westonred Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Has just scored his 10th goal of the season. Why oh why wasnt he given a chance here? He's exactly the sort of player we need 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Redrascal2 Posted November 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 minute ago, westonred said: Has just scored his 10th goal of the season. Why oh why wasnt he given a chance here? He's exactly the sort of player we need Lee Johnson 19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Supersonic Robin Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 We signed him at a time when we were stockpiling players, so not a surprise he didn't get that many minutes. In fairness to LJ, Szmodics did seem to struggle in the brief appearances he had for us. I recall coming away from games thinking "oh....that's why Szmodics isn't getting much game time". Easy to say we should have persisted with Szmodics now we have the benefit of hindsight, but at the time he left the club for League 1 Peterborough, it didn't seem an unreasonable decision to sell him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Thought he was our next manager for a minute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, westonred said: Has just scored his 10th goal of the season. Why oh why wasnt he given a chance here? He's exactly the sort of player we need Because, effectively, he was in direct competition with our 'star signing', Kasey Palmer. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Easy to slip through the cracks when you’re signing a million players every transfer window. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Supersonic Robin said: We signed him at a time when we were stockpiling players, so not a surprise he didn't get that many minutes. In fairness to LJ, Szmodics did seem to struggle in the brief appearances he had for us. I recall coming away from games thinking "oh....that's why Szmodics isn't getting much game time". Easy to say we should have persisted with Szmodics now we have the benefit of hindsight, but at the time he left the club for League 1 Peterborough, it didn't seem an unreasonable decision to sell him. This is true but I do feel that, if you sign players from a division below, you have to give them time to settle and prove themselves whereas Johnson was quick to discard players like Szmodics, Eisa and Adelakun. Obviously we will never know if they were his signings but - in Szmodics’ case - he must have been impacted by the fact he had a decent pre-season but then Kasey Palmer was effectively brought in to replace him before he had even played a competitive game for us… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: Lee Johnson Just so. LJ signed Szmodics and then wasted a few million on Kasey Palmer. There is wasn’t room for both in the team so LJ decided to put his, mistaken, belief in Palmer. Without Palmer Szmodics could have been given time to adjust to Championship football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 A certain CEO is getting off very lightly. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: This is true but I do feel that, if you sign players from a division below, you have to give them time to settle and prove themselves whereas Johnson was quick to discard players like Szmodics, Eisa and Adelakun. Obviously we will never know if they were his signings but - in Szmodics’ case - he must have been impacted by the fact he had a decent pre-season but then Kasey Palmer was effectively brought in to replace him before he had even played a competitive game for us… Agree, the fundamental issue was a dodgy transfer policy. I think we were slightly unsure what we wanted from Szmodics. Was he "one for the future"? If so, a 24 year old from League 2 doesn't seem like a player with room for significant development. Was he "one to hit the ground running"? If so, you're asking a lot for a player to step up 2 divisions and immediately have an impact. As you say, the Palmer signing then complicated things further. Very much seemed like a signing made without any clear plan or thought process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 57 minutes ago, westonred said: Has just scored his 10th goal of the season. Why oh why wasnt he given a chance here? He's exactly the sort of player we need Because Johnson is pathetic. I have a Col U mate connected to SS and his time here wasn’t great put it that way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Sammie Szmodics was sacrificed so that Kasey Palmer could "flourish". One of the worst footballing injustices in our recent history. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: Agree, the fundamental issue was a dodgy transfer policy. I think we were slightly unsure what we wanted from Szmodics. Was he "one for the future"? If so, a 24 year old from League 2 doesn't seem like a player with room for significant development. Was he "one to hit the ground running"? If so, you're asking a lot for a player to step up 2 divisions and immediately have an impact. As you say, the Palmer signing then complicated things further. Very much seemed like a signing made without any clear plan or thought process. That summer was when we abandoned any notions of building a squad and were basically trading for the sake of it. We signed Szmodics, he did well enough in preseason but then we brought Palmer in so that was the end of that. We also had Paterson who could play that position and ended up having to go out on loan, only to be recalled in January. In much the same way that we signed Massengo and Nagy so Pack had to leave when he didn't really want to. Edited November 5, 2023 by Northern Red 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 @PHILINFRANCE I went to the Tampa training camp. Watching Szmodics was such a breath of fresh air. He was dynamic, pacey, powerful for a smaller guy. I was so excited to see him play for us that season after Palmer's lacklustre loan spell. Then we made Palmer permanent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: We signed him at a time when we were stockpiling players, so not a surprise he didn't get that many minutes. In fairness to LJ, Szmodics did seem to struggle in the brief appearances he had for us. I recall coming away from games thinking "oh....that's why Szmodics isn't getting much game time". Easy to say we should have persisted with Szmodics now we have the benefit of hindsight, but at the time he left the club for League 1 Peterborough, it didn't seem an unreasonable decision to sell him. He was our best player that pre season, then came the real thing and he found himself given a bit part role to play at best. Palmer might have been his direct competition but even back then there was only one of the two I would have picked and it wasn’t Kasey! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 I'm sure he was one that the recruitment team churned out and Johnson needed to be persuaded as he wasn't keen and then went with it as palmer wasn't looking likely at the time. Then once palmer got wrapped up he was in the team as effectively he was Johnsons signing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 What an excellent player.........talent spotted........talent wasted.......and then sacrificed on the pyre of LJ's Ego? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Anyone else remember that we also had to hastily get rid of Paterson on loan to Derby. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathandao Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) What a player we could've had... Edited November 30, 2023 by Nathandao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Nathandao said: What a player we could've had... We had. Had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Championship player of the month for November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Nice message from him, possibly a little more than we deserve. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 LJ didn’t rate Szmodics and he was allowed to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 More fool LJ. Albeit players do develop at different times, look at Wes Burns too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Another goal for him today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 On 01/01/2024 at 18:34, Mr Popodopolous said: Another goal for him today. Definitely badly handled by LJ. But he wasn’t the only player sacrificed in a churn that looked like Ashton was playing Top Trumps with potential signings, and ended up getting them all while SL’s attention was elsewhere. On 13/12/2023 at 19:21, Mr Popodopolous said: More fool LJ. Albeit players do develop at different times, look at Wes Burns too. Wes Burns always had pace and some skills. What he has gained is a lot of experience in L1 that has allowed him to finally flourish at this level. Just a shame it’s at Ipswich with Ashton! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 On 30/11/2023 at 13:23, Nathandao said: What a player we could've had... On 30/11/2023 at 19:41, ExiledAjax said: We had. Had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Few things to remember. - He signed 4 years ago, and joined from playing in League Two. - Palmer had 70 odd Championship appearances when we signed him - Szmodics was likely to become a decent Champ player in time, Palmer was hoped to become a decent Prem player - This is the first Championship season Szmodics has hit double figures - Ambitions that season were play offs, so we wanted the best we could get Can fully understand LJ's decision to prefer Palmer, however I'd personally wasn't sold on signing KP at the time post loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Selred said: Few things to remember. - He signed 4 years ago, and joined from playing in League Two. - Palmer had 70 odd Championship appearances when we signed him - Szmodics was likely to become a decent Champ player in time, Palmer was hoped to become a decent Prem player - This is the first Championship season Szmodics has hit double figures - Ambitions that season were play offs, so we wanted the best we could get Can fully understand LJ's decision to prefer Palmer, however I'd personally wasn't sold on signing KP at the time post loan. What is often forgotten is that the late signing of Palmer meant we had three “no10s”…Szmodics, Palmer and Paterson. Paterson was hastily loaned to Derby, to return in January…which meant Szmodics was then loaned to Peterborough. Clumsy / chaotic recruitment, wasteful too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: What is often forgotten is that the late signing of Palmer meant we had three “no10s”…Szmodics, Palmer and Paterson. Paterson was hastily loaned to Derby, to return in January…which meant Szmodics was then loaned to Peterborough. Clumsy / chaotic recruitment, wasteful too. Agree. Both LJ and Ashton need to take blame for that. Always felt Palmer was there as a glamour buy / ego buy. Glamour for Ashton to keep the Chelsea relationship, ego for LJ "I can bring the best of of him". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 32 minutes ago, Selred said: ego for LJ "I can bring the best of of him" Ditto Tomlin - “I can tame him” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Ditto Tomlin - “I can tame him” Will they make a film about Abrahams' partnership with Tomlin - When Tammy met Fatty? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Good job we never gave him a chance. Not a single ******* chance. Pretty sure he’d be our best player now. Oh well… I guess, like Ayling, he can’t have been doing it in training. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Have to say, looked the class player on the pitch tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Good job we never gave him a chance. Not a single ******* chance. Pretty sure he’d be our best player now. Oh well… I guess, like Ayling, he can’t have been doing it in training. Blame LJ for allowing Szmodics to leave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 8 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Good job we never gave him a chance. Not a single ******* chance. Pretty sure he’d be our best player now. Oh well… I guess, like Ayling, he can’t have been doing it in training. Yes - but if we had kept Szmodics then how would Kasey Palmer or Marley Watkins have got game time? 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said: Yes - but if we had kept Szmodics then how would Kasey Palmer or Marley Watkins have got game time? I had forgotten about MW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Just now, Fordy62 said: I had forgotten about MW! Good work. How much did the therapy cost and would you recommend the therapist? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 It will always amaze me this one, and it’s not hindsight either, those who know me will know I’ve moaned about this for a long time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 13 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Oh well… I guess, like Ayling, he can’t have been doing it in training. He certainly wasn't doing it in U21's games when he was given the chance to impress Frankly he needed those seasons in L1 to improve himself, only thing we could have said was for us to loan him out instead of sell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: He certainly wasn't doing it in U21's games when he was given the chance to impress Frankly he needed those seasons in L1 to improve himself, only thing we could have said was for us to loan him out instead of sell. You probably had a far longer view Lrrr but I saw him in U21 ganevatbthe Gate after he arrived and he showed everything he is now in terms of being a livewire , ability to beat a man , quick feet , and busy busy busy - he probably worked harder than I’ve ever seen for a player in U21 games The only thing absent in that game was his finishing Ge certainly has improved but at the time he looked as if he could have a real X factor once he broke into regular starts Shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Rose tinted glasses. At the time we were trying to make KP45 permanent and I believe he went on Chelsea's Irish pre season tour so we signed SS and we ended up with Palmer as well. I don't think SS set the world alight in the limited game time he had and the rest is history. Ultimately our loss it has proved to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Deserved that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LondonBristolian Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 3 minutes ago, Rob k said: It will always amaze me this one, and it’s not hindsight either, those who know me will know I’ve moaned about this for a long time I think what annoyed me was the inconsistency. I’m not going to pretend I had any idea whether he was good enough or not but we signed him presumably on the basis that we rated him, he did well in pre-season and he never got a fair chance beyond the odd 10 mins here and there beyond one League Cup game where he scored a beautiful free kick. It felt like we signed a player who did all the right things but wasn’t wanted by a manager who pretty much admitted Szmodics did all the right things but wasn’t a player he rated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 And there we go, scores the equaliser. Not good enough for us though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Don’t panic guys, I hear this Kasey Palmer lad is better… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Ha ha Get in lad , good finish Him alongside Tommy (The real Tommy) would be pretty tasty ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 He was a victim of the last year or so of LJ/MA where we abandoned the idea of building a squad and were just trading for the sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laner Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 BBC missed us out on his career path to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Great desire, when Sigurdsson picked up the ball you can just about see him on the left of the picture literally put his head down and power forward to make sure he was there. The Newcastle player couldn't keep up. You love to see it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 9 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I think what annoyed me was the inconsistency. I’m not going to pretend I had any idea whether he was good enough or not but we signed him presumably on the basis that we rated him, he did well in pre-season and he never got a fair chance beyond the odd 10 mins here and there beyond one League Cup game where he scored a beautiful free kick. It felt like we signed a player who did all the right things but wasn’t wanted by a manager who pretty much admitted Szmodics did all the right things but wasn’t a player he rated. Think the free-kick you’re referring to was Liam Walsh 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 9 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Don’t panic guys, I hear this Kasey Palmer lad is better… Apparently he was amazing against Maidstone.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 He's having a very good season but he's not shown this level in the Championship previously. I would hazard a guess that this is a bit of a one off season for him? He's pushing 30 years old and it reminds me of the Weimann season with us a few years back. If he backs it up with another 20 goals next year then i'll eat my words, but i doubt it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, Laner said: BBC missed us out on his career path to date. I would imagine Sammie would like to forget his time with us too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laner Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, IAmNick said: Great desire, when Sigurdsson picked up the ball you can just about see him on the left of the picture literally put his head down and power forward to make sure he was there. The Newcastle player couldn't keep up. You love to see it! A player enjoying his football. Not sure you can say that about any of our squad at the moment. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 LJ oh the master of football and one reason why our club won't progress selling quality like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Proper cup tie this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, Swede said: Rose tinted glasses. At the time we were trying to make KP45 permanent and I believe he went on Chelsea's Irish pre season tour so we signed SS and we ended up with Palmer as well. I don't think SS set the world alight in the limited game time he had and the rest is history. Ultimately our loss it has proved to be. Bullseye. This is " if only" hindsight, on stilts. We correctly identified Szmodics as a quality player. The problem was we had a manager who wanted a billion players, a club in the bag for every scenario, which meant there was no pathway for Szondics. Why was he ever going to be satisfied with swapping first team football at Colchester for reserve yeam football with us? The lad was absolutely right to leave, having realised we were run at the time by incompetent people more interested in Manila envelopes than youth development. KERCHING! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, GrahamC said: Apparently he was amazing against Maidstone.. I know that Maidstone beat Ipswich away, but it’s not like Kasey Palmer has been ripping it up regularly for Coventry this season. Unlike Szmodics at Blackburn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 minutes ago, Laner said: BBC missed us out on his career path to date. Like we did. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Think the free-kick you’re referring to was Liam Walsh Yes - you’re right. Thinking about it, Szmodics came on and struggled during that game. Definitely the right call to get rid! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Just now, LondonBristolian said: Yes - you’re right. Thinking about it, Szmodics came on and struggled during that game. Definitely the right call to get rid! Remember the Florida game v Derby before the lightning…he looked good, but in a deeper role than he’s playing these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, Street red said: LJ oh the master of football and one reason why our club won't progress selling quality like that. 'The Master of Football' Wasn't that what he called his first book? Also known as 'The Real Coaches Bible', with a forward by Pep Guadiola 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpys Dietary Advisor.. Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I was thinking exactly the same as the OP He was never given a chance and I do remember the usual short sighted comments on here from a few saying he was nothing to write gone about, which of course you can tell from 30 seconds on the pitch (3 appearances in total) At least someone in our organisation had the insight to get him on books but then the usual behaviour kicked in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 16 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Apparently he was amazing against Maidstone.. Where are Coventry in the league?! Unbelievable as it seems - and of course we couldn't afford him (so good luck with that Coventry) and he was rubbish for us - Manningball appears to be the future and what that style of football requires, and what we lack to make it work, is a technical, creative ACM who can receive the ball in tight, central areas, on the half turn, and then feed passes forwards to our attackers. That type of player would transform us. That type of player is Kasey Palmer. Nuts. Edited February 27 by Merrick's Marvels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Remember the Florida game v Derby before the lightning…he looked good, but in a deeper role than he’s playing these days. Yeah - he was the star of that pre-season and looked like a bargain. And then we signed Palmer. Then sold Webster, lost to Leeds and had a complete midfield reshuffle and changed formation. Then lost Afobe to injury and the rest of the season trying pretty much every playing system available with the only coherent thread being the fact that Szmodics had no role to play in any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 16 minutes ago, Scrumpys Dietary Advisor.. said: I was thinking exactly the same as the OP He was never given a chance and I do remember the usual short sighted comments on here from a few saying he was nothing to write gone about, which of course you can tell from 30 seconds on the pitch (3 appearances in total) At least someone in our organisation had the insight to get him on books but then the usual behaviour kicked in... 108 total minutes in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 but for every Sammie Szmodics there is a Hakeeb Adelakun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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