Antman Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 impressively stupid https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67648122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Antman said: impressively stupid https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67648122 That looked premeditated, I wonder if there is previous between them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 I hate it when players who take kick offs purposefully block players closing down, it seems to happen every kick off! Surely it's obstruction? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 25 minutes ago, grifty said: I hate it when players who take kick offs purposefully block players closing down, it seems to happen every kick off! Surely it's obstruction? Of his elbow ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Straight red. Violent conduct. Absolutely no need to make that contact. Refs never like to give cards as a rule in the first minutes of a match though, so get your cynical fouls in then, I say. Marley Watkins' Elbow will make a good forum name for a new Otib member incidentally.... 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 With VAR I really don't know how that is not a red. Off a football pitch and you're potentially looking at a prison sentence for that. The potential for a serious injury was high. We've seen plenty of incidents in life where one punch can lead to death. I'm a firm believer in that these VAR decisions need to be explained to the audience. Explain why this wasn't a red because somehow the only person that didn't consider it a red was the VAR official. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Straight red. Violent conduct. Absolutely no need to make that contact. Refs never like to give cards as a rule in the first minutes of a match though, so get your cynical fouls in then, I say. Marley Watkins' Elbow will make a good forum name for a new Otib member incidentally.... Perhaps if Tomas Kalas were ever to sign up he could use it to remind him of the happy times he spent with Marley................... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Genuine question… would people prefer Watkins or Cornick given a choice? Feel Cornick is the better player, but Watkins with the better record, if you can call it that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 £1m fee + probably £10K a week wages. What a signing he was 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Genuine question… would people prefer Watkins or Cornick given a choice? Feel Cornick is the better player, but Watkins with the better record, if you can call it that! Cornick will come good assuming Manning starts with him. He’d make an ideal ‘big’ man alongside Conway. I never rated Watkins at all……… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, petehinton said: £1m fee + probably £10K a week wages. What a signing he was Probably only trumped by Hakeeb Adelakun who inexplicably arrived at the same time, cost £700k, & made just 5 starts, spending nearly all of his 3 (!) years with us out on loan. Now a squad player for Lincoln, which is basically the level that he was always at. Whoever was in charge of the identifying potential signings in that era should have been sacked years ago. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Robbored said: Cornick will come good assuming Manning starts with him. He’d make an ideal ‘big’ man alongside Conway. I never rated Watkins at all……… I think there is a good player in there. We've seen signs of it. I just don't really know how we get him in the team alongside Conway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 24 minutes ago, petehinton said: £1m fee + probably £10K a week wages. What a signing he was We bought the wrong Watkins 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 30 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Genuine question… would people prefer Watkins or Cornick given a choice? Feel Cornick is the better player, but Watkins with the better record, if you can call it that! Cornick scored 13 at this level in 21/22 & cost £300k, less than a third of Watkins, who has never done that. Not sure in what way Watkins has the better record, whether Cornick ever turns out to be a success here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Probably only trumped by Hakeeb Adelakun who inexplicably arrived at the same time, cost £700k, & made just 5 starts, spending nearly all of his 3 (!) years with us out on loan. Now a squad player for Lincoln, which is basically the level that he was always at. Whoever was in charge of the identifying potential signings in that era should have been sacked years ago. You can add Liam Walsh as well. This is like “shit signings” top trumps. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, grifty said: I hate it when players who take kick offs purposefully block players closing down, it seems to happen every kick off! Surely it's obstruction? I feel the same when defenders shepherd the ball over the by-line and blocking attackers getting anywhere near the ball, it'd plain obstruction 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I think there is a good player in there. We've seen signs of it. I just don't really know how we get him in the team alongside Conway. Conway is relatively small in stature and doesn’t have the height or body mass to bully defenders. It’s his movement that’s the real ability that causes defences problems. Play Cornick alongside him in two and defenders have two different problems to cope with.. I’d like to see Manning try starting the two together up top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, petehinton said: £1m fee + probably £10K a week wages. What a signing he was Someone I’d completely forgotten about until this thread. Looking at his stats had no idea he’d been here for three years, looks like he was a MA/LJ sign loads of players signing. Up there as one of the most forgettable players of all time to have played for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 30 minutes ago, glynriley said: You can add Liam Walsh as well. This is like “shit signings” top trumps. Loads on here thought he was Messi mind. His availability made Darren Anderson’s look like Rob Newman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, Robbored said: Conway is relatively small in stature and doesn’t have the height or body mass to bully defenders. It’s his movement that’s the real ability that causes defences problems. Play Cornick alongside him in two and defenders have two different problems to cope with.. I’d like to see Manning try starting the two together up top. Conway is taller than Cornick. Not sure what you're on about here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Antman said: impressively stupid https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67648122 Saw that yesterday and couldn't believe it wasn’t reviewed by VAR. Then again, this seems par for the course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, Robbored said: Conway is relatively small in stature and doesn’t have the height or body mass to bully defenders. It’s his movement that’s the real ability that causes defences problems. Play Cornick alongside him in two and defenders have two different problems to cope with.. I’d like to see Manning try starting the two together up top. I suppose the dilemma is that if we want two up front then you have to sacrifice somewhere else. So if we went 442 then we'd risk becoming overloaded in the centre of the pitch. If we went 352 then we lose wingers. If we went 4312 or a variation of that then again we lose wingers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said: Conway is taller than Cornick. Not sure what you're on about here. To be honest I rarely understand what he’s on about. @Davefevs has pointed out several times Cornick’s best spell at Luton was partnering Elijah Adebayo who is about as different a striker from TC as you can possibly get. I can’t work out whether his posts are a wind up or just someone without the first idea what they’re watching. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, glynriley said: You can add Liam Walsh as well. This is like “shit signings” top trumps. Wonderboy and Mr Slimeball must have some sort of football league record for the number of completely s*** signings they made Still some on here that think Wonderboy was exactly that mind Spookily , often the biggest and loudest critics of NP Hilarious Edited December 9, 2023 by Sheltons Army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Probably only trumped by Hakeeb Adelakun who inexplicably arrived at the same time, cost £700k, & made just 5 starts, spending nearly all of his 3 (!) years with us out on loan. Now a squad player for Lincoln, which is basically the level that he was always at. Whoever was in charge of the identifying potential signings in that era should have been sacked years ago. Watkins was definitely LJ’s man, but believe it was @Kid in the Riot who said Adelukan was 100% Ashton’s signing, LJ didn’t want him and didn’t rate him hence never playing. I can’t remember who, but i recall a first team player jokingly (but probably truthfully) say they’d never heard Adelukan speak a word to anyone the whole time he was a contracted player here. Scotty gave Stan one of his match issued shirts after his first appearance on osib though, so at least one of us benefitted from him somehow Edited December 9, 2023 by petehinton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, petehinton said: Watkins was definitely LJ’s man, but believe it was @Kid in the Riot who said Adelukan was 100% Ashton’s signing, LJ didn’t want him and didn’t rate him hence never playing. I can’t remember who, but i recall a first team player jokingly (but probably truthfully) say they’d never heard Adelukan speak a word to anyone the whole time he was a contracted player here. Scotty gave Stan one of his match issued shirts after his first appearance on osib though, so at least one of us benefitted from him somehow Interesting. Mind you not sure I would walk around in a City shirt with “Adelakun” on the back, would probably only be topped by one with “Ekstrand” on it.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 32 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Conway is taller than Cornick. Not sure what you're on about here. Is he? Certainly doesn’t look it on the pitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: Is he? Certainly doesn’t look it on the pitch. You’re right RR - Conway is slightly taller than Cornick. That’s really surprised me judging from how they compare visually on the pitch plus the fact that Cornick wins far more headers. I wrongly assumed that HC was taller. Must be an optical illusion……..……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: Straight red. Violent conduct. Absolutely no need to make that contact. Refs never like to give cards as a rule in the first minutes of a match though, so get your cynical fouls in then, I say. Marley Watkins' Elbow will make a good forum name for a new Otib member incidentally.... Wade Elliot springs to mind - sent off in under 3 minutes as Swindon were on their way to winning the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Calculus said: Wade Elliot springs to mind - sent off in under 3 minutes as Swindon were on their way to winning the league. A Bafta-winning simulation there conned the ref. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antman Posted December 9, 2023 Author Share Posted December 9, 2023 38 minutes ago, Robbored said: Is he? Certainly doesn’t look it on the pitch. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Cornick scored 13 at this level in 21/22 & cost £300k, less than a third of Watkins, who has never done that. Not sure in what way Watkins has the better record, whether Cornick ever turns out to be a success here. Watkins 3 goals in 27 games, Cornick 2 in 31… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, glynriley said: You can add Liam Walsh as well. This is like “shit signings” top trumps. I will raise you a gustav engvall? Kasey palmer, based on cost and return must be the worst though? has to be said though. Marley watkins is a joke, the fact hes at a respected spl club shows how bad that standard really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 I doubt you'd ever find Cornick hiding in the changing rooms to avoid having to train, which instantly marks him as better than Watkins. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 That's a red card and a 3 match ban for Bailey Wright! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 No other player reminds me of how badly we wasted money in that period. Dear lord, how we had him for three years on the books... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 13 hours ago, GrahamC said: Probably only trumped by Hakeeb Adelakun who inexplicably arrived at the same time, cost £700k, & made just 5 starts, spending nearly all of his 3 (!) years with us out on loan. Now a squad player for Lincoln, which is basically the level that he was always at. Whoever was in charge of the identifying potential signings in that era should have been sacked years ago. I believe he got a promotion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Antman said: impressively stupid https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67648122 Almost as stupid as us giving Norwich 1 million great British pounds for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Gustav Engvall please and thanks. £2m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 16 hours ago, grifty said: I hate it when players who take kick offs purposefully block players closing down, it seems to happen every kick off! Surely it's obstruction? Obstruction nowadays seems to a very different thing to what it was years ago. If it exists at all - not sure I can remember the last time I saw it penalised. Even this afternoon; there were two or three occasions when Conway was chasing through to try to press their keeper, and a defender just deliberately ran into his path and forced him wider - no attempt to play or even shield the ball. And it’s taken for granted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 10 hours ago, italian dave said: Obstruction nowadays seems to a very different thing to what it was years ago. If it exists at all - not sure I can remember the last time I saw it penalised. Even this afternoon; there were two or three occasions when Conway was chasing through to try to press their keeper, and a defender just deliberately ran into his path and forced him wider - no attempt to play or even shield the ball. And it’s taken for granted. Does my head in. One was right in front on the Lino too. It’s an obvious foul, and so easy to give. As shit as Andy Davies is, I thought we were on the right side of his decisions yesterday, he must hate Huddersfield more than us! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 10 hours ago, italian dave said: Obstruction nowadays seems to a very different thing to what it was years ago. If it exists at all - not sure I can remember the last time I saw it penalised. Even this afternoon; there were two or three occasions when Conway was chasing through to try to press their keeper, and a defender just deliberately ran into his path and forced him wider - no attempt to play or even shield the ball. And it’s taken for granted. Their centre back Pearson? What a total carthorse he is, got to be one of the worst at our level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Does my head in. One was right in front on the Lino too. It’s an obvious foul, and so easy to give. As shit as Andy Davies is, I thought we were on the right side of his decisions yesterday, he must hate Huddersfield more than us! Yes, felt the same about Davies yesterday. One of the Linos seemed to suffering from the wet and wind to the extent that he was struggling to raise his arm! He infuriated the home fans with a couple of “offsides” he missed (hard to tell from our angle). He completely missed a ball going out of play and then blowing back in (our angle was perfect for that!). And second half his antagonism of the home fans reached the point where one guy raced to the front and was running up and down behind the lino in a fury - presumably letting him know what he thought! Hilarious! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 11 hours ago, TomThumb84 said: Gustav Engvall please and thanks. £2m. Brown envelope-tastic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 He's having quite the week Just won a potentially match winning penalty against Celtic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Yes, three points for Watkins v Aberdeen and then a cameo in the victory against Champions Celtic. Derek McInnes has now beaten Rangers and Celtic twice this season. That is Kilmarnock's first time beating Celtic twice in a season since they won the league in the early 1960s. Well done that man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: He's having quite the week Just won a potentially match winning penalty against Celtic They didn’t get a penalty.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67603857 Assist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red from afar Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 10 hours ago, italian dave said: Yes, felt the same about Davies yesterday. One of the Linos seemed to suffering from the wet and wind to the extent that he was struggling to raise his arm! He infuriated the home fans with a couple of “offsides” he missed (hard to tell from our angle). He completely missed a ball going out of play and then blowing back in (our angle was perfect for that!). And second half his antagonism of the home fans reached the point where one guy raced to the front and was running up and down behind the lino in a fury - presumably letting him know what he thought! Hilarious! He wasn't even watching when the ball went out of play for what should have been the throw in, just staring across the offside line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 42 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: They didn’t get a penalty.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67603857 Assist? How weird, I'm sure that's what I heard on 5 Live! Maybe the commentator got confused with Donnelly who'd come on for Watkins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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