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7 in 20 this season, and I think he’ll admit himself he’s had some off games. If he’s going a little under 1 in 2, and that’s him ‘off’… yea I’d probably keep our hands on this one! 
 

21 years old and 20 City goals to his name by the way!

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4 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

7 in 20 this season, and I think he’ll admit himself he’s had some off games. If he’s going a little under 1 in 2, and that’s him ‘off’… yea I’d probably keep our hands on this one! 
 

21 years old and 20 City goals to his name by the way!

7 goals 

1214 mins

14 starts / 6 subs

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4 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

7 in 20 this season, and I think he’ll admit himself he’s had some off games. If he’s going a little under 1 in 2, and that’s him ‘off’… yea I’d probably keep our hands on this one! 
 

21 years old and 20 City goals to his name by the way!

He’s played the equivalent of 12 matches in total minutes so more like 7 in 12 

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33 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

He's a goalscorer. Create things for him and he'll score goals, it's not complicated.

It’s not is it!

In those kind of positions like today he is our best finisher since Shaun Goater!

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Unless you are playing for a Top 3 club, not that many players actually score 20+ league goals a season in the Championship. 

If he was playing up front for Leicester, he’d score a bucket load. 

Let’s not forget he’s suffered a couple bad injuries which has hindered his progress a little bit too. 
 

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Great for him to finally score his first non-penalty goal for a fair while. Hopefully help him kick on. Still need to find a way to get the best out of him, and get him on the ball far more often, if we are to persist with this system. 

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4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

5 goals in his last 11 appearances and scoring against good teams too: West Ham, and teams in and around the play-offs in Boro, Hull and Sunderland. 

Not that it will matter in the stats at season end (and they still need to be put away) but it’s notable that the goals against all three of those teams were from the spot. It could equally be spun as two goals in open play in the last 12 which would look far less impressive.

(NB for avoidance of doubt I think the suggestion to cash in was mental and Tommy is a more than good enough striker at this level with capacity to develop still further)

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The question with TC isn't 'is he good enough', it's more like 'are we good enough'. What can we do to convince him to sign a contract? Sign a couple of 'top 6 side' players this window/next window? Do we need to progress to a solid top 10 side this season? We need to show him that he won't lose out if he stays with us.

Whatever happens I don't see us going past the Summer window with this unresolved.

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On 02/01/2024 at 10:00, OneTeamInBristol said:

If we cashed in on Conway now we'd get a few hundred k.

Miles away from a consistent Championship goal scorer currently but not all his fault.

This has not aged particularly well…

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What a guy. In the era of media trained and/or thick footballers, it’s nice to see a funny, natural lad getting caught up in the emotion. That interviewer pisses all over Dave Barton.

What impressed me today was he worked bloody hard and battled well against some big, strong, centre backs.

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29 minutes ago, Henry said:

What impressed me today was he worked bloody hard and battled well against some big, strong, centre back

Totally agree. Thought previously he’s been weak, off the pace, not looking full fit. Against Zouma who is a very good player he really held his own. Hopefully kicks on now!

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28 minutes ago, OneTeamInBristol said:

Ah yes because one more goal in the FA Cup has turned him into a £15mil player. 

That’s changed my mind, definitely cash in now. 

Great goal though wasn't it? Perfect position for a striker to take the ball, and a brilliant touch. Also a laser like finish.

A few hundred grand 🤣 Embarrassing

I reckon that will do Tommy the world of good

 

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7 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Great goal though wasn't it? Perfect position for a striker to take the ball, and a brilliant touch. Also a laser like finish.

A few hundred grand 🤣 Embarrassing

I reckon that will do Tommy the world of good

 

Yes it was a good finish although would have been disappointed if he’d fluffed it like he has with a couple one on one’s this season. 

But as I said earlier he has a long way to go before any clubs would be offering the sort of money that we should ‘cash in’ for. 

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I think the kid can finish but playing on his own up top isn’t helping him , he needs to play off another forward , he was on fire with well’s earlier but on his own gets found out , but yesterday could be his kicking on point 

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On 07/01/2024 at 20:34, BCFCGav said:

@Dullmoan Tone why the head in hands reaction?

Sorry for the delay.

He has 7 in 20. 2 are pens and while I accept they need scoring, they flatter his form which is perhaps 12 from open play a season currently. If we are serious about promotion we need someone much more prolific, rather than giving him more minutes (if he is not signing an extension)until we sell for a slightly higher profit to offset the losses already made.

We must change our mindset - I want him to succeed but at home he hasn’t been able to lead the line and far too often is moved off the ball by bigger and more experienced defenders.

I just wish we could not yo yo on players based on their last game. Hence the facepalm!

 

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On 07/01/2024 at 19:11, Sleepy1968 said:

The question with TC isn't 'is he good enough', it's more like 'are we good enough'. What can we do to convince him to sign a contract? Sign a couple of 'top 6 side' players this window/next window? Do we need to progress to a solid top 10 side this season? We need to show him that he won't lose out if he stays with us.

Whatever happens I don't see us going past the Summer window with this unresolved.

Good shout.

Hes seen his mate move into the Prem with associated riches and whilst im sure he himself doesnt currently think hes comparable if he gets another 10 goals thus season someone bigger than City could well come in for him.

Dont see why hed commit longer with the current leadership shitshow tbh. Sign some proper players and he might be encouraged but im not optimistic on that front.

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9 minutes ago, Natchfever said:

Good shout.

Hes seen his mate move into the Prem with associated riches and whilst im sure he himself doesnt currently think hes comparable if he gets another 10 goals thus season someone bigger than City could well come in for him.

Dont see why hed commit longer with the current leadership shitshow tbh. Sign some proper players and he might be encouraged but im not optimistic on that front.

A slight silver lining….if he won’t sign, and does run his contract down….the more he scores the more demand and potentially more compo.

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59 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

A slight silver lining….if he won’t sign, and does run his contract down….the more he scores the more demand and potentially more compo.

What do you think a fully firing Tommys value would be with say 3 years contract versus compo after a good spell in front of goal?

If the gap is millions then maybe the club should speculate a bit, offer him very good terms AND make a few signings provided the club still projected a profit.

Cant actually see that happening mind..

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On 08/01/2024 at 08:40, Topper 123 said:

I think the kid can finish but playing on his own up top isn’t helping him , he needs to play off another forward , he was on fire with well’s earlier but on his own gets found out , but yesterday could be his kicking on point 

He was quite clear in the interview on 3peaps that he’s relishing the 1 up front and although it’s not what he’s used to it’s something he’s learning and enjoying.

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46 minutes ago, Natchfever said:

What do you think a fully firing Tommys value would be with say 3 years contract versus compo after a good spell in front of goal?

If the gap is millions then maybe the club should speculate a bit, offer him very good terms AND make a few signings provided the club still projected a profit.

Cant actually see that happening mind..

Pure guesswork - £10-12m this summer.  £2.5-3m compo if he was OOC this summer.  Something like that.

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1 hour ago, CityReds said:

He was quite clear in the interview on 3peaps that he’s relishing the 1 up front and although it’s not what he’s used to it’s something he’s learning and enjoying.

And if he has ambitions of playing at a higher level it's something he'll need to get used to, as most teams in the PL seem to play that way.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Pure guesswork - £10-12m this summer.  £2.5-3m compo if he was OOC this summer.  Something like that.

Thanks.

Would point towards spending cash to make more cash perhaps, accepting loss of form and injury risks of course.

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I'm genuinely surprised to see the views on Tommy on here. The issue isn't Tommy, the issue is we don't provide enough opportunities for a lone striker and haven't done for some time. 

Doesn't matter who we have in that role atm, you can only do so much when you have very little service. We've had Tommy, Bell, Wells and Cornick play that role, none of them look prolific and that's because they simply don't get the supply they need. I think we could take any striker and put them in this team as that central striker role and they'd struggle. 

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On 02/01/2024 at 13:40, Scrumpys Dietary Advisor.. said:

WE just need more of that single mindedness from Tommy which we know he has, and for us to get behind him, and he will be back in the news again in no time

Very perceptive, certainly back in the news.

That goal will have given him great confidence, a monkey off his back.

Go Tommy !

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31 minutes ago, Spike said:

I'm genuinely surprised to see the views on Tommy on here. The issue isn't Tommy, the issue is we don't provide enough opportunities for a lone striker and haven't done for some time. 

Doesn't matter who we have in that role atm, you can only do so much when you have very little service. We've had Tommy, Bell, Wells and Cornick play that role, none of them look prolific and that's because they simply don't get the supply they need. I think we could take any striker and put them in this team as that central striker role and they'd struggle. 

Joe Williams said as much in his post match interview regarding creating more chances for Tommy, so it’s clearly something that’s been discussed as a group. 

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5 hours ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Sorry for the delay.

He has 7 in 20. 2 are pens and while I accept they need scoring, they flatter his form which is perhaps 12 from open play a season currently. If we are serious about promotion we need someone much more prolific, rather than giving him more minutes (if he is not signing an extension)until we sell for a slightly higher profit to offset the losses already made.

We must change our mindset - I want him to succeed but at home he hasn’t been able to lead the line and far too often is moved off the ball by bigger and more experienced defenders.

I just wish we could not yo yo on players based on their last game. Hence the facepalm!

 

No apology necessary! 
 

I do disagree but that’s the beauty of a football forum. 1 in 2 is great form for a forward at almost any club, and while two are penalties, as you say they need putting away.

Agree he’s had some off games but to write him off from them is very premature imo. I don’t think I’ve yo yo’d on him, I’ve thought Wells should get some starts at times over TC (or with him) but I’ve always thought Tommy’s a very good young player, with the off games that come with that.

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On 07/01/2024 at 19:01, Mr Popodopolous said:

6 in the League plus today in the Cup despite a medium term injury this season.

Doing more than fine, can get better still.

Gyokeres at the same age as Tommy had barely scored any goals at all. 

He then had a loan spell at Swansea where he scored none. 

Scored 20 odd in the Championship last season and is now doing well in Portugal. 

I think people expecting a 21 year old striker to be the finished article is rather ludicrous. Young players will always have a bit of inconsistency about them. Although as you mention, Tommy has had his injuries. 

Conway has shown he had the talent to go far in the game. I think the Euros in the summer is a realistic goal for him and that motivation will only benefit us. 

Tommy is on course to score more than last season so thats progression for me. I think a fully fit Tommy Conway playing 46 games could very much achieve 15-20 goals. 

Yet despite this I've read crap that we should sell him for 500k etc 😂 

 

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I don't see anyway near as much of City as the rest of you but my hunch is that Tommy was maybe looking sharper (maybe others too up front) when we played more on the break and had less possession. If I was a striker, watching my mates pass the ball indefinitely in our own half, I think I would switch off. You want your strikers poised to run into space at every moment but they won't be making those runs if they don't get the passes.

The top teams keep the ball but can play a quick ball too when gaining possession. I think that is where LM is trying to get us to, we might need to be a bit more patient.

Happy to be told this is nonsense as it is based on a hunch from reading match reports on OTIB rather than hours of spectating!

Bottom line - keep Tommy!

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On 07/01/2024 at 17:43, Andy082005 said:

Just wanted to bump this thread to the top as even though it’s only the 6th January - I believe it should be contender for most ridiculous post of the year.

….and that’s with me posting on here to! 😄

Andy, with 11 months still to go,  I think you are suffering from premature speculation! :whistle:

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12 hours ago, BCFCGav said:

No apology necessary! 
 

I do disagree but that’s the beauty of a football forum. 1 in 2 is great form for a forward at almost any club, and while two are penalties, as you say they need putting away.

Agree he’s had some off games but to write him off from them is very premature imo. I don’t think I’ve yo yo’d on him, I’ve thought Wells should get some starts at times over TC (or with him) but I’ve always thought Tommy’s a very good young player, with the off games that come with that.

At the risk of dragging this out (despite agreeing with most of what you say) - I don't think he is anywhere near 1 in 2 (even with pens - which probably shouldn't count as a comparison with strikers who don't take them, or clubs that rarely get them!!). Bristol Live quoted the 7 in 20 yesterday (probably not the most reliable source though) So 5 in 20 exc pens as we have probably had our share for this calendar year.  Or 1 in 4, so 12 a league season. Surely we need better, I hope you are right that he can improve, but the strikers that go for the sort of sums being touted on otib tend to be hitting the net more regularly? For example Maynard was 1 in 2 before us, Tammy hit that sort of ratio with us etc

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1 hour ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

At the risk of dragging this out (despite agreeing with most of what you say) - I don't think he is anywhere near 1 in 2 (even with pens - which probably shouldn't count as a comparison with strikers who don't take them, or clubs that rarely get them!!). Bristol Live quoted the 7 in 20 yesterday (probably not the most reliable source though) So 5 in 20 exc pens as we have probably had our share for this calendar year.  Or 1 in 4, so 12 a league season. Surely we need better, I hope you are right that he can improve, but the strikers that go for the sort of sums being touted on otib tend to be hitting the net more regularly? For example Maynard was 1 in 2 before us, Tammy hit that sort of ratio with us etc

Well, the facts are facts. 🤷🏻‍♂️

7 goals in 1209 mins.  A goal every 173 mins….better than 1 in 2.

If you’re gonna ignore penalties, then he’s scored 4 in 1209 mins….just worse than 1 in 3.  That’s hardly terrible.

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And Bristol Post we’re 100% accurate too! 🤷🏻‍♂️

Maynard; a goal every 221 mins, including pens! 🤷🏻‍♂️

Abraham; a goal every 144 mins - stellar goalscoring, including pens! ✅

 

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Maynard was a year or 2 older than Conway for a start. Not altogether the same type of player were they.

He was not the same after his lengthy injury layoff, he lost something- still had it in fits and starts but not overall IMO. Missed a lot of 2010-11 due to said injury.

I digress, his attitude became problematic too- remember SL proclaiming we wouldn't sell him in summer 2011 unless we got fee £x which I can't remmeber without checking. He went in the January 2012 window for much less.

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According to the belter behind me on Sunday, Conway isn't a Championship Striker! Soon changed his mind when he scored. And then moaned when he was Subbed saying he was the best player on the pitch!. So in 60mins His worth rose by at least £20M. 

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