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That’s actually a really sensible deal.

We want the player and the risk is that if Derby go up he decides to stay there

Derby want promotion above all else so wouldn’t want to let the player go

We’d have to pay compensation in the summer.

So, what we do is offer Derby a bit more than the likely compensation figure in the summer to take out the possibility of the deal being off and allow him to stay. Removes our risk of the deal being off in the summer and lets them achieve their aim of keeping him for a promotion push. The alternate would have been a silly offer for him to come here now into a team that’s not going up or down.

I think it’s a decently constructed deal on the whole. Long term view taken and allows securing of a summer target.

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A weird one on every level

We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF,  monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money.

 

From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years?

WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD

Only winners are Derby here 

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1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

That’s actually a really sensible deal.

We want the player and the risk is that if Derby go up he decides to stay there

Derby want promotion above all else so wouldn’t want to let the player go

We’d have to pay compensation in the summer.

So, what we do is offer Derby a bit more than the likely compensation figure in the summer to take out the possibility of the deal being off and allow him to stay. Removes our risk of the deal being off in the summer and lets them achieve their aim of keeping him for a promotion push. The alternate would have been a silly offer for him to come here now into a team that’s not going up or down.

I think it’s a decently constructed deal on the whole. Long term view taken and allows securing of a summer target.

Bingo and it allows us not to be blown out of the water in the summer by a relegated prem team or something too. It is smart business imo. Obviously depending on the fee too but if it guarantees a signature from possibly out top summer target then it makes sense

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1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said:

A weird one on every level

We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF,  monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money.

 

From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years?

WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD

Only winners are Derby here 

Nope.

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1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said:

A weird one on every level

We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF,  monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money.

 

From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years?

WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD

Only winners are Derby here 

We wouldn't have got him for free in the summer

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Just now, cidercity1987 said:

A weird one on every level

We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF,  monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money.

 

From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years?

WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD

Only winners are Derby here 

We wouldn’t be getting him for nothing in the summer. 
 

The amount of games he’s played already, Derby would have been due a hefty compensation sum.

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4 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

That’s actually a really sensible deal.

We want the player and the risk is that if Derby go up he decides to stay there

Derby want promotion above all else so wouldn’t want to let the player go

We’d have to pay compensation in the summer.

So, what we do is offer Derby a bit more than the likely compensation figure in the summer to take out the possibility of the deal being off and allow him to stay. Removes our risk of the deal being off in the summer and lets them achieve their aim of keeping him for a promotion push. The alternate would have been a silly offer for him to come here now into a team that’s not going up or down.

I think it’s a decently constructed deal on the whole. Long term view taken and allows securing of a summer target.

Don’t really see what’s in it for the player, must be a decent contract offer?

It’s good for us as it’s secured someone who we clearly rate, who may have more options / better contract offer / ambition to say after promotion in the summer 

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Weird one but could be smart depending on the fee...

I've not listened to Mannings presa conference but the narrative on there suggested he was frustrated at a player not signing in time to play tomorrow. Implies another is due unless the terms of this deal were changed last minute to get it done 

 

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I can actually understand it from our perspective (a number of key potentially high earning midfielders OOC in the summer), and from Derbys perspective too.

What’s in it for the player though? 

Some advantages I suppose (security) but you’d imagine he would have plenty of choice in the summer. 

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Just now, Kibs said:

I can actually understand it from our perspective, and from Derbys.

What’s in it for the player though? 

Some advantages I suppose (security) but you’d imagine he would have plenty of choice in the summer. 

Perhaps he rates us, our manager and our chances next season 

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1 minute ago, MarcusX said:

Don’t really see what’s in it for the player, must be a decent contract offer?

It’s good for us as it’s secured someone who we clearly rate, who may have more options / better contract offer / ambition to say after promotion in the summer 

Even he stayed at Derby and got a pay rise that would match our wage offer, he would miss out on a signing on fee, which could be quite a good amount.

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8 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

A weird one on every level

We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF,  monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money.

 

From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years?

WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD

Only winners are Derby here 

But he would not be free in the summer. A tribunal would set a fee and we could lose out to another club. If he was a big summer target and we've got it done in Feb, smart business TBH.

I agree that the scenario that could play out, where he gets Derby promoted into the league of the club he is about to join, and he still then departs his childhood club, would be odd and almost unprecedented.

But then, maybe he wants to try something new and we are offering better contractual terms. 

If I was a Derby fan, or if a player did that to us - I would be very bemused.

However, for us, a great signing. 

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1 minute ago, MarcusX said:

Don’t really see what’s in it for the player, must be a decent contract offer?

It’s good for us as it’s secured someone who we clearly rate, who may have more options / better contract offer / ambition to say after promotion in the summer 

Security. He’s got a deal agreed with a club at the next level when he could easily get injured/form off cliff and value (wage wise) fall down.

I think people need to view this as if we’d signed a pre contract for a (say) Ligue 1 midfielder. To all intents and purposes it’s the same kind of deal.

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4 minutes ago, Kibs said:

I can actually understand it from our perspective (a number of key potentially high earning midfielders OOC in the summer), and from Derbys perspective too.

What’s in it for the player though? 

Some advantages I suppose (security) but you’d imagine he would have plenty of choice in the summer. 

Maybe Knight has talked up the squad and manager? Seeing us play well against West Ham. Not miles off playoffs now and he’d expect to make us better and he will play with James and King going. Probably Williams too I would think. After his injuries here he may just want to take his chances closes to home imo. 

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Just now, Dastardly and Muttley said:

Watch Derby wear him onto the ground now, playing through every niggle…

Then he has to refuse to play. What are they gonna do, terminate the loan? 🤣

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17 minutes ago, Jose said:

Wonder what sort of reception he will get from their fans. Especially if things start to go south. On the other hand could be in the same league next season 

Agreed ! Imagine if Tommy told us to do one and signed for a Prem club but then got loaned back until the summer ! Not sure he or anyone else would be welcomed with open arms ! 

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29 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Screams of a summer signing brought forward to me with the loan back enabling the deal.

Well, yeah obviously that too - I’m just tired and stressed and want to have a needless dig in peace!! 🤣🤣

 

insert old man yells at cloud meme

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I think if we buy and loan back, it’s about finishing the season now with what we got and already building for next year, higher up know already we ain’t going up, long way to go but it’s a long road to finish above where we are.

Had we won at Coventry I could see something else, but we threw it away, that’s football, 1 point over 3 can change everything. I want us to finish as high as we can but I think it’s too much, I’m City I always believe but I’m a realist too not defeatist  

prove me wrong City

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Not sure about this signing tbh. Is he actually better than James or Williams.  Looking at the Derby site, they were saying early January he was overrated. In fact, I quote, "...doesnt control the game from deep, not a very good tackler, not really a box to box midfielder and doesnt score that many"..... Looking at his record, cannot see what he is going to add. Maybe someone can access his individual stats. We really need players now and they need to improve what we have. Sorry, underwhelming for me. 

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So our window consists of permanently signing a player who was already here . Loaning in a player who is then injured until further notice . Signing two teenagers and loaning one straight back and signing a midfielder from Derby and loaning him straight back ! We’ve signed five players and only one is presently in the squad and even he gets suspended from next week !! Cushty 😂

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2 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Well, yeah obviously that too - I’m just tired and stressed and want to have a needless dig in peace!! 🤣🤣

 

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Seek help :thumbsup:

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Just now, cotswoldred2 said:

Very astute business, Prem like deal, but of course the fly in the ointment that the real footballing brains on here don't rate him. Obviously Manning does and that's good enough for me.

You can’t argue against the sages on here they are the wise ones , and everything they say is fact , not just their opinion 🙄

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1 minute ago, Cov 77 said:

Exactly as usual people who know **** all putting best gloss in it 

I'm definitely not ITK in any way whatsoever, pure guesswork on my part. I do enjoy the desperation from some of those that do pertain to be ITK though. 😉

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Just now, Slack Bladder said:

Another one for the future, then

Not really no.

He is 23 so a good age yet with reasonable room for growth.

He has League One plus solid Championship experience.

I've been a critic of the current structure but this could be an impressive addition.. Bird and Knight back together another positive.

Derby a Category One Academy too, all helps.

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You’re on a different planet if you think we’re going to pay anything like £2m for a player and loan him out anywhere, especially one that’s out of contract.

Derby wouldn’t get half of that at a tribunal in the summer

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4 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Derby fans in meltdown. Why Bristol City , ******* Bristol City etc etc. Love it 

Oxford and now Derby - niggle games due to player trading.

Bit like I hope we batter Ballmuff next time we get the pleasure to visit their little crappy place. They still wind me up, as many in the media  suggest they got into the premier league via hard work and a romance of good investment.

The reality is that they went all in - Promotion or major FFP breaches and go backwards 10 years. They got lucky. Wish it had badly backfired on them, and the Russian funding was properly reviewed. 

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4 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Bird fee believed to be £2.5m + appearances + 10% sell on 

Wells and Cornick spoken about on loan.

id imagine back in for smith as well. long night ahead

Only we could spunk out 2.5m on a player who isn't even going to play for us until he would have been out of contact anyway.....

Absolutely ******* bonkers!!

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6 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Bird fee believed to be £2.5m + appearances + 10% sell on 

Wells and Cornick spoken about on loan.

id imagine back in for smith as well. long night ahead

Smith?!

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1 minute ago, Galley is our king said:

Only we could spunk out 2.5m on a player who isn't even going to play for us until he would have been out of contact anyway.....

Absolutely ******* bonkers!!

You really think we'd pay 2.5m and let him back on loan ?

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Who on earth is Smith?

I read this as Bird was a player we wanted in the summer but would probably be outbid once he'sOOC, so we took a chance and went for it now.

If that's the case, we'll done City for taking an opportunity.

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1 minute ago, Sandhurst Red said:

Oxford and now Derby - niggle games due to player trading.

Bit like I hope we batter Ballmuff next time we get the pleasure to visit their little crappy place. They still wind me up, as many in the media  suggest they got into the premier league via hard work and a romance of good investment.

The reality is that they went all in - Promotion or major FFP breaches and go backwards 10 years. They got lucky. Wish it had badly backfired on them, and the Russian funding was properly reviewed. 

Bournemouth fans do have a strange take. One I follow proclaims that they were merely levelling the playing field via their 2015 overspend then another said, I saw on my feed, or inferred that they accidentally overspent??

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Just now, Galley is our king said:

Only we could spunk out 2.5m on a player who isn't even going to play for us until he would have been out of contact anyway.....

Absolutely ******* bonkers!!

There’s not a chance in hell we are spunking out anything like that , OOC in 5 months, just more know nothing people spouting crap 

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So we pay £2.5 million for a player we could get for free in the Summer? Take the risks of injury, loss of form etc.

Am I missing something? His agent wouldn’t take off £2.5 million from his players wage demands to compensate. 

Bonkers. 

So, basically, it seems we go with what we had at the start of the window. Ideal. Top 6 here we come, whereas I thought we were going to push the boat out on transfers to clinch one of the auto places. 

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11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Not really no.

He is 23 so a good age yet with reasonable room for growth.

He has League One plus solid Championship experience.

I've been a critic of the current structure but this could be an impressive addition.. Bird and Knight back together another positive.

Derby a Category One Academy too, all helps.

The best way to look at it is, we’ve identified Max Bird to be Matty James’ successor, succession planning is good and something that should be praised.

Derby were happy to risk waiting for the summer when they would have received a decent compensation package. 
We wouldn’t have been able to get the deal without the loan back being included so rather than risk losing someone that we clearly rate to a rival in the summer we’ve done a deal that suits both us and Derby. 
Had MB gone elsewhere in the summer, we could have ended up having to fork out more trying to get someone else to replace MJ. 

 

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Just now, RedRock said:

So we pay £2.5 million for a player we could get for free in the Summer? Take the risks of injury, loss of form etc.

Am I missing something? His agent wouldn’t take off £2.5 million from his players wage demands to compensate. 

Bonkers. 

So, basically, it seems we go with what we had at the start of the window. Ideal. Top 6 here we come, whereas I thought we were going to push the boat out on transfers to clinch one of the auto places. 

We wouldn’t have got him for free in the summer.

I’d be taking the £2.5m rumours with a huge pinch of salt.

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3 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:

What is it with signing someone and loaning them back ffs! If he can benefit us now then why isn’t he staying with us.

If we are doing this to ensure we get him before he is OOC in the summer, then he isn’t that bothered about signing for us to begin with surely if going elsewhere is a possibility???

It's more that I don't think Derby would have done the deal or would have demanded a notably bigger fee without..that's my take anyway.

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2 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Then wait to the summer and pay nothing then given that’s when we will have him anyway?

When we have competition and another club can come in and offer him £3k per week more?

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12 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said:

We wouldn’t have got him for free in the summer.

I’d be taking the £2.5m rumours with a huge pinch of salt.

And so could about another 10 championship clubs city are obviously trying to steal a march on there rivals for him  aren't they it's clever planning especially with James King and Williams leaving in the summer 

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