Liam Manning - CONFIRMED NEW HEAD COACH

[Barrs Court Red]

54 minutes ago, Cristored said:

Well you’re very wrong, please do tell my name and job role? 

Jon’s carer?

[fisherrich]

16 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

This is my concern. That everything gets ripped up and we start again. That's not what we need. 

It was stated that whoever we brought in would need to fit into this structure and I have my concerns that this may not be the case with Manning. 

We have been through 3-4 years of absolute crap to get our squad to where it is now. I'd say this is one of the best squads we've ever had in terms of quality and mentality. 

We don't need revolution, we don't even need evolution. We just need enhancement. 

My worry is that Manning is going to recieve LJ levels of support and then we are back to where we started. 

You can hear the excuses already about him not having the right players to play his system and that alone shows this could be the wrong appointment.

We don't need to recruit and give him time to recruit for his preferred system. He needs to work with what he has got.

This has the potential to go very wrong very quickly and that concerns me.

Time will tell. But I agree. Which is why the Lansdownes need to sell up asap.
How many more mistakes will they make? My patience wore out ages ago. 

There track record is quite honestly pretty crap. Hope this is not another one to add to the long list.

 

[bartolona]

The Lansdowns won’t allow this to fail. I’m expecting the wallet to come out in January.

[W-S-M Seagull]

We didn't give Pearson a press conference did we? 

 

 

 

 

[Gazred]

Well after reading and watching a lot of stuff on him, reading varying opinions on here and the Oxford forum, I've got a good feeling about this appointment.

He's an interesting guy to learn about. Get used to hearing the word principles a lot.

Welcome and good luck Liam.

[Bedred31]

If this works- and it may- I think it’s fair to say we’ll be very happy and, honestly, a bit surprised.

If this doesn’t work- and our history suggests it may well not- I won’t be particularly surprised and, honestly, pretty resigned to disappointment. 
Such is the reality of the last ten years or so.

[W-S-M Seagull]

Just now, bartolona said:

The Lansdowns won’t allow this to fail. I’m expecting the wallet to come out in January.

And that's my concern. 

If he doesn't start off well and the pressure is on in Jan, he'll recieve LJ levels of support because we have that "nest egg" 

If those players are on the level of LJ signings then we then have 2-3 years of trying to get rid of them and getting the squad back to the current shape it is in.

[samo II]

Good luck to him, I suspect he’ll need it as he enters a difficult situation, mainly due to fan reaction.

2 minutes ago, bartolona said:

The Lansdowns won’t allow this to fail. I’m expecting the wallet to come out in January.

I suspect this too, which will feel like an extra slap in the face to Pearson.

He may end up an excellent head coach for us, and I of course hope he does, but I’d suggest he also kind of needs to succeed now (by which I mean immediately) or the whole end of the Pearson era and the reasoning for it will hang over him.

[cotswoldred2]

4 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

Jon’s carer?

How insulting? You come over as a piece of work....

[Davefevs]

51 minutes ago, Philly The Kid said:

I'm sure I heard on Talksport a while ago that the standard was one year's salary on termination. Obviously this can probably vary in an upward direction but I'm sure some bloke from the LMA said it was a years money.

The LMA themselves state that there is no standard manager contract “template”.  And I’m probably being pedantic re your use of the word “standard”, when it might be better to say it’s “often” 1 year.  Not that I’m great with words!

[BrizzleRed]

6 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

Jon’s carer?

Or crayon monitor

[SomeRandomBristolian]

Although I do think getting rid of Pearson was the wrong decision, as I really thought we were making good solid progress under him, with him working in very difficult circumstances with regards to budget, FFP and player sales. I do hope the gamble to appoint Liam Manning Pays off. Only time will tell I guess, lets see what happens. 

[Southport Red]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

The LMA themselves state that there is no standard manager contract “template”.  And I’m probably being pedantic re your use of the word “standard”, when it might be better to say it’s “often” 1 year.  Not that I’m great with words!

Sorry Fevs, don’t understand what you are trying to say

[pillred]

3 hours ago, johnheadbcfc said:

I'm a forum reader from the early 2000s but as I get older I enjoy debating more

I agree there's nothing like a mass debate :laugh:.

[myol'man]

I knew I'd seen him somewhere before

[Sleepy1968]

17 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

This is my concern. That everything gets ripped up and we start again. That's not what we need. 

It was stated that whoever we brought in would need to fit into this structure and I have my concerns that this may not be the case with Manning. 

We have been through 3-4 years of absolute crap to get our squad to where it is now. I'd say this is one of the best squads we've ever had in terms of quality and mentality. 

We don't need revolution, we don't even need evolution. We just need enhancement. 

My worry is that Manning is going to recieve LJ levels of support and then we are back to where we started. 

You can hear the excuses already about him not having the right players to play his system and that alone shows this could be the wrong appointment.

We don't need to recruit and give him time to recruit for his preferred system. He needs to work with what he has got.

This has the potential to go very wrong very quickly and that concerns me.

He's not LJ, MA isnt here, SL's purse string won't be as open as they were in the bad old days.

He's clearly got decent coaching ability, and his no 2 is a trusted experienced pro, so can you give them a break, and just see what happens, eh?

[Betty Swallocks]

2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

And that's my concern. 

If he doesn't start off well and the pressure is on in Jan, he'll recieve LJ levels of support because we have that "nest egg" 

If those players are on the level of LJ signings then we then have 2-3 years of trying to get rid of them and getting the squad back to the current shape it is in.

Can we stop comparing managers to LJ, it’s really weird. 
Judge people on their own merits rather than being lazy and comparing them to previous managers. 

[downendcity]

42 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

People are somewhat underwhelmed and sceptical would perhaps be a reason why.

Had one of our championship rivals appointed Manning, how many of those underwhelmed and sceptical fans would be saying that this is just the sort of young, forward thinking coach was should be after?

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

He's not LJ, MA isnt here, SL's purse string won't be as open as they were in the bad old days.

He's clearly got decent coaching ability, and his no 2 is a trusted experienced pro, so can you give them a break, and just see what happens, eh?

Can we respect that others have different opinions? 

[Sheltons Army]

 

 

[mozo]

Just now, downendcity said:

Had one of our championship rivals appointed Manning, how many of those underwhelmed and sceptical fans would be saying that this is just the sort of young, forward thinking coach was should be 

I don't think many football fans have heard of him

[cotswoldred2]

4 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Or crayon monitor

I just don't have the words to express how much I like this post!

[oldstandrobin]

16 minutes ago, Malago said:

I think sacking Nige was a huge mistake, but that’s water under Mann can do better than that I’ll be pleased.

COYR.

Jimmy Mann, now youre talking

[BookEnd]

Just watched the interview, reminded me alot of SOD with his "process's and outcomes" 

[ralphindevon]

I make that my 23rd appointed full time, not caretaker/interim manager as an attending City fan.

If you started supporting City between Oct 1967 and September 1980 you’ll have the same number as me, such was the longevity of Alan Dicks.

The first man on that list took us to the top, good luck Liam, here’s hoping you become the next. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said:

Can we stop comparing managers to LJ, it’s really weird. 
Judge people on their own merits rather than being lazy and comparing them to previous managers. 

It's not weird. It's weird that you think it's weird. 

It's not comparing him to LJ, it's comparing a head coach appointment vs another head coach appointment. The head coach vanity project that has failed on multiple occasions. 

Maybe this time it will be different. History tells me it won't be tho.

[The Bard]

1 hour ago, Randy Marsh II said:

Maybe he knows his limitations and has taken the money while he can? Would join a long list of City appointments to have done the same. 

Peter principle...

How much due diligence have we done? And I don't mean Tinnion watching Oxford.

[Show Me The Money!]

1 hour ago, GrumpyGit said:

I hope The Gas overtake you.

Now now. That was uncalled for. We might have stolen your head coach but we've not done anything drastic enough to say that.

Take it back!

[TonyTonyTony]

8 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

And that's my concern. 

If he doesn't start off well and the pressure is on in Jan, he'll recieve LJ levels of support because we have that "nest egg" 

If those players are on the level of LJ signings then we then have 2-3 years of trying to get rid of them and getting the squad back to the current shape it is in.

Why are you making up negative scenarios? Try and be positive about things 

 

[Phileas Fogg]

His interview is pretty good. I can see why he appealed, lots of buzzwords JL etc would’ve liked. It’s not LJ style waffle, but will take some adjusting after Pearson’s media handling which I think most people enjoyed.

Pretty much everything he says in interview covers what JL claimed we wanted - so it’s reassuring that it aligns.. I think. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Phileas Fogg

[WolfOfWestStreet]

5 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I agree we need Jon Lansdown to clarify that. He set the expectation so I would expect him to lay out the test of whether the manager he appointed succeeds or fails. Hopefully JL will update the fans in the coming weeks as to whether 7th is good enough or not.

7th -20th will be perfectly acceptable. I'm of the opinion Pearson was sacked because they don't like him not because of the team performance. 

I doubt Liam Manning will be under any immediate pressure to be challenging. 

 

 

[QuedgeRed]

4 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

I make that my 23rd appointed full time, not caretaker/interim manager as an attending City fan.

If you started supporting City between Oct 1967 and September 1980 you’ll have the same number as me, such was the longevity of Alan Dicks.

The first man on that list took us to the top, good luck Liam, here’s hoping you become the next. 

23rd it is then. 
Apart from Dicks, two have stood out for me.

TC AND JJ

lets hope we have a LM in the future.

Edited November 7, 2023 by QuedgeRed

[steviestevieneville]

12 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

And that's my concern. 

If he doesn't start off well and the pressure is on in Jan, he'll recieve LJ levels of support because we have that "nest egg" 

If those players are on the level of LJ signings then we then have 2-3 years of trying to get rid of them and getting the squad back to the current shape it is in.

It’s all what ifs though that you’re worrying about . Why not wait & see before panicking . 

[downendcity]

10 minutes ago, myol'man said:

I knew I'd seen him somewhere before

He looks nothing like Julie Andrews!

[Betty Swallocks]

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

It's not weird. It's weird that you think it's weird. 

It's not comparing him to LJ, it's comparing a head coach appointment vs another head coach appointment. The head coach vanity project that has failed on multiple occasions. 

Maybe this time it will be different. History tells me it won't be tho.

It’s just a lazy comparison. They’ve had different career paths, learnt the trade in different ways. They are different people with different ideas. 
The set up of the club is totally different to when LJ was in charge as well. 

Just because their roles are the same, it doesn’t mean their approach to the job will.

Whether Manning succeeds or fails, it has nothing to do with LJ’s time at the club. 

 

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Why are you making up negative scenarios? Try and be positive about things 

 

Why are you telling me what to say and think? 

[cotswoldred2]

6 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

I just don't have the words to express how much I like this post!

Or not...distance needed from the nasty repetitive childish comments.

[ralphindevon]

1 minute ago, QuedgeRed said:

23rd it is then. 
Apart from Dicks, two have stood out for me.

TC AND JJ

lets hope we have a LM in the future.

Yes those two stand out.

Thinking back to the day they were announced, I was thrilled when Coppell joined and underwhelmed when Cotterill joined, so no good asking me to predict what’s coming up! 

[Sheltons Army]

54 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

No, to me he looks like the new(ish) Van der valk .

Van der Valk ?

Nah

Step aside , the new man is in town 

 

 

[BetterRedthanBlue]

I hope he does well for us I really do.

My biggest concern is the players we have were brought in by Pearson to play his style of football and from the looks of it Manning plays a different style so we may have to spend money to get the style he wants which would probably annoying fans because Pearson wasn't backed...

[BrizzleRed]

1 minute ago, ralphindevon said:

I make that my 23rd appointed full time, not caretaker/interim manager as an attending City fan.

If you started supporting City between Oct 1967 and September 1980 you’ll have the same number as me, such was the longevity of Alan Dicks.

The first man on that list took us to the top, good luck Liam, here’s hoping you become the next. 

Christ, hoping you succeed where 22 of your predecessors have fallen short ….. that puts  the size of the task facing our Liam into sharp perspective.

Best of luck mate, you’re likely going to need it!

[W-S-M Seagull]

1 minute ago, Betty Swallocks said:

It’s just a lazy comparison. They’ve had different career paths, learnt the trade in different ways. They are different people with different ideas. 
The set up of the club is totally different to when LJ was in charge as well. 

Just because their roles are the same, it doesn’t mean their approach to the job will.

Whether Manning succeeds or fails, it has nothing to do with LJ’s time at the club. 

 

You're the only one going into detail comparing the two.

My concern is how the club themselves approaches the head coach role.

I'm not sure if you've been living under a rock the past few weeks or so, but Brian Tinnion being in the structure with such power doesn't fill me with much confidence anymore.

[old_eastender]

9 minutes ago, BookEnd said:

Just watched the interview, reminded me alot of SOD with his "process's and outcomes" 

Maybe so but at least he didn't come out with a load of LJ BS which had been suggested. Gotta give him a chance, 3 PTS at QPR would be ideal to start with?

[slartibartfast]

1 hour ago, AberRed said:

The Oxford club statement is worth a read

https://www.oufc.co.uk/news/2023/november/club-statement-liam-manning-departs/

Didn't even include a customary "Thanking him for his work during his time at the club". Oof!

They can have Frank ie L, now !

[Betty Swallocks]

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

You're the only one going into detail comparing the two.

My concern is how the club themselves approaches the head coach role.

I'm not sure if you've been living under a rock the past few weeks or so, but Brian Tinnion being in the structure with such power doesn't fill me with much confidence anymore.

I’m just highlighting why it’s ridiculous to bring up LJ in the first place. 
 

The fact that we have a recruitment team now is already an improvement on the LJ/MA era. I’m confident you won’t see BT running transfers like MA did. 

[Show Me The Money!]

I hope the digs about getting in the top 6 aren't a noose around this guy's neck. How many people realistically think whoever was appointed could get this team into the top 6.

Yes, we could maybe get close but i don't think we have anywhere near enough creativity and quality up front to threaten the top 6.

I do wish Liam all the best though and think he could be a good appointment in the longer term but not this season.

[Slack Bladder]

As I am spectacularly wrong in all my predictions

I hope this guy is really really sh1te

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Slack Bladder

[Barrs Court Red]

1 minute ago, Show Me The Money! said:

I hope the digs about getting in the top 6 aren't a noose around this guy's neck. How many people realistically think whoever was appointed could get this team into the top 6.

Yes, we could maybe get close but i don't think we have anywhere near enough creativity and quality up front to threaten the top 6.

I do wish Liam all the best though and think he could be a good appointment in the longer term but not this season.

Unless he has a start like Benny, I’m sure fans will give him plenty of time. 

[22A]

Right; now it's all done and settled, I'll admit it.

I wish him well as I would any new City Manager, but until two days ago, I had never heard of Liam Manning. 

 

[Street red]

18 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

 

 

Is that Jon Lansdown Speaks exactly like him  

[Show Me The Money!]

Just now, Slack Bladder said:

As I am spectacularly wrong in all my predictions

I hope this guy is really really sh1te

 

You mean you think he'll be really shite.

Come on man (or woman)! Can't even get your post right 

[One Team]

54 minutes ago, JP Hampton said:

Not so sure about that. I understand your reasons but I think most fans even those who didn’t want to see NP gone, will get on board and judge by what they see. If we get good results fans will be on board pretty quickly. 

Decent response JP and good to have another debate.

[Guest]

57 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

You don't think it was like Goodfellows............he was taken somewhere and told he was the new boss, he went in the door and saw Manning, "oh shit".......KERBLOWEY !

Has anyone seen him since this morning?

[97Red]

It's important we put our feelings and thoughts of Nigel behind us. As he phrased it, this is our club.

What I will say is he has built a strong foundation for Liam to build off and I hope he's a success. Welcome Liam, you have my full support, regardless of my thoughts towards the Lansdowns. 

[Yawantsumillgiveitya]

Being a Bristol City fan right now is like being cheated on by your wife right in front of you, then gaslighted when confronting it. Really hope this doesn’t backfire and cause us to go down.

[BigTone]

1 hour ago, Peter1450 said:

well if the majority of OTIB get their wishes he’ll be here longer than his paymasters…

Yeah right

[elhombrecito]

4 minutes ago, Street red said:

Is that Jon Lansdown Speaks exactly like him  

You think? He sounded very confident, whereas JL always sounds absolutely petrified.

[AppyDAZE]

Only just seen this.

Welcome onboard, Liam

and good luck!

Lansdowns, you’re still *****.

Edited November 7, 2023 by AppyDAZE

[BrightWhiteTrainers]

Depending on which side of the fence you're on -

He's either a young, upcoming and progressive modern coach.

Or a young, naive and inexperienced head coach, who can be manipulated by those above into being nothing more than a yes man because he's got a bigger job than he should have.

He may be a great success, but there's zero evidence for logical Footballing reasons, that this is a good decision and an adequate replacement. In all fairness though, it's not really a surprise when you've just sacked the individual with the most football knowledge at the Club. NP should've been moved upstairs whilst he sorts his health out and Manning should've come in with a contract to the end of the season, but it's fair to say that your owner wasn't capable of forging a relationship with NP in order to make this happen, as it would've been possible, as there's no way I see NP taking a job again this season.

[Bazooka Joe]

1 hour ago, Cristored said:

Well you’re very wrong, please do tell my name and job role? 

Are you concussed?  Maybe lost your memory?

I suggest HIA check.

[Bazooka Joe]

33 minutes ago, myol'man said:

I knew I'd seen him somewhere before

He looks ridiculous in that skirt.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, View from the Dolman said:

It's obviously possible he was informed on Saturday but some people made it sound like he was taken out to the bins and shot dead by Jon Lansdown with a pistol at close range.

Can’t say I’ve read that or seen it inferred, he was told on Saturday that he was being dismissed, the exact content of that conversation and the timescale for him leaving remains unknown to everyone except Curtis and whoever delivered it. What is known is that he new on Saturday night that he would be leaving.

Anyway the blood letting is over and we welcome the new head coach to the club, I doubt that any other coach has arrived at a club with the kind of expectation from any board that our new coach has.

I wonder what the cost has been to remove the four incumbents and recruit the two (at the moment) new people, circa £2M would be my guess.

[Slack Bladder]

13 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

You mean you think he'll be really shite.

Come on man (or woman)! Can't even get your post right 

Haha I even got this wrong!!

[Street red]

9 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

You think? He sounded very confident, whereas JL always sounds absolutely petrified.

Maybe I've still got his voice in my head from that interview but his way of speaking is very similar.. If this doesn't work out he is going to sound even more petrified Let's see where this takes us.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Street red

[cidered abroad]

26 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

I make that my 23rd appointed full time, not caretaker/interim manager as an attending City fan.

If you started supporting City between Oct 1967 and September 1980 you’ll have the same number as me, such was the longevity of Alan Dicks.

The first man on that list took us to the top, good luck Liam, here’s hoping you become the next. 

Amazingly @ralphindevon there were only four managers in my first thirty one years beginning in 1950. Pat Beasley, promotion, Peter Doherty, responsible for relegation but sacked before it happened. Fred Ford promotion and AD with promotion to Div One and also partly responsible for three relegations in a row even if he'd gone after first drop.

Eight up and seven down. Will Manning be responsible for a return to top tier before they screw the lid down?

[Bazooka Joe]

20 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

I hope the digs about getting in the top 6 aren't a noose around this guy's neck. How many people realistically think whoever was appointed could get this team into the top 6.

 

The Lansdowns and Tinnion?

[George Rs]

“The games for the fans” Steve wouldn’t have told him to say that! 

[Rossi the Robin]

The Manning from UNCLE

[RedM]

I find it easier to listen to him than slow, ponderous Pearson if I'm honest. Sounds intelligent and articulate. Good first impression.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Yawantsumillgiveitya said:

Being a Bristol City fan right now is like being cheated on by your wife right in front of you, then gaslighted when confronting it. Really hope this doesn’t backfire and cause us to go down.

This is my concern, yes the new breed of coaches need to be given their chance, but this is a guy stepping into a world that he has no knowledge of from the inside, hasn’t played at this level, hasn’t coached at this level, he has a relatively easy first batch of fixtures so that is in his favour, but I am concerned he really could crash and burn, I genuinely hope not, but it is one hell of a risk by JL and BT.

Under NP we had become relatively hard to beat, no hammerings this season, some close defeats, should the new guy change things radically we could all live to regret it.