Ivorguy Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 More positive than many fans, but that is to be expected. Also clearly has not had enough time to get ideas over. However, if he intends to play a different game than Nige then we are in trouble as we shall need new players, and I am doubtful personally that he will be given much room for movement in January. He made no criticism of players and that too is understandable; hopefully he will have a go next week at the appalling finishing. Only worry for me he kept looking downbeat with his eyes fixed on the ground. Not great body language. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRed Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Liam Mannings post match interview. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) George Tanner’s interview was good. Edited November 11, 2023 by Spreadsheet Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Besides his body language, which will improve as he gets to know those interviewing him, I thought it was ok. He couldn't make out it was a huge success or a dreadful day. He touched on what they did well and what they'll be working on. Not a whole lot more he could have said really. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 I think we have to realise that under Liam, post match and pre match aren’t going to be anywhere near as interesting as under Nige - that’s not a criticism, but he very much seems to be a controlled, cliche, stock phrase person and I’m not sure we’ll get any insights - he won’t want to share as that’s not his character (and if it was Jon wouldn’t have appointed him) The looking down was noticeable today though and lack of eye contact is generally seen as someone who doesn’t really believe what they’re saying. I’d hope that is the case here as I believe he’s smart enough to know that wasn’t good enough today. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, ralphindevon said: Besides his body language, which will improve as he gets to know those interviewing him, I thought it was ok. He couldn't make out it was a huge success or a dreadful day. He touched on what they did well and what they'll be working on. Not a whole lot more he could have said really. Tbf , I think that’s just him in camera interviews , just his mannerisms and it may well be that he’s not at his most comfortable in that area. Looking at previous interviews and media stuff with him , Im not sure he will be a great watch in terms of media stuff , interesting as things progress maybe but not naturally engaging Some coaches / managers love it and a theatric watch He may well be totally different away from a camera lens pointing at him , on the training ground , with players I do hope he doesn’t keep looking down with a lack of eye contact if he’s talking to players , particularly one on one 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRed Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Or he could just be trying to think back to the game when he was asked to summarise it by the interviewer. Let’s not read too much into things guys and assume we got all the facts in front of us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Just his way I think. Exactly the same in the pre-match interview. Doesn’t seem to be an issue when is out working with the players and talking to them - either individually or as a group - just have look at all the content the club pumped out on social media this week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Portland Bill Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Was there something on the floor!. It was a hard watch imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glastored Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Ivorguy said: More positive than many fans, but that is to be expected. Also clearly has not had enough time to get ideas over. However, if he intends to play a different game than Nige then we are in trouble as we shall need new players, and I am doubtful personally that he will be given much room for movement in January. He made no criticism of players and that too is understandable; hopefully he will have a go next week at the appalling finishing. Only worry for me he kept looking downbeat with his eyes fixed on the ground. Not great body language. I appreciate we all have our idiosyncrasies, but I was getting irritated by his habit of looking down at the ground every time he was asked a question. Hope somebody has a word with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, glastored said: I appreciate we all have our idiosyncrasies, but I was getting irritated by his habit of looking down at the ground every time he was asked a question. Hope somebody has a word with him. Just to confirm, you want HIM to change, because YOU (and a few others) don’t like how he acts on camera? Yep…..that sounds about right!! What do you think Nigel Pearsons response would have been if somebody had a word with him, and asked him to speed up in interviews because it irritated a few of the fans? 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Portland Bill said: Was there something on the floor!. It was a hard watch imo. That’s where he could read the script. Could’ve been head height; just to make it more genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, Pickle Rick said: That’s where he could read the script. Could’ve been head height; just to make it more genuine. They still have the stool they used to use with LJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 He’s incredibly dull to listen to. Least interesting listen since SO’D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I’m incredibly down about this appointment. I’ll be honest, it’s terrible! Nigel wins that game today, end of. I’m not getting into a debate on it, I’ve seen better football in non league. Nothing against Manning but I’m getting Holden vibes. 10 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: I think we have to realise that under Liam, post match and pre match aren’t going to be anywhere near as interesting as under Nige - that’s not a criticism, but he very much seems to be a controlled, cliche, stock phrase person and I’m not sure we’ll get any insights - he won’t want to share as that’s not his character (and if it was Jon wouldn’t have appointed him) The looking down was noticeable today though and lack of eye contact is generally seen as someone who doesn’t really believe what they’re saying. I’d hope that is the case here as I believe he’s smart enough to know that wasn’t good enough today. Exactly what Lansdown and Tinnion wanted. They are both on last chances with the fans based on much talk today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said: I’m incredibly down about this appointment. Really? I hadn’t noticed!! I’ll be honest, it’s terrible! Nigel wins that game today, end of. OK, you’ve convinced me, but only because you said “end of” I’m not getting into a debate on it, I’ve seen better football in non league. I think you maybe missing the point of a forum. Nothing against Manning but I’m getting Holden vibes. To be fair, they are both blonde so I’ll give you that one 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: I think we have to realise that under Liam, post match and pre match aren’t going to be anywhere near as interesting as under Nige - that’s not a criticism, but he very much seems to be a controlled, cliche, stock phrase person and I’m not sure we’ll get any insights - he won’t want to share as that’s not his character (and if it was Jon wouldn’t have appointed him) The looking down was noticeable today though and lack of eye contact is generally seen as someone who doesn’t really believe what they’re saying. I’d hope that is the case here as I believe he’s smart enough to know that wasn’t good enough today. He’s half (ish) niges age. I think it’s unfair to compare him not just to Pearson but to any manager we’ve had. He admitted on day one he’d rather be on the grass than chatting to the media . Nige didn’t like it either but knew it had to happen. It’s a different culture . I’d much rather have nige’s style over Johnson’s bullshit by a mile & I think we got used to it & me personally really enjoyed his interviews. Pearson got us as a fanbase . Don’t forget though he got slagged by many on here for not clapping the fans early on at away games because he wanted player to fan interaction but plenty couldn’t see it . I bloody loved the bloke . I felt safe that he’d always represent us the fans. Liams a different generation & a different breed of manager. It’s not his fault nige was sacked. We all support the badge not the ******* clowns in charge but the manager & players . 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Liam gives the impression in interviews of being a bit of an introvert. Somewhat similar to JL, which might be why he saw him as a good fit. This could just be an impression though, maybe I'm wrong. I'm not that confident that this type of personality will inspire the squad to give their best if I'm honest. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 minute ago, robin_unreliant said: Liam gives the impression in interviews of being a bit of an introvert. Somewhat similar to JL, which might be why he saw him as a good fit. This could just be an impression though, maybe I'm wrong. I'm not that confident that this type of personality will inspire the squad to give their best if I'm honest. It’s an interesting point. I suppose all managers/head coaches have their strengths and weaknesses. I think this squad will always give their best, because that’s they type of personality that NP has brought in. Even if they weren’t playing for the manager, I think they’d play for eachother. My biggest concern about losing Pearson (and yes, despite quite a few posts defending Manning tonight, I’m gutted he was sacked), is that Pearson never allowed a couple of defeats to turn into a long winless run. He always turned it around quickly. You always knew a win wasn’t far away. That’s massive in terms of preserving confidence, and arguably, it’s more vital in the Championship than any other league, because there is always so little in it. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said: I thought it was refreshing.confirming not done a lot with possession, was slightly irked didn't do everything that was asked but saw signs that was going to go well longer term. Lots of people don't look at cameras etc Neurospicy being one reason, doesn't mean anything It’s like chalk and cheese. How anyone could find this refreshing after Mr Pearson is baffling. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said: I’m incredibly down about this appointment. I’ll be honest, it’s terrible! Nigel wins that game today, end of. I’m not getting into a debate on it, I’ve seen better football in non league. Nothing against Manning but I’m getting Holden vibes. Doh! But that WAS NP's team, full of NP's plauer's ? I was a big fan of NP and did not want him to go.....but, there is No way that performance can be laid at Manning's door? He has only been here for 5 minutes, with no time to establish his own tactics and ethos and stamp his ideas on the team. If come the New Year and beyond there is no improvement, I will be one of the first to criticise, but give the guy a break? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnzFM Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 It’s fair to say that this guy isn’t going to get a fair chance if someone of you are criticising where he’s looking in an interview ffs 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, maxjak said: Doh! But that WAS NP's team, full of NP's plauer's ? I was a big fan of NP and did not want him to go.....but, there is No way that performance can be laid at Manning's door? He has only been here for 5 minutes, with no time to establish his own tactics and ethos and stamp his ideas on the team. If come the New Year and beyond there is no improvement, I will be one of the first to criticise, but give the guy a break? Yes it can be laid at his door! With three days in you don’t change the press and style of play that with a fully fit squad has been successful. It was dreadful! The players had no idea of game plan. I’ve been here several times. We didn’t need a new Manager bounce, but most clubs get some kind of push, that performance was down to the management. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 He's got a decent record wherever he's been so happy to give the guy a chance but to say we've not worked on our attacking gameplan when we are playing a team in the bottom 3 is mind-boggling for me. Considering we have the 2nd best defensive record in the league surely that's a pretty solid base to start with and we should've focused on how we intend to score goals this week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, BarnzFM said: It’s fair to say that this guy isn’t going to get a fair chance if someone of you are criticising where he’s looking in an interview ffs I’ve no opinion either if he’s good or bad as a football manager. My only thoughts are, when you are talking to someone, you look at that person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just like watching brazil Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I'm going to give him the number of my chiropractor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 45 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said: He's got a decent record wherever he's been so happy to give the guy a chance but to say we've not worked on our attacking gameplan when we are playing a team in the bottom 3 is mind-boggling for me. Considering we have the 2nd best defensive record in the league surely that's a pretty solid base to start with and we should've focused on how we intend to score goals this week? That is something that suprised me aswell, 'we haven't done any work in possession' found that very strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 13 hours ago, Spreadsheet Boy said: George Tanner’s interview was good. And yet he looked down at the ground in his interview even more than Manning! Personally I don’t get too hung up on style - I find the content more interesting. And what was interesting in Tanner’s interview was that Manning made a tweak at half time that made things a lot better down the right hand side in the second half. Manning doing things like that is more important to me than where he looks in interviews. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bris Red said: That is something that suprised me aswell, 'we haven't done any work in possession' found that very strange. Sounds good if you're playing away to top of the league. Against almost bottom, not so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Just now, cidercity1987 said: Sounds good if you're playing away to top of the league. Against almost bottom, not so much It sounded more like he hadn’t spent time on changing what we do in possession, ie bringing in his new ideas. Didn’t want to overload them with new stuff in 3 days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said: It's different sure, I enjoyed it as I listened to what he said and found it insightful and honest 'we haven't worked on that, that didn't work in the way I wanted and so on' Not sure what's 'baffling' Did you ever listen to Mr Pearson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said: I’m incredibly down about this appointment. I’ll be honest, it’s terrible! Nigel wins that game today, end of. I’m not getting into a debate on it, I’ve seen better football in non league. Nothing against Manning but I’m getting Holden vibes. Just a reminder that we won our first 4 games and were top of the league after Holden’s permanent appointment. Things can easily change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Yes it can be laid at his door! With three days in you don’t change the press and style of play that with a fully fit squad has been successful. It was dreadful! The players had no idea of game plan. I’ve been here several times. We didn’t need a new Manager bounce, but most clubs get some kind of push, that performance was down to the management. Hang on…..your previous post you said - and I quote! - “I’m not getting into a debate about it!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, italian dave said: Just a reminder that we won our first 4 games and were top of the league after Holden’s permanent appointment. Things can easily change. Absolutely. Win the next six games on the bounce and people won’t care which way he looks in interviews. Lose the next six though and he’ll be looking at the exit. FWIW I don’t like his style either, but won’t matter a jot if he wins games and gets us promotion. A lot of Oxford fans said much the same about him but didn’t care as they did well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Think Manning’s body language was a give away. He was desperately disappointed by the performance and, rather than tweaks, he’s thinking this is a far bigger job than he was sold/realised. On his ‘surprise’ starters, think all of us were hoping that Mehmeti would respond positively to someone who believed in him and a new slate. Weimann, maybe a new set up would rejuvenate him. Nope, both fails. Personally, wouldn’t entirely give up on Mehmeti just yet but the guy is running out of chances. Weimann, the only way I’d play him now is to experiment with him as the lead forward with Conway tucked in behind. Underwhelming start but let’s hope Manning is a quick learner. Needs 3 months, including the transfer window, to see where we are heading with any clarity imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 13 hours ago, Spreadsheet Boy said: George Tanner’s interview was good. That was his 50th league game for us, coming on the same ground as his debut. He is still a little bit safe at times with his passing but for £300k & coming from League Two he’s been a very good signing. Thought he looked sound defensively yesterday & his availability also means we get to play Sykes where he is most effective, though yesterday certainly wasn’t one of his better days. If he could just up his availability record he’s ideal for us & it will be an interesting situation as to how he competes with McCrorie for the RB spot when he is finally available. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said: Yup pretty much every week. Some interviews were angry, grumpy, some had an air of FFS and exasperation. Very rarely happy. Pragmatic and some could say dour but that was his style He looked in an awful lot of pain towards the end though. hopefully they find an answer for that because doing interviews like that cant have been fun. Just say no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 26 minutes ago, Bris Red said: That is something that suprised me aswell, 'we haven't done any work in possession' found that very strange. Perhaps he hasn’t had time. He may of just focused on us defensively . If we keep a clean sheet we don’t lose. The next two weeks will be interesting though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, David Brent said: Did you ever listen to Mr Pearson? I think that’s just about personal taste though, isn’t it? Like @Tafkarmlf, I rarely enjoyed listening to Pearson. Often grumpy, and what others describe as “told it like it is” (and that’s fair enough, that’s their view) I always felt was telling us what he thought we wanted to hear or what we already knew. If I’m honest, I can’t say there have been many managers I can remember where I’d have gone out of my way to listen to post match! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, RedRock said: Weimann, the only way I’d play him now is to experiment with him as the lead forward with Conway tucked in behind. That's where I'd play him too, especially with Wells out, and I don't really feel like it's an experiment at all. It's where he wants to play. It's a position in which he has been successful for us. It helps Conway too who is much much more effective in a narrow 2 than in a wide 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Yes it can be laid at his door! With three days in you don’t change the press and style of play that with a fully fit squad has been successful. It was dreadful! The players had no idea of game plan. I’ve been here several times. We didn’t need a new Manager bounce, but most clubs get some kind of push, that performance was down to the management. Successful? We didn't have a play style? Unless you include pass it around the back 4 until we get under pressure and lump it up to a forward in the hope Knight picks up a loose ball. Or play it back to Max to boot out of play. The style of play looked exactly the same as the Sheff Wed game. Manning needs to try and coach half the team how to make a 5 yard pass because Pearson sure couldn't! Don't get me wrong, I didn't want Pearson to leave, but lets not pretend we were playing anywhere near something resembling 'good' football for the majority of this season! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, eardun said: And yet he looked down at the ground in his interview even more than Manning! Personally I don’t get too hung up on style - I find the content more interesting. And what was interesting in Tanner’s interview was that Manning made a tweak at half time that made things a lot better down the right hand side in the second half. Manning doing things like that is more important to me than where he looks in interviews. Whatever the tweak was to the right side, QPR were dominant til the subs started having an effect (on at 60, starting to affect the game in 70). We could barely get out of our half. I think it took Dickie’s courage to come forward with the ball, and TGH’s confidence to pass and move to get us going. We finished strongly. But in a game of cause and effect, whatever he did to make a minimal improvement on the right second half it didn’t help the rest of the team. We were under a lot of pressure for a long spell. 38 minutes ago, italian dave said: I think that’s just about personal taste though, isn’t it? Like @Tafkarmlf, I rarely enjoyed listening to Pearson. Often grumpy, and what others describe as “told it like it is” (and that’s fair enough, that’s their view) I always felt was telling us what he thought we wanted to hear or what we already knew. If I’m honest, I can’t say there have been many managers I can remember where I’d have gone out of my way to listen to post match! I loved his interviews, so informative, lots of the way he thinks about the game, etc. Yeah, he didn’t like talking about injuries or transfers or contracts, but none of those are really his to talk about, not in the way he talks about the football. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 To be fair to Manning, you’re not gonna top Nige in terms of entertainment value with an interview. You just can’t! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bris Red said: That is something that suprised me aswell, 'we haven't done any work in possession' found that very strange. I didn't, not in the slightest. You come in to a new club to prepare for your first game in three days time. What difference are you going to make in three days in terms of possession - **** all, that's what. I actually think, as dull as it was for those watching, that concentrating and perhaps the odd tinker with the "out of possession" that we are good at was 100% the correct thing to do and all-in-all he would have been a lot happier than the fans with a 0-0. He's seen our relative solidity for himself, under his watch now. He's got two weeks to work with the majority of our squad on what we do when we get the ball, with no interruptions, and I would reasonably expect to see some improvement in that area next game. I didn't like Pearson's sacking one iota and I detest the two who now run the football operation but I won't be criticising Manning just because he's not Pearson. What he did in preparing for yesterday was right for the club, even if it was annoying for travelling and watching fans paying their hard earned. If we had lost that game trying to be progressive in possession because players haven't had enough time to grasp what was required in three training sessions tops people would have been raging on here, simple as that. Edited November 12, 2023 by Numero Uno 5 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: I didn't, not in the slightest. You come in to a new club to prepare for your first game in three days time. What difference are you going to make in three days in terms of possession - **** all, that's what. I actually think, as dull as it was for those watching, that concentrating and perhaps the odd tinker with the "out of possession" that we are good at was 100% the correct thing to do and all-in-all he would have been a lot happier than the fans with a 0-0. He's seen our relative solidity for himself, under his watch now. He's got two weeks to work with the majority of our squad on what we do when we get the ball, with no interruptions, and I would reasonably expect to see some improvement in that area next game. I didn't like Pearson's sacking one iota and I detest the two who now run the football operation but I won't be criticising Manning just because he's not Pearson. What he did in preparing for yesterday was right for the club, even if it was annoying for travelling and watching fans paying their hard earned. If we had lost that game trying to be progressive in possession because players haven't had enough time to grasp what was required in three training sessions tops people would have been raging on here, simple as that. Yeah fair enough, he obviously didn't want to lose the game and 3 days is clearly not enough time to implement what him and Hogg want the team to be doing in possession - i get that. I just felt we were SO bad in possession for long spells yesterday, worst i've seen us with the ball in a long long time. Not blaming Manning for that directly but you'd have thought he would have tried to have gotten some bits across possession wise in the time he had with the squad seeing as defensively we have been fairly solid this season.. Perhaps yesterday with the ball it was just a bad day at the office, as you said given 2 weeks now with the squad you hope we will see us looking like we have a bit more of a clue of what we are doing in possession against Boro. Edited November 12, 2023 by Bris Red 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Just now, Bris Red said: Perhaps yesterday with the ball it was just a bad day at the office, as you said given 2 weeks now with the squad you hope we will see us looking like we have a bit more of a clue of what we are doing in possession against Boro. Absolutely, totally agree, I'm not expecting our midfield to morph in a fortnight to running operations like Bellingham does every week but there does need to be some evidence next time out of what we can expect to see moving forwards. I'm sure Manning and Hogg will be as keen to show us that as anyone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Bris Red said: Yeah fair enough, he obviously didn't want to lose the game and 3 days is clearly not enough time to implement what him and Hogg want the team to be doing in possession - i get that. I jus felt we were SO bad in possession for long spells yesterday, worst i've seen us with the ball in a long long time. Not blaming Manning for that directly but you'd have thought he would have tried to have gotten some bits across possession wise in the time he had with the squad seeing as defensively we have been fairly solid this season.. Perhaps yesterday with the ball it was just a bad day at the office, as you said given 2 weeks now with the squad you hope we will see us looking like we have a bit more of a clue of what we are doing in possession against Boro. Re in-possession - I actually saw some small positives, whatever the reason. I thought Max, Vyner and Dickie moved the ball a bit quicker between them, it wasn’t laboured….and we actually got the ball to Pring further up the pitch than we have of late. The problem was we never got it infield from there to open up the pitch and break them down. We didn’t get it down the line either until the second half when Pring set Mehmeti away. On the other side we know George is more conservative, as evidenced by his receipt map. But he did come in-field a bit. I wanted Pring to drive in-field with the ball, but he had a bit of a beast with the ball yesterday. Things improved when Dickie started to come forward, because that took one of their CMs out of their disciplined position, which until that point had blocked up the centre of the pitch. Not much of a positive but a small one. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bris Red said: Yeah fair enough, he obviously didn't want to lose the game and 3 days is clearly not enough time to implement what him and Hogg want the team to be doing in possession - i get that. I just felt we were SO bad in possession for long spells yesterday, worst i've seen us with the ball in a long long time. Not blaming Manning for that directly but you'd have thought he would have tried to have gotten some bits across possession wise in the time he had with the squad seeing as defensively we have been fairly solid this season.. Perhaps yesterday with the ball it was just a bad day at the office, as you said given 2 weeks now with the squad you hope we will see us looking like we have a bit more of a clue of what we are doing in possession against Boro. I’m not surprised we haven’t been great in the last couple of games. That’s not on Manning. The sacking of Pearson must have had a negative/shock impact on some of the players, especially the younger ones. We’ve then had a further change of coaching team between Sheff Wed and QPR (Fleming out; Manning and Hogg in). With all of that turmoil, I’m just glad we managed to pick up 4 points and two clean sheets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 10 hours ago, robin_unreliant said: Liam gives the impression in interviews of being a bit of an introvert. Somewhat similar to JL, which might be why he saw him as a good fit. This could just be an impression though, maybe I'm wrong. I'm not that confident that this type of personality will inspire the squad to give their best if I'm honest. All the best coaches I’ve ever seen operate “on the grass” have been extremely quiet, shy, introverted people off it. It really makes no odds now he comes across from what we will see. How this guy is when he has a camera shoved in his face, will in no way be how he is every day with the players. Coaches/managers can be hugely eccentric, but if they’re screaming and shouting a load of crap does that make it any more inspiring? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, grifty said: Successful? We didn't have a play style? Unless you include pass it around the back 4 until we get under pressure and lump it up to a forward in the hope Knight picks up a loose ball. Or play it back to Max to boot out of play. The style of play looked exactly the same as the Sheff Wed game. Manning needs to try and coach half the team how to make a 5 yard pass because Pearson sure couldn't! Don't get me wrong, I didn't want Pearson to leave, but lets not pretend we were playing anywhere near something resembling 'good' football for the majority of this season! That was part of our problem yesterday. Yes sometimes Max kicks a few out of play, but generally we gained a lot of ground by either Pring winning the header on the halfway line and us winning the second ball or else the ball glancing off Pring or the defender for a throw in. Yesterday we didn't do that and ceded a lot of ground as a consequence. Max was playing it short to Dickie or Vyner and everyone was just knocking it sideways with no purpose. At lease under Pearson there seemed to be an aim to the possession football. i.e pull the other team out of shape and wait for an opening to spring one of the wingers. Some people on here want to call it hoof ball, but at least we had a style and pattern of play. Yesterday the wide men didn't know whether to drop deep or stay high and look for space. Probably Sykes worst game of the season as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Yesterday the wide men didn't know whether to drop deep or stay high and look for space. Probably Sykes worst game of the season as a result. Yep, Sykes in particular seemed to get into bad body positions too, and couldn’t go anywhere. Huge piece of conspiracy theory here…he’s not been good going into both of the recent international breaks. Saving himself a little? He’s generally been good this season, but felt he had more to give yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Spreadsheet Boy said: I loved his interviews, so informative, lots of the way he thinks about the game, etc. Yeah, he didn’t like talking about injuries or transfers or contracts, but none of those are really his to talk about, not in the way he talks about the football. Yep, no cliches, no jargon, a refreshing change from the bland, content free stuff you get from most managers. No 'the lads done good' and 'we go again' tedium but intelligent, articulate insight. Certainly not as old school as he's made out to be he also came across as emotionally intelligent with a sense of perspective. He could certainly be grumpy if asked dumb questions, more so if he was expected to answer questions about decisions that weren't his. Can't say I blame him when those responsible for those decisions were hiding under a rock in Guernsey or the Bahamas. I doubt we'll see his like again. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spreadsheet Boy said: Whatever the tweak was to the right side, QPR were dominant til the subs started having an effect (on at 60, starting to affect the game in 70). We could barely get out of our half. I think it took Dickie’s courage to come forward with the ball, and TGH’s confidence to pass and move to get us going. We finished strongly. But in a game of cause and effect, whatever he did to make a minimal improvement on the right second half it didn’t help the rest of the team. We were under a lot of pressure for a long spell. I loved his interviews, so informative, lots of the way he thinks about the game, etc. Yeah, he didn’t like talking about injuries or transfers or contracts, but none of those are really his to talk about, not in the way he talks about the football. I’m not sure I’d entirely agree that QPR were ‘dominant’. I felt it was more a case of two cautious sides cancelling each other out. @Bris Red has made the point that Manning’s top priority was probably to not lose his first game, and quite possibly Cifuentes felt similarly about his first home game - and for QPR unbeaten in two is a signifciant step. The fact that we couldn’t get out of our half for long spells wasn’t particularly because QPR were putting us under massive pressure, or were a huge threat, it was more to do with them being prepared to sit back with two lines of 4 in their own half, and we couldn’t even begin to break that down! I never really felt that they looked likely to score - they had a few half chances, like us, and I don’t think they had a single shot on target did they? On Pearson, that’s fair comment. I was thinking more about the after match interviews than some of those longer ones. And to be fair, that’s all we’ve got in terms of a comparison between NP and LM. Perhaps Manning will show a different side when he’s got more time and space to talk about his footballing ethos more generally. Edited November 12, 2023 by italian dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, chinapig said: I doubt we'll see his like again. Not on Stevie's watch you won't...................... Edited November 12, 2023 by Numero Uno 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRed Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Woke up, walked the dogs, people still moaning about LM post match interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 thought his interview was fine. Will probably get more in-depth as time goes on but he said all he needed to say, not much more he could add after such a short time. I didn't mind him looking down, to me it made him look more thoughtful and considered. Will probably get more confident as the season progresses unless we lose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 46 minutes ago, petehinton said: All the best coaches I’ve ever seen operate “on the grass” have been extremely quiet, shy, introverted people off it. It really makes no odds now he comes across from what we will see. How this guy is when he has a camera shoved in his face, will in no way be how he is every day with the players. Coaches/managers can be hugely eccentric, but if they’re screaming and shouting a load of crap does that make it any more inspiring? Most managers who are screaming and shouting crap really struggle with getting players to listen to them. That's how it works in the real world. Yes, you get fantastic EXCEPTIONS like Clough and Fergie (and even Colin to a lesser degree) but have a look at the record of ex-players who tried to COPY their methods - it ain't great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, italian dave said: I’m not sure I’d entirely agree that QPR were ‘dominant’. I felt it was more a case of two cautious sides cancelling each other out. @Bris Red has made the point that Manning’s top priority was probably to not lose his first game, and quite possibly Cifuentes felt similarly about his first home game - and for QPR unbeaten in two is a signifciant step. The fact that we couldn’t get out of our half for long spells wasn’t particularly because QPR were putting us under massive pressure, or were a huge threat, it was more to do with them being prepared to sit back with two lines of 4 in their own half, and we couldn’t even begin to break that down! I never really felt that they looked likely to score - they had a few half chances, like us, and I don’t think they had a single shot on target did they? On Pearson, that’s fair comment. I was thinking more about the after match interviews than some of those longer ones. And to be fair, that’s all we’ve got in terms of a comparison between NP and LM. Perhaps Manning will show a different side when he’s got more time and space to talk about his footballing ethos more generally. I’m not saying they were good with their dominance (on-top a better word?), but it was the period they created their chances, it was the period we had to defend our goal / box. We defended it well, but we invited pressure by allowing them to start their attacks much higher up the pitch. ++++++ I’ve just watched the club interview, only heard the BBCRB one last night. I think the words are more important than the eyes / body language imho. A game where you’re not really gonna be able to come out and be all the joys of spring. I wish we had another game quickly, this fortnight is gonna be a long fortnight! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobtherobin Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) I thought it was very worrying. Technical tactical coaching manual speak is fine if a team is winning every week, but I suspect it will become more and more frustrating as we move forward which is where we were with LJ and I hated it. The body language wasnt great as well, if my kid is looking at the floor when they are talking I know they are bullsh!ting. I hope I am wrong but I fear Lansdown and Tinnion have made a massive mistake. Edited November 12, 2023 by Ryan 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 15 hours ago, UncleRed said: Or he could just be trying to think back to the game when he was asked to summarise it by the interviewer. Let’s not read too much into things guys and assume we got all the facts in front of us. When we ‘look back’ our eyes glance up into our head, as if we’re trying to find the information in our brain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRed Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: When we ‘look back’ our eyes glance up into our head, as if we’re trying to find the information in our brain. So no one’s ever looked downwards when trying to think of something? Or remembering something? This whole topic of conversation is madness Edited November 12, 2023 by UncleRed 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, UncleRed said: So no one’s ever looked downwards when trying to think of something? Or remembering something? This whole topic of conversation is madness Any chance of taking the dog back out......................... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRed Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Any chance of taking the dog back out......................... Ahh, a member of the cult has come in support. Was that response because you know your pal was posting nonsense…again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh II Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Any chance of taking the dog back out......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, UncleRed said: Ahh, a member of the cult has come in support. Was that response because you know your pal was posting nonsense…again. Not really, never met the guy. I was just responding in kind to somebody who clearly enjoys coming across as a bit of dick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 51 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Most managers who are screaming and shouting crap really struggle with getting players to listen to them. That's how it works in the real world. Yes, you get fantastic EXCEPTIONS like Clough and Fergie (and even Colin to a lesser degree) but have a look at the record of ex-players who tried to COPY their methods - it ain't great. I read an interview with Dean Holden not long after he'd taken over at Charlton where he said that, in his second or third game in charge, they had an absolutely awful first half and at half time he completely lost his rag, shouting, swearing, knocking tactics boards over etc. It got a response in the second half and the performance was much improved, but he said that you can't do that more than maybe a couple of times a season because the players just become immune to it. If you're having to do it all the time then it just means they're not listening to you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRed Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Just now, Numero Uno said: Not really, never met the guy. I was just responding in kind to somebody who clearly enjoys coming across as a bit of dick. Resorted to name calling, very grown up of you. Couldn’t do that myself on an online forum behind a monitor and keyboard. Surely that would make some look like “a bit of a dick”. All in good debate I suppose as the “big hitters” like to preach. I’m sure they would be proud of their cult members practicing what they preach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Numero Uno said: Any chance of taking the dog back out......................... That suggestion is pure pedigree, chum. Thanks Pal. If things don't improve soon, we're not going to winalot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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