CityReds Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 A man amongst boys of course but https://www.instagram.com/reel/C141QZpiAX_/?igsh=d25sdXYxeXU0M2ht 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Twitter version: 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 21 minutes ago, CityReds said: A man amongst boys of course but https://www.instagram.com/reel/C141QZpiAX_/?igsh=d25sdXYxeXU0M2ht Boss Ross! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelton Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Quite a unit as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I like what I see. Any player that likes a tackle is fine by me. West ham won't like it though, pussies! 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: I like what I see. Any player that likes a tackle is fine by me. West ham won't like it though, pussies! Lots of injuries for the 'Ammers, with Mavrapanos, Paquetta, Bowen and Antonio missing the replay. Plus Kuddus and Aguerd on ACN duty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Curr Avon said: Lots of injuries for the 'Ammers, with Mavrapanos, Paquetta, Bowen and Antonio missing the replay. Plus Kuddus and Aguerd on ACN duty. Don’t play again in the meanwhile though, unlike us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I've said this before but I don't think we will realise how much we've missed him until he's back playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Don’t play again in the meanwhile though, unlike us. Seem a bit rubbish that Prem clubs are moaning about 3rd round replays because it interrupts their mid season break. They've still got 8 days between the two games where as we have to play. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 17 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: Lots of injuries for the 'Ammers, with Mavrapanos, Paquetta, Bowen and Antonio missing the replay. Plus Kuddus and Aguerd on ACN duty. All down to our 'thugs' and 'dirty tactics' according to their supporters. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post frenchred Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I've said this before but I don't think we will realise how much we've missed him until he's back playing. How on earth can you miss what you never had? 17 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Very excited to have Ross back to fitness. Looks a top player, and a massive upgrade on “pass backward” Tanner. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Yes he will do lots to add strength whether in defence or midfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post frenchred Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 33 minutes ago, Selred said: Very excited to have Ross back to fitness. Looks a top player, and a massive upgrade on “pass backward” Tanner. That's just not fair Tanner is employed as a right back, that's why we bought him and a good young right back at that, maybe he's playing to instructions? 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 37 minutes ago, Selred said: Very excited to have Ross back to fitness. Looks a top player, and a massive upgrade on “pass backward” Tanner. That’s a very harsh assessment of Tanner and how do we know if McCorie is any better? If he like Tanner has few options to pass forward hat then? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of his pie crust Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Looks a strong lad, aggressive in the tackle, but with all ‘new’ players, until you see them for a fair few games at champ standard, it’s difficult to form a rounded view. Good to have some competition/back up at right back that doesn’t involve Sykes though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Back of the Dolman Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 52 minutes ago, Selred said: Very excited to have Ross back to fitness. Looks a top player, and a massive upgrade on “pass backward” Tanner. Got to say I do find the constant bashing of George Tanner a bit boring. I watched him very closely against Millwall because of the constant criticism he receives regarding passing backwards all the time. He often has nobody providing real width ahead of him as it appears we asking the wide player on the right side to tuck in field, this doesn’t appear to happen so much on the left side. It results in Tanner having the option to play forwards onto a congested middle of the park or come backwards to recycle the ball. It certainly appears that the instruction is to retain possession and reduce the number of passes with a higher risk of failure. I’m not saying McCrorie won’t be a better right back for us but I think George Tanner has always given 100% and deserves more respect. 62 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 hours ago, Ska Junkie said: All down to our 'thugs' and 'dirty tactics' according to their supporters. I’ve never known us be thugs or dirty in my 50 years watching city , wanted them to be sometimes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, frenchred said: How on earth can you miss what you never had? I miss Julia Roberts 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: Twitter version: Didn’t realise he was such a unit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, redkev said: Didn’t realise he was such a unit In other posts over his injury period I compared his physicality, aggression and athleticism to Marvin Elliott, although I added he’s a bit more easy on the eye than Marv!!! Today’s clips showed a bit of all of that. He looks a bit stockier than I remembered, and I know it’s just 60 seconds, but you can see what the hope is in terms of what he can bring. No disrespect to Tanner who can dish it too, but there could be opponents not relishing either of our fullbacks both when we defend and when we attack. I hope we don’t rush him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: In other posts over his injury period I compared his physicality, aggression and athleticism to Marvin Elliott, although I added he’s a bit more easy on the eye than Marv!!! Today’s clips showed a bit of all of that. He looks a bit stockier than I remembered, and I know it’s just 60 seconds, but you can see what the hope is in terms of what he can bring. No disrespect to Tanner who can dish it too, but there could be opponents not relishing either of our fullbacks both when we defend and when we attack. I hope we don’t rush him. I think there is less worry on this score as his injury wasn't muscular or tendon/cartilage, it's not likely to be a recurring issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I think there is less worry on this score as his injury wasn't muscular or tendon/cartilage, it's not likely to be a recurring issue. Agree, just more the fact that he’s had to do pretty much a pre-season on his own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 37 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Agree, just more the fact that he’s had to do pretty much a pre-season on his own. If what we’ve heard is up to date, that is his second game, after an in-house one last week. A couple more games over the next week-10 days and I’d hope we can start getting some minutes out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 hours ago, Davefevs said: In other posts over his injury period I compared his physicality, aggression and athleticism to Marvin Elliott, although I added he’s a bit more easy on the eye than Marv!!! Today’s clips showed a bit of all of that. He looks a bit stockier than I remembered, and I know it’s just 60 seconds, but you can see what the hope is in terms of what he can bring. No disrespect to Tanner who can dish it too, but there could be opponents not relishing either of our fullbacks both when we defend and when we attack. I hope we don’t rush him. I hope he’s not rushed either - but also hope he’s on the bench Saturday 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 8 hours ago, James54De said: If what we’ve heard is up to date, that is his second game, after an in-house one last week. A couple more games over the next week-10 days and I’d hope we can start getting some minutes out of him. I was surprised he played an hour, didn't realise that was his second game. Could be on the bench for Watford then , maybe even WHU just to make up the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 10 hours ago, frenchred said: That's just not fair Tanner is employed as a right back, that's why we bought him and a good young right back at that, maybe he's playing to instructions? He’s 24. He’s not a kid anymore. On the ball he is so slow with decision making and often we lose momentum because of it. He doesn’t make that many runs, doesn’t look at making positive balls forward. I liked Tanner when he first arrived, but I watch a lot of him now and often he is sloppy, slow and ineffective. Clearly that’s why we spent so much on Ross, who will hopefully be a stronger player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 hours ago, Davefevs said: I hope we don’t rush him. No doubt Manning will have on the bench and introduce him to gradually i the pace of the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GrahamC Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Selred said: He’s 24. He’s not a kid anymore. On the ball he is so slow with decision making and often we lose momentum because of it. He doesn’t make that many runs, doesn’t look at making positive balls forward. I liked Tanner when he first arrived, but I watch a lot of him now and often he is sloppy, slow and ineffective. Clearly that’s why we spent so much on Ross, who will hopefully be a stronger player. Of course this is an opinion but it is not what I see. He certainly isn’t “sloppy”, on occasions he’s conservative with his passing but that’s because primarily he’s a defender rather than someone particularly comfortable going forward. He cost £300k from League Two, has seen off Danny Simpson & Kane Wilson & even if McCrorie gets fit & possibly dislodges him then he will still be a valuable squad player who has time to further improve. Edited January 10 by GrahamC 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 18 minutes ago, Selred said: He’s 24. He’s not a kid anymore. On the ball he is so slow with decision making and often we lose momentum because of it. He doesn’t make that many runs, doesn’t look at making positive balls forward. I liked Tanner when he first arrived, but I watch a lot of him now and often he is sloppy, slow and ineffective. Clearly that’s why we spent so much on Ross, who will hopefully be a stronger player. Just out of interest did you notice when we played Millwall that his wide player, Andi, was anywhere but wide and every time Tanner received the ball he had no forward option to pass it to (and you would be a complete and utter lunatic to try and carry the ball into three or four players of traffic) whereas on the opposite side Anis was hugging the touchline and that gave Pring at least TWO options (other than reset) every time he received the ball? If you must look for "fault" in that scenario then either Andi took it upon himself to avoid the wide area for reasons known to himself or, far more likely imo, Manning had a valid tactical reason for asking him to play narrow on the day. Don't get me wrong, Tanner does seem "limited" in terms of going forward with the ball but criticism should be balanced. I must admit if McCrorie doesn't give us something extra given what we spent then that would be disappointing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: No doubt Manning will have on the bench and introduce him to gradually i the pace of the Championship. I suppose the good thing is that as his absence wasn't injury related then it's not going to reoccur in a matchday scenario due to it being an infection. So it's all about building his fitness up without concerns that it could reoccur. Although I suppose with being out for quite a while there is the potential to pick up other unrelated injuries if rushed. I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the bench at the weekend. If only to get him back into the match day routine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Would love to know more about his injury ( not being critical of any thing or anybody ) just never heard of a bacterial injury before , only bacterial thing I have ever heard of is flu and that bloody Covid shite 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, redkev said: Would love to know more about his injury ( not being critical of any thing or anybody ) just never heard of a bacterial injury before , only bacterial thing I have ever heard of is flu and that bloody Covid shite Flu and COVID are both caused by a virus rather than a bacterial organism. Have a read of this which is about Santi Cazorla's struggles. This is probably the highest profile bacterial 'injury' of recent times. McRorie may not be absolutely the same, but it's an example of the type of thing that can sadly happen. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/07/santi-cazorla-villarreal-injury-arsenal-interview-sid-lowe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityReds Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, redkev said: Would love to know more about his injury ( not being critical of any thing or anybody ) just never heard of a bacterial injury before , only bacterial thing I have ever heard of is flu and that bloody Covid shite Both of which are viral not bacterial. Just takes a small cut and some bacteria from anything to get into a wound or anywhere and you’re ill for some time. Antibiotics can help but it’s a long road to recovery as we’ve witnessed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Flu and COVID are both caused by a virus rather than a bacterial organism. Have a read of this which is about Santi Cazorla's struggles. This is probably the highest profile bacterial 'injury' of recent times. McRorie may not be absolutely the same, but it's an example of the type of thing that can sadly happen. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/07/santi-cazorla-villarreal-injury-arsenal-interview-sid-lowe Thanks that’s quite a read and I imagine quite worrying for any person to be hit with something like this , I now understand why it took so long to sort , I would imagine even with all the training he has done he will have to be managed pretty carefully for a while once he actually gets game time . Would imagine there will be a fair few games before he does a 90 mins , either subbed on or off if he starts . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Numero Uno said: Just out of interest did you notice when we played Millwall that his wide player, Andi, was anywhere but wide and every time Tanner received the ball he had no forward option to pass it to (and you would be a complete and utter lunatic to try and carry the ball into three or four players of traffic) whereas on the opposite side Anis was hugging the touchline and that gave Pring at least TWO options (other than reset) every time he received the ball? If you must look for "fault" in that scenario then either Andi took it upon himself to avoid the wide area for reasons known to himself or, far more likely imo, Manning had a valid tactical reason for asking him to play narrow on the day. Don't get me wrong, Tanner does seem "limited" in terms of going forward with the ball but criticism should be balanced. I must admit if McCrorie doesn't give us something extra given what we spent then that would be disappointing. The Millwall game was interesting, because in the previous games it was Mehmeti inverting to give Pring space to get forward, and a more conservative Tanner / Sykes combo on the other side. Yet for Millwall, Manning reversed the lopsided approach. Why? Was he worried about Brooke Norton-Cuffy advancing the ball, but could be more attacking against Murray Wallace? I don’t know….but it didn’t work. So, gameplan is relevant as you suggest before we can truly critique. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, redkev said: Thanks that’s quite a read and I imagine quite worrying for any person to be hit with something like this , I now understand why it took so long to sort , I would imagine even with all the training he has done he will have to be managed pretty carefully for a while once he actually gets game time . Would imagine there will be a fair few games before he does a 90 mins , either subbed on or off if he starts . Yes. I get the feeling that McRorie hasn't had quite as bad a time as Cazorla had, but it's clearly been quite rough. He will need to be managed back to full "match fitness". But it's great to have him back in the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: The Millwall game was interesting, because in the previous games it was Mehmeti inverting to give Pring space to get forward, and a more conservative Tanner / Sykes combo on the other side. Yet for Millwall, Manning reversed the lopsided approach. Why? Was he worried about Brooke Norton-Cuffy advancing the ball, but could be more attacking against Murray Wallace? I don’t know….but it didn’t work. So, gameplan is relevant as you suggest before we can truly critique. It was obviously tactical to me and as we know sometimes tactics, like Weimann playing inside that particular game, work wonderfully in your head but don't translate onto the the pitch for whatever reason. That's not an issue, happens all the time, but it was unfortunate that Tanner was the fall guy in the eyes of many watching. There were numerous occasions when he was getting pelters and I was thinking "what the hell was he meant to do in that situation?" - three opposition bodies in front of him, Weimann marked up, no other forward outlet - of course he went backwards to someone spare. If he had the ability and blistering pace of Cafu to go past three or four players that might be a different thing but he doesn't. The things we lack in our squad are the things you need to unlock organisation - top level movement, high level passing ability or the ability to go past players and disorganise the opposition that way. When we can afford to add those qualities to the squad in we will cope a lot better with teams "doing a Millwall".......when people bang on about Manchester City passing the ball ad infinitum they forget that it's also the likes of Foden, Doku and Grealish leaving players sat on their arse that are a major ingredient of what they do to create the clear chances. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: It was obviously tactical to me and as we know sometimes tactics, like Weimann playing inside that particular game, work wonderfully in your head but don't translate onto the the pitch for whatever reason. yep, and I think in the games / mins he’s started / come on as sub on the left, he’s inverted effectively. That's not an issue, happens all the time, but it was unfortunate that Tanner was the fall guy in the eyes of many watching. There were numerous occasions when he was getting pelters and I was thinking "what the hell was he meant to do in that situation?" - three opposition bodies in front of him, Weimann marked up, no other forward outlet - of course he went backwards to someone spare. If he had the ability and blistering pace of Cafu to go past three or four players that might be a different thing but he doesn't. yep, agree. And if the tactic was for Weimann to invert to allow Tanner to “bomb”, you’d question whether that is using Tanner in the best way. The things we lack in our squad are the things you need to unlock organisation - top level movement, high level passing ability or the ability to go past players and disorganise the opposition that way. When we can afford to add those qualities to the squad in we will cope a lot better with teams "doing a Millwall".......when people bang on about Manchester City passing the ball ad infinitum they forget that it's also the likes of Foden, Doku and Grealish leaving players sat on their arse that are a major ingredient of what they do to create the clear chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 53 minutes ago, redkev said: Would love to know more about his injury ( not being critical of any thing or anybody ) just never heard of a bacterial injury before , only bacterial thing I have ever heard of is flu and that bloody Covid shite His problem was a bone infection (bacterial in nature) in his hip/pelvis area, resulting in the small area of affected bone being removed. Lot's of muscle for the surgeon to navigate so very invasive- hence the timescale. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityReds Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 6 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said: Some supporters seem to have a misconception about the concept of football. They think that the ball has to move forward for us to progress through phases. I'm not targeting you specifically, but this is the post that has pushed me too far. A sideways or even a backwards pass can be as effective as a forward pass. I don't understand why some fans don't get it. It's all about moving and shifting the opposition to create gaps and space. When you make a sideways pass, you're pulling the opposition team across the pitch, and you're dominating the play. You don't have to move forward all the time to be effective and open up areas to attack or exploit. Under Manning, we control the ball better and we don't give away as much unnecessary possession. If that means passing the ball backwards and then building again, then that's fine. I'd prefer 10 sideways or backwards passes and keeping possession of the ball, creating space for an attacking move, than a hopeful or aimless punt up the field where we lose control of the ball. That should be obvious, shouldn't it? I watched a very interesting video on De Zerbi where Brighton players are encouraged to literally stand still with their foot on the ball until they are pressed and space is made available. What we don’t have at the moment is the speed of passing and advancing once that space has opened up, which of course can only come with time and practise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelton Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 18 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said: Some supporters seem to have a misconception about the concept of football. They think that the ball has to move forward for us to progress through phases. I'm not targeting you specifically, but this is the post that has pushed me too far. A sideways or even a backwards pass can be as effective as a forward pass. I don't understand why some fans don't get it. It's all about moving and shifting the opposition to create gaps and space. When you make a sideways pass, you're pulling the opposition team across the pitch, and you're dominating the play. You don't have to move forward all the time to be effective and open up areas to attack or exploit. Under Manning, we control the ball better and we don't give away as much unnecessary possession. If that means passing the ball backwards and then building again, then that's fine. I'd prefer 10 sideways or backwards passes and keeping possession of the ball, creating space for an attacking move, than a hopeful or aimless punt up the field where we lose control of the ball. That should be obvious, shouldn't it? Should be obvious but we're not dealing with tactical geniuses on here,what some people are watching,or think they're watching,during a game,is hilarious at times. (Yes,you two idiots behind me in the upper Lansdown,I mean you) 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 48 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said: Some supporters seem to have a misconception about the concept of football. They think that the ball has to move forward for us to progress through phases. I'm not targeting you specifically, but this is the post that has pushed me too far. A sideways or even a backwards pass can be as effective as a forward pass. I don't understand why some fans don't get it. It's all about moving and shifting the opposition to create gaps and space. When you make a sideways pass, you're pulling the opposition team across the pitch, and you're dominating the play. You don't have to move forward all the time to be effective and open up areas to attack or exploit. Under Manning, we control the ball better and we don't give away as much unnecessary possession. If that means passing the ball backwards and then building again, then that's fine. I'd prefer 10 sideways or backwards passes and keeping possession of the ball, creating space for an attacking move, than a hopeful or aimless punt up the field where we lose control of the ball. That should be obvious, shouldn't it? I agree about keeping possession. But Tanner does miss progressive passes if he looked up and played with more speed. He slows the game down each time by stopping the ball and eventually having to go back as the opposition has time to regroup, unlike Pring who does burst into spaces and looks to play more attacking balls. I know part of this is balance (one up, one stays back), and is tactical, but also you need to have both in your locker. As mentioned, there's a reason Nige looked at getting a new RB in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, Selred said: I agree about keeping possession. But Tanner does miss progressive passes if he looked up and played with more speed. He slows the game down each time by stopping the ball and eventually having to go back as the opposition has time to regroup, unlike Pring who does burst into spaces and looks to play more attacking balls. I know part of this is balance (one up, one stays back), and is tactical, but also you need to have both in your locker. As mentioned, there's a reason Nige looked at getting a new RB in. Because we had no backup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: Because we had no backup. So our most expensive signing was a RB? It was a priority IMO. But anyway I dont want to fully hijack the McCrorie thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, redkev said: Would love to know more about his injury ( not being critical of any thing or anybody ) just never heard of a bacterial injury before , only bacterial thing I have ever heard of is flu and that bloody Covid shite Neither of which are bacterial - both are viruses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Gimme Shelton said: (Yes,you two idiots behind me in the upper Lansdown,I mean you) That's no way to speak about the chairman and DoF! Edited January 10 by Mr Popodopolous 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkeyred Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 58 minutes ago, CityReds said: I watched a very interesting video on De Zerbi where Brighton players are encouraged to literally stand still with their foot on the ball until they are pressed and space is made available. What we don’t have at the moment is the speed of passing and advancing once that space has opened up, which of course can only come with time and practise The best I've seen at standing still to make space while others moved, is Messi - Modric a close second. Both, then had short bursts that seemed to create something every time. Not bad role models..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollsRoyce Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 53 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said: Yeah, that’s also an interesting concept. Manning has obviously inherited a team, and I don’t think he has the players he wants to play the sort of football he wants. Then he is the wrong coach for what we need. The overarching principles of how we play are not determined by Manning, or any coach . Thereis a club philosophy that runs from youth teams to first team. So Tinnion made an error in appointing Manning, wrong man for the job if what you say is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norn Iron Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Gimme Shelton said: Yes,you two idiots behind me in the upper Lansdown,I mean you) Not me then as I didn't sit in the Upper Lansdown when I flew over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said: Then he is the wrong coach for what we need. The overarching principles of how we play are not determined by Manning, or any coach . Thereis a club philosophy that runs from youth teams to first team. So Tinnion made an error in appointing Manning, wrong man for the job if what you say is true. So based on the last four years the club philosophy is to be solely counter attacking and an absolute shambles when faced with defensive organisation? On that basis I would prefer a new philosophy which is what the previous manager was trying to do slowly and Manning is looking to speed up. If it’s a straight choice between the DoF’s sound bites and Manning I’ll go with the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 30 minutes ago, Selred said: I agree about keeping possession. But Tanner does miss progressive passes if he looked up and played with more speed. He slows the game down each time by stopping the ball and eventually having to go back as the opposition has time to regroup, unlike Pring who does burst into spaces and looks to play more attacking balls. I know part of this is balance (one up, one stays back), and is tactical, but also you need to have both in your locker. As mentioned, there's a reason Nige looked at getting a new RB in. I think you make valid points. We can’t be one dimensional and only be able to attack down one side of the pitch. It’s natural that if your opponent closes down our left wing, that we need to try a different route. Whilst Tanner is generally more risk averse in his approach (and I no problems with that), he must also recognise when he might have to be the one to try to open things up. For me that’s taking responsibility, being brave, solving problems on the pitch. If doubt (hope) the environment and tactical plan is that rigid, so it comes down to George and his teammates to recognise when it’s “their turn” to take on the responsibility for the creative bit. You can’t just say, let’s go from right to left, pass back and sideways to get it to Pring and Mehmeti and keep hitting a brick walk defence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, Numero Uno said: Just out of interest did you notice when we played Millwall that his wide player, Andi, was anywhere but wide and every time Tanner received the ball he had no forward option to pass it to (and you would be a complete and utter lunatic to try and carry the ball into three or four players of traffic) whereas on the opposite side Anis was hugging the touchline and that gave Pring at least TWO options (other than reset) every time he received the ball? If you must look for "fault" in that scenario then either Andi took it upon himself to avoid the wide area for reasons known to himself or, far more likely imo, Manning had a valid tactical reason for asking him to play narrow on the day. Don't get me wrong, Tanner does seem "limited" in terms of going forward with the ball but criticism should be balanced. I must admit if McCrorie doesn't give us something extra given what we spent then that would be disappointing. Just because Weimann wasn't out hugging the touchline, doesn't mean there was no forward pass available . Several times in the first half there was a good early pass on to Weimann and Tanner failed to initiate it, leaving Weimann to throw his arms up in frustration, as Tanner went backwards yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 17 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said: Then he is the wrong coach for what we need. The overarching principles of how we play are not determined by Manning, or any coach . Thereis a club philosophy that runs from youth teams to first team. So Tinnion made an error in appointing Manning, wrong man for the job if what you say is true. This is true, but I’ll also add that @Numero Uno adds the vital bit….soundbites versus reality. My view being formed is that Manning is continuing from what Nige was building / changing, and that is a team that controls possession more and isn’t just counterattacking. I think Nige was trying to create the right balance. He wasn’t there, but the direction of travel was. Whether we see Manning take this shift all the way to Russell Martin ball I don’t know. I hope not. Why? Because I think if he is the football obsessive he tells us he is, he’ll recognise that he’ll need top players (at this level) to make “possession” football (you know what I mean) a success. It’s why Swansea finished mid-table (15th / 10th) under Martin, and why he’s now looking at top 2 with better players at Southampton. And we aren’t likely to be able to build b retain a top squad of players. So he needs to find a balanced solution. I hope he’s recognised that a decent proportion of our chances comes from “Swift” attacks, wherever the move starts from. On Sunday, our goal came from a good press and winning an aerial challenge just inside our half. Bells early chance came from a long pass from Vyner. Pring’s from memory came from a deeper bass through the lines that enabled Knight to cross against a retreating defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Just because Weimann wasn't out hugging the touchline, doesn't mean there was no forward pass available . Several times in the first half there was a good early pass on to Weimann and Tanner failed to initiate it, leaving Weimann to throw his arms up in frustration, as Tanner went backwards yet again. Yes, there were occasions when that was the case but there were far more when he didn’t have a pass on and when he did let the crowd get to him he played it forward into Conway with Hutchinson or Cooper right up his arse. Like I say a bit of balance never goes amiss. The role Weimann was asked to play did not help Tanner whatever your views on his ability. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollsRoyce Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: So based on the last four years the club philosophy is to be solely counter attacking and an absolute shambles when faced with defensive organisation? On that basis I would prefer a new philosophy which is what the previous manager was trying to do slowly and Manning is looking to speed up. If it’s a straight choice between the DoF’s sound bites and Manning I’ll go with the latter. You have missed the point completely, which is unlike you. Manning is the wrong appointment if you have to change the squad to"play his way". If true, he was suited to Swansea. If you believe we should be completely changing the club from top to bottom, then you are going to be waiting a very long time for success. Manning should not define the football club. Look at the successful sides and see the difference. We would be doing the opposite. Again. However, the point was about needing to change everything to meet Mannings's needs. I would counter that, by saying Manning is not a one-trick pony, and has shown a pragmatic approach to using the available players. That is encouraging. He quickly reverted the defensive unit back to a more solid 4 after early forays made us weaker for example. Manning, like Pearson, needs a Scott replacement, and some magic in the side (as do 12/14 other non PP clubs) to try and break down the familiar Championship defensive blocks. Not sure we were a shambles when we had a fit squad. We are no longer much of a counter-attacking threat either. The last 4 years were a pragmatic solution to available resources and not the end game. If Manning is to survive and thrive , he will continue to be pragmatic, and compromise to the circumstance. But if we are talking about changing the club philosophy from top to bottom, then go to sleep for a few years as the club flip flop their approach once more. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Corner Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I suppose the good thing is that as his absence wasn't injury related then it's not going to reoccur in a matchday scenario due to it being an infection. Unless we play the gas then the whole team will need antibiotics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said: You have missed the point completely, which is unlike you. Manning is the wrong appointment if you have to change the squad to"play his way". If true, he was suited to Swansea. If you believe we should be completely changing the club from top to bottom, then you are going to be waiting a very long time for success. Manning should not define the football club. Look at the successful sides and see the difference. We would be doing the opposite. Again. However, the point was about needing to change everything to meet Mannings's needs. I would counter that, by saying Manning is not a one-trick pony, and has shown a pragmatic approach to using the available players. That is encouraging. He quickly reverted the defensive unit back to a more solid 4 after early forays made us weaker for example. Manning, like Pearson, needs a Scott replacement, and some magic in the side (as do 12/14 other non PP clubs) to try and break down the familiar Championship defensive blocks. Not sure we were a shambles when we had a fit squad. We are no longer much of a counter-attacking threat either. The last 4 years were a pragmatic solution to available resources and not the end game. If Manning is to survive and thrive , he will continue to be pragmatic, and compromise to the circumstance. But if we are talking about changing the club philosophy from top to bottom, then go to sleep for a few years as the club flip flop their approach once more. The only person talking about changing the style significantly is Tinnion that I can see who requires some mythical "front foot" game otherwise you're fired.............I haven't heard Manning say anything about massively changing styles. I do not think the current pragmatic approach is either sustainable or likely to keep bums on seats in the long term. It derived from an experienced manager asked to carry out a reset whilst maintaining Championship status. For many, watching us play on the counter at home, when it doesn't work, is absolutely soul destroying. Pragmatism has been done, it's delivered the short term benefit it needed to and now Manning HAS to change the style to a degree unless you want to be sat here in four years time still mid-table, watching us with players of decent but not outstanding Championship ability competing against teams that come at us and still being bloody awful against the Preston's and Millwall's of this world. Something has to change to deliver what the hierarchy want (and sacked Pearson for not providing) doesn't it? In terms of pragmatism Manning has done alright after a shaky start where I do believe he tried to change a few things too quickly in some respects. I thought we played a very decent counter attacking game on Sunday and definitely did at Watford for example. I think people are paying too much attention to the sound bites from the top. It's hot air coming from them as far as I'm concerned. Given we were adopting a pragmatic approach to fit FFFP circumstances do you really believe this "pragmatism" was being coached from U9's to U21's? I don't. We haven't had a "club Style" for literally YEARS now. So what is there for Manning to "rip up"? What is the "club philosophy" that Liam would be dismantling by the way? Who defines it? The Director of Football presumably? Has the ingrained philosophy been explained to fans by him - I mean properly, not some meaningless "front foot" sound bite that could mean 20 different things. Because, at the moment, bar the undoubted team spirit and application we have, I see literally nothing else that Liam could rip up and ruin.......... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Robbored said: Neither of which are bacterial - both are viruses. I have now been corrected thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Why is it that when I see Ross McCorie I immediately start sing Oasis Morning glory. Maybe that should be the basis of his song, "Whats the story Ross McCorie". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 24 minutes ago, BS3_RED said: Why is it that when I see Ross McCorie I immediately start sing Oasis Morning glory. Because McCrorie rhymes with glory? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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devoncider Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 4 hours ago, Gimme Shelton said: Should be obvious but we're not dealing with tactical geniuses on here,what some people are watching,or think they're watching,during a game,is hilarious at times. (Yes,you two idiots behind me in the upper Lansdown,I mean you) Could have sworn you were referring to the 3 moaning musketeers behind me in the South Stand. Against Millwall we had all the usual groans about backwards passing, and even a claim that Manning makes the players 'run too fast'. The fact that I would guess they've been watching football for decades longer than me, yet still have such a poor grasp of the fundamentals is beyond belief. Edited January 10 by devoncider should probably save their blushes in fairness and not state their row and block 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, devoncider said: Could have sworn you were referring to the 3 moaning musketeers behind me in the South Stand. Against Millwall we had all the usual groans about backwards passing, and even a claim that Manning makes the players 'run too fast'. The fact that I would guess they've been watching football for decades longer than me, yet still have such a poor grasp of the fundamentals is beyond belief. They're all over the stadium, including the bloke behind me in the Dolman - @GrahamC can hear him as well. "FORWAAARD", "PASS IT", "FORWAAARD", "RUBBISH", "FORWAAARD". Seemed like every couple of minutes at times - why shout it out at the top of his voice ? I did politely(ish) ask him to refrain once and he didn't return for the second half, but I felt a bit guilty and my Mrs gave me one of her hard stares (the one that means "I'm gonna give you some stick later") so I've not said anything since. Double jeopardy. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, CityReds said: I watched a very interesting video on De Zerbi where Brighton players are encouraged to literally stand still with their foot on the ball until they are pressed and space is made available. What we don’t have at the moment is the speed of passing and advancing once that space has opened up, which of course can only come with time and practise And new players. Not sure many of the current squad are suited to a coach who preaches precise, technical, tactical football. I expect our squad to look quite different in 18 months time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 8 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: "FORWAAARD", "PASS IT", "FORWAAARD", "RUBBISH", "FORWAAARD". Seemed like every couple of minutes at times - why shout it out at the top of his voice ? There’s a guy near me in the Lansdown who yells ‘get in the mixer’ every time City get into a wide position and on the odd occasion that he’s not at the game everyone around me miss him ‘encouraging’ the team……..…. What he doesn’t seem to realise is that City don’t have have a decent CF who’s good in the air……… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, bcfc01 said: They're all over the stadium, including the bloke behind me in the Dolman - @GrahamC can hear him as well. "FORWAAARD", "PASS IT", "FORWAAARD", "RUBBISH", "FORWAAARD". Seemed like every couple of minutes at times - why shout it out at the top of his voice ? I did politely(ish) ask him to refrain once and he didn't return for the second half, but I felt a bit guilty and my Mrs gave me one of her hard stares (the one that means "I'm gonna give you some stick later") so I've not said anything since. Double jeopardy. “Get out” shouted at every bleeding corner we defend, too. Bet the coaching staff never thought of that, so don’t bother marking your designated man or closing down space, just run out like Forrest Gump & we’ll be contenders for Europe in no time.. Absolute plankton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, bcfc01 said: They're all over the stadium, including the bloke behind me in the Dolman - @GrahamC can hear him as well. "FORWAAARD", "PASS IT", "FORWAAARD", "RUBBISH", "FORWAAARD". Seemed like every couple of minutes at times - why shout it out at the top of his voice ? I did politely(ish) ask him to refrain once and he didn't return for the second half, but I felt a bit guilty and my Mrs gave me one of her hard stares (the one that means "I'm gonna give you some stick later") so I've not said anything since. Double jeopardy. I like the cries of "shoooot" every time someone in possession has entered their half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, bcfc01 said: They're all over the stadium, including the bloke behind me in the Dolman - @GrahamC can hear him as well. "FORWAAARD", "PASS IT", "FORWAAARD", "RUBBISH", "FORWAAARD". Seemed like every couple of minutes at times - why shout it out at the top of his voice ? I did politely(ish) ask him to refrain once and he didn't return for the second half, but I felt a bit guilty and my Mrs gave me one of her hard stares (the one that means "I'm gonna give you some stick later") so I've not said anything since. Double jeopardy. Sounds like two clowns near me . One in front one behind . One behind is like a parrot . GET IT FORWARD from in front , repeated from behind . When it goes forward to early and we lose the ball , it’s . KEEP THE BALL FFS . idiots . I hope your reading this you two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 hours ago, redkev said: I have now been corrected thanks Said the man in orthopedic shoes.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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