Nige

[megansdad]

For those not on Twitter Nige messaged this morning with the below:

"I would like to thank the incredible consultants, nurses, staff and medical students at Kings College Hospital, in London, where I am staying this week, undergoing numerous tests to help determine my future treatment, in the hope of making a full recovery..."

Clearly a tough time for him but hopefully he's getting some good answers from the medical team and will find a path to swift 100% fitness.

[Son of Fred]

This visit to Kings College to ascertain a pathway for Nigels treatment would have been open, with a strong likelihood the Lansdownes were aware prior to the unfolding of recent events.

[Galley is our king]

5 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

This visit to Kings College to ascertain a pathway for Nigels treatment would have been open, with a strong likelihood the Lansdownes were aware prior to the unfolding of recent events.

Which makes their decision even more ******* diabolical!!!

Shame on them...

[Merrick's Marvels]

8 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

This visit to Kings College to ascertain a pathway for Nigels treatment would have been open, with a strong likelihood the Lansdownes were aware prior to the unfolding of recent events.

Yes, unlikely to have been arranged this week, post sacking. So we'd have been without him for the next 2 games anyway. Still kicking a man when he's down though!

But that's football. A lovely business. 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[Red Skin]

This is probably the only positive to come out of this mess.  At least Nige can concentrate on getting his health back on track. 

[Son of Fred]

4 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Which makes their decision even more ******* diabolical!!!

Shame on them...

Shame & eternal shame - nothing but shame..

[Barry Sheene]

Get well soon Nigel. Your health is far more important than this football club.

[headhunter]

3 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

This visit to Kings College to ascertain a pathway for Nigels treatment would have been open, with a strong likelihood the Lansdownes were aware prior to the unfolding of recent events.

Of course they were aware. They could have made this better for themselves and Nigel by saying he was going to take x weeks leave of absence to sort out his health. This could have led to them bringing in someone as an interim with Fleming & Euell reporting in or just leaving them to it.

I very much doubt Nige will be back to full fitness by the new year. Had he still been with us there would have been an even shorter period left on his contract and they could have dressed up his departure by saying they felt it was time to go in a new direction,  pay off the remainder and at the same time wish him well in his ongoing recovery.

He's gone because they don't like his forthright attitude, simple as that in my view. There was no plan in place to replace him.

[Galley is our king]

26 minutes ago, headhunter said:

Of course they were aware. They could have made this better for themselves and Nigel by saying he was going to take x weeks leave of absence to sort out his health. This could have led to them bringing in someone as an interim with Fleming & Euell reporting in or just leaving them to it.

I very much doubt Nige will be back to full fitness by the new year. Had he still been with us there would have been an even shorter period left on his contract and they could have dressed up his departure by saying they felt it was time to go in a new direction,  pay off the remainder and at the same time wish him well in his ongoing recovery.

He's gone because they don't like his forthright attitude, simple as that in my view. There was no plan in place to replace him.

Totally agree and also possibly ILLEGAL......

[headhunter]

1 minute ago, Galley is our king said:

Totally agree and also possibly ILLEGAL......

Don't know about illegal but callous and lacking any form of compassion come to mind in describing the behaviour towards him by the Lansdowns

[Bs4Red]

34 minutes ago, headhunter said:

Of course they were aware. They could have made this better for themselves and Nigel by saying he was going to take x weeks leave of absence to sort out his health. This could have led to them bringing in someone as an interim with Fleming & Euell reporting in or just leaving them to it.

I very much doubt Nige will be back to full fitness by the new year. Had he still been with us there would have been an even shorter period left on his contract and they could have dressed up his departure by saying they felt it was time to go in a new direction,  pay off the remainder and at the same time wish him well in his ongoing recovery.

He's gone because they don't like his forthright attitude, simple as that in my view. There was no plan in place to replace him.

Or because he’s not fit enough to manage the football club and the performance of the team at the moment for them wasn’t good enough. 

Difficult to manage a team when you’re barely around. 
 

See no issue with their decision. 

[sunningdalered]

Like a few others, I did wonder whether the club was taking the flack over removing NP to distract the focus from his ill-health, having come to a mutual acceptance with NP that he wasn't able to continue in the role for health reasons. It seems from the likes of the CF pre-match interview that I was seriously wrong in thinking the owners were anywhere near as noble as that!

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, Bs4Red said:

Or because he’s not fit enough to manage the football club and the performance of the team at the moment for them wasn’t good enough. 

Difficult to manage a team when you’re barely around. 
 

See no issue with their decision. 

It’s not very different to Alex Ferguson’s style of management.  He wasn’t out on the training ground.  Nige’s structure had him in a more observational role anyway because he empowered his coaches.

[GrahamC]

No point in covering old ground but certainly more than possible that Nige moved any potential treatment forward once he was sacked.

Probably was going to do this post QPR otherwise.

As for his alleged absence from the training ground, he was a leader who empowered others.

Some will never understand or use it as a stick to beat him, but it is a widespread management technique.

[italian dave]

16 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Totally agree and also possibly ILLEGAL......

Why?

[exAtyeoMax]

6 minutes ago, sunningdalered said:

Like a few others, I did wonder whether the club was taking the flack over removing NP to distract the focus from his ill-health, having come to a mutual acceptance with NP that he wasn't able to continue in the role for health reasons. It seems from the likes of the CF pre-match interview that I was seriously wrong in thinking the owners were anywhere near as noble as that!

That did cross my mind for a millisecond but there are better ways of doing that without taking down DR and JE as well! 

[Northern Red]

10 minutes ago, Bs4Red said:

Or because he’s not fit enough to manage the football club and the performance of the team at the moment for them wasn’t good enough. 

Difficult to manage a team when you’re barely around. 
 

See no issue with their decision. 

Well you wouldn't, seeing as you've wanted him sacked for the last 2 years.

[Mattredrobin]

Hope Nige gets well soon and they've managed to get to the bottom of what is causing it.

[Merrick's Marvels]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It’s not very different to Alex Ferguson’s style of management.  He wasn’t out on the training ground.  Nige’s structure had him in a more observational role anyway because he empowered his coaches.

Or Brian Clough's, back in the day - go for a game of squash and turn up at the end of training to give them a bollocking, then disappear until five to three on Saturday 

Worked a bloody treat.

(Nige a bit more compassionate I'd imagine and I've not heard that Cloughie was a tree-hugger, more's the pity)  

[pride of the west]

25 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Totally agree and also possibly ILLEGAL......

I doubt it's illegal as they're gonna still be paying him for the remainder of his contract

[Bs4Red]

33 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It’s not very different to Alex Ferguson’s style of management.  He wasn’t out on the training ground.  Nige’s structure had him in a more observational role anyway because he empowered his coaches.

Yeah I don’t disagree with that Fevs but unfortunately fact is. Results haven’t been good enough and the Lansdowns feel it’s not the sort of manager they want moving forward. 
 

The point I’m trying to make is they want someone more hands on. They want someone on the grass every day. 
The fact NP is of ill health shouldn’t affect that decision. 

[Bs4Red]

29 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Well you wouldn't, seeing as you've wanted him sacked for the last 2 years.

I have and I’ve openly said that. Doesn’t mean I think it’s mighty harsh the way he’s been treated. 
But if the Lansdown feel this approach of manager isn’t what they want and results haven’t been brilliant. 
NP has done his job off the pitch and I applaud him for getting us into a much better situation. 
On the pitch for me, he hasn’t got enough out of this squad and personally I don’t see the decision being that shocking. 
Clearly I’m in the minority with that view, but I think it was the right decision. 

[Galley is our king]

19 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Why?

From GOV.UK

Dismissing staff 

Dismissals due to illness 

Considering dismissing an employee

Dismissal is a last resort....

I repeat... DISMISSAL IS A LAST RESORT....

Dismisal is a last resort and you should consider as many ways as possible to help your employee including:

* Getting a medical report from their GP with the employees permission.

* Arranging a occupational health assessment.

* Make any reasonable adjustments to help them do their jobs.

I repeat ANY REASONABLE ADJUSTMENTS.

Now, who on here thinks ANY of the above were carried out?

The complete pillocks that now run our football club have, IMHO,  left themselves open to a strong case for illegal dismisal. It's also a terrible example for the club to set isn't it?

[Littlesh*t]

Anyone saying the club may have done this for his benefit, then why get rid of his backroom staff as well? 

 

[Bs4Red]

7 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

From GOV.UK

Dismissing staff 

Dismissals due to illness 

Considering dismissing an employee

Dismissal is a last resort....

I repeat... DISMISSAL IS A LAST RESORT....

Dismisal is a last resort and you should consider as many ways as possible to help your employee including:

* Getting a medical report from their GP with the employees permission.

* Arranging a occupational health assessment.

* Make any reasonable adjustments to help them do their jobs.

I repeat ANY REASONABLE ADJUSTMENTS.

Now, who on here thinks ANY of the above were carried out?

The complete pillocks that now run our football club have, IMHO,  left themselves open to a strong case for illegal dismisal. It's also a terrible example for the club to set isn't it?

6 out of a possible 18 points, 15th in the table, squad decimated and the managers refusal to utilise the loan and free agent market hampering us. 
Relationship between manager and owner not great. 
 

Manager not the type the owners want moving forward (want a head coach who is more hands on)

 

It really isn’t that mind boggling a decision. He’s done his job, thanks and move on.

[Numero Uno]

22 minutes ago, Bs4Red said:

6 out of a possible 18 points, 15th in the table, squad decimated and the managers refusal to utilise the loan and free agent market hampering us. 
Relationship between manager and owner not great. 
 

Manager not the type the owners want moving forward (want a head coach who is more hands on)

 

It really isn’t that mind boggling a decision. He’s done his job, thanks and move on.

Nige has made his position on loans clear from Day 1 and explained why too. Now, three years later, Tinnion and Crayon Boy have now decided they don’t like it. I might be very wide of the mark but something says to me this might all blow up in Tinnion’s face over the next 18 months………

Edited November 3, 2023 by Numero Uno

[italian dave]

24 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

From GOV.UK

Dismissing staff 

Dismissals due to illness 

Considering dismissing an employee

Dismissal is a last resort....

I repeat... DISMISSAL IS A LAST RESORT....

Dismisal is a last resort and you should consider as many ways as possible to help your employee including:

* Getting a medical report from their GP with the employees permission.

* Arranging a occupational health assessment.

* Make any reasonable adjustments to help them do their jobs.

I repeat ANY REASONABLE ADJUSTMENTS.

Now, who on here thinks ANY of the above were carried out?

The complete pillocks that now run our football club have, IMHO,  left themselves open to a strong case for illegal dismisal. It's also a terrible example for the club to set isn't it?

There’s so many assumptions and so much conjecture in this selective section from the complexity of employment law that it’s hard to know where to begin.

We have no idea what the actual reasons were, what the formal notifications etc will have said, whether or not the club did any of the above, what NPs contract said, no idea on any of that and a whole lot more.

And that’s before you get into the exceptionality of football managers ‘employment’ - just google ‘can football managers be unfairly dismissed’ and you’ll find any number of articles explaining why the ‘normal’ rules don’t apply.

The club will pay off his contract and that will be it.

I’m not arguing that NPs dismissal was the right thing to do, and I understand the views of those who think it was wrong, but there’s enough histrionics around it already without adding more! 

[Galley is our king]

5 minutes ago, italian dave said:

There’s so many assumptions and so much conjecture in this selective section from the complexity of employment law that it’s hard to know where to begin.

We have no idea what the actual reasons were, what the formal notifications etc will have said, whether or not the club did any of the above, what NPs contract said, no idea on any of that and a whole lot more.

And that’s before you get into the exceptionality of football managers ‘employment’ - just google ‘can football managers be unfairly dismissed’ and you’ll find any number of articles explaining why the ‘normal’ rules don’t apply.

The club will pay off his contract and that will be it.

I’m not arguing that NPs dismissal was the right thing to do, and I understand the views of those who think it was wrong, but there’s enough histrionics around it already without adding more! 

Hang on, you asked me why?

Chapter and verse mate.....

Can't help if you don't like it, blame the government......

[italian dave]

2 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Hang on, you asked me why?

Chapter and verse mate.....

Can't help if you don't like it, blame the government......

But you haven’t told me why. You’ve told me why, in certain circumstances, an employee might be dismissed unfairly. You haven’t told me, and I very much doubt you’ll be able to tell me, chapter and verse on why those are applicable in the particular circumstances of NP.

[UncleRed]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

It’s not very different to Alex Ferguson’s style of management.  He wasn’t out on the training ground.  Nige’s structure had him in a more observational role anyway because he empowered his coaches.

Comparing Nigel Pearson to THE Sir Alex Ferguson….. think Nige’s structure contributed to him getting the boot

[REDOXO]

59 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

From GOV.UK

Dismissing staff 

Dismissals due to illness 

Considering dismissing an employee

Dismissal is a last resort....

I repeat... DISMISSAL IS A LAST RESORT....

Dismisal is a last resort and you should consider as many ways as possible to help your employee including:

* Getting a medical report from their GP with the employees permission.

* Arranging a occupational health assessment.

* Make any reasonable adjustments to help them do their jobs.

I repeat ANY REASONABLE ADJUSTMENTS.

Now, who on here thinks ANY of the above were carried out?

The complete pillocks that now run our football club have, IMHO,  left themselves open to a strong case for illegal dismisal. It's also a terrible example for the club to set isn't it?

Has his contract not been paid up? 

[Merrick's Marvels]

4 minutes ago, UncleRed said:

Comparing Nigel Pearson to THE Sir Alex Ferguson….. think Nige’s structure contributed to him getting the boot

Thanks for reminding me, you newbie need to go on ignore. 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[UncleRed]

Just now, Merrick's Marvels said:

Thanks for reminding me, you need to go on ignore. 

Pearson fan brigade out in full force today, or is the Lansdown hate club. Or both.

[Swede]

2 hours ago, headhunter said:

Don't know about illegal but callous and lacking any form of compassion come to mind in describing the behaviour towards him by the Lansdowns

I am not "in the know "and there is much negativity aimed towards the board because of the timing and the health issues but I can't believe that this was of their choosing. 

I think it all points to NP telling them where to stick it and him walking out.   

[Galley is our king]

1 hour ago, UncleRed said:

Pearson fan brigade out in full force today, or is the Lansdown hate club. Or both.

It's people who have posted more than 24 times.....

When's pay day?

[UncleRed]

18 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

It's people who have posted more than 24 times.....

When's pay day?

So I’ve been going down Ashton Gate since I was 7, just over 20 years ago. But because I’ve only posted 25 times now and been signed up for a year or so, I have no credibility or value in opinion compared to you guys.

What a friendly bunch.

[Fuber]

3 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

6 out of a possible 18 points, 15th in the table, squad decimated and the managers refusal to utilise the loan and free agent market hampering us. 
Relationship between manager and owner not great. 
 

Manager not the type the owners want moving forward (want a head coach who is more hands on)

 

It really isn’t that mind boggling a decision. He’s done his job, thanks and move on.

To hold that as a point against Nige considering the penny pinching that's gone on is outstanding.

They should have backed him after the Scott sale. We've covered the issue with loans before.

As for free agents - would take a month to get up to speed at least by which time it's almost Jan anyway. Waste of time and money. It didn't work out with Klose, not Williams, Bates, McManus, Mariappa and countless others before.

It's poor planning and negligent strategic decision making. End of story.

Same as 'moving him on' without a replacement lined up. Brum had a plan (a shite one, but a plan nonetheless) - here it's just endless bluster and no physical evidence.

[firstdivision]

3 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

6 out of a possible 18 points, 15th in the table, squad decimated and the managers refusal to utilise the loan and free agent market hampering us. 
Relationship between manager and owner not great. 
 

Manager not the type the owners want moving forward (want a head coach who is more hands on)

 

It really isn’t that mind boggling a decision. He’s done his job, thanks and move on.

You won’t get anywhere on this forum at the moment with opinions like that but I know supporters who have pretty similar views to you. They don’t come on here. They’re not social media posters. And they probably wouldn’t want the emoji barrage anyway. 

i wouldn’t have sacked him, but the case for the defence is not water tight (as you set out). 
 

[petehinton]

3 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

6 out of a possible 18 points, 15th in the table, squad decimated and the managers refusal to utilise the loan and free agent market hampering us. 
Relationship between manager and owner not great. 
 

Manager not the type the owners want moving forward (want a head coach who is more hands on)

 

It really isn’t that mind boggling a decision. He’s done his job, thanks and move on.

Oh no, my manager won’t spend millions on a player for 10 months who may help us move from 12th to 8th, whatever will we do. 
 

It really isn’t that mind boggling a decision, if you have actually listened or read his very detailed explanations as to why we hadn’t utilised loans (after he tried exploring about 3 players to bring in on loan). 
 

I for one are delighted that LJ brought in loans like Benkovic, Diony, Kent, Periera, and utilised free agents like Marinvoic and Rodri. They really kicked us on in terms of league position and were in no ways a waste of cash. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Pereira and Benkovic if better utilised could have been decent IMO.

Mind you I think we'd have needed a whole different tactical approach and mindset vs what we saw under Lee Johnson for a range of players.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[exAtyeoMax]

3 hours ago, UncleRed said:

Comparing Nigel Pearson to THE Sir Alex Ferguson….. think Nige’s structure contributed to him getting the boot

probably says more about their respective employers to be honest

[Bs4Red]

38 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

You won’t get anywhere on this forum at the moment with opinions like that but I know supporters who have pretty similar views to you. They don’t come on here. They’re not social media posters. And they probably wouldn’t want the emoji barrage anyway. 

i wouldn’t have sacked him, but the case for the defence is not water tight (as you set out). 
 

Thanks mate, I’m not saying I’m right but that’s my opinion and I think they didn’t trust him to spend money. 
I don’t feel he did enough on the pitch to warrant another contract. 
Being well liked isn’t a trait in a manager for me. 

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, UncleRed said:

Comparing Nigel Pearson to THE Sir Alex Ferguson….. think Nige’s structure contributed to him getting the boot

Why not read what I wrote and what I was responding to, then you might be received better on this forum.

[JP Hampton]

5 hours ago, sunningdalered said:

Like a few others, I did wonder whether the club was taking the flack over removing NP to distract the focus from his ill-health, having come to a mutual acceptance with NP that he wasn't able to continue in the role for health reasons. It seems from the likes of the CF pre-match interview that I was seriously wrong in thinking the owners were anywhere near as noble as that!

I don’t see there would be any reason for this. It’s not exactly something to be ashamed of and everyone knew he was not well. He simply would have said, “I can no longer fulfil my role”. In fact he even said in a post match interview on RB, he was ok to carry on. 

So doesn’t make sense for the club to somehow sacrifice itself?

[JP Hampton]

5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

It’s not very different to Alex Ferguson’s style of management.  He wasn’t out on the training ground.  Nige’s structure had him in a more observational role anyway because he empowered his coaches.

Yeah and the boss doesn’t need to be out on the shop floor. 
We all know the amount of technology strapped to players in training and he gets feedback. 
 Just because he’s not outside, it looks like there’s windows onto the training areas at the HPC. 

1 hour ago, UncleRed said:

So I’ve been going down Ashton Gate since I was 7, just over 20 years ago. But because I’ve only posted 25 times now and been signed up for a year or so, I have no credibility or value in opinion compared to you guys.

What a friendly bunch.

DW about it. You’ve as much right to an opinion as anyone else

[UncleRed]

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why not read what I wrote and what I was responding to, then you might be received better on this forum.

How I am received on this forum has nothing to do what you wrote and what you responded to.

How I am received is because I’m actually looking at the positives of our situation and looking forward at the future. Not looking backwards at the past and wishing Pearson wasn’t sacked.

We got an opportunity to potentially hire an exciting young manager. Who may play attacking and exciting football, which hasn’t been seen down Ashton gate in at least a few years. With a chance of some financial backing.

Pearson kept us up whilst spending a minimal amount of money. But majority of people on here think he did a job that only he could of done.

Anyway I could go on and on about the way people interact on here, but I’ll probably be wasting my time. If only I shared the same opinions and thoughts as the cult on here.

Edited November 3, 2023 by UncleRed

[Northern Red]

2 minutes ago, UncleRed said:

How I am received on this forum has nothing to do what you wrote and what you responded to.

How I am received is because I’m actually looking at the positives of our situation and looking forward at the future. Not looking backwards at the past and wishing Pearson wasn’t sacked.

We got an opportunity to potentially hire an exciting young manager. Who may play attacking and exciting football, which hasn’t been seen down Ashton gate in at least a few years. With a chance of some financial backing.

Pearson kept us up whilst spending a minimal amount of money. But majority of people on here think he did a job that only he could of done.

Anyway I could go on and on about the way people interact on here, but I’ll probably be wasting my time. If only I shared the same opinions and thoughts as the cult on here.

Words like "cult" are why you get the reaction you do.

At this point I suspect it's all very deliberate.

[italian dave]

36 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Oh no, my manager won’t spend millions on a player for 10 months who may help us move from 12th to 8th, whatever will we do. 
 

It really isn’t that mind boggling a decision, if you have actually listened or read his very detailed explanations as to why we hadn’t utilised loans (after he tried exploring about 3 players to bring in on loan). 
 

I for one are delighted that LJ brought in loans like Benkovic, Diony, Kent, Periera, and utilised free agents like Marinvoic and Rodri. They really kicked us on in terms of league position and were in no ways a waste of cash. 

Tammy Abraham and Tomas Kalas weren’t too shabby though.

Everything on here’s painted in black and white at the moment. The reality is usually a shade of grey. 

[UncleRed]

2 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Words like "cult" are why you get the reaction you do.

At this point I suspect it's all very deliberate.

Ever think why myself and others are using that word?

Take a second and think about it

[Mr Popodopolous]

11 minutes ago, UncleRed said:

How I am received on this forum has nothing to do what you wrote and what you responded to.

How I am received is because I’m actually looking at the positives of our situation and looking forward at the future. Not looking backwards at the past and wishing Pearson wasn’t sacked.

We got an opportunity to potentially hire an exciting young manager. Who may play attacking and exciting football, which hasn’t been seen down Ashton gate in at least a few years. With a chance of some financial backing.

Pearson kept us up whilst spending a minimal amount of money. But majority of people on here think he did a job that only he could of done.

Anyway I could go on and on about the way people interact on here, but I’ll probably be wasting my time. If only I shared the same opinions and thoughts as the cult on here.

Spend some money.

Why should that have not gone to NP?

Surely he more than earned the chance to be the one to do so.

Conversely, should the new manager get a bigger budget? I'd say no, only to rise in line with revenue increases. That maybe the summer with TV money, maybe it should be January 2025.

The new manager should be a clear upgrade on NP, or it is literally a pointless and perhaps counterproductive change.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Northern Red]

Waconda la la la...

[petehinton]

10 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Tammy Abraham and Tomas Kalas weren’t too shabby though.

Everything on here’s painted in black and white at the moment. The reality is usually a shade of grey. 

They weren’t, two of the northern stars….. but it just kicks the can down the road for me. We then had to spend £5.5m on a replacement striker for Tammy after leaving, and leaving a huge hole up top, and to re-sign Kalas to fill the hole that he left cost us £9m.

What would have been the point in us signing Jake O’Brien on loan, where Pearson explains it would’ve been costing around £300k loan fee, and an additional £5k a week on top of paying his full weekly wages too? Because over the last 2 seasons, thats the sorts of areas and deals we’d be looking at.
 

We can’t be cutting our cloth, trimming the wage bill massively, and then out laying fees for 6 month/12 month loans that are more expensive than a lot of our permanent signings that we can a) spread the cost of over a 3 year contract and b) make a profit on from selling them thereafter!

Edited November 3, 2023 by petehinton

[Davefevs]

@UncleRed you proved my point.

[GrahamC]

4 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Tammy Abraham and Tomas Kalas weren’t too shabby though.

Everything on here’s painted in black and white at the moment. The reality is usually a shade of grey. 

At £8m (our record fee) & on around £25k a week I would certainly hope that Kalas wasn’t “too shabby”.

The reality sure is grey but I believe for every Josh Brownhill (probably LJ’s best VFM signing) there were sadly at least 2 Marley Watkins & Hakeeb Adelakun’s. That’s before you get to £3.5m for Kasey Palmer & a rumoured £20k a week & there are loads of others.

Pearson’s “worst” signing was possibly Simpson, a one year deal, low wage one who he binned off early. Kane Wilson cost a rumoured £200k, he clearly didn’t rate him, but again he didn’t hang around for years, as happened under LJ.

I do try to be balanced but some on here are suggesting Pearson had no part in slashing the wage bill, which is ridiculous.

[UncleRed]

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Spend some money.

Why should that have not gone to NP?

Surely he more than earned the chance to be the one to do so.

Conversely, should the new manager get a bigger budget? I'd say no, only to rise in line with revenue increases. That maybe the summer with TV money, maybe it should be January 2025.

The new manager should be a clear upgrade on NP, or it is literally a pointless and perhaps counterproductive change.

Who gets backed financially and who doesn’t is down to SL. It’s his money and he seems like he wants to make sure he got the right man before he injects his money again. I just get behind who ever is in charge.

I’m not against Pearson and what he done here at City, he knew the uppers had to sort out the financial situation whilst he done his best on the pitch with close to nothing.

I feel like SL will only spend again once he got a manager that proves deserves it and he likes. Which may not even be this summer, could be next.

I’m sure he wants to get promoted, as do JL after listening to his interview. But whether we like or think a manager is the right person doesn’t matter. We just have to support whoever gets the job and the players on the pitch.

[UncleRed]

@Davefevs Don’t worry, just pick any thread on this forum and on most pages my point is proven

[UncleRed]

14 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

.I do try to be balanced but some on here are suggesting Pearson had no part in slashing the wage bill, which is ridiculous.

Praising him for getting the results needed to stay up, with a restricted squad and what not whilst the costs were being cut I understand which I’ve mentioned before.

But come on, whoever was getting the job knew what had to be done. It wasn’t like it was his idea to avoid a points deduction or whatever the penalty would be.

And I can’t imagine him with a calculator and Microsoft excel doing the math. Especially if he’s barely in the building to take the training.

[Redrascal2]

37 minutes ago, UncleRed said:

How I am received on this forum has nothing to do what you wrote and what you responded to.

How I am received is because I’m actually looking at the positives of our situation and looking forward at the future. Not looking backwards at the past and wishing Pearson wasn’t sacked.

We got an opportunity to potentially hire an exciting young manager. Who may play attacking and exciting football, which hasn’t been seen down Ashton gate in at least a few years. With a chance of some financial backing.

Pearson kept us up whilst spending a minimal amount of money. But majority of people on here think he did a job that only he could of done.

Anyway I could go on and on about the way people interact on here, but I’ll probably be wasting my time. If only I shared the same opinions and thoughts as the cult on here.

Looking at the positives and look forward to the future!! Well let's see how that plays out with Lansdown continuing at the helm. But of course he doesn't need to spend money on players because according to the Lansdowns our squad is good enough. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, UncleRed said:

Praising him for getting the results needed to stay up, with a restricted squad and what not whilst the costs were being cut I understand which I’ve mentioned before.

But come on, whoever was getting the job knew what had to be done. It wasn’t like it was his idea to avoid a points deduction or whatever the penalty would be.

And I can’t imagine him with a calculator and Microsoft excel doing the math. Especially if he’s barely in the building to take the training.

Him and Gould, team effort. Was a hard 18 month slog.

The question is why did we then stick with austerity and sack the manager who helped to oversee a very tricky period, working with hand tied behind his back.

Then potentially hand his hard work and some of a nest egg to a successor.

[JP Hampton]

43 minutes ago, UncleRed said:

How I am received on this forum has nothing to do what you wrote and what you responded to.

How I am received is because I’m actually looking at the positives of our situation and looking forward at the future. Not looking backwards at the past and wishing Pearson wasn’t sacked.

We got an opportunity to potentially hire an exciting young manager. Who may play attacking and exciting football, which hasn’t been seen down Ashton gate in at least a few years. With a chance of some financial backing.

Pearson kept us up whilst spending a minimal amount of money. But majority of people on here think he did a job that only he could of done.

Anyway I could go on and on about the way people interact on here, but I’ll probably be wasting my time. If only I shared the same opinions and thoughts as the cult on here.

Although to be fair even JL said it was better than before he came. As much as some managers may have done a good job I think its plain to see that Pearson had an influence on the players that another manager might have struggled with. 
getting players motivated to play is a skill and NP certainly had it. 

[UncleRed]

3 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said:

Looking at the positives and look forward to the future!! Well let's see how that plays out with Lansdown continuing at the helm. But of course he doesn't need to spend money on players because according to the Lansdowns our squad is good enough. 

You expect the chairman and/or owner to come out publicly and say our squad is poor and there’s no hope? 

 

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Him and Gould, team effort. Was a hard 18 month slog.

The question is why did we then stick with austerity and sack the manager who helped to oversee a very tricky period, working with hand tied behind his back.

Then potentially hand his hard work and some of a nest egg to a successor.

Maybe his health played a factor? Seeing as he could barely walk and it was getting worse.

To us it’s a football club, to them it’s a business. Business decisions were made I feel.

[JoeAman08]

35 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Spend some money.

Why should that have not gone to NP?

Surely he more than earned the chance to be the one to do so.

Conversely, should the new manager get a bigger budget? I'd say no, only to rise in line with revenue increases. That maybe the summer with TV money, maybe it should be January 2025.

The new manager should be a clear upgrade on NP, or it is literally a pointless and perhaps counterproductive change.

The way I see it and I am guessing the Lansdowns did, that needed someone like NP to reset the club. He did that job and kept us up for a few years and a hell of a mess. That was what he was hired for. Not hired to then take the club forward in his vision(which seems far from the Lansdowns). 
 

Why can’t we say he did the job he was asked to do well? And that the job is now ready for someone younger, more hands on and different tactically than NP? Seems reasonable to me. I saw nothing in NP reign that he could get us promoted so why not change now when everything from 3rd-21st is so fluid? Let someone new assess over the last international break and get some backing in January. We know what we had from Pearson. A practical style for avoiding relegation.
 

This next appointment could send us down but it could also take us forward. I think it is okay to have that view point. Unfortunately you get met with vitriol on here with any opinion that isn’t pro NP. And this bit not aimed at you Mr P just added on. 

[johnheadbcfc]

Just now, JoeAman08 said:

The way I see it and I am guessing the Lansdowns did, that needed someone like NP to reset the club. He did that job and kept us up for a few years and a hell of a mess. That was what he was hired for. Not hired to then take the club forward in his vision(which seems far from the Lansdowns). 
 

Why can’t we say he did the job he was asked to do well? And that the job is now ready for someone younger, more hands on and different tactically than NP? Seems reasonable to me. I saw nothing in NP reign that he could get us promoted so why not change now when everything from 3rd-21st is so fluid? Let someone new assess over the last international break and get some backing in January. We know what we had from Pearson. A practical style for avoiding relegation.
 

This next appointment could send us down but it could also take us forward. I think it is okay to have that view point. Unfortunately you get met with vitriol on here with any opinion that isn’t pro NP. And this bit not aimed at you Mr P just added on. 

You either conform or you work for bristol sport (apparently)

[italian dave]

30 minutes ago, petehinton said:

They weren’t, two of the northern stars….. but it just kicks the can down the road for me. We then had to spend £5.5m on a replacement striker for Tammy after leaving, and leaving a huge hole up top, and to re-sign Kalas to fill the hole that he left cost us £9m.

What would have been the point in us signing Jake O’Brien on loan, where Pearson explains it would’ve been costing around £300k loan fee, and an additional £5k a week on top of paying his full weekly wages too? Because over the last 2 seasons, thats the sorts of areas and deals we’d be looking at.
 

We can’t be cutting our cloth, trimming the wage bill massively, and then out laying fees for 6 month/12 month loans that are more expensive than a lot of our permanent signings that we can a) spread the cost of over a 3 year contract and b) make a profit on from selling them thereafter!

I suppose the can that Tammy Abraham kicked down the road was the replacement of Kodjia's goals, and in doing so enabled us to be able to sell Kodjia at a very significant profit. So you could argue that the £5.5m was to replace Kodjia - and to give us time to do so. And in the meantime Tammy's goals probably kept us up - so all in all that seems to me to be the right use of loans.

Whilst for all the reasons you've given the signing of Jake O'Brien would not have been.

Which is all I'm suggesting really - that there's no absolute black and white with loan signings - there are good ones, there are bad, some make sense, some don't. 

[The Swan and Cemetery]

1 minute ago, JoeAman08 said:

I saw nothing in NP reign that he could get us promoted so why not change now when everything from 3rd-21st is so fluid? Let someone new assess over the last international break and get some backing in January. We know what we had from Pearson. A practical style for avoiding relegation.

Think the challenge is lots of folk, including me, disagree with this. Given the progress made in difficult circumstances and with sensible backing, I could see him getting us promoted. And not as he’s never done it before, unlike lots of up and coming managers. We’ll never know who was right/wrong as no control group, all about opinions, and that’s fair enough. 

[italian dave]

34 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

At £8m (our record fee) & on around £25k a week I would certainly hope that Kalas wasn’t “too shabby”.

The reality sure is grey but I believe for every Josh Brownhill (probably LJ’s best VFM signing) there were sadly at least 2 Marley Watkins & Hakeeb Adelakun’s. That’s before you get to £3.5m for Kasey Palmer & a rumoured £20k a week & there are loads of others.

Pearson’s “worst” signing was possibly Simpson, a one year deal, low wage one who he binned off early. Kane Wilson cost a rumoured £200k, he clearly didn’t rate him, but again he didn’t hang around for years, as happened under LJ.

I do try to be balanced but some on here are suggesting Pearson had no part in slashing the wage bill, which is ridiculous.

Yes, of course that's a ridiculous suggestion. As is the suggestion that we can't move forward without him. Again - just making the point that everything's not black and white! And, incidentally, not suggesting for a moment that you don't try to be balanced - but there are some pretty extreme views being aired on here at the moment!

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Think the challenge is lots of folk, including me, disagree with this. Given the progress made in difficult circumstances and with sensible backing, I could see him getting us promoted. And not as he’s never done it before, unlike lots of up and coming managers. We’ll never know who was right/wrong as no control group, all about opinions, and that’s fair enough. 

Promoted is also a hard one to say, promoted via top 2 seems a tough ask for anyone who isn't a Parachute club.

Playoffs surely the best bet.

[JoeAman08]

6 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Think the challenge is lots of folk, including me, disagree with this. Given the progress made in difficult circumstances and with sensible backing, I could see him getting us promoted. And not as he’s never done it before, unlike lots of up and coming managers. We’ll never know who was right/wrong as no control group, all about opinions, and that’s fair enough. 

Yes but how you posted is not how my opinion often  gets a response. We disagree. I am fine with that. I do think it is probably closer to 50/50 than this forum represents. You hear lots of different things on the coaches to away games, walking through the ground home or away and in the pubs. 

I been around here a long time, I don’t mind arguments not fair on genuine new people though with some posters borderline having a go at bullying just because they don’t think Pearson was amazing. Think we all want whats best for city in the end. 

[The Swan and Cemetery]

7 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Yes but how you posted is not how my opinion often  gets a response. We disagree. I am fine with that. I do think it is probably closer to 50/50 than this forum represents. You hear lots of different things on the coaches to away games, walking through the ground home or away and in the pubs. 

I been around here a long time, I don’t mind arguments not fair on genuine new people though with some posters borderline having a go at bullying just because they don’t think Pearson was amazing. Think we all want whats best for city in the end. 

Fair that we should all be civil, sometimes folk, inc me, get carried away (on all sides of any given argument) and that probably isn’t a great look for any of us. I’m not convinced that there hasn’t been a decent effort by Bristol Sport to play their story into OTIB, but also get that it’s nonsense to claim that everyone who disagrees with a view is either an NP acolyte or a BS plant, mostly it’s just be the joy of different views. 

[UncleRed]

@The Swan and Cemetery One of the good ones.