an excellent job. He was then poached by and progressed through the ranks with the 'City Group' who don't just take any mug! His MK Dons side were fantastic (we played them a couple of times in L1) and they were extremely unfortunate not to get promoted with 89 points. If he hadn't lost everyone half decent from that side, he would have challenged again last year (thankfully for us he did and they didn't!). It is no surprise to me he has got Oxford playing great football and competing at the top of the league this year.

If McKenna were to go tomorrow, I can guarantee he would be most Ipswich fans choice to take over. He shares the same footballing principles and also has a lot of the same personality qualities - very emotionally intelligent and players will love playing for him. His assistant (assuming he comes too) Chris Hogg is also a fantastic coach that was highly thought of here too and he ended up spending time at Newcastle as U23s coach. 

And tonight Matthew, I'm going to be . . . . .

 

Mark Ashton !!!

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8 minutes ago, NewquayRed said:

What excites me about this is that he obviously sees plenty of potential in this squad to make what is a pretty high risk move for him, ballsy decision when he's plane sailing at Oxford presently.  Get's my vote that 

I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion, or think it's high-risk or ballsy. He got MK Dons to the playoffs in May, and sacked in December. I'm not surprised he'll jump at the chance to climb the ladder, he has direct experience of how quick it is to go from hero to P45. 

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I'm so done with our club right now. 

Need a new owner with both Lansdowns gone along with Tinnion. Feel so disillusioned with City it's unreal, and it's all because of our owner and the stupid decisions he makes regarding our managers time and time again. 

 

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5 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

One of my big concerns is that him and Nige both have very different perspectives on the game. 

Nige has been at an elite level. He knows what we were missing and what was required to get to that level. 

Manning doesn't have that elite perspective. He's coming from League One. The step up is huge. 

The quality of players is much higher and our facilities are much better. 

Is he going to walk in and think wow all this is absolutely fantastic? Compared fo where he's come from? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He spent several years at West Ham, so I doubt it.

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10 minutes ago, NewquayRed said:

What excites me about this is that he obviously sees plenty of potential in this squad to make what is a pretty high risk move for him, ballsy decision when he's plane sailing at Oxford presently.  Get's my vote that 

Just for clarity, I don't get the sense that anyone one here blames Liam  If offered the job, he would have to be insane to not accept it.  I'm sure he is a talented coach with plenty of potential and have no doubts he will bust his guts to do the best he can here.

My anger is at the ownership.  Just when most of us felt we had an identity and a real connection to the team, they throw everything up in the air again.  Good pal of mine is a Brum fan, very similar parallels between supporters of BCFC's.

Good luck Liam, we ARE all behind you and want to see you succeed, we just do not like the way your predecessor was removed and many of us cannot shake the feeling that the chairman was not being honest when giving his reasons.

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23 minutes ago, Nugget said:

Anyone from Oxford player wise he’d wanna bring I wonder 

I liked the look of Brannagan against us although he is probably the wrong side of 25 to interest us, but I would suggest that @Harry would be the best person to let us know who might be a good fit here.

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36 minutes ago, Dan11 said:

Ipswich fan here...

Manning is a very impressive coach with quite a similar background to McKenna. He has spent years learning his craft, specialising as a coach after retiring from football young. He started coaching at Ipswich in his 20's and was very highly thought of before going to West Ham where he did an excellent job. He was then poached by and progressed through the ranks with the 'City Group' who don't just take any mug! His MK Dons side were fantastic (we played them a couple of times in L1) and they were extremely unfortunate not to get promoted with 89 points. If he hadn't lost everyone half decent from that side, he would have challenged again last year (thankfully for us he did and they didn't!). It is no surprise to me he has got Oxford playing great football and competing at the top of the league this year.

If McKenna were to go tomorrow, I can guarantee he would be most Ipswich fans choice to take over. He shares the same footballing principles and also has a lot of the same personality qualities - very emotionally intelligent and players will love playing for him. His assistant (assuming he comes too) Chris Hogg is also a fantastic coach that was highly thought of here too and he ended up spending time at Newcastle as U23s coach. 

Great to hear, sounds like we've got a good 'un! ... good luck to the lad. COYR.

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43 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Can absolutely be incredulous at some of the responses.

The blunt truth

NP wasn't getting the results on field as was his KPI too.

The football wasn't great ( Niges greatest matches thread is conspicuous by it's absence)

Out of contract and not going to be renewed.

Lots of cultural shift sure.

That ship sailed.

Again with the responses all sense of nuance is lost and large swathes of replies begin with an approximation of ' but nige' or any other ever increasing bizarre rants against a person who's yet to coach a game for us.

'As was his KPI too'.

It's a very selectively chosen time to hold him against KPI's though isn't it? He and other managers have both missed position targets before and been given far longer, so why not here? And also, it was only the board who expected promotion. Anyone else who knows an ounce about football had very little actual expectation of promotion this season. So why the change in ruthlessness? It's because deep down it had nothing to do with league position, and we can all see it.

Anyways, we've now 'upgraded' to Liam Manning, so let's see how it goes. But still, a decision that should never, ever have had to be made, and coming out of it with Liam Manning, as promising as he may be, just makes it look even more stupid.

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20 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

The club have stated that they believe that we have a squad that should be challenging. 

So with that in mind then any investment into the playing side should be minimal? And along the lines of what Pearson was likely to have recieved in the next window. 

My concern is that this guys system doesn't fit with what we've currently got and therefore hes going to need lots of money in order to get in the players that fit his system. 

Thats not the route I thought we were going down. I was under the impression that we'd ve bringing in someone who could work with the players and system that we already have. 

That's a concern I'd share. Opinion seems divided on that on here - and there are others on both sides who have far more knowledge of that than I have.

I agree that a shed load of money just to pay off existing players and bring in replacements isn't good sense. But some of the Scott money to enhance what we've currently got might have been right for Pearson and may be right for the new guy. I read some posts (not yours) which seem to say that it was wrong not to give Pearson more funds and that because of that it will be wrong to give his successor more funds. That doesn't make sense to me. 

I must admit that one thing that surprised me - and concerns me - is the suggestion that we need a consistent system, ethos, style throughout the club - first team, under 23s, under 21s etc. It surprised and concerned me because I'd just assumed that was what we had been doing for years! It seems obvious. But apparently not - and friends who watch the under 21s confirm as much! 

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8 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

From what I've read 3 at the back possession football? That's not what we are set up for.

In his video he talks about not being rigid and using options that allow players to show their abilities rather than shoehorn them into a "system".  However I would argue that with the 2 Robs, Naismith Vyner and Pring as options we could play a back 3 out of those 5. 

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59 minutes ago, Meh said:

43 years since we were last in the top flight.

18 years since judge me on Tinnion.

7 years ago since Lee Johnson was at the helm and given millions.

Been taking my 28 year old daughter to the Gate for 25 years and she has not seen top flight football 

I have been going myself regularly for 40 years and never seen it.

Yet all I am seeing now is the normal, take it up the wrong ‘un City fan acceptance and the “give it time” type posts as we endure the latest Lansdown managed “reset”.

I feel I have given it quite enough time and I pray that the Lansdowns (and Tinnion) are out of this club very, very soon.

Back when I was 13 I would have laughed at suggestions I may not see top flight football in my lifetime but as we bounce around from one “give it a couple of years”  to the next reset I do wonder ….. !!

The ‘joys’ of following City infortunately.

We’ve git a ridiculously patient and tolerant fanbase and the owners totally take that for granted.

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7 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

From what I've read 3 at the back possession football? That's not what we are set up for.

Now if who scored is to be trusted they have played 4 at the back in every game bar 1 in the league this season. 

But even so define possession football? There are plenty of ways you can have possession, some teams will try and be like man city and ratain the ball and slowly move forward and move the ball side to side to work space and then exploit, other sides use possession to draw the opposition out and then move the ball quickly to bypass the press and get the ball from back to front quickly. 

But equally how much better would we be if we moved the ball quicker than a tortoise, how many times do we have the ball at the back and then finding 3 statues in front of them the defenders just hump a long ball aimlessly forward, where a bit of quick passing in midfield (which James, knight and TGH are all more than capable of doing) we would have a chance of breaking sides down at home. 

We are all judging Manning on either 2nd hand comments or minimal viewing so it's difficult to say how exactly Manning is going to have us playing, as from the limited bits I have seen his team seem capable of both moving the ball back to front very quickly and also retaining possession which I think should be more than within the skill set of our squad. 

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10 minutes ago, Akira said:

I'm so done with our club right now. 

Need a new owner with both Lansdowns gone along with Tinnion. Feel so disillusioned with City it's unreal, and it's all because of our owner and the stupid decisions he makes regarding our managers time and time again. 

 

I'll give Manning a fair chance to see if he take the baton from Peatson and keep running with it.

What is so irksome is it's a "roll of the dice" that was totally unnecessary. 

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15 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

One of my big concerns is that him and Nige both have very different perspectives on the game. 

Nige has been at an elite level. He knows what we were missing and what was required to get to that level. 

Manning doesn't have that elite perspective. He's coming from League One. The step up is huge. 

The quality of players is much higher and our facilities are much better. 

Is he going to walk in and think wow all this is absolutely fantastic? Compared fo where he's come from? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Oh I didn't realise he was the West Ham manager before he got sacked by MK Dons.

He was the person responsible for overseeing Academy players into senior players. Rice came through that process.

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4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Oh I didn't realise he was the West Ham manager before he got sacked by MK Dons.

Is your hatred towards the potential new manager stooping so low that you are now saying he will be overwhelmed by the shiny facilities? 

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4 minutes ago, Akira said:

I'm so done with our club right now. 

Need a new owner with both Lansdowns gone along with Tinnion. Feel so disillusioned with City it's unreal, and it's all because of our owner and the stupid decisions he makes regarding our managers time and time again. 

 

I'm done as well.

200 mile round trip for me for home games, match tickets x2, train, cider and taxis. I don't get much change out of £250. 

I'll always support City but it will be from a far for a while. Sick of it all now and need a break from this bullshit merry go round. I'm not going to keep spending my hard earned when we keep going back to square one or maybe even worse. I actually thought we were on an upward trajectory with NP albeit quite slowly. 

The NP sacking was almost the last straw but I stupidly thought that maybe this time the hierarchy had a cunning plan. As it turned out that plan is Liam Manning. If it wasn't so sh!te it could be funny but it is too sh!te to be funny.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

So we are likely to hire the 'Head coach' of a team we thrashed 9-2 on aggregate over two games within the last 3 months. Amazing, John, any more bright ideas ?

TBF the first of this games saw 11 changes having beaten Swansea the night before and the other was the League Cup, I don't know if he made many changes for that.

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3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

In his video he talks about not being rigid and using options that allow players to show their abilities rather than shoehorn them into a "system".  However I would argue that with the 2 Robs, Naismith Vyner and Pring as options we could play a back 3 out of those 5. 

Just because we could (if players are fit) doesn't mean we should!

We've recruited for 433. 

3 at the back just doesn't suit this club.

It was a disaster against Coventry. 

The purpose of making a change wasn't to rip everything up and start again. It was to enhance upon what we already had, apparently. 

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3 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

The ‘joys’ of following City infortunately.

We’ve git a ridiculously patient and tolerant fanbase and the owners totally take that for granted.

Exactly. There will be endless posts about "getting behind the team", "give the guy a chance", "go support the gas if you don't like it" ... the lansdowns have their own unpaid PR drones on here 

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2 hours ago, Ian M said:

He places an emphasis on practice being excellent every day. Those words will be a dream to our hierarchy 😅

Joking aside, he seems fairly similar to Nige with much of what he talks about.

He says " In terms of and obviously" a lot. Just like Nige.

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2 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

The ‘joys’ of following City infortunately.

We’ve git a ridiculously patient and tolerant fanbase and the owners totally take that for granted.

Well when we got relegated from the top flight, I said to my dad (god rest his soul). "At least we won't have to wait another 65 years like last time". I'm not wrong yet.

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1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Just because we could (if players are fit) doesn't mean we should!

We've recruited for 433. 

3 at the back just doesn't suit this club.

It was a disaster against Coventry. 

The purpose of making a change wasn't to rip everything up and start again. It was to enhance upon what we already had, apparently. 

So you are ignoring the bit where I said he says he uses systems for players, not the other way around? You are being incredibly one eyed about this whole thing to be honest.

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16 minutes ago, Akira said:

I'm so done with our club right now. 

Need a new owner with both Lansdowns gone along with Tinnion. Feel so disillusioned with City it's unreal, and it's all because of our owner and the stupid decisions he makes regarding our managers time and time again. 

 

 

1 minute ago, supercidered said:

I'm done as well.

200 mile round trip for me for home games, match tickets x2, train, cider and taxis. I don't get much change out of £250. 

I'll always support City but it will be from a far for a while. Sick of it all now and need a break from this bullshit merry go round. I'm not going to keep spending my hard earned when we keep going back to square one or maybe even worse. I actually thought we were on an upward trajectory with NP albeit quite slowly. 

The NP sacking was almost the last straw but I stupidly thought that maybe this time the hierarchy had a cunning plan. As it turned out that plan is Liam Manning. If it wasn't so sh!te it could be funny but it is too sh!te to be funny.

 

 

Yep, really feeling these posts. I'm not quite there yet in terms of being 'done' but I'm as close as I've ever been. Under Pearson it was far from perfect but we had players who played to the final whistle, full of energy and full of youngsters, it really felt like our club had a real identity. And a tiny, really daft part of me thought that maybe we are now finally sewing the seeds to go and do a Leicester, or a Bristol City equivalent. There was something there.

But yep, in one swoop we've had a very quick reminder of who really owns the club, that any manager with an ounce of authority or leadership can only be at the helm for so long, and we've gone and finished it off with yet another punt for sod all reason.

Once again, no beef with Manning, and I hope he does well, but it felt like a lot of the optimism for our club just got ripped out in one moment, and a huge amount of cultural work at the club, the most difficult type at that, just thrown in the bin.

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Manning?  Meh (or in our case, Meh-meti )

If/when he's announced officially, for me, it's simply a case of "whatever".

Seems there is little we can do about it.

Appointing Bernard Manning would have been less controversial.  (long history of big clubs)

 

 

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4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Just because we could (if players are fit) doesn't mean we should!

We've recruited for 433. 

3 at the back just doesn't suit this club.

It was a disaster against Coventry. 

The purpose of making a change wasn't to rip everything up and start again. It was to enhance upon what we already had, apparently. 

You ignored the bit where you were told he's played 4 at the back every game bar 1 this season though didn't you...

 

If you're going to be unreasonable about this, at least have the integrity to be honest while doing so.

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This thread has the makings of a OTIB classic.

Mark my words there will be some humble pie being served in 6-12 months time. Manning has a tough job but we as supporters are so out of touch with modern football coaching in the main - we are the WORST people to determine he is the wrong person for this club.

Speak to people in the game and read up about Manning and based on who we are, it's a perfectly acceptable if not a very good choice for us. 

Too many on here are blinkered by football manager and 'names' that they fail to see, the game of football has evolved massively in the last 24 months. At professional level, it's being played in a way and system not seen before and some clubs will get left behind. 

NP was stuck in the old school approach (nothing wrong with that, if your thing) but we've actually gone and got ourselves a progressive coach, that develops youth and yet posters are besides themselves at who is coming in. 

I understand what a forum is for, but some perspective wouldn't be a bad thing. 

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21 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I liked the look of Brannagan against us although he is probably the wrong side of 25 to interest us, but I would suggest that @Harry would be the best person to let us know who might be a good fit here.

Only 27...and top of their assists, if it's anyone, it would be Branagan?     

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1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

All the bullshit bingo he speaks.

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

The likes of Gary O'Neill etc used to not take LJ seriously because they could see right through the bullshit he spoke. 

The same will happen with our current players and Manning.

I think you're being unfair on Manning.

Firstly, he's not Lee Johnson. Just because he's a young L1 manager appointed by the Lansdowns, it doesn't automatically make him LJ.

Secondly, why do some fans have such a disliking for managers using technical language? Have you considered that it might not be "bullshit", and he might just happen to know quite a bit about coaching football? Besides, who are we to tell a professional football manager that they talk "bullshit"?

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This thread has the makings of a OTIB classic.

Mark my words there will be some humble pie being served in 6-13 months time. Manning has a tough job but we as supporters are so our of touch with modern football coaching on the main - we are the WORST people to determine he is the wrong person for this club.

Speak to people in the game and read up about Manning and based on who we are, it's a perfectly acceptable if not a very good choice for us. 

Too many on here are blinkered by football manager and 'names' that they fail to see, the game of football has evolved massively in the last 24 months. At professional level, it's being played in a way and system not seen before.

NP was stuck in the old school approach (nothing wrong with that, if your thing) but we've actually gone and got ourselves a progressive coach, that develops youth and yet posters are besides themselves at who is coming in. 

I understand what a forum is for, but some perspective wouldn't be a bad thing. 

I agree but to me this is an obvious consequence of the decision made, however some of the enshrining of Nige into something he absolutely wasn't is just wierd, the fact that we've been told that a man who spent what a season and a half at the top level all of that either getting a side relegated or saving a side from relegation has an elite mentality that a man who has been credited with developing some top class talent at West Ham doesn't have an elite mentality. 

 

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1 minute ago, Sandhurst Red said:

NP was stuck in the old school approach (nothing wrong with that, if your thing) but we've actually gone and got ourselves a progressive coach

How is he progressive? Apart from being young.  How will he utilise this squad better than Pearson did? How is he an improvement to what we had before? 

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6 minutes ago, transfer reader said:

You ignored the bit where you were told he's played 4 at the back every game bar 1 this season though didn't you...

 

If you're going to be unreasonable about this, at least have the integrity to be honest while doing so.

I'm unreasonable for not wanting someone who was sacked by MK a year ago? Right. 

I looked at their past few games where they played 3 at the back plus i read some articles about him playing 3atb so if youre going to cast aspersions, then please have the integrity of being honest while doing so.

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45 minutes ago, NewquayRed said:

What excites me about this is that he obviously sees plenty of potential in this squad to make what is a pretty high risk move for him, ballsy decision when he's plane sailing at Oxford presently.  Get's my vote that 

Really? A load more money, better facilities, more exposure. If he gets sacked then he makes a mint. Win win for him. Not ballsy at all. 

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15 minutes ago, Sandhurst Red said:

This thread has the makings of a OTIB classic.

Mark my words there will be some humble pie being served in 6-12 months time. Manning has a tough job but we as supporters are so out of touch with modern football coaching in the main - we are the WORST people to determine he is the wrong person for this club.

Speak to people in the game and read up about Manning and based on who we are, it's a perfectly acceptable if not a very good choice for us. 

Too many on here are blinkered by football manager and 'names' that they fail to see, the game of football has evolved massively in the last 24 months. At professional level, it's being played in a way and system not seen before and some clubs will get left behind. 

NP was stuck in the old school approach (nothing wrong with that, if your thing) but we've actually gone and got ourselves a progressive coach, that develops youth and yet posters are besides themselves at who is coming in. 

I understand what a forum is for, but some perspective wouldn't be a bad thing. 

My gut instinct is that he's got something about him. That we've probably done well to nab him before someone higher up the food chain - or someone lower who then passes us by!

What I worry about - based on the posters who know plenty about the way his sides play - is that we haven't got the right mix of players.

We may well have unearthed a good un who fits the owner's (current) vision - but does he fit the players we've got? That's far more important.

Otherwise, it'll be "give me three transfer windows" again, and round and round we go. 

I'm cautiously optimistic. (Assuming it happens) 

If we continue to have an absurd injury list, we'd struggle with Guardiola in charge. So that has to change. 

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