REDOXO Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I made a reference to my personal shareholding in a thread earlier and have seen a couple more since. So I wondered How many shares are still out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) Bristol City Holdings Limited has 154,706,262 ordinary shares in issue, and no other classes. There are 2,834 shareholders. Pula Sport Ltd owns 152,771,146 of those shares, representing 98.7% of the total. So there are 1,935,116 shares held by 2,833 other people. You can check the 185 page CS01 on companies house for details. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01501663/filing-history Edited December 4, 2023 by ExiledAjax 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 And are they as worthless as they seem?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Bristol City Holdings Limited has 154,706,262 ordinary shares in issue, and no other classes. There are 2,834 shareholders. Pula Sport Ltd owns 152,771,146 of those shares, representing 98.7% of the total. So there are 1,935,116 shares held by 2,833 other people. You can check the 185 page CS01 on companies house for details. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01501663/filing-history I love you guys. Know where to go straight away. So 1.3% are not owned by Pula. How many of those shareholders come here I wonder. And how many regret selling to SL now. Edited December 4, 2023 by REDOXO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, nickolas said: And are they as worthless as they seem?! Edit. I need to check before saying really. Edited December 4, 2023 by ExiledAjax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 Just now, ExiledAjax said: Yes Probably. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, nickolas said: And are they as worthless as they seem?! The shares have been so heavily diluted over the years by the Lansdowns doing debt for new equity swaps to keep within the FFP limits that yes, they are really only of sentimental value these days. At how much would the club be valued with the ground? £40m maybe, or £30m with the third party debt on the ground going with it. The minority shareholding of 1.3% is worth £390k on that £30m basis, each ordinay share is worth 19.4p. The buyback by the Lansdowns was incredibly generous as it was at £2 a share. If I had only had a few I might have held on for said sentimental reasons but I had a fair few so accepted it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, REDOXO said: I love you guys. Know where to go straight away. So 1.3% are not owned by Pula. How many of those shareholders come here I wonder. And how many regret selling to SL now. I've got a few. The share certificate is signed by John Laycock. I'll probably never sell them, not that they're worth much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I`ve still got my forty quid`s worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamski Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I still have my original £100s worth, somewhere, no idea where though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 Ajax will have opinion on this but to what extent can people be a pain in the Arse is there possible value rather than their financial value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, adamski said: I still have my original £100s worth, somewhere, no idea where though Ditto. Worthless I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, adamski said: I still have my original £100s worth, somewhere, no idea where though Go to the link that @ExiledAjax posted and look for your name on the register giving your shareholding, as long as it's there then you don't actually require your certificate to sell (not that you appear to be intending to do so anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I'm keeping my £50 worth til we reach the Prem then I will sell them and buy a villa next door to JL in the Bahamas and we can drink rum and talk football all day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 50 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Go to the link that @ExiledAjax posted and look for your name on the register giving your shareholding, as long as it's there then you don't actually require your certificate to sell (not that you appear to be intending to do so anyway). Thanks, I'm still there. To put it in perspective, the Dawe's still own approx 650,000 shares, and they presumably have less than 1% ownership. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I bought a handful of shares in 1982. When Scott Davison took over in the mid to late 90s I received a letter saying I had the right to sell them for double the price as that's what the new investors had paid for their shares. But Davison requested shareholders for the good of the club not to do this. So I didn't. However, like a lot of you other shareholders by about 6 or 7 years ago I thought the shares were pretty worthless and made enquiries and was told that someone was buying them, I wasn't informed who, and they were bought at the price I paid in 1982. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 minute ago, handsofclay said: I bought a handful of shares in 1982. When Scott Davison took over in the mid to late 90s I received a letter saying I had the right to sell them for double the price as that's what the new investors had paid for their shares. But Davison requested shareholders for the good of the club not to do this. So I didn't. However, like a lot of you other shareholders by about 6 or 7 years ago I thought the shares were pretty worthless and made enquiries and was told that someone was buying them, I wasn't informed who, and they were bought at the price I paid in 1982. SL bought them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 No, I'm Spartacus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, REDOXO said: SL bought them That's what I thought as they are of little use to anyone else while he is a large majority shareholder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said: Go to the link that @ExiledAjax posted and look for your name on the register giving your shareholding, as long as it's there then you don't actually require your certificate to sell (not that you appear to be intending to do so anyway). I mean technically it's the register of members that you need to be on rather than the CS01 available at that link, but practically speaking this is correct. And Eddie is correct that you don't need your certificate. 1 hour ago, REDOXO said: Ajax will have opinion on this but to what extent can people be a pain in the Arse is there possible value rather than their financial value. A minimal extent. 98.7% of shares means Lansdown controls 98.7% of any votes cast on anything. You tell me what happens if a vote/election has 98.7% of votes in favour of something. And since private companies are not required to hold an AGM, you can't even complain publically about anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: I mean technically it's the register of members that you need to be on rather than the CS01 available at that link, but practically speaking this is correct. And Eddie is correct that you don't need your certificate. A minimal extent. 98.7% of shares means Lansdown controls 98.7% of any votes cast on anything. You tell me what happens if a vote/election has 98.7% of votes in favour of something. And since private companies are not required to hold an AGM, you can't even complain publically about anything. I've now got an official headache trying to find the right link. To long in the colonies I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, REDOXO said: I've now got an official headache trying to find the right link. To long in the colonies I suppose. The link to the CS01? Click this https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01501663/filing-history There will be a series of boxes. You can check these to filter the list of filing. Select the box next to "Confirmation statements/annual returns". Then click the link to the first PDF in the list. The highlighted one in this screenshot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) Edit. Also, embarrassing oversight from me here. SL of course did his annual conversion of debt to equity in the summer. So there are actually 177,206,262 shares in issue. There's no material impact other than you all own slight less % than I said earlier. Apologies. The 2023 CS01 will be filed later this month and that will clear it all up. Edited December 4, 2023 by ExiledAjax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Still have mine although can’t find Rudolf Hucker anywhere on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Edit. Also, embarrassing oversight from me here. SL of course did his annual conversion of debt to equity in the summer. So there are actually 177,206,262 shares in issue. There's no material impact other than you all own slight less % than I said earlier. Apologies. The 2023 CS01 will be filed later this month and that will clear it all up. Thanks Ajax. Yep there I am! A lot of names I ‘used’ to know Edited December 4, 2023 by REDOXO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I found myself on the list. what’s the plan??? Are we buying SL out??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 No plan but there we all are! Who knows there might be one someday 17 minutes ago, Mendip City said: I found myself on the list. what’s the plan??? Are we buying SL out??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipflopcity Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 found my name on the list but says i'm deceased !!!! I'm NOT bought £10 in 1982 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, flipflopcity said: found my name on the list but says i'm deceased !!!! I'm NOT bought £10 in 1982 Perhaps you’re just stunned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 2 hours ago, flipflopcity said: found my name on the list but says i'm deceased !!!! I'm NOT bought £10 in 1982 Reports of your death have been greatly exaggerated. Apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowie Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 04/12/2023 at 20:03, ExiledAjax said: The link to the CS01? Click this https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01501663/filing-history There will be a series of boxes. You can check these to filter the list of filing. Select the box next to "Confirmation statements/annual returns". Then click the link to the first PDF in the list. The highlighted one in this screenshot. Thanks, I found my Dad on there, thought he only had a handful but this shows a dozen handfuls. He has recently passed away, any idea what happens with these now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 04/12/2023 at 20:27, Rudolf Hucker said: Still have mine although can’t find Rudolf Hucker anywhere on the list. I found my listing 200 apparently, they were left to me in my dad's will. I note that the late Herbie Gilliam held a small number of shares too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 24 minutes ago, chowie said: Thanks, I found my Dad on there, thought he only had a handful but this shows a dozen handfuls. He has recently passed away, any idea what happens with these now? Your father's executors/administrators will temporarily own them pending probate, when they will be passed to your father's beneficiaries. Give the person who dealt with your father's estate a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowie Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Your father's executors/administrators will temporarily own them pending probate, when they will be passed to your father's beneficiaries. Give the person who dealt with your father's estate a call. I'm currently trying to sort that with Mum now, so I guess that's me, no idea who I/we contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 04/12/2023 at 19:09, marmite said: I'm keeping my £50 worth til we reach the Prem then I will sell them and buy a villa next door to JL in the Bahamas and we can drink rum and talk football all day. I’d rather talk football with the bottle of rum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antman Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 04/12/2023 at 17:58, REDOXO said: I love you guys. Know where to go straight away. So 1.3% are not owned by Pula. How many of those shareholders come here I wonder. And how many regret selling to SL now. i kept mine - didn't feel like being bullied out of that stake. i don't care if they are worthless, it's symbolic. Lansdown knows the price of things, but not the value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipflopcity Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 04/12/2023 at 22:30, flipflopcity said: found my name on the list but says i'm deceased !!!! I'm NOT bought £10 in 1982 Burgess Salmon Solicitors hold the register, you need to direct enquires to them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 17 hours ago, chowie said: I'm currently trying to sort that with Mum now, so I guess that's me, no idea who I/we contact. I guess you can write to the company. It might seem old school/slow but I'd honestly send a letter addressed to - The Secretary Bristol City Holdings Ltd Ashton Gate Stadium Ashton Road Bristol BS3 2EJ. Gavin Marshall is the secretary so mark it for his attention. Explain the situation - give your dad's name, the address that you expect will be on his share certificate, date of death, any other details you have of his shareholding - and ask them what to do. It may take a while to get a response but I think that is your easiest/cheapest option and means you're doing something. The other option is to speak to a company called Computershare. I am 99% sure that they are the company who manage the register of shareholders. However, I expect they would tell you that they just do the administrative stuff and can't advise you on what you need to do - but they might be able to help you get in touch with the right person. https://www.computershare.com/uk/individuals/im-a-shareholder/contact-us Computershare's contact details are at the link above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipflopcity Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 14 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: I guess you can write to the company. It might seem old school/slow but I'd honestly send a letter addressed to - The Secretary Bristol City Holdings Ltd Ashton Gate Stadium Ashton Road Bristol BS3 2EJ. Gavin Marshall is the secretary so mark it for his attention. Explain the situation - give your dad's name, the address that you expect will be on his share certificate, date of death, any other details you have of his shareholding - and ask them what to do. It may take a while to get a response but I think that is your easiest/cheapest option and means you're doing something. The other option is to speak to a company called Computershare. I am 99% sure that they are the company who manage the register of shareholders. However, I expect they would tell you that they just do the administrative stuff and can't advise you on what you need to do - but they might be able to help you get in touch with the right person. https://www.computershare.com/uk/individuals/im-a-shareholder/contact-us Computershare's contact details are at the link above. NO THAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT... Can I reiterate you need to Contact BURGESS SALMON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 I’ve got 20, do I get to use SL’s private jet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Portland Bill said: I’ve got 20, do I get to use SL’s private jet Only if you`re a qualified pilot and the normal bloke`s off sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 04/12/2023 at 18:04, Kid in the Riot said: I've got a few. The share certificate is signed by John Laycock. I'll probably never sell them, not that they're worth much! Ditto, except mine are signed by Des Williams! Sadly, I don't think I'll ever be able to mount a takeover bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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