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4 minutes ago, westred1 said:

He’s so heavily involved it’s not a major surprise to see James rested.

Williams was good v Hull.

The combination of Williams/James never really worked as they’re very similar in their style. TGH is the obvious alternative with one of them dropping to the bench. Against Hull it was JW and today it’s James.

It took longer than I thought for Manning to realise that.

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italian dave

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

The combination of Williams/James never really worked as they’re very similar in their style. TGH is the obvious alternative with one of them dropping to the bench. Against Hull it was JW and today it’s James.

It took longer than I thought for Manning to realise that.

Perhaps we could speed the transition process up by your arranging weekly meetings with LM to keep him up to speed on these things. 😉😉

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There are always a few eager to write James off. It's been that way for ages. It's wearying. What are people watching?

I and others have said many times that you sometimes don't notice him that much when he's playing, but you bloody well  notice when he isn't. Still under-appreciated after his time with the club, and still a very, very good player.

There are games (though not many) when you could dispense with him, but there are many more when, frankly, you'd be screwed without him. Experience, leadership, composure, reading the game, retaining possession... The old cliche applies: be careful what you wish for.  

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8 hours ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

Do you remember the joke shop there? Selling many practical joke items. Great place for fun.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry to ruin your memories. The bloke that ran it was convicted of child sex offences that spanned 30-odd years, he was jailed for a long time along with another well-known Bristol face Sapphire, a shame as I have fond memories of the place as well. 

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1 minute ago, pillred said:

Sorry to ruin your memories. The bloke that ran it was convicted of child sex offences that spanned 30-odd years, he was jailed for a long time along with another well-known Bristol face Saphire, a shame as I have fond memories of the place as well. 

Never knew that TBH

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1 minute ago, CliftonCliff said:

There are always a few eager to write James off. It's been that way for ages. It's wearying. What are people watching?

I and others have said many times that you sometimes don't notice him that much when he's playing, but you bloody well  notice when he isn't. Still under-appreciated after his time with the club, and still a very, very good player.

There are games (though not many) when you could dispense with him, but there are many more when, frankly, you'd be screwed without him. Experience, leadership, composure, reading the game, retaining possession... The old cliche applies: be careful what you wish for.  

Very true Cliff - the same criticism of Cole Skuse was prevalent largely because they couldn’t see what a solid role he played.

it’s the same with James. 

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20 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

James dropping to the bench could be due to light injury or was one affected by the bug the other day or big decision, but thought Williams was good when he came on. It is a squad game particularly over Xmas.

It's not Matty, it's Joseph James on the bench

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21 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

James dropping to the bench could be due to light injury or was one affected by the bug the other day or big decision, but thought Williams was good when he came on. It is a squad game particularly over Xmas.

He isn't on the bench

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12 minutes ago, Malago said:

I see Williams for James as no more than rotation.  Expect to see James back in the team on Friday.

We said this before about James, but he is still a class player. Most likely can't do twice a week every week anymore,  but he is still key. He gets written off, then he does a 'millwall' and then he is cream of the crop... 

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17 minutes ago, Robbored said:

The combination of Williams/James never really worked as they’re very similar in their style. TGH is the obvious alternative with one of them dropping to the bench. Against Hull it was JW and today it’s James.

It took longer than I thought for Manning to realise that.

How are Williams & James similar in style. Complete opposites 

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23 minutes ago, Robbored said:

The combination of Williams/James never really worked as they’re very similar in their style. TGH is the obvious alternative with one of them dropping to the bench. Against Hull it was JW and today it’s James.

It took longer than I thought for Manning to realise that.

I see them as very different styles.

17 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said:

There are always a few eager to write James off. It's been that way for ages. It's wearying. What are people watching?

I and others have said many times that you sometimes don't notice him that much when he's playing, but you bloody well  notice when he isn't. Still under-appreciated after his time with the club, and still a very, very good player.

There are games (though not many) when you could dispense with him, but there are many more when, frankly, you'd be screwed without him. Experience, leadership, composure, reading the game, retaining possession... The old cliche applies: be careful what you wish for.  

Yep, he has been an important cog in the  team. Every team needs one. I accept he’s not in his youth but we need to be mindful as we transition away from players like Matty James. 

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12 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

I know what you’re saying here. Hes one of those players that quietly goes about his role, without any bell and whistles. 
 

People will laugh at this, but I don’t care. I think Cole Skuse is one of our most underrated players in the last decade. 

When Mick McCarthy had him at Ipswich, he said more than once that Skuse was the first name on the team sheet, and big Mick had been around a long time and was no mug.

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15 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

How are Williams & James similar in style. Complete opposites 

I was going to add that to my previous comment but decided I'd be wasting my time... You are right, though. Joe at his best, all action, energetic, aggressive, ball-winning, etc. James, deep lying, measured, steady, calm, anchoring the midfield. Very little similarity. 

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13 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I see them as very different styles.

Yep, he has been an important cog in the  team. Every team needs one. I accept he’s not in his youth but we need to be mindful as we transition away from players like Matty James. 

It there is difference it’s that Williams is more combative and wins more ball than James but that apart they both sit comfortably in midfield - two solid players that are hard work to play against but neither are particularly creative whereas TGH provides more ‘flair’.

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