Scott Twine

[Ally1971]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Naturally I was very impressed with Twine. 
Lots of comments about his set pieces, which of course will generally be bang on the money. 
But plenty of people saying they thought his ‘general’ play was lacking. 
Not sure what you guys were watching to be honest. 
What I saw was the first time we’ve had a player in bloody years who can find the central spaces behind the striker, receive the ball facing his own goal (which enables the CB’s and CM’s to find a forward pass), control that ball and turn, and make another forward pass. 
It’s how we break the lines and it’s how we’ve always said LM wants to play - but we were always missing that number 10. 
 

If people don’t think his general play was that good then they just have missed that dozen times he dropped into the hole and enabled us to pass it out. 

His strength will come when we have the patterns that will see the wide players making the third man runs once the ball goes into Twine. Because he will be able to turn and feed the ball forward. 
Sometimes he doesn’t even need to turn - 2nd half he came short for a ball from Dickie, had a man up his backside, but managed to flick a first time pass round the corner straight to Conways feet in the centre circle. 
We’ve not had this type of vision and execution from anyone for a long time - someone offering an option for a pass out from the back AND being able to control it and continue to play forwards. 
 

Yes, some of the passes he attempts will not come off. But that’s what a creative player has to do. They have to attempt the ball that might only come of 3 times out of 10. That’s what coaches call “being brave with the ball”. It’s taking the opportunity/responsibility to try the difficult things. We will definitely have that with Twine. He will try things. They won’t always come off, but when they do we will find ourselves in good attacking positions. And once we get those runners outside him, I can’t wait!! 

Always recall Wellens saying he was sending Scot out on loan for his benefit and not keep him as backup for the team.  Went to Newport, in the last year of his contract, so by the time he went back to Swindon and scored that wonder goal against Ipswich, live on Sky, there was no way he was staying and Swindon were relegated never to bounce back

[Ally1971]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Naturally I was very impressed with Twine. 
Lots of comments about his set pieces, which of course will generally be bang on the money. 
But plenty of people saying they thought his ‘general’ play was lacking. 
Not sure what you guys were watching to be honest. 
What I saw was the first time we’ve had a player in bloody years who can find the central spaces behind the striker, receive the ball facing his own goal (which enables the CB’s and CM’s to find a forward pass), control that ball and turn, and make another forward pass. 
It’s how we break the lines and it’s how we’ve always said LM wants to play - but we were always missing that number 10. 
 

If people don’t think his general play was that good then they just have missed that dozen times he dropped into the hole and enabled us to pass it out. 

His strength will come when we have the patterns that will see the wide players making the third man runs once the ball goes into Twine. Because he will be able to turn and feed the ball forward. 
Sometimes he doesn’t even need to turn - 2nd half he came short for a ball from Dickie, had a man up his backside, but managed to flick a first time pass round the corner straight to Conways feet in the centre circle. 
We’ve not had this type of vision and execution from anyone for a long time - someone offering an option for a pass out from the back AND being able to control it and continue to play forwards. 
 

Yes, some of the passes he attempts will not come off. But that’s what a creative player has to do. They have to attempt the ball that might only come of 3 times out of 10. That’s what coaches call “being brave with the ball”. It’s taking the opportunity/responsibility to try the difficult things. We will definitely have that with Twine. He will try things. They won’t always come off, but when they do we will find ourselves in good attacking positions. And once we get those runners outside him, I can’t wait!! 

We've got the runners, they just need to know its worth making those runs..... they will now.

Also that step over 2nd half that ran through to Tommy, chefs kiss moment but very subtle.

The link up play that he will create, once the rest understand/trust him will see City become the best team I have ever seen.  Even if it is only until the end of this season.

[Shauntaylor85]

37 minutes ago, Puckle_red said:

I'm not sure what that is so it's gone over my head! 

Paterson was underrated here, a clever player, technically gifted, could use both feet, score goals, create goals. Often labelled with going missing but I just didnt see that at all. 

Twine was ok today, but hopefully can prove to be as useful as Paterson was. 

One other thing, LM said playing on the left doesn't get the best out of him, and ok, he wasn't hugging the touchline, but he was definitely left of centre.

Really dislike the way we set up and play under Manning, it’s square pegs in round holes, so predictable. Nige would be shaking his head and laughing. I’m sure we will soon recruit a loan physio again……

[Ally1971]

39 minutes ago, Puckle_red said:

I'm not sure what that is so it's gone over my head! 

Paterson was underrated here, a clever player, technically gifted, could use both feet, score goals, create goals. Often labelled with going missing but I just didnt see that at all. 

Twine was ok today, but hopefully can prove to be as useful as Paterson was. 

One other thing, LM said playing on the left doesn't get the best out of him, and ok, he wasn't hugging the touchline, but he was definitely left of centre.

I am a big critic of JP, definitely saw him as a 1 in 5 player (sorry) but see Scot Twine as a step up, where Paterson failed, Twine will succeed in crafting openings on a regular basis where JP had his best games when he felt he had to prove something, like game at Wigan away after loan at Derby.

Twine just needs to played his best position and has a coach that trusts him - ️ and️

[Rocking Red Cyril]

Yeah all positive.itd going to time to settle. But I feel a really positive loan.

 

 

[Keep the Faith]

Not entirely sure what people want from a debut other than a goal, someone who made us seriously dangerous from set pieces for the first time in donkeys years and generally made a nuisance of himself high up the park. 
 

He wasn’t perfect and tried a lot of things that didn’t come off. I was happy he was trying. If he is type of player and style of play Manning wants I’m in.

[Mr Popodopolous]

37 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Really dislike the way we set up and play under Manning, it’s square pegs in round holes, so predictable. Nige would be shaking his head and laughing. I’m sure we will soon recruit a loan physio again……

Yeah, this is a small red flag to me.

Tanner-Vyner-Dickie

All right footed to some degree.

Tanner not a natural CB.

Perhaps these factors are overstated but to me a back 3 shouldn't be considered until Naismith and Atkinson fully fit.

Assuming Sykes back before those 2.

                    O'Leary

Tanner/McCrorie Vyner Dickie Pring

         Williams James/TGH

  Sykes          Knight           Twine

                     Conway

By no means perfect but surely more aligned than the current setup in some ways.

Edited January 20 by Mr Popodopolous

[formerly known as ivan]

Does Mehmeti’s development get blocked by Twine’s short term stay here? Personally I thought Mehmeti was have his best run of games for us since you joined a year ago.

I was surprised to see Mehmeti not play any part today. Thought he could have come on for Knight and add spark in the last 10/15 mins or so.

[RollsRoyce]

2 hours ago, Harry said:

Naturally I was very impressed with Twine. 
Lots of comments about his set pieces, which of course will generally be bang on the money. 
But plenty of people saying they thought his ‘general’ play was lacking. 
Not sure what you guys were watching to be honest. 
What I saw was the first time we’ve had a player in bloody years who can find the central spaces behind the striker, receive the ball facing his own goal (which enables the CB’s and CM’s to find a forward pass), control that ball and turn, and make another forward pass. 
It’s how we break the lines and it’s how we’ve always said LM wants to play - but we were always missing that number 10. 
 

If people don’t think his general play was that good then they just have missed that dozen times he dropped into the hole and enabled us to pass it out. 

His strength will come when we have the patterns that will see the wide players making the third man runs once the ball goes into Twine. Because he will be able to turn and feed the ball forward. 
Sometimes he doesn’t even need to turn - 2nd half he came short for a ball from Dickie, had a man up his backside, but managed to flick a first time pass round the corner straight to Conways feet in the centre circle. 
We’ve not had this type of vision and execution from anyone for a long time - someone offering an option for a pass out from the back AND being able to control it and continue to play forwards. 
 

Yes, some of the passes he attempts will not come off. But that’s what a creative player has to do. They have to attempt the ball that might only come of 3 times out of 10. That’s what coaches call “being brave with the ball”. It’s taking the opportunity/responsibility to try the difficult things. We will definitely have that with Twine. He will try things. They won’t always come off, but when they do we will find ourselves in good attacking positions. And once we get those runners outside him, I can’t wait!! 

In the first half, he passed to a Watford player 5 out of 6. attempts Not sure what you were watching to be honest. I get the positives, they were there,  but the selective appraisal is weird. 

[Harry]

10 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

In the first half, he passed to a Watford player 5 out of 6. attempts Not sure what you were watching to be honest. I get the positives, they were there,  but the selective appraisal is weird. 

He made 23 passes. 
His Key Passes stat was 6. 
6 key passes out of 23 passes is bloody well good enough for me. 
So is 6 accurate crosses out of 10. 
That Key Pass stat is higher than any of our players have achieved all season. 
But don’t worry, he gave the ball away 5 times.

 

[exAtyeoMax]

5 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Does Mehmeti’s development get blocked by Twine’s short term stay here? Personally I thought Mehmeti was have his best run of games for us since you joined a year ago.

I was surprised to see Mehmeti not play any part today. Thought he could have come on for Knight and add spark in the last 10/15 mins or so.

I thought Mehmeti was going to come on. But we did wonder if he didn’t because Scott was cup tied and they were resting Anis for next week? 

[Gratz260689]

I’m lost, why is everyone crying about him being here for just 4 months? Is there absolute 0 chance of us signing him for next season? If so then excuse me, but I haven’t seen anything to say that we won’t be able to sign him come the end of season, he’s way down the pecking order at Burnley and if they are to get relegated they will have more money to spend again next season which no doubt they will. He hardly played last season from them in the championship. 

[Silvio Dante]

6 hours ago, Harry said:

He made 23 passes. 
His Key Passes stat was 6. 
6 key passes out of 23 passes is bloody well good enough for me. 
So is 6 accurate crosses out of 10. 
That Key Pass stat is higher than any of our players have achieved all season. 
But don’t worry, he gave the ball away 5 times.

 

H - watching with naked eye (and again I think/hope it’s a wavelength thing), I do struggle to remember what from open play could be classed as a key pass (and my determination of that is that it’s either an assist to a chance or an “assist to an assist”) - therefore the number here does surprise me.

Im not doubting its providence, but is it a case that it includes key passes from set pieces and is therefore a bit of the same angle on what’s being said (ie as a minimum McCrorie should have scored from a corner - key pass - from Twine and Dickie nearly did). If it’s fully open play, I didn’t see that volume of key passes.

[Sir Geoff]

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

H - watching with naked eye (and again I think/hope it’s a wavelength thing), I do struggle to remember what from open play could be classed as a key pass (and my determination of that is that it’s either an assist to a chance or an “assist to an assist”) - therefore the number here does surprise me.

Im not doubting its providence, but is it a case that it includes key passes from set pieces and is therefore a bit of the same angle on what’s being said (ie as a minimum McCrorie should have scored from a corner - key pass - from Twine and Dickie nearly did). If it’s fully open play, I didn’t see that volume of key passes.

With you. Harry makes it sound like Hoddle was in the middle of the park spraying passes around for fun.

[Charlie BCFC]

Set pieces were excellent and obviously nice to get a goal on his debut. In possession in open play he wasn’t at his best but we know he can get better and I look forward to see him against Coventry 

[Buster Footman's T shirt]

13 hours ago, 38MC said:

Trait wise he reminded me of more advanced playing Charlie Adam in a lot of ways - bloody good set piece, lots of desire, good brain. But a Charlie Adam whose limit is the Championship; not Liverpool. 

For a sensible price he’d be a very good addition. But I don’t think there’s any chance we’d get him for what I think would be a sensible price. 

I think it’s a clever loan move though. I think the way Manning wants us to play requires a player like him. Manning and Twine can start working with and training our forward players to adapt to the movement and running patterns that will be required of them, and then in the summer go and find a similar player at a more reasonable fee. 

I agree with this. The problem as I see it and has been mentioned is that to play this system well you need very good players. Look at the difference for example between Russell Martin at Swansea and at Southampton. Same style and processes. Different outcomes. I would argue that the difference is the quality of players in the two sides.  

To be successful at this level with the style the board want will require us to have more players of the level of Scott Twine. By their nature they will cost, both in fee and wages. Can you really see this regime going out and spending that on 4 or 5 players of that level? 

We need a Scott Twine 'type' player. Ww currently have the ultimate Scott Twine 'type' player in the man himself. However we are unwilling/unable to afford him. I don't know how we square that circle other than adopting a more pragmatic style. However that is not why LM was employed. The club knew what his style was and have backed it. Let's see if they are really serious or not

[Silvio Dante]

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

H - watching with naked eye (and again I think/hope it’s a wavelength thing), I do struggle to remember what from open play could be classed as a key pass (and my determination of that is that it’s either an assist to a chance or an “assist to an assist”) - therefore the number here does surprise me.

Im not doubting its providence, but is it a case that it includes key passes from set pieces and is therefore a bit of the same angle on what’s being said (ie as a minimum McCrorie should have scored from a corner - key pass - from Twine and Dickie nearly did). If it’s fully open play, I didn’t see that volume of key passes.

 

26 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

With you. Harry makes it sound like Hoddle was in the middle of the park spraying passes around for fun.

To answer my own question here’s the confirmation from the Evening Post

 

[Rob k]

1 minute ago, Buster Footman's T shirt said:

I agree with this. The problem as I see it and has been mentioned is that to play this system well you need very good players. Look at the difference for example between Russell Martin at Swansea and at Southampton. Same style and processes. Different outcomes. I would argue that the difference is the quality of players in the two sides.  

To be successful at this level with the style the board want will require us to have more players of the level of Scott Twine. By their nature they will cost, both in fee and wages. Can you really see this regime going out and spending that on 4 or 5 players of that level? 

We need a Scott Twine 'type' player. Ww currently have the ultimate Scott Twine 'type' player in the man himself. However we are unwilling/unable to afford him. I don't know how we square that circle other than adopting a more pragmatic style. However that is not why LM was employed. The club knew what his style was and have backed it. Let's see if they are really serious or not

They will be desperate for Manning to succeed. I think they will find a way to finance this deal If Manning believes hes the player that will make the difference. The only thing that will get in the way is Burnley’s relegation 

[Buster Footman's T shirt]

Just now, Rob k said:

They will be desperate for Manning to succeed. I think they will find a way to finance this deal If Manning believes hes the player that will make the difference. The only thing that will get in the way is Burnley’s relegation 

I think that is true. However we will need 3 or 4 players of this level to be consistent over a whole season

[Johnny Musicworks]

Undoubtedly his distribution from open play was very poor yesterday but that I think will improve massively once our players start adapting to his ability. Our style has until now been very predictable and easy to set up against. He adds extra attacking options that we have not had. The half time analysis against West Ham identified how many times our players failed to spot the runs Conway was making. Twine will improve that and improve goal opportunities for Tommy.

As for the loan deal, Whilst we wanted a permanent or a loan-to-buy like TGH I see this more as a ‘Try before we buy’ option which serves to convince us to spend the money in the Summer when many anticipate the purse-strings will be loosened.

[The Swan and Cemetery]

12 hours ago, Puckle_red said:

I'm not sure what that is so it's gone over my head! 

Paterson was underrated here, a clever player, technically gifted, could use both feet, score goals, create goals. Often labelled with going missing but I just didnt see that at all. 

Twine was ok today, but hopefully can prove to be as useful as Paterson was. 

One other thing, LM said playing on the left doesn't get the best out of him, and ok, he wasn't hugging the touchline, but he was definitely left of centre.

Thanks @Puckle_red, fair points. For better/worse I’m in the “JP went missing” and was way too hot/cold camp, hence hoping Twine isn’t like JP. Accept that maybe me missing what JP brought, just hope we don’t get into “Twine is making passes his teammates aren’t good enough to understand” etc territory. Not saying you’re saying this, but sometimes players who have greater technical ability get an easy ride in my view - it’s a team sport, if your teammates aren’t up to your level, adjust. Overall, whilst I wouldn’t quite give Twine the review @Harry did, thought there was plenty shown to be very optimistic (and still be a bit disappointed it’s not perm/definitively with an option to buy). 

[petehinton]

11 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Does Mehmeti’s development get blocked by Twine’s short term stay here? Personally I thought Mehmeti was have his best run of games for us since you joined a year ago.

I was surprised to see Mehmeti not play any part today. Thought he could have come on for Knight and add spark in the last 10/15 mins or so.

My 2 + 2 that twine can’t play Friday, so was making sure he got as many minutes as possible and keeps anis ‘Fresh’. 
 

Although is something quite funny about how much was made of his “changing” of Mehmeti, wanted to sign him at Oxford, new lease of life etc and then he’s signed over with the very first player

[sh1t_ref_again]

15 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

For what seems the fifteenth time. Nobody is doubting the quality of the player or the fact he improves our squad, and nobody that I’ve seen is unhappy he’s here.

All anyone is saying is that it may give us a short term boost but may not be sensible long term (both in terms of cost and “starting over”) particularly as this season is not going to result in anything bar mid table. The fact that some won’t accept that’s a valid point is the thing that’s probably more bizarre.

Think there has been a lot of moaning and negativity about bring in a loan, something that all other clubs do much more than us

So we may as well just give up on the season, don't worry about trying to score goals or entertain the crowd as the playoffs are out of reach

Why, because a player we could only agree to loan at this time, who may or may not be here next season, who is only likely to cost us a relatively small amount as we have offset some of the wages by loaning AW, who could not be signed permanently at this time or he starting over, true Mehmeti did not get on yesterday, but not sure LM see's him in the same role as Twine or have not seen any youngsters ready to step up into a position that is clearly needed to play LM style.

Sorry I cannot see the big issue with taking a good player on loan, who we may still sign, that will improve us even if we are likely to end mid table

 

 

[2015]

We will benefit more from Twine when Sykes returns imo. Didn't think Twine played that badly. Brilliant deliveries from set pieces, scored  goal. Few passes went astray, but same could be said for the whole side yesterday. 6.5/10 for me.

[Davefevs]

11 hours ago, Harry said:

He made 23 passes. 
His Key Passes stat was 6. 
6 key passes out of 23 passes is bloody well good enough for me. 
So is 6 accurate crosses out of 10. 
That Key Pass stat is higher than any of our players have achieved all season. 
But don’t worry, he gave the ball away 5 times.

 

I think the point is that those “key passes”, “assists” came from predominantly set-pieces.

He did ok in general play imho, learning to link up, unsurprisingly.

Encouraging?  Yes.

Passes:

Duels:

Lost Possession:

Passes Received:

For me it was a mixed performance, made better by set-piece delivery…which I’m sure is one of the reasons we’ve signed him.  But imho I will expect more as he becomes accustomed to his teammates.

 

 

[Lew-T]

Just need big Rob back for the set pieces, and Sykes to make the runs.

Then we’ll take the lot.

[JP Hampton]

17 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

I thought it looked as though he needs to adjust to new team mates. I agree the vision was good and he attempted some passes that, if they came off, would have been great. But some were too far behind or too far ahead of others. Maybe our players need to learn him as well? 

Think it’s actually a bit of both. What it did show yesterday is that we seem to finally have someone, who is giving some service to our forwards, hence the 16 shots etc.

i think it’s more a case of our players adapting to Twine though. 

[ExiledAjax]

9 minutes ago, JP Hampton said:

Think it’s actually a bit of both. What it did show yesterday is that we seem to finally have someone, who is giving some service to our forwards, hence the 16 shots etc.

i think it’s more a case of our players adapting to Twine though. 

Agree, and it is great to have someone who's able to see the pass and be brave enough to try it. 

[JP Hampton]

Just now, ExiledAjax said:

Agree, and it is great to have someone who's able to see the pass and be brave enough to try it. 

Exactly. Our boys will soon wake up and realise what Twine is capable of. 
 

[JP Hampton]

21 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think the point is that those “key passes”, “assists” came from predominantly set-pieces.

He did ok in general play imho, learning to link up, unsurprisingly.

Encouraging?  Yes.

Passes:

Duels:

Lost Possession:

Passes Received:

For me it was a mixed performance, made better by set-piece delivery…which I’m sure is one of the reasons we’ve signed him.  But imho I will expect more as he becomes accustomed to his teammates.

 

 

I wonder how many of the unsuccessful passes, were  actually down to other player errors, simply not reading the game and not seeing what Twine was seeing was possible and therefore not making the run in time. 
 Either way as you say a good debut and definite potential.

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, JP Hampton said:

I wonder how many of the unsuccessful passes, were  actually down to other player errors, simply not reading the game and not seeing what Twine was seeing was possible and therefore not making the run in time. 
 Either way as you say a good debut and definite potential.

I could go back and look at them all, but there were at least 3 where he tried chipped passes beyond the back line that fell short / cleared away.

[JP Hampton]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I could go back and look at them all, but there were at least 3 where he tried chipped passes beyond the back line that fell short / cleared away.

Run out of

 Will be very interesting to see how things progress. 

[George Rs]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I could go back and look at them all, but there were at least 3 where he tried chipped passes beyond the back line that fell short / cleared away.

Screamed of someone who still needs to learn his teammates imo. A number of times he passed it behind a player predicting they would come short for the ball and they didn’t. Also tried to slip players behind the defense when they weren’t making the run. 
 

 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

17 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yeah, this is a small red flag to me.

Tanner-Vyner-Dickie

All right footed to some degree.

Tanner not a natural CB.

Perhaps these factors are overstated but to me a back 3 shouldn't be considered until Naismith and Atkinson fully fit.

Assuming Sykes back before those 2.

                    O'Leary

Tanner/McCrorie Vyner Dickie Pring

         Williams James/TGH

  Sykes          Knight           Twine

                     Conway

By no means perfect but surely more aligned than the current setup in some ways.

No Atkinson?

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

No Atkinson?

He isn't fit yet is he?

Am trying to work a side with the current likely available players and working on the basis that Sykes will be fit and match fit before Atkinson or Naismith.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

He isn't fit yet is he?

Am trying to work a side with the current likely available players and working on the basis that Sykes will be fit and match fit before Atkinson or Naismith.

Okies

I let you off then ?

[Ska Junkie]

Given we played on Tuesday, wouldn't have trained much on Wednesday nor probably too hard on Thursday, I would suggest he hasn't spent time 'on the grass' as LM puts it, with the majority of the first team players.

Given that, I was not disappointed with ST and look forward to seeing what comes when he, and the forwards, learn each others game.

Edited January 21 by Ska Junkie

[1960maaan]

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

He isn't fit yet is he?

Am trying to work a side with the current likely available players and working on the basis that Sykes will be fit and match fit before Atkinson or Naismith.

It was good to see big Rob involved in the video, but I think the plan was always Feb.
Naismith hasn't even been given a timeframe has he ?
Sykes I thought was close, but I don't think I've seen him mentioned lately.

With a fully fit squad I can see the 3 working, but I was surprised we didn't go back to a 4 Saturday.

[BCFC11]

Heard from someone today that he’s picked up an injury and is going to be out for a while.

Hoping it’s not true

[Loosey Boy]

18 minutes ago, BCFC11 said:

Heard from someone today that he’s picked up an injury and is going to be out for a while.

Hoping it’s not true

I do hope that this isn’t true - would be just our luck!

 

[Port Said Red]

On 21/01/2024 at 17:06, Mr Popodopolous said:

He isn't fit yet is he?

Am trying to work a side with the current likely available players and working on the basis that Sykes will be fit and match fit before Atkinson or Naismith.

Rob officially joins the "fit squad" on the 28th. He'll need some minutes presumably but the next two U21 games are away and as a general rule they don't like to play returning players in away fixtures. Maybe he will get some minutes off the bench or in a behind closed doors game?

[Back of the Dolman]

14 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Rob officially joins the "fit squad" on the 28th. He'll need some minutes presumably but the next two U21 games are away and as a general rule they don't like to play returning players in away fixtures. Maybe he will get some minutes off the bench or in a behind closed doors game?

Be great to have Rob back in the team, especially if the plan is to stick with three at the back as he’ll be the natural left sided defender.

Love to see both big Robs attacking Twines dead ball kicks 

[bcfc01]

1 hour ago, BCFC11 said:

Heard from someone today that he’s picked up an injury and is going to be out for a while.

Hoping it’s not true

Who ?

Atkinson, Sykes, or Twine ?

[Super]

12 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Who ?

Atkinson, Sykes, or Twine ?

Obviously Twine he's been here for long enough now!

[BCFC11]

17 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Who ?

Atkinson, Sykes, or Twine ?

Twine

[Sleepy1968]

Not seen it mentioned (so I prolly just missed it) but Scott Twine made the EFL team of the week

see here

Well done Scott.

[Kibs]

1 hour ago, BCFC11 said:

Heard from someone today that he’s picked up an injury and is going to be out for a while.

Hoping it’s not true

Would just about sum up our luck with injuries wouldn’t it!!! 

[Ska Junkie]

1 hour ago, Kibs said:

Would just about sum up our luck with injuries wouldn’t it!!! 

He can't play on Friday anyway.

[Harry]

On 21/01/2024 at 07:11, Silvio Dante said:

H - watching with naked eye (and again I think/hope it’s a wavelength thing), I do struggle to remember what from open play could be classed as a key pass (and my determination of that is that it’s either an assist to a chance or an “assist to an assist”) - therefore the number here does surprise me.

Im not doubting its providence, but is it a case that it includes key passes from set pieces and is therefore a bit of the same angle on what’s being said (ie as a minimum McCrorie should have scored from a corner - key pass - from Twine and Dickie nearly did). If it’s fully open play, I didn’t see that volume of key passes.

Sorry Silvio I completely missed this reply. 
Yes, I certainly acknowledge that the key passes referenced were from set pieces. 
My initial response where I mentioned this was to the poster who basically said “oh, he gave it away every time”. I was simply saying “well his performance was good enough for me”. 

My main point in my first post on this thread was that he allowed us to play differently. He offered a pass to feet in central areas. Thats the big thing that’s been missing from our game for a long long time. 
I wouldn’t say my praise of Twine was overly gushing - it was just that I saw his ability to offer something different.  
Yes, he did give the ball away a number of times - actually more than he normally would to be fair, and about 8 of those were in the first 20 minutes, so perhaps he can be excused for having only had 1 training session with the team prior to going straight into the lineup. 
 

I’ve watched the game back now and I counted 13 times where Twine was able to receive a ball to feet, facing his own goal. Thats the missing link. Thats what will allow us to play quicker from the back. We haven’t seen those sort of numbers in years! Once he gets familiar with his teammates he should be able to succeed in a few more passes. 

[FNQ]

8 hours ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Not seen it mentioned (so I prolly just missed it) but Scott Twine made the EFL team of the week

see here

Well done Scott.

Well done indeed.. there’s a lot of midfield talent to compete against up there in the top end of the championship ️. Quite a debut..

[maxjak]

12 hours ago, FNQ said:

Well done indeed.. there’s a lot of midfield talent to compete against up there in the top end of the championship ️. Quite a debut..

They obviously studied his display in detail? ........Apparently he found the back of the net with one of his two shots?   Liquid football?

[FNQ]

35 minutes ago, maxjak said:

They obviously studied his display in detail? ........Apparently he found the back of the net with one of his two shots?   Liquid football?

You obviously studied him and see things differently then? In his one game for us while learning to fit in with his new team mates, and in addition to making that EFL team of the week, he’s already scored more goals this season than Joe and is now level with TGH, Anis and Harry. He is a better player than what we’ve got and therefore is the type of player that we need. Turn that frown upside down

[TDarwall]

I take little notice of the various teams of the week. In Twine's case (as is often) a goal gets them noticed hence they get it.

I thought it was a very decent debut, could / should have had another goal & offers something a bit different to the others. However without that goal he wouldn't be in the team of the week.

My only concern is that I hope he doesn't block Mehmeti, who for me, has been looking much better in the recent games.

[maxjak]

5 hours ago, FNQ said:

You obviously studied him and see things differently then? In his one game for us while learning to fit in with his new team mates, and in addition to making that EFL team of the week, he’s already scored more goals this season than Joe and is now level with TGH, Anis and Harry. He is a better player than what we’ve got and therefore is the type of player that we need. Turn that frown upside down

What frown?.........i was making the point that he scored with a "HEADER" and not a shot........so they couldn't have studied very closely?  I want us to sign him permanently, but am concerned that we might not be able to?

[MarcusX]

8 hours ago, maxjak said:

What frown?.........i was making the point that he scored with a "HEADER" and not a shot........so they couldn't have studied very closely?  I want us to sign him permanently, but am concerned that we might not be able to?

Are you saying a header isn't a shot?

[maxjak]

5 hours ago, MarcusX said:

Are you saying a header isn't a shot?

It's a question of semantics..............you can call it whatever you like.   But when i played football, if a high cross came over.....I never heard anyone shout "Shoot it " ?   

Edited January 26 by maxjak

[The Journalist]

11 minutes ago, maxjak said:

It's a question of semantics..............you can call it whatever you like.   But when i played football, if a high cross came over.....I never heard anyone shout "Shoot it " ?   

To be fair, if a low cross came in I never heard anyone shout "shoot it" either.

[Back of the Dolman]

1 hour ago, The Journalist said:

To be fair, if a low cross came in I never heard anyone shout "shoot it" either.

I like to think my teammates knew what to do in those circumstances without me telling them.

For betting purposes a header will be classed as a shot on target

[ExiledAjax]

2 hours ago, Back of the Dolman said:

For betting purposes a header will be classed as a shot on target

For all purposes it will be a shot on target.

Opta defines a shot on target as any goal attempt that is a clear attempt to score that would have gone into the net but for being saved by the goalkeeper or is stopped by a player who is the last-man with the goalkeeper having no chance of preventing the goal.

Nothing about whic part of the body is used to make the the attempt.

[maxjak]

2 hours ago, Back of the Dolman said:

I like to think my teammates knew what to do in those circumstances without me telling them.

For betting purposes a header will be classed as a shot on target

So in your football career...up front or at the back....you never once heard someone shout......"Head it"   ?   You realise your unique?   Ha!      Anyway, Whatever, seems like i've started a pedant's paradise?

Edited January 26 by maxjak

[joe jordans teeth]

Never seen a thread with such nonsense when I haven’t been involved 

[MarcusX]

4 hours ago, maxjak said:

It's a question of semantics..............you can call it whatever you like.   But when i played football, if a high cross came over.....I never heard anyone shout "Shoot it " ?   

Semantics, or definitions I guess. It’s a shot on target, so it’s a shot.

56 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

For all purposes it will be a shot on target.

Opta defines a shot on target as any goal attempt that is a clear attempt to score that would have gone into the net but for being saved by the goalkeeper or is stopped by a player who is the last-man with the goalkeeper having no chance of preventing the goal.

Nothing about whic part of the body is used to make the the attempt.

Let’s not get into the ones that bookies have avoided paying out on that they didn’t class as “shots” 

[ExiledAjax]

3 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Let’s not get into the ones that bookies have avoided paying out on that they didn’t class as “shots” 

Presumably they have their own discretion over what exactly qualifies as a "clear" attempt to score.

[maxjak]

52 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Semantics, or definitions I guess. It’s a shot on target, so it’s a shot.

Let’s not get into the ones that bookies have avoided paying out on that they didn’t class as “shots” 

Quite honestly i am bored of this now.........there really are some sad people around?

[Slack]

Heard a rumour he's injured, is this true?

[Slack]

Ignore found the same apparently out for rest of season?!

[Back of the Dolman]

5 hours ago, maxjak said:

So in your football career...up front or at the back....you never once heard someone shout......"Head it"   ?   You realise you’re unique?   Ha!      Anyway, Whatever, seems like i've started a pedant's 

 

Edited January 26 by Back of the Dolman
Posted in error

[Andy082005]

3 hours ago, Slack said:

Heard a rumour he's injured, is this true?

Possibly yeah 

[Curr Avon]

Only rumours right now. Some have said that Twine was out on the grass training normally today. If there was any substance to the 'story', you'd have thought it would have easily leaked here, similar to the Afobe incident in 2019. My advice, believe nothing until its official.

Edited January 27 by Curr Avon

[Loosey Boy]

1 minute ago, Curr Avon said:

Only rumours right now. Some have said that Twine was out on the grass training normally today. If there was any substance to the 'story', you'd have thought it would have easily leeked here, similar to the Afobe incident in 2019. My advice, believe nothing until its official.

Hope this is true (that he was training today) as had heard that he’d picked up a Quad injury…