extonsred Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 ...I look up and can only pass to him if I see he's running into space... Wonder if we practice this on the training ground? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodsDTES Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, extonsred said: ...I look up and can only pass to him if I see he's running into space... Wonder if we practice this on the training ground? Unfortunately his vision is not teachable. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 12 minutes ago, extonsred said: ...I look up and can only pass to him if I see he's running into space... Wonder if we practice this on the training ground? Sounds so simple...difficult to employ when you have a static team all facing you (rather that the supposed direction of travel). Can't believe how static we have become in games..throws.....general passing. No one seemingly coaching movement off the ball.... Edited January 14 by MelksRed 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgess Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, MelksRed said: Sounds so simple...difficult to employ when you have a static team all facing you (rather that the supposed direction of travel). Can't believe how static we have become in games..throws.....general passing. No one seemingly coaching movement off the ball.... Too much positional discipline and responsibility, maybe players need to have or show a little more freedom or a preparedness to gamble by making a run even though it may leave ‘their’ man free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 The 2 best in this country are KDB and TAA but it helps with world class players around you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 KDB is one of the most under hyped players in premier league history in my opinion despite being probably the best midfielder the premier league has ever seen. Look at Salah for example, gets all the plaudits he deserves. But for some bizarre reason, KDB doesn't recieve the same sort of hype. I don't know if thats down to his quiet personality or because of who he plays for. He easily goes into my greatest prem XI. 9 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 21 minutes ago, Sturgess said: Too much positional discipline and responsibility, maybe players need to have or show a little more freedom or a preparedness to gamble by making a run even though it may leave ‘their’ man free? You can only show freedom if you are given it. Often, when a lot of coaching is involved, it's about waiting for someone else's trigger movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 One of the best lessons from KDB is that an accurate side footed “pass” into the corner of the net beats just smashing it. He did it against us and he did it again yesterday. No one else does it quite like that and it’s so impressive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prankerd Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I thought id put a cheeky punt on man city after our disappointing loss, never have i felt so pleased for a player to come on! His goal was such a kdb goal! Its just you cant defend it! I feel like man city without kdb, is a team thats beatable, with him they have the best midfielder in the world right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 A very basic coaching principle and phrase The run attracts / invites the pass , not the other way round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgess Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, The turtle said: You can only show freedom if you are given it. Often, when a lot of coaching is involved, it's about waiting for someone else's trigger movement Therein lies my point, sometimes you have to force the oppo to react, rather than waiting for something to happen - force them to respond. Granted, you may concede a possession or a chance, but it works both ways right?! Edited January 14 by Sturgess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, extonsred said: ...I look up and can only pass to him if I see he's running into space... Wonder if we practice this on the training ground? And it’s interesting that the one game where we did employ this type of movement off the ball was Conways run into space and subsequent goal, from Williams’ assist in the FA cup game against WH. One of the most frustrating things about watching City is the inconsistency in our play. We show we can do better and then play like we did yesterday. Edited January 14 by JP Hampton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, Sturgess said: Therein lies my point, sometimes you have to force the oppo to react, rather than waiting for something to happen - force them to respond. Granted, you may concede a possession or a chance, but it works both ways right?! Henry explains it very well. He wasn't in the game, following management tactics, but he was out of the game He went being proactive, even scored ..... Result= he was subbed .... I think it happens in so many games in all football teams. We get frustrated at players for not doing certain things, but if they did; even if they worked in that moment, they would find themselves out of the side. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, MelksRed said: No one seemingly coaching movement off the ball.... Watching the Ipswich vs Sunderland game I was struck by how the Ipswich players were constantly on the move and looking to make themselves available to receive a pass. They don't have stellar players so it shows that it can be coached. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 12 minutes ago, Sturgess said: Therein lies my point, sometimes you have to force the oppo to react, rather than waiting for something to happen - force them to respond. Granted, you may concede a possession or a chance, but it works both ways right?! I once read - many moons ago. When wenger was at arsenal, he mainly focused on defensive set-up, and the transition phases. But when on the ball he had very little input as to what players should do, simply that players should both enjoy and express themselves. His arsenal sides often bad faults, but on the ball they were always so expressive as a result. ....... His teaching of henry for example on making different runs depending on who had the ball was so simple yet fantastic, because henry always made the some runs regardless who was in possession then get annoyed they couldn't play that pass. That one piece of advice changed his career 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Was absolutely fantastic against us at AG last season in the cup. That goal he scored, on the run, without stopping, to curl into the goal from 25 yards. Absolutely fantastic technique. You can only admire the talent, after you've been able to see them live. Watching on TV cuts out so much of their off the ball work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 KDB is the best midfielder in PL history. Better than Scholes, Gerrrard, Lampard etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, chinapig said: Watching the Ipswich vs Sunderland game I was struck by how the Ipswich players were constantly on the move and looking to make themselves available to receive a pass. They don't have stellar players so it shows that it can be coached. They are becoming very annoying, they seem to be the exception to everything at the moment! But what they definitely are is well drilled….and they are genuinely front foot. They don’t overplay, they confound the theory that passing it around, moves players around to create openings. They manage to do it without the need to go side to side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Best midfielder in Premier League history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said: Was absolutely fantastic against us at AG last season in the cup. That goal he scored, on the run, without stopping, to curl into the goal from 25 yards. Absolutely fantastic technique. You can only admire the talent, after you've been able to see them live. Watching on TV cuts out so much of their off the ball work. More impressive was the equaliser away in the league cup semi final. He got the ball off their keeper & thought **** this I’ll do I myself . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, extonsred said: ...I look up and can only pass to him if I see he's running into space... Wonder if we practice this on the training ground? We look up, see no one is running into space and hoof the ball into areas where we never bother to challenge for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, bearded_red said: Best midfielder in Premier League history. He’s one of yes . To disregard Gerrard , lampard, scholes , viera, toure, etc is a bit harsh . I’ve watched him three times in the flesh all be it against us & he’s right up there no doubt . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Was incredibly fortunate to be at St James' Park last night and watch him in action. Every time I've seen him play live he's produced something that is on a different level to anyone else on the pitch. His ability to spot that pass for Bobb last night is something you can't teach, as is his calmness with the ball at his feet for the 2nd goal, as soon as he picked up the ball you knew what he was going to do. The best midfielder in Premier League history for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 From what I have seen we play straight into feet too much which forces pressure on the 1st touch being good and makes turning difficult. Play into space and the marking defender has a much harder job. It doesn't need to be acres of space, just the side furthest from the defender. Key point - the run is made 1st and the ball passed 2nd, that is what catches out defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, The Coach said: KDB is the best midfielder in PL history. Better than Scholes, Gerrrard, Lampard etc. If you ask Man City fans they will say David Silva. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 36 minutes ago, Davefevs said: They don’t overplay, they confound the theory that passing it around, moves players around to create openings. Indeed, if you do that the opposition can just keep their shape and expect that sooner or later you will give the ball away. Which certainly applies to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: KDB is one of the most under hyped players in premier league history in my opinion despite being probably the best midfielder the premier league has ever seen. Look at Salah for example, gets all the plaudits he deserves. But for some bizarre reason, KDB doesn't recieve the same sort of hype. I don't know if thats down to his quiet personality or because of who he plays for. He easily goes into my greatest prem XI. I don't know who you hang out with or what TV shows you watch, but I think he's universally appreciated as a fantastic footballer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: KDB is one of the most under hyped players in premier league history in my opinion despite being probably the best midfielder the premier league has ever seen. Look at Salah for example, gets all the plaudits he deserves. But for some bizarre reason, KDB doesn't recieve the same sort of hype. I don't know if thats down to his quiet personality or because of who he plays for. He easily goes into my greatest prem XI. We often disagree. But 100% with you on this, and you put it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 51 minutes ago, chinapig said: Indeed, if you do that the opposition can just keep their shape and expect that sooner or later you will give the ball away. Which certainly applies to us. If there was one thing I’d simplistically summarise at this point under LM, it’s that by taking some intensity out of the game both with the ball and without you end up with both teams having set defences….and therefore it’s harder to create for us and them, especially when chances from transition tend to be better scoring chances than from build up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan11 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 20 hours ago, Davefevs said: They are becoming very annoying, they seem to be the exception to everything at the moment! But what they definitely are is well drilled….and they are genuinely front foot. They don’t overplay, they confound the theory that passing it around, moves players around to create openings. They manage to do it without the need to go side to side. We play a lot of horizontal, slower football in the defensive third, looking to draw teams onto us and create openings. La Pausa I believe they call it! Once we find that opening though, it's fast and vertical through the middle and final thirds. At the end of the day, like you say, it is being well drilled, well coached, having strong relationships on the pitch and the end product of a team that has been progressively built and improved over the last 2 and a bit years. McKenna hasn't built this team and style overnight. In his early days we were tight defensively but struggled to score goals, which is mad to say now! This is why I think patience is needed with Manning, he needs time to mould the team into what he wants. Edited January 15 by Dan11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 14/01/2024 at 09:24, W-S-M Seagull said: KDB is one of the most under hyped players in premier league history in my opinion despite being probably the best midfielder the premier league has ever seen. Look at Salah for example, gets all the plaudits he deserves. But for some bizarre reason, KDB doesn't recieve the same sort of hype. I don't know if thats down to his quiet personality or because of who he plays for. He easily goes into my greatest prem XI. It is round about the 10th Anniversary of when Chelsea sold probably the best midfielder to have ever graced the Premiership, for 18 Mill to Wolfsburg? All that money and all those experts, and they let him slip through their fingers for pretty much a pittance in relation to his talent. Poor olde Chelsea........Ha!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 21 minutes ago, maxjak said: It is round about the 10th Anniversary of when Chelsea sold probably the best midfielder to have ever graced the Premiership, for 18 Mill to Wolfsburg? All that money and all those experts, and they let him slip through their fingers for pretty much a pittance in relation to his talent. Poor olde Chelsea........Ha!! Similar with Salah to some extent! I think Chelsea bought him originally because Liverpool wanted him, so they did it in spite??? Edited January 15 by Davefevs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Similar with Salah to some extent! I think Chelsea bought him originally because Liverpool wanted him, so they did it in spite??? I don't know if it is true, or maybe it is just idle gossip? But apparently Mourinho didn't rate him? Poor olde Chelsea! Edited January 15 by maxjak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 14/01/2024 at 13:42, Open End Numb Legs said: From what I have seen we play straight into feet too much which forces pressure on the 1st touch being good and makes turning difficult. Play into space and the marking defender has a much harder job. It doesn't need to be acres of space, just the side furthest from the defender. Key point - the run is made 1st and the ball passed 2nd, that is what catches out defenders. Yes I agree with you, especially Pring. Every pass to him seems to be to his right foot meaning he has to stop and either pass backwards or he is under pressure, we never seem to put the ball ahead of him to run onto and allow him to cross first time. The same does go for Tanner but I expect less from an attacking sense from him, but also contributes to the % he passes backwards to Vyner. Another annoying thing I’ve noticed is headers in the central area of the pitch, if our player is unchallenged they will just head it vaguely in the air back to where it came, not in the direction of another player or even bring the ball down for possession. I can’t tell if that’s a lack of football awareness or poor communication in the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, maxjak said: It is round about the 10th Anniversary of when Chelsea sold probably the best midfielder to have ever graced the Premiership, for 18 Mill to Wolfsburg? All that money and all those experts, and they let him slip through their fingers for pretty much a pittance in relation to his talent. Poor olde Chelsea........Ha!! A midfield of players Chelsea let go could be Salah-De Bruyne-Rice-Musiala 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, redsince1994 said: A midfield of players Chelsea let go could be Salah-De Bruyne-Rice-Musiala Maybe my juvenile sense of humour but that sounds a mouth watering meal. Masala with rice, salad on the side and a nice bottle from Chateau De Brunye. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 14/01/2024 at 13:52, Super said: If you ask Man City fans they will say David Silva. David Silva was class too. Definitely up there. KDB is just another level however. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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