Players who are finished

[Topper 123]

We at Bristol City are fed up of players getting BIG wages that are just not on board and giving 100% for the badge , I don’t like naming players but you must know and you fellow professionals must know who you are , if your spent then hang up your boots and stop robbing the club , if your not good enough and you’ll know then work harder and compete more because us the fans can see it -100 % is all we ask and for the wages you get that’s what we deserve, so PLAYERS buy into this and drive us forward as we will support you 

[Davefevs]

I thought this was a time when we do have a bunch who give 100% for the badge.

[RobArnold10]

Sorry, what? Think these days are long behind us. I can think of a couple that just aren’t in form/are not to the same standard they once were (Father Time finds all of us). But that is a pretty odd call out. So I’m calling BS and would love for you to name and shame because otherwise you’re being a bit of a drama queen…

[Lrrr]

He’s not finish he’s only 28

[Loosey Boy]

Wow, someone is in a bad mood!

[Mr Popodopolous]

Wasn't aware we had any these days. From an attitude and application perspective anyway.

(Can be debates about medium and long term, age, fitness etc).

Edited November 12, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Silvio Dante]

What a bizarre post.

I genuinely don’t think we have any players who don’t “put it in”. Attitude from the group is pretty spot on. As for players declining and not being up to standard anymore - that happens for sure and sometimes the decline is dramatic but hardly anybody would just walk away from a contract - the one example I can recall was Chris Brunt who was shot and walked away from his deal.

So you’re left with who the OP is referring to as not up to standard as being too old. I’m assuming the names he have in the frame are Wells, Weimann, King and James. All have contributed in some way this season, probably Andi least, but you can’t fault his work rate.

Theres an adult debate to be had as to whether Weimann at least is still the player he was at this level. This isn’t it.

[bearded_red]

Absolute garbage as ever.

There is absolutely no lack of effort, spirit or motivation in this squad. They give absolutely everything they can and that in part shows in our very good goals against record.

There is however a lack of creativity, flair and imagination in the final third. None of this will be solved by anyone ‘working harder’. 

[Silvio Dante]

8 minutes ago, Spreadsheet Boy said:

I thought this was a time when we do have a bunch who give 100% for the badge.

Depends which badge to be fair. Probably not as keen on giving 100% for the splat Robin!

[TDarwall]

The last Finnish player was Maenpa the goalie, he was great, we need more like him.

Edited November 12, 2023 by TDarwall

[Lew-T]

Somebody is dreading work in the morning.

[Barrs Court Red]

Hold on you absolute whopper, you were saying we need to get behind the team the other day? 

[Sleepy1968]

27 minutes ago, Topper 123 said:

We at Bristol City are fed up of players getting BIG wages that are just not on board and giving 100% for the badge , I don’t like naming players but you must know and you fellow professionals must know who you are , if your spent then hang up your boots and stop robbing the club , if your not good enough and you’ll know then work harder and compete more because us the fans can see it -100 % is all we ask and for the wages you get that’s what we deserve, so PLAYERS buy into this and drive us forward as we will support you 

What I want to know is how did it take 2.5 years from you pressing send to this getting posted?

[cidercity1987]

3 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

What I want to know is how did it take 2.5 years from you pressing send to this getting posted?

Someone do a post on where the players released summer 2021 are now

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said:

Someone do a post on where the players released summer 2021 are now

Ok;

Gilmartin, Ipswich goalkeeper coach.

Hunt, over the river.

Rowe, back at Doncaster.

Mariappa, Salford City

Adelakun  Lincoln

Lansbury, Retired 

Walsh Swansea

Watkins Kilmarnock 

Paterson Swansea 

Diedhiou Granada

Just about make a case that Lansbury as a squad player did ok at Luton before retiring & Paterson has played regularly at the same level as us, that’s about all though & God knows how much this lot cost us in wages & transfer fees.

 

[Fordy62]

1 hour ago, Topper 123 said:

We at Bristol City are fed up of players getting BIG wages that are just not on board and giving 100% for the badge , I don’t like naming players but you must know and you fellow professionals must know who you are , if your spent then hang up your boots and stop robbing the club , if your not good enough and you’ll know then work harder and compete more because us the fans can see it -100 % is all we ask and for the wages you get that’s what we deserve, so PLAYERS buy into this and drive us forward as we will support you 

This is like one of those riddles Ted Rogers would give on 3-2-1. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

10 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Ok;

Gilmartin, Ipswich goalkeeper coach.

Hunt, over the river.

Rowe, back at Doncaster.

Mariappa, Salford City

Adelakun  Lincoln

Lansbury, Retired 

Walsh Swansea

Watkins Kilmarnock 

Paterson Swansea 

Diedhiou Granada

Just about make a case that Lansbury as a squad player did ok at Luton before retiring & Paterson has played regularly at the same level as us, that’s about all though & God knows how much this lot cost us in wages & transfer fees.

 

Granada are La Liga now albeit dunno whether Diedhiou has played much at all.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just been having a think tbh.

In - 2021-22 (Summer) (5)

Tanner, *Simpson

Atkinson

James, King

Out- 2021-22 (11)

Gilmartin

Hunt

Mariappa

Rowe

Lansbury, Nagy, Walsh

Paterson

Watkins, Adelakun

Diedhiou

Expiring loans (2)

Mawson

Sessegnon

In- January 2022  (1)

Klose

2021-22 (1)

*Simpson, in and out.

In- 2022-23 (4)

Bajic

Wilson

Naismith

Sykes

Out- 2022-23 (Summer) (4)

Cundy

Bakinson

O'Dowda

Palmer

Just after summer 2023 (1)

Baker sadly has to retire. We pay up contract, too financially FFP hamstrung to add say Bamba on a free.

In- January 2023 (3)

*Haikin

Cornick, Mehmeti

Out- January 2023 (5 and 1)

Bentley, Bajic (loan)

Klose

Massengo (loan but inevitable)

Semenyo, Martin

In and then out (1)

*Haikin

Summer 2023- In (5)

McCrorie

Dickie

Roberts

Knight, Gardner-Hickman

Summer 2023- Out (4, 1 and 1)

Wilson

Kalas

DaSilva

Scott

Moore after loan spells left permanently, Massengo long goodbye transpired.

A free post Summer window (1)

Thomas (Just to fill in as 3rd GK while Wiles-Richards).

Total In

19

Total Out

28-30.

Squad was too big, too unwieldy and many things before but what chance did NP stand really. First the necessary FFP, then the totally unwarranted starving of resources.

Some came and went within a year or 2 ie Wilson, Haikin and Simpson proved short term, Moore especially wasn't within consideration. Perhaps 24 if we don't include some of those.

In and out in short order

Haikin and Simpson

Wilson and Klose too but they were over a year or more.

Moore had loans out before expiring.

We can argue about exact criteria but there is a net swing of 10-15 out.

Edited November 12, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Ivorguy]

Arguably our squad is now too small

There must be a middle way

[bcfc01]

55 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Granada are La Liga now albeit dunno whether Diedhiou has played much at all.

Not started a game this season.

6 sub appearances totalling 46 minutes.

[1team]

Wondering if this is seed sowing for the release of James and King. Paranoia I know, but don't know this poster.

[ChubStixx]

We've got a likeable and professional squad, which is great to see. I think they all want to do well for themselves and the club. We've done very well to move certain players on over the last couple of years.

Annoyingly, we're crying out for a couple of players like Alex Scott and Semenyo.

I think we'll finish around mid-table. We're light in certain positions. A physical striker or one with a bit of aerial presence would be good.

 

[1960maaan]

18 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Arguably our squad is now too small

There must be a middle way

Hindsight says it was a risk going into the season with 3 CB's , but no one could have expected the amount of injuries we have had. McCrorie fit and one more CB and I think the situation looks different. 
All if's and buts know, and I think many were saying we could have done with 1/2 more players. Nige hinted at it , Tinnion said Pearson didn't want one when offered. Those 2 players would have made the difference IMO.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2/3 light IMO.

A 4th CB, a creator in midfield be it loan or whatever, to carry and maybe a GK to truly push O'Leary.

In that scenario, no Thomas and you loan out the least ready of Bajic and Wiles-Richards.

Edited November 12, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[GrahamC]

11 minutes ago, 1team said:

Wondering if this is seed sowing for the release of James and King. Paranoia I know, but don't know this poster.

Both out of contract next summer.

The only way King leaves before then is if we pay him off.

James will be thinking about his future in January, so could be moving on, but he’s started 15 out of 16, this isn’t some back up player, he’d need a straight replacement.

My hunch is he’ll see the season out & look at his options then.

[1960maaan]

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Both out of contract next summer.

The only way King leaves before then is if we pay him off.

James will be thinking about his future in January, so could be moving on, but he’s started 15 out of 16, this isn’t some back up player, he’d need a straight replacement.

My hunch is he’ll see the season out & look at his options then.

For my money I'd keep him. 
One of the better players this season, been very consistent . As you say not a bit part player, so you have to weigh up wages Vs Cost of replacing + wages .

[Simon bristol]

11 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

For my money I'd keep him. 
One of the better players this season, been very consistent . As you say not a bit part player, so you have to weigh up wages Vs Cost of replacing + wages .

Id keep james too, king and williams should be allowed to leave with tgh coming in as a starting midfielder with knight, ideally with a creative midfielder who can get some goals.

[1960maaan]

7 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Id keep james too, king and williams should be allowed to leave with tgh coming in as a starting midfielder with knight, ideally with a creative midfielder who can get some goals.

I like Williams, had some bad luck and maybe given some bad medical advice with injuries. The other problem is ( if the word is true ) he is one of the higher earners, I doubt the Club would want to match what he is on so could be more money wasted. I would keep him , on the right terms, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him walk at the end of his contract.

[Port Said Red]

4 hours ago, Topper 123 said:

We at Bristol City are fed up of players getting BIG wages that are just not on board and giving 100% for the badge , I don’t like naming players but you must know and you fellow professionals must know who you are , if your spent then hang up your boots and stop robbing the club , if your not good enough and you’ll know then work harder and compete more because us the fans can see it -100 % is all we ask and for the wages you get that’s what we deserve, so PLAYERS buy into this and drive us forward as we will support you 

[cidercity1987]

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Just been having a think tbh.

In - 2021-22 (Summer) (5)

Tanner, *Simpson

Atkinson

James, King

Out- 2021-22 (11)

Gilmartin

Hunt

Mariappa

Rowe

Lansbury, Nagy, Walsh

Paterson

Watkins, Adelakun

Diedhiou

Expiring loans (2)

Mawson

Sessegnon

In- January 2022  (1)

Klose

2021-22 (1)

*Simpson, in and out.

In- 2022-23 (4)

Bajic

Wilson

Naismith

Sykes

Out- 2022-23 (Summer) (4)

Cundy

Bakinson

O'Dowda

Palmer

Just after summer 2023 (1)

Baker sadly has to retire. We pay up contract, too financially FFP hamstrung to add say Bamba on a free.

In- January 2023 (3)

*Haikin

Cornick, Mehmeti

Out- January 2023 (5 and 1)

Bentley, Bajic (loan)

Klose

Massengo (loan but inevitable)

Semenyo, Martin

In and then out (1)

*Haikin

Summer 2023- In (5)

McCrorie

Dickie

Roberts

Knight, Gardner-Hickman

Summer 2023- Out (4, 1 and 1)

Wilson

Kalas

DaSilva

Scott

Moore after loan spells left permanently, Massengo long goodbye transpired.

A free post Summer window (1)

Thomas (Just to fill in as 3rd GK while Wiles-Richards).

Total In

19

Total Out

28-30.

Squad was too big, too unwieldy and many things before but what chance did NP stand really. First the necessary FFP, then the totally unwarranted starving of resources.

Some came and went within a year or 2 ie Wilson, Haikin and Simpson proved short term, Moore especially wasn't within consideration. Perhaps 24 if we don't include some of those.

In and out in short order

Haikin and Simpson

Wilson and Klose too but they were over a year or more.

Moore had loans out before expiring.

We can argue about exact criteria but there is a net swing of 10-15 out.

What a job Nige did

To manage a large outflux of overpaid unwanted players and a much smaller influx, whilst keeping us competitive and nowhere near relegation

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

Hindsight says it was a risk going into the season with 3 CB's , but no one could have expected the amount of injuries we have had. McCrorie fit and one more CB and I think the situation looks different. 
All if's and buts know, and I think many were saying we could have done with 1/2 more players. Nige hinted at it , Tinnion said Pearson didn't want one when offered. Those 2 players would have made the difference IMO.

Guess the view was Vyner, Dickie and Naismith, with Roberts and McCrorie versatile until Atkinson came back.

[steviestevieneville]

4 hours ago, Topper 123 said:

We at Bristol City are fed up of players getting BIG wages that are just not on board and giving 100% for the badge , I don’t like naming players but you must know and you fellow professionals must know who you are , if your spent then hang up your boots and stop robbing the club , if your not good enough and you’ll know then work harder and compete more because us the fans can see it -100 % is all we ask and for the wages you get that’s what we deserve, so PLAYERS buy into this and drive us forward as we will support you 

Oxygen thief 

[1960maaan]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Guess the view was Vyner, Dickie and Naismith, with Roberts and McCrorie versatile until Atkinson came back.

Which was my thinking at the time ,  with Pring and Tanner both having filled in there at times. 
The timing and places injuries hit were as damaging as the numbers.  Everything is easy with hindsight.

[PHILINFRANCE]

5 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

What a bizarre post.

I genuinely don’t think we have any players who don’t “put it in”. Attitude from the group is pretty spot on. As for players declining and not being up to standard anymore - that happens for sure and sometimes the decline is dramatic but hardly anybody would just walk away from a contract - the one example I can recall was Chris Brunt who was shot and walked away from his deal.

So you’re left with who the OP is referring to as not up to standard as being too old. I’m assuming the names he have in the frame are Wells, Weimann, King and James. All have contributed in some way this season, probably Andi least, but you can’t fault his work rate.

Theres an adult debate to be had as to whether Weimann at least is still the player he was at this level. This isn’t it.

I was going to suggest you might add Joe Williams to your brief list, but I have just checked and see he is only 26 - he will be 27 in a few weeks.

Additionally, his occasional lack of performance is probably more due to his injury problems (whose fault that is doesn’t fall in this thread).

Similarly, Kal Naismith, whilst soon to be 32, seems to show no real signs of slowing down, repeated injuries notwithstanding.

In short, I think I share your view that the OP was rather strange, provocative even.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Is it a way of attempting to rally support behind Manning by the OP by suggesting certain players are bad applies, that the club need to spend a bit- therefore thereorically giving Manning a better chance of success.

The OP certainly could name players they consider to be a poor influence, phoning it in etc if they want to expand their argument.

[maxjak]

On 12/11/2023 at 17:13, Topper 123 said:

We at Bristol City are fed up of players getting BIG wages that are just not on board and giving 100% for the badge , I don’t like naming players but you must know and you fellow professionals must know who you are , if your spent then hang up your boots and stop robbing the club , if your not good enough and you’ll know then work harder and compete more because us the fans can see it -100 % is all we ask and for the wages you get that’s what we deserve, so PLAYERS buy into this and drive us forward as we will support you 

Great Pep Talk.........ever thought of going into motivational speaking?............... 

Edited November 15, 2023 by maxjak

[maxjak]

On 12/11/2023 at 19:06, GrahamC said:

Ok;

Gilmartin, Ipswich goalkeeper coach.

Hunt, over the river.

Rowe, back at Doncaster.

Mariappa, Salford City

Adelakun  Lincoln

Lansbury, Retired 

Walsh Swansea

Watkins Kilmarnock 

Paterson Swansea 

Diedhiou Granada

Just about make a case that Lansbury as a squad player did ok at Luton before retiring & Paterson has played regularly at the same level as us, that’s about all though & God knows how much this lot cost us in wages & transfer fees.

 

Thanks.............that;s really interesting.............Diedhiou at Grenada?  What happened to his Turkish Adventure?

[maxjak]

On 12/11/2023 at 20:29, ChubStixx said:

We've got a likeable and professional squad, which is great to see. I think they all want to do well for themselves and the club. We've done very well to move certain players on over the last couple of years.

Annoyingly, we're crying out for a couple of players like Alex Scott and Semenyo.

I think we'll finish around mid-table. We're light in certain positions. A physical striker or one with a bit of aerial presence would be good.

 

Can    only dream?  But with Antoine and Alex in that side, we would be top 6?  I would love to have seen Semenyo and Conway as a reqular front two?  Please allow me to daydream?  Ha!

[GrahamC]

32 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Thanks.............that;s really interesting.............Diedhiou at Grenada?  What happened to his Turkish Adventure?

He had a dispute as they didn’t appear to have paid his wages.

Joined Granada as a result but very much a back up player there.

[Gert Mare]

On 12/11/2023 at 17:13, Topper 123 said:

We at Bristol City are fed up of players getting BIG wages that are just not on board and giving 100% for the badge , I don’t like naming players but you must know and you fellow professionals must know who you are , if your spent then hang up your boots and stop robbing the club , if your not good enough and you’ll know then work harder and compete more because us the fans can see it -100 % is all we ask and for the wages you get that’s what we deserve, so PLAYERS buy into this and drive us forward as we will support you 

Absolutely! If they can't put a decent shift in they should leave and sign for our vets team up at the tented village in Horfield!

[SecretSam]

"I don't like naming players..."

Then doesn't name players.

Sorry, have I missed something?

What an absolute word salad.

[Northern Red]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

He had a dispute as they didn’t appear to have paid his wages.

Joined Granada as a result but very much a back up player there.

Yep. Effectively went on strike and refused to go back to Turkey after the World Cup, then moved to Granada in the January window.

[RedRock]

18 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Yep. Effectively went on strike and refused to go back to Turkey after the World Cup, then moved to Granada in the January window.

The grass is always greener …. oh, hang on. 

Next week we will see a posting by his Agent of him posing by a street sign in Bemmy declaring his undying love for BCFC and that he never wanted leave in the first place.

[lotusman]

I do not subscribe to the view that some players give less than 100%, in many ways the culture that N.P. and his "coaching" team developed was one of real spirit and being ready when called upon. Based on squad value one report indicates they hold 3rd spot in over achievement so far this season with only Ipswich & P.N.E. ahead of us. Certainly that tight knit squad he preferred was a departure from the over abundance of similar like talents that has been part of our recent history. I can even recall a televised away game at Brentford when B.T. was manager ( or was it coach), the commentator referred to us as the " Chelsea" of the division, sadly not for the quality of our play but the fact we had so many players!

An additional player or two most certainly would have been beneficial recently yet our commitment to the academy pipe line is integral to the overall operation, the prospects of international breaks would also influence optimism of return to fitness times. However, J.L. and B.T. need to return to reality and stop claiming that Pearson's squad was capable of  a play off position. The bookmakers latest prediction have seen us drop from 12th place to 15th, with Manning's "on field" coaching influence, return of the injured, coupled with some January activity let us hope he can add some real quality to the areas where more quality is so necessary. Then a 12th place finish can be considered success.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Diedhiou just won a penalty I notice at Alaves. Albeit Granada 3-1 down after that so probably no great difference.