Still early days

[spudski]

1 hour ago, Cov 77 said:

7 points actually off relegation spot and 7 points off the play offs ( our more realistic target we are told ) 

We'd royally **** it up if we ever got to the play offs again imo. 

[Silvio Dante]

2 minutes ago, KingHillRed said:

But we have ripped it up

So what are the options:

 - Get behind new gaff and see positives over negatives

 - Moan about the shoulda/coulda/woulda

I personally opt for the former

I'm not a championship manager but I also understand these boys are not robots 

And therein is your contradiction.

You rightly say these boys aren’t robots, but then also make excuses for Manning trying to directly impose a style immediately (and in his words overloading them) when they may not suit or even understand what he wants them to do.

If he understands they’re not robots, then he should also understand they can’t implement pages 216-274 of the big book of coaching and he might need to adapt his style. Every other coach that has been a success does that, and not all of them had the platform of a side flirting with the playoffs when they took over.

[Alessandro]

1 minute ago, KingHillRed said:

But we have ripped it up

So what are the options:

 - Get behind new gaff and see positives over negatives

 - Moan about the shoulda/coulda/woulda

I personally opt for the former

I'm not a championship manager but I also understand these boys are not robots 

Do you know what - I’m sick of this kind of reply. 

Lemming ‘it is what it is’ attitude.

Sorry not for me anymore. Not after years of the same mistakes made by the Lansdowns - constantly going around in circles. I supported them for years but they’ve lost me.

We as fans have a voice and I intend to use it - not just fall in line ‘because’.

Why? Because I aspire for so much for this club. 
 

[W-S-M Seagull]

6 minutes ago, KingHillRed said:

But we have ripped it up

So what are the options:

 - Get behind new gaff and see positives over negatives

 - Moan about the shoulda/coulda/woulda

I personally opt for the former

I'm not a championship manager but I also understand these boys are not robots 

Manning is a 'Championship' manager and he doesn't understand that these boys are not robots. Hence his comments that he thinks he may have overloaded them with information. 

[RollsRoyce]

Manning was brought in to take the current squad closer to a promotion finish. Not in 2 years, not after 4 transfer windows, this season. It is exactly the same principle as when you change the coach/manager to avoid relegation. You cannot talk about the early days. It is now. So yes, he has to be judged by the here and now. Steve Cooper managed it at Notts F did he not? That we have decided to bring in a coach that plays a type of football alien to the club, and that includes youth team to the first team, is an error that can have fatal consequences. This was meant to be about making a push with the existing squad now. This season. What we are seeing is a deterioration in performances, as players are unable, in transition, learning, wherever each individual may be on that journey to adapt.

This is a whole club rebuild, we are not playing the football Tinnion described in his in-house interview (so he knew the questions) , where we play the same way from youth to first team. Forget the nonsense of "front foot football", we are now heading in a Man City (to give a topline example) and not a Liverpool direction. These are not small changes, they are fundamentals. This is yet another example of where the club has flip-flopped from one approach to another. We are certainly not following any of the Brentford/Luton examples cited in the past. Because you need to be consistent. For years. 

Manning will need to learn fast, he looks like a crossbreed of O'Driscol and Lee J , but all top managers, well he is a coach, not a manager, will tell you that you need to maximise your resources and adapt to them.

Performances are good? Not sure what games some are watching, but you are clutching at straws. Our defence has reverted to the error-strewn version of 2/3 years ago, which was sorted out by great coaching and player management, and is now looking like a fishing net full of holes. We may create a few more attacking options, but for the most part it has turned AG into a morgue. 

Manning needs to start finding solutions and fast. His remit was top 6 and a promotion push not a relegation battle or 4 transfer windows to deliver. He is not getting the best out of this squad, it is a limited squad of course, but it should be in the mix with the other 10 teams chasing that 5/6 th spot. At the moment, if results do not improve, we are looking at the bottom 6, not the top 6. The team is still in that mid-table mass of teams, so all is not lost, but it needs to start pointing in the right direction very soon. 

Manning has to deliver, and the continued creation of excuses for him is unacceptable. He was hired to deliver a result, and there are clear club-created communications on this, not fan-generated. How some are now wanting to play that down is ridiculous. What, were they joking? I doubt the ability of those at the club, but we are regressing, not progressing. Manning was meant to boost the team, results and performances and thus far has failed to do that. 

Swansea was the club for Manning. 

[AshtonGreat]

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

And therein is your contradiction.

You rightly say these boys aren’t robots, but then also make excuses for Manning trying to directly impose a style immediately (and in his words overloading them) when they may not suit or even understand what he wants them to do.

If he understands they’re not robots, then he should also understand they can’t implement pages 216-274 of the big book of coaching and he might need to adapt his style. Every other coach that has been a success does that, and not all of them had the platform of a side flirting with the playoffs when they took over.

Flirting with the play-offs is a bit of a stretch

[Silvio Dante]

Just now, AshtonGreat said:

Flirting with the play-offs is a bit of a stretch

4 points off the playoffs on taking charge and in 10th place is definitely flirting. It’s not full on rubbing your backside against a crotch but it’s definitely giving the eye from across the room. Wouldn’t be a guarantee it would come to anything, but it is 100% flirting.

[Red-Robbo]

If he could just cut down the unnecesaary and counter-productive substitutions we'd give ourselves a much better chabce of winning games. 

[BigAl&Toby]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

No, they haven’t imho.

They have been mixed.

FWIW I see what he is trying to implement too, but I also see what he is breaking in the process.

Indeed.

Results have been poor. It’s a results game.

Performance counts for very little if you ain’t winning and putting points on the board.

I see what he’s doing too. But the thing is we’ve not got the players to do that. And apart from a few odd matches or runs we’ve not had a good enough squad for many years.

The thing that really ***** me off is how Lansdown has had us over. Time and time again.

And many know now thoughts on his reason for his investment. He doesn’t give a flying **** about BCFC. Never has, never will.

His dabbling has simply been about a business venture. An investment. Partly In freeholds, partly in a revenue stream.

FWIW I was there when the ****** said - many years ago.

And as for that *** Tinnion. He can join the Lansdown’s when the time comes.

It’s not just Manning that’s out of his depth. The lot of them are.

[AshtonGreat]

5 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

4 points off the playoffs on taking charge and in 10th place is definitely flirting. It’s not full on rubbing your backside against a crotch but it’s definitely giving the eye from across the room. Wouldn’t be a guarantee it would come to anything, but it is 100% flirting.

With less than a third of the season played though...?

[KingHillRed]

Maybe I was too aggressive in my points, but all I am saying is that the whole process needs some time - I guess I feel bad for LM, he looked deflated

I agree that he shouldn't get years in time, but not 6 games either

Football can turn on a dime and this is the sport we all know and love

 

 

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

Funny how several have appeared in the last 24 hours.

And all of the original one's that joined just before NP going are no longer around. They just wheel them out to sign up new accounts when they need them.

[Silvio Dante]

Just now, AshtonGreat said:

With less than a third of the season played though...?

Have you never pulled at 7pm and not had to continue to the clubs? 
 

It was 15 games in. That’s near as damnit a third. I’m not saying we’d have made the playoffs - I’m saying if you offered most managers a side 4 points off the playoffs after 1/3 of the season it’d be considered in most cases a good platform for a possible push. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

17 minutes ago, spudski said:

We'd royally **** it up if we ever got to the play offs again imo. 

Let's be honest, top 2 is borderline nailed down with Parachute clubs albeit Ipswich are currently doing something remarkable.

Ipswich have very much avoided injuries, something fairly remarkable.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, bexhill reds said:

Brand new account, we are arguing with either a Bristol Sport employee or a troll.

Block and not worth the time and effort of a reasoned or sensible argument, you can’t debate an agenda. There’s a few accounts like this on the forum at present. All with much the same type of post.

 

I don’t care about their origins, or reasons for joining.  But if you ignore, then their views become unchallenged and become “fact”.

Its about opinions on here in the main, and if I agree or disagree I feel it’s worth posting.

There are a few exceptions, the obvious trolls for example.

37 minutes ago, KingHillRed said:

I think a lot of us had our minds made up on LM from day one

Are footballers and football managers just robots these days that have to instantly a) understand and b) adapt at the drop of a hat

Maybe that is the expectation from us fans, but the reality is there is a "human" element to all of this

Whether or not we like it, you have to give time to a manager and the players to be able to execute a style of play - especially if, seemingly, training is not playing out in games

What should happen - give a manager 6 games and expect Pep style tiki taka

I think it’s easy to throw that out there.  I think if you’ve been reading ahead of joining, most actually sympathise with the situation LM has come into, and it’s the hierarchy most are annoyed with.

But now having seen 6 games there are pros and cons to discuss, and they are valid to discuss too.  That’s reflection, not pre-judgement, nor final judgement either.  Saying it’s gonna get better with no evidence is no better is it?

24 minutes ago, KingHillRed said:

But we have ripped it up

So what are the options:

 - Get behind new gaff and see positives over negatives

 - Moan about the shoulda/coulda/woulda

I personally opt for the former

I'm not a championship manager but I also understand these boys are not robots 

Why has it been ripped up (if indeed it has)?

As above those that are moaning (and it’s not all) are moaning about their observations, just like some are praising what they’ve seen.

I’m not sure the relevance of “robots”

18 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

And therein is your contradiction.

You rightly say these boys aren’t robots, but then also make excuses for Manning trying to directly impose a style immediately (and in his words overloading them) when they may not suit or even understand what he wants them to do.

If he understands they’re not robots, then he should also understand they can’t implement pages 216-274 of the big book of coaching and he might need to adapt his style. Every other coach that has been a success does that, and not all of them had the platform of a side flirting with the playoffs when they took over.

I think that is the bit that keeps getting forgotten.  This was a solid team that the hierarchy thought needed coaching to kick-on.  This wasn’t a club needing quick-jerk change.  It was in 11th place with equal wins and losses.

By adopting LM’s (in KingHillRed’s opinion) “only way” he’s missing the opportunity to evaluate what is here, what works, what doesn’t, what can be done with what he’s got, what he can’t, etc.. by jumping straight in, he’s missed that golden opportunity!

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

Have you never pulled at 7pm and not had to continue to the clubs? 
 

It was 15 games in. That’s near as damnit a third. I’m not saying we’d have made the playoffs - I’m saying if you offered most managers a side 4 points off the playoffs after 1/3 of the season it’d be considered in most cases a good platform for a possible push. 

Haha - my mate used to say a similar thing - do you get the 11 o/c girl or the 2am one!

[Galley is our king]

2 hours ago, KingHillRed said:

I'm confused - wouldn't you expect an element of 'breaking' old systems in favour of new ones if trying to adapt a new style

I think everyone thinks we were Real Madrid before Nige left - we weren't and performances were stale for a while

New ideas, new tactics, new learning approach - it is normal to take time isn't it?

And you joined 3 hours ago.....

[W-S-M Seagull]

29 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

Manning was brought in to take the current squad closer to a promotion finish. Not in 2 years, not after 4 transfer windows, this season. It is exactly the same principle as when you change the coach/manager to avoid relegation. You cannot talk about the early days. It is now. So yes, he has to be judged by the here and now. Steve Cooper managed it at Notts F did he not? That we have decided to bring in a coach that plays a type of football alien to the club, and that includes youth team to the first team, is an error that can have fatal consequences. This was meant to be about making a push with the existing squad now. This season. What we are seeing is a deterioration in performances, as players are unable, in transition, learning, wherever each individual may be on that journey to adapt.

This is a whole club rebuild, we are not playing the football Tinnion described in his in-house interview (so he knew the questions) , where we play the same way from youth to first team. Forget the nonsense of "front foot football", we are now heading in a Man City (to give a topline example) and not a Liverpool direction. These are not small changes, they are fundamentals. This is yet another example of where the club has flip-flopped from one approach to another. We are certainly not following any of the Brentford/Luton examples cited in the past. Because you need to be consistent. For years. 

Manning will need to learn fast, he looks like a crossbreed of O'Driscol and Lee J , but all top managers, well he is a coach, not a manager, will tell you that you need to maximise your resources and adapt to them.

Performances are good? Not sure what games some are watching, but you are clutching at straws. Our defence has reverted to the error-strewn version of 2/3 years ago, which was sorted out by great coaching and player management, and is now looking like a fishing net full of holes. We may create a few more attacking options, but for the most part it has turned AG into a morgue. 

Manning needs to start finding solutions and fast. His remit was top 6 and a promotion push not a relegation battle or 4 transfer windows to deliver. He is not getting the best out of this squad, it is a limited squad of course, but it should be in the mix with the other 10 teams chasing that 5/6 th spot. At the moment, if results do not improve, we are looking at the bottom 6, not the top 6. The team is still in that mid-table mass of teams, so all is not lost, but it needs to start pointing in the right direction very soon. 

Manning has to deliver, and the continued creation of excuses for him is unacceptable. He was hired to deliver a result, and there are clear club-created communications on this, not fan-generated. How some are now wanting to play that down is ridiculous. What, were they joking? I doubt the ability of those at the club, but we are regressing, not progressing. Manning was meant to boost the team, results and performances and thus far has failed to do that. 

Swansea was the club for Manning. 

Probably the best ever post I've ever read on here

[REDOXO]

3 hours ago, BCFCGav said:

I think 90% of frustrated fans aren't frustrated with Manning. They're frustrated that for the first time in years we were looking up the table, the Lansdown's inexplicably decided that was the time for a change, and now we're back to looking over our shoulder. We've wasted many years as is, but never by actively choosing to do so.

Exactly. All this give him time rubbish. We gave Pearson time and he got out of FFP issues brought through our youngsters sold two of them for a combined total in excess of 37 million made us competitive, stopped us from conceding from dead balls and had us to a point where we would be challenging if some of the nest egg was available to him….but what does Lansdown jnr and Tinnion do….Press the destruct button and bring in a new guy who has never managed at this level, never had real money to spend and give the money to him as our players aren’t what is required to play the only way he wants to play. 
 

You could not make this up anywhere EXCEPT BRISTOL ******* CITY!!

Junior needs to bugger off back to his yacht and resign the Chairmanship The new Chairman needs to fire Tinnion. Then maybe explain why the previous administration really fired The Previous Chief Exec after three months and fire Nigel Pearson.
 

Now then I’ll give it time!

[Galley is our king]

47 minutes ago, KingHillRed said:

I've been a fan since early 90's Natch - happy to converse on anything City

Anyone new with a an opinion that differs from the masses is shot down - I get it - but it isn't fair

Get back to work, oh sorry I forgot, this is work isn't it eh? Being paid by Bristol Sport and all....

[Silvio Dante]

5 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Now then I’ll give it time!

Alright Jimmy, calm down…

[GrahamC]

38 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

If he could just cut down the unnecesaary and counter-productive substitutions we'd give ourselves a much better chabce of winning games. 

Yep.

At the moment he is running on 15 players & that’s obviously tough but he appears to believe that he needs to manage the pitch time of Sykes & Knight as a result.

He needs to choose when to hold & when to fold, if a game has gone (say we’re 3-0 down) there’s your time to give them a break.

Stick to a formation, minimise the number of changes to the starting XI & try & pick up some points before the transfer window opens.

 

[Major Isewater]

1 hour ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Early days it may well be, but our next league games are tough, very tough.

Sunderland (H), Hull (H), Watford (A), Brum (A), Millwall (H), Preston (A), Watford (H), Cov (A)

That's Dec/Jan. In Feb we play Leeds, Boro and Southampton (and SW/QPR)

We need results, basically.

Every game in this division is tough even  weak teams can create problems. 
I one hundred percent agree with your last sentence. Confidence is huge in this sport and if we keep getting beaten the players will lose it in themselves and the coaches. 
 

[headhunter]

1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said:

Excellent post

The Highlighted para is such a good point and was discussed excellently on the FBC Podcast this morning @headhunter 

Thank you so much.

Here is a link to the You Tube version for the non-podcast fraternity:

 

[KingHillRed]

40 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Get back to work, oh sorry I forgot, this is work isn't it eh? Being paid by Bristol Sport and all....

Wish I was let me tell ya 

[W-S-M Seagull]

15 minutes ago, KingHillRed said:

Wish I was let me tell ya 

There's a Kingshill in Nailsea, Brian Tinnion lives in Nailsea doesn't he? Small world. 

[KingHillRed]

3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

There's a Kingshill in Nailsea, Brian Tinnion lives in Nailsea doesn't he? Small world. 

Cheers Clouseau

[noize]

How long can we say "it's early days" before we have to start saying "do we think we will come straight back up?". It's like someone else mentioned, it's results that matter, and points. Don't feel it was the best time for a full renovation project as now we are in free fall.

My whole life Bristol City have been a bit of a joke team to everyone around me as they all support premier league teams, be nice in my lifetime if just for a while that wasn't the case.

It's getting to the point that if someone from another area asks me "which is the best team in Bristol"....not sure how to answer that question anymore, maybe "one of them has a better stadium"

[Ivorguy]

5 hours ago, Monkeh said:

The openly critical comment on commentary from 2 senior players tells us the dressing room aren't backing him 

Precisely.  If two senior players are so open then the rest will follow.  It seems to me that Naismith is a leader among men

Expect fireworks soon 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Ivorguy

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Yep.

At the moment he is running on 15 players & that’s obviously tough but he appears to believe that he needs to manage the pitch time of Sykes & Knight as a result.

He needs to choose when to hold & when to fold, if a game has gone (say we’re 3-0 down) there’s your time to give them a break.

Stick to a formation, minimise the number of changes to the starting XI & try & pick up some points before the transfer window opens.

 

If you’re gonna rotate, actually rotate.  Don’t leave TGH on the bench for both games.  Thought he’d learned enough about TGH from game 1 and 2.

[KingHillRed]

9 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Precisely.  If two senior players are so open then the rest will follow.  It seems to me that Naismith is a leader among men

Expect fireworks soon 

It didn't sound that way to me 

I thought the way Nakhi put his point across was more along the lines of - I know the gaffer wouldn't have asked Max to hump it long so why are we

More along players not being brave enough to take responsibility

[Ivorguy]

Just now, KingHillRed said:

It didn't sound that way to me 

I thought the way Nakhi put his point across was more along the lines of - I know the gaffer wouldn't have asked Max to hump it long so why are we

More along players not being brave enough to take responsibility

We will see what we see, but the blue touch paper is alight, imo.

[Davefevs]

5 minutes ago, KingHillRed said:

It didn't sound that way to me 

I thought the way Nakhi put his point across was more along the lines of - I know the gaffer wouldn't have asked Max to hump it long so why are we

Agree.  Kal pretty scathing though.

More along players not being brave enough to take responsibility

But why not?

[GrahamC]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

If you’re gonna rotate, actually rotate.  Don’t leave TGH on the bench for both games.  Thought he’d learned enough about TGH from game 1 and 2.

I deliberately left the TGH business out of my reply because I cannot fathom it.

I’ve said already I am not as big a fan as some on here but overall think he’s done ok & on balance would be ahead of Williams.

He appears not to be convinced by him leading to speculation as to whether he might want to spend the money elsewhere but who knows?

He appears to have gone with Williams again last night (when he wasn’t great) on the basis of his performance at Huddersfield. 

Won’t be remotely shocked if TGH starts & Williams is on the bench for Saturday.
 

[KingHillRed]

1 hour ago, headhunter said:

Thank you so much.

Here is a link to the You Tube version for the non-podcast fraternity:

 

Just watched the whole thing for the first time and have to say I thoroughly enjoyed it

Some well reasoned points and much better delivered than I have on here this morning

Fair play boys - is that Ian Gay the bloke who rants on Twitter :laugh:

[Davefevs]

19 minutes ago, KingHillRed said:

Just watched the whole thing for the first time and have to say I thoroughly enjoyed it

Some well reasoned points and much better delivered than I have on here this morning

Fair play boys - is that Ian Gay the bloke who rants on Twitter

That bloke in the bottom right corner made some very good points!

[headhunter]

17 minutes ago, KingHillRed said:

Just watched the whole thing for the first time and have to say I thoroughly enjoyed it

Some well reasoned points and much better delivered than I have on here this morning

Fair play boys - is that Ian Gay the bloke who rants on Twitter

It certainly is and drew the comment from another You Tube watcher who described him as a "spouting hobbit"

[KingHillRed]

7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That bloke in the bottom right corner made some very good points!

Agreed - I thought there was a good point you made about an "evaluation" period

That is where I was trying to go with my poorly reasoned argument earlier

We'll see what happens I guess, I'll be there Saturday and hope to see a performance with perhaps more clarity

I really hope the boo boys aren't out in force, especially directed at players/gaffer 

[Gert Mare]

Just some observations…..Agree with the fact that LM’s remit is to push the team on towards promotion THIS season. 

We’ve played well in spells, but I think that’s as much to do with the opposition rather than tactical nouse.

I think our defence has been overly exposed and teams have cut through us like a knife through butter on several occasions.

We haven’t moved the ball quick enough and we’ve sacrificed chances to create opportunities by opting to regroup and knock the ball around the back line.

We no longer appear difficult to break down. 

We had witnessed a squad capable of staying the pace until the 90+ minutes and fitness / work rate wasn’t in question. Now we’re seeing some of our most creative players like Knight / Sykes being pulled after 60 minutes. Sykes in particular is one of very few players who is a consistent goal threat. Seems inexplicable to me that he in particular is regularly being sacrificed? 

I’m starting to feel like there is almost an air of desperation creeping in already.

I’m like a number of frustrated supporters who was absolutely pro Nige and am extremely angry at JL, SL and BT. I hope LM can turn things around for his sake because he’s been sold an absolute fantasy by the deluded board and so be it if LM ends up as collateral damage but it won’t prevent my fury at the clueless clowns when this season falls apart.

We were ready to start giving Nige some decent money to transition us from a counter attacking team into a pressing team, full of belief and some real quality additions and instead JL shot us in the head.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Gert Mare

[Robbored]

4 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

GJ didn't outstay his welcome afaic, several non trying mutinous players should have been booted out of the club rather than him leaving.

As for LJ, he should never have been welcomed in the first place.

That’s not what actually happened Nogbad but that’s old history these days but you’re right about a junior aJohnson tho.

He shouldn’t have been anywhere near club. Shit player and shit manager.

[Silvio Dante]

57 minutes ago, headhunter said:

It certainly is and drew the comment from another You Tube watcher who described him as a "spouting hobbit"

It’s noticeable that you all have your names in what I’d call a “polite” font of upper case/lower case (I.e. Dave Fevs), with the exception of one man: - IAN

What that tells you about him I don’t know

[KingHillRed]

35 minutes ago, Robbored said:

That’s not what actually happened Nogbad but that’s old history these days but you’re right about a junior aJohnson tho.

He shouldn’t have been anywhere near club. Shit player and shit manager.

Cracking away day up the Etihad mind - 1 nil half time I thought we were world beaters

[Bodiesaffer]

6 hours ago, KingHillRed said:

I'm confused - wouldn't you expect an element of 'breaking' old systems in favour of new ones if trying to adapt a new style

I think everyone thinks we were Real Madrid before Nige left - we weren't and performances were stale for a while

New ideas, new tactics, new learning approach - it is normal to take time isn't it?

No we are definitely not Real.  However, NP had a system that had us competing in games.  LM needed to keep that system and slowly add his own style.  Not rip the ass out of it.  I would of kept it the same until the of the season.  

Edited December 13, 2023 by Bodiesaffer

[REDOXO]

2 hours ago, Ivorguy said:

Precisely.  If two senior players are so open then the rest will follow.  It seems to me that Naismith is a leader among men

Expect fireworks soon 

 

2 hours ago, Ivorguy said:

We will see what we see, but the blue touch paper is alight, imo.

That’s the way I see it!!

[Sheltons Army]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

That bloke in the bottom right corner made some very good points!

The bloke with the beard ?

Had a Jon Lansdown look to me

 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said:

The bloke with the beard ?

Had a Jon Lansdown look to me

 

My dad said I was a lazy layabout and need to get a proper job!

[1960maaan]

41 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

My dad said I was a lazy layabout and need to get a proper job!

I always feel sorry for Mark trying to get a word in .

What with that and being covered by a huge City logo  

[KingHillRed]

11 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I always feel sorry for Mark trying to get a word in .

What with that and being covered by a huge City logo  

Think he started to sprout cobwebs about halfway through

[BCFC31]

11 hours ago, Charlie BCFC said:

Bang on, despite the results not being ideal. Performances for the most part have been good and you can see what he’s trying to implement, some people need to realise you can be angry at the Pearson sacking and give Manning time to prove himself

I dont think this has anything to do with pearsons sacking and more to do with what the board and tinion are doing.

Edited December 13, 2023 by BCFC31

[E.G.Red]

4 hours ago, Robbored said:

That’s not what actually happened Nogbad but that’s old history these days but you’re right about a junior aJohnson tho.

He shouldn’t have been anywhere near club. Shit player and shit manager.

He did at least bring Tammy to the club & without whom we would probably gave been relegated

[mozo]

8 hours ago, RollsRoyce said:

Manning was brought in to take the current squad closer to a promotion finish. Not in 2 years, not after 4 transfer windows, this season. It is exactly the same principle as when you change the coach/manager to avoid relegation. You cannot talk about the early days. It is now. So yes, he has to be judged by the here and now. Steve Cooper managed it at Notts F did he not? That we have decided to bring in a coach that plays a type of football alien to the club, and that includes youth team to the first team, is an error that can have fatal consequences. This was meant to be about making a push with the existing squad now. This season. What we are seeing is a deterioration in performances, as players are unable, in transition, learning, wherever each individual may be on that journey to adapt.

This is a whole club rebuild, we are not playing the football Tinnion described in his in-house interview (so he knew the questions) , where we play the same way from youth to first team. Forget the nonsense of "front foot football", we are now heading in a Man City (to give a topline example) and not a Liverpool direction. These are not small changes, they are fundamentals. This is yet another example of where the club has flip-flopped from one approach to another. We are certainly not following any of the Brentford/Luton examples cited in the past. Because you need to be consistent. For years. 

Manning will need to learn fast, he looks like a crossbreed of O'Driscol and Lee J , but all top managers, well he is a coach, not a manager, will tell you that you need to maximise your resources and adapt to them.

Performances are good? Not sure what games some are watching, but you are clutching at straws. Our defence has reverted to the error-strewn version of 2/3 years ago, which was sorted out by great coaching and player management, and is now looking like a fishing net full of holes. We may create a few more attacking options, but for the most part it has turned AG into a morgue. 

Manning needs to start finding solutions and fast. His remit was top 6 and a promotion push not a relegation battle or 4 transfer windows to deliver. He is not getting the best out of this squad, it is a limited squad of course, but it should be in the mix with the other 10 teams chasing that 5/6 th spot. At the moment, if results do not improve, we are looking at the bottom 6, not the top 6. The team is still in that mid-table mass of teams, so all is not lost, but it needs to start pointing in the right direction very soon. 

Manning has to deliver, and the continued creation of excuses for him is unacceptable. He was hired to deliver a result, and there are clear club-created communications on this, not fan-generated. How some are now wanting to play that down is ridiculous. What, were they joking? I doubt the ability of those at the club, but we are regressing, not progressing. Manning was meant to boost the team, results and performances and thus far has failed to do that. 

Swansea was the club for Manning. 

 

5 hours ago, Gert Mare said:

Just some observations…..Agree with the fact that LM’s remit is to push the team on towards promotion THIS season. 

We’ve played well in spells, but I think that’s as much to do with the opposition rather than tactical nouse.

I think our defence has been overly exposed and teams have cut through us like a knife through butter on several occasions.

We haven’t moved the ball quick enough and we’ve sacrificed chances to create opportunities by opting to regroup and knock the ball around the back line.

We no longer appear difficult to break down. 

We had witnessed a squad capable of staying the pace until the 90+ minutes and fitness / work rate wasn’t in question. Now we’re seeing some of our most creative players like Knight / Sykes being pulled after 60 minutes. Sykes in particular is one of very few players who is a consistent goal threat. Seems inexplicable to me that he in particular is regularly being sacrificed? 

I’m starting to feel like there is almost an air of desperation creeping in already.

I’m like a number of frustrated supporters who was absolutely pro Nige and am extremely angry at JL, SL and BT. I hope LM can turn things around for his sake because he’s been sold an absolute fantasy by the deluded board and so be it if LM ends up as collateral damage but it won’t prevent my fury at the clueless clowns when this season falls apart.

We were ready to start giving Nige some decent money to transition us from a counter attacking team into a pressing team, full of belief and some real quality additions and instead JL shot us in the head.

It's not really LM's remit to get is in the playoffs, surely?! I know the board are mental, but even they don't believe that. It was just an excuse to sack Nige. We all know it was bollocks.