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2 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Was it city 0 wolves 6 in bennys first game, the wolfie game? Or had we just got smashed away at bradford, can’t remember which one was his first!

Benny was well ahead of his time. 

Did he come in here as Director of Football? When that was unheard of in the English game at the time? 

Would probably have done well to have kept him here. 

 

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5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, you can’t tar a player after one appearance.  

I agree Dave you can’t.

But it’s fair to say It was a shit performance in a shit team performance. If the kid is a shit player we will see! 
 

I’m hoping not.
 

I wonder how Mr Engval is getting on these days@Engvall’s Splinter any clues? 

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3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Benny was well ahead of his time. 

Did he come in here as Director of Football? When that was unheard of in the English game at the time? 

Would probably have done well to have kept him here. 

 

He was terrible! Weve been pretty crap ever since as well.

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3 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

He was terrible! Weve been pretty crap ever since as well.

Tbf we were crap! 

His ideas about football were ahead of its time and that's why I think we would have done well to have kept him around. Especially considering what then followed! 

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1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Tbf we were crap! 

His ideas about football were ahead of its time and that's why I think we would have done well to have kept him around. Especially considering what then followed! 

We spent all the money on forwards then bought carl hutchings to run the midfield as far as i remember!

im not sure benny really had any success anywhere after us, certainly not in a mainstream european league, funny how we all remember things?!

 

 

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Just now, Simon bristol said:

We spent all the money on forwards then bought carl hutchings to run the midfield as far as i remember!

im not sure benny really had any success anywhere after us, certainly not in a mainstream european league, funny how we all remember things?!

 

 

I’ll say the same thing I always say when Benny comes up. He was never brought into be manager and only had to do so when Ward threw his toys out of the pram, having asked for help then not liking the help given as he wanted Ray Harford.

The recruitment in the summer prior was poor. Replacing an injured Shaun Taylor with Julian Watts being notable, and we didn’t need to sign all three of Akinbiyi, Thorpe and Andersen. That was under Ward, but common consensus is Scott Davison signed Thorpe even though he wasn’t needed.

Bennys job that he was recruited for was to reshape the club outside the first team. And he did that - that batch of Matt Hill, Aaron Brown etc were a batch that came through with the work Benny did.

And after leaving us far from no success he took over Viking and led them to top three finishes in the league and a cup win - signing Ben Wright from city and knocking Chelsea out of the UEFA cup.

Benny was a damn good football man misused by the club. And bizarrely he was taking us forward with a pathway (remember that) to the first team snd we threw that away for Pulis.

 

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Mbude's performance against QPR was embarrassingly mbade.

So far, he doesn't look worth anywhere near the fee quoted.

I believe there are several better players available out there for considerably less money.

Something is definitely wrong with our scouting and assessment set-up if Mbude was the best propect identified.

 

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30 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I’ll say the same thing I always say when Benny comes up. He was never brought into be manager and only had to do so when Ward threw his toys out of the pram, having asked for help then not liking the help given as he wanted Ray Harford.

The recruitment in the summer prior was poor. Replacing an injured Shaun Taylor with Julian Watts being notable, and we didn’t need to sign all three of Akinbiyi, Thorpe and Andersen. That was under Ward, but common consensus is Scott Davison signed Thorpe even though he wasn’t needed.

Bennys job that he was recruited for was to reshape the club outside the first team. And he did that - that batch of Matt Hill, Aaron Brown etc were a batch that came through with the work Benny did.

And after leaving us far from no success he took over Viking and led them to top three finishes in the league and a cup win - signing Ben Wright from city and knocking Chelsea out of the UEFA cup.

Benny was a damn good football man misused by the club. And bizarrely he was taking us forward with a pathway (remember that) to the first team snd we threw that away for Pulis.

 

Yep that's exactly how I remember it. 

I couldn't quite remember the team he took over but I do remember watch a European game on TV. Completely forgot about Ben Wright til you mentioned his name. 

Should have kept Benny around in the role he was brought in to do. Instead it would take us many years for us to get back to that sort of set up and having that pathway. 

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Some of the comments on here about Mbude are utterly ridiculous 😂

The lads played about 45 minutes over two games, he’s on loan and if it doesn’t work out then no harm done

We’ve all been crying out for decent loans since Tammy and some work out and some don’t.

I’m more concerned about the players we have under contract who aren’t good enough that we just can’t shift on as easily as not signing a loan player permanently 

He may settle in and we’ll all be raving about him in a couple of games, if he pops up and scores the winner against Cardiff then we’ll all be cheering!

So let’s give the lad a chance 

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1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

I’ll say the same thing I always say when Benny comes up. He was never brought into be manager and only had to do so when Ward threw his toys out of the pram, having asked for help then not liking the help given as he wanted Ray Harford.

The recruitment in the summer prior was poor. Replacing an injured Shaun Taylor with Julian Watts being notable, and we didn’t need to sign all three of Akinbiyi, Thorpe and Andersen. That was under Ward, but common consensus is Scott Davison signed Thorpe even though he wasn’t needed.

Bennys job that he was recruited for was to reshape the club outside the first team. And he did that - that batch of Matt Hill, Aaron Brown etc were a batch that came through with the work Benny did.

And after leaving us far from no success he took over Viking and led them to top three finishes in the league and a cup win - signing Ben Wright from city and knocking Chelsea out of the UEFA cup.

Benny was a damn good football man misused by the club. And bizarrely he was taking us forward with a pathway (remember that) to the first team snd we threw that away for Pulis.

 

Perhaps we should have gone with ray harford then. Benny had been managing for years in scandinavia, there was no background as a director of football, or any other involvement in english football as far as i know. He had a decent career but matt hill was young and small and like a rabbit in the headlights in those first few games, aaron brown never progressed in the game and that season was a disaster that benny could do nothing to stop.  The only fight we showed under him was against a bloke dressed as a wolf!

as for mabude, the first thing tinnion said when the window ended was that we absolutely definitely are going to be looking for a striker in the summer, what we didnt need was a very young wide player who has barely played a first team game… what they were thinking ive no idea… they are supposed to be working constantly on their targets, so we are told on north korea tv.

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20 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Perhaps we should have gone with ray harford then. Benny had been managing for years in scandinavia, there was no background as a director of football, or any other involvement in english football as far as i know. He had a decent career but matt hill was young and small and like a rabbit in the headlights in those first few games, aaron brown never progressed in the game and that season was a disaster that benny could do nothing to stop.  The only fight we showed under him was against a bloke dressed as a wolf!

Not altogether my recollection.

The first 5 games were a catastrophe and defensively in particular 3 of them. The damage was done in a large way.

Thereafter we were often more competitive, harder to beat. We also rallied in April when Shaun Taylor returned, we did show some fight

Port Vale 2-0, Portsmouth (A) 1-0 (laat minute winner), Grimsby 4-1 (H)..they scored firdt, twice pegged back Stockport with another last minute equaliser in the case of the 2nd one, 2-2.

Robbed v Birmingham, in April, as we were at West Brom in February and possibly v Sunderland that same month.

We did show fight at certain times. Think 3-2 loss v Bradford who were flying and went up that year, we pegged them back to 2-2.

The Sunderland one I don't remember fully but was a last minute penalty. Think Scott Davidson stormed onto the pitch at the end so I assume was controversial.

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1 hour ago, Simon bristol said:

We spent all the money on forwards then bought carl hutchings to run the midfield as far as i remember!

im not sure benny really had any success anywhere after us, certainly not in a mainstream european league, funny how we all remember things?!

 

 

I do remember the, we would have been better off with Benny from Crossroads gags :laugh:.

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15 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Think 3-2 loss v Bradford who were flying and went up that year, we pegged them back to 2-2.

If I'm thinking of the right season, we lost 5-0 at Bradford , the following week was Wolves 1-6 at home . 

2 games I'd rather forget.

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1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

I’ll say the same thing I always say when Benny comes up. He was never brought into be manager and only had to do so when Ward threw his toys out of the pram, having asked for help then not liking the help given as he wanted Ray Harford.

The recruitment in the summer prior was poor. Replacing an injured Shaun Taylor with Julian Watts being notable, and we didn’t need to sign all three of Akinbiyi, Thorpe and Andersen. That was under Ward, but common consensus is Scott Davison signed Thorpe even though he wasn’t needed.

Bennys job that he was recruited for was to reshape the club outside the first team. And he did that - that batch of Matt Hill, Aaron Brown etc were a batch that came through with the work Benny did.

And after leaving us far from no success he took over Viking and led them to top three finishes in the league and a cup win - signing Ben Wright from city and knocking Chelsea out of the UEFA cup.

Benny was a damn good football man misused by the club. And bizarrely he was taking us forward with a pathway (remember that) to the first team snd we threw that away for Pulis.

 

...and so the pattern continues

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15 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

If I'm thinking of the right season, we lost 5-0 at Bradford , the following week was Wolves 1-6 at home . 

2 games I'd rather forget.

Yes correct but in the return we pegged them back and then went on a mini run. Albeit not quite enough.

Those were the first 2 games, I'm talking about the return and period slightly beyond.

Benny had a particularly torrid first 2 games, then next 3 slightly less torrid but we were a bit more competitive December to May.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/1999/mar/20/match.sport16

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1 hour ago, Ashton Fete said:

Some of the comments on here about Mbude are utterly ridiculous 😂

The lads played about 45 minutes over two games, he’s on loan and if it doesn’t work out then no harm done

We’ve all been crying out for decent loans since Tammy and some work out and some don’t.

I’m more concerned about the players we have under contract who aren’t good enough that we just can’t shift on as easily as not signing a loan player permanently 

He may settle in and we’ll all be raving about him in a couple of games, if he pops up and scores the winner against Cardiff then we’ll all be cheering!

So let’s give the lad a chance 

Who are these players the club is trying to shift?

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41 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Perhaps we should have gone with ray harford then. Benny had been managing for years in scandinavia, there was no background as a director of football, or any other involvement in english football as far as i know. He had a decent career but matt hill was young and small and like a rabbit in the headlights in those first few games, aaron brown never progressed in the game and that season was a disaster that benny could do nothing to stop.  The only fight we showed under him was against a bloke dressed as a wolf!

as for mabude, the first thing tinnion said when the window ended was that we absolutely definitely are going to be looking for a striker in the summer, what we didnt need was a very young wide player who has barely played a first team game… what they were thinking ive no idea… they are supposed to be working constantly on their targets, so we are told on north korea tv.

Aaron Brown had a decent career as I recall?

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1 minute ago, Natchfever said:

Who are these players the club is trying to shift?

It was more the broad point that every manager has players in the squad they want to move on but it’s not that easy when under contract etc.  I’m not on the inside so no idea who the club will be open to offers on but there obviously will be 

 

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7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yes correct but in the return we pegged them back and then went on a mini run. Albeit not quite enough.

Those were the first 2 games, I'm talking about the return and period slightly beyond.

Benny had a particularly torrid first 2 games, then next 3 slightly less torrid but we were a bit more competitive December to May.

I liked the spirit in those final months trying to stay up, think I recall a win at home with Jim Brennan flying down the left side and Ade Akinbyi grabbing a couple..Norwich perhaps 

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7 minutes ago, Ashton Fete said:

I liked the spirit in those final months trying to stay up, think I recall a win at home with Jim Brennan flying down the left side and Ade Akinbyi grabbing a couple..Norwich perhaps 

Norwich was a dead rubber tbh, but the only goal for Pinamonte.

Final day, we were already down. 4 wins and 13 pts from the last 9 was quite good but sadly not enough...

...The Birmingham game was quite feisty, Mike Dean.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/1999/apr/25/match.sport5

Trevor Francis claimed there were aggressive sentiments when they came down the tunnel.

Surely not. Tunnel by the Atyeo? Surely not.

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22 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yes correct but in the return we pegged them back and then went on a mini run. Albeit not quite enough.

Those were the first 2 games, I'm talking about the return and period slightly beyond.

Benny had a particularly torrid first 2 games, then next 3 slightly less torrid but we were a bit more competitive December to May.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/1999/mar/20/match.sport16

That game was interesting , I remember getting back to 2-2 and they just went ....
Yeah OK , time to score again. They looked a class above and seemed to have another 2/3 more gears.

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6 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

That game was interesting , I remember getting back to 2-2 and they just went ....
Yeah OK , time to score again. They looked a class above and seemed to have another 2/3 more gears.

Yeah I'm sure they were better overall, I have vague recollections of it all, some games more than others as it was my first half-season or so.

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1 hour ago, Ashton Fete said:

Some of the comments on here about Mbude are utterly ridiculous 😂

The lads played about 45 minutes over two games, he’s on loan and if it doesn’t work out then no harm done

We’ve all been crying out for decent loans since Tammy and some work out and some don’t.

I’m more concerned about the players we have under contract who aren’t good enough that we just can’t shift on as easily as not signing a loan player permanently 

He may settle in and we’ll all be raving about him in a couple of games, if he pops up and scores the winner against Cardiff then we’ll all be cheering!

So let’s give the lad a chance 

Please name these players who aren't good enough and "we just can't shift"

 

 

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yeah I'm sure they were better overall, I have vague recollections of it all, some games more than others as it was my first half-season or so.

Been looking at the results , horrendous . From end of December to the end of the Season 4 wins .
The games I remember are mainly for the wrong reasons that season. I remember Ward saying "I don't know what to do next" just before Benny came in, you knew it was pretty much over then . 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Been looking at the results , horrendous . From end of December to the end of the Season 4 wins .
The games I remember are mainly for the wrong reasons that season. I remember Ward saying "I don't know what to do next" just before Benny came in, you knew it was pretty much over then . 

 

 

 

We drew a fair few.. maintain we robbed to varying degrees v West Brom, Sunderland and Birmingham.

Shall watch some of these though. The 4 wins came in the final 4 or 5 weeks.

Think we got 26 from the last 25 but 1 from Benny's first 5.

Having said that, the table after the first 5 under Benny..Crewe were 11 points off safety? Yet overhauled us and multiple others.

https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-division-1/03-december-1998/

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2 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Please name these players who aren't good enough and "we just can't shift"

 

 

I said “we just can’t shift on as easily” meaning players under contract are harder to shift than loan players 

i.e if Mbude doesn’t work out then we don’t have to sign him and the loan ends. 
 

However, if as an example LM wanted to move on Mehmeti then that’s not as easy as he still has 2.5 years left on his contract

its just the point that we’ve signed Mbude on loan, he’s played about 45 minutes and I’m not rushing to judge him yet albeit if it doesn’t work out then he goes back to his parent club and we move on.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Ashton Fete said:

I said “we just can’t shift on as easily” meaning players under contract are harder to shift than loan players 

i.e if Mbude doesn’t work out then we don’t have to sign him and the loan ends. 
 

However, if as an example LM wanted to move on Mehmeti then that’s not as easy as he still has 2.5 years left on his contract

its just the point that we’ve signed Mbude on loan, he’s played about 45 minutes and I’m not rushing to judge him yet albeit if it doesn’t work out then he goes back to his parent club and we move on.

 

 

You also said "I'm more concerned about the players we have under contract who aren't good enough"

So name them (in your opinion) or retract the statement. Perhaps your bosses told you to post that eh?

Came on here on 27th January  39 posts since. Busy eh? Hope the overtimes worth it.

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24 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We drew a fair few.. maintain we robbed to varying degrees v West Brom, Sunderland and Birmingham.

Shall watch some of these though. The 4 wins came in the final 4 or 5 weeks.

Think we got 26 from the last 25 but 1 from Benny's first 5.

Having said that, the table after the first 5 under Benny..Crewe were 11 points off safety? Yet overhauled us and multiple others.

https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-division-1/03-december-1998/

Man there's a lot of red on there.

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40 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We drew a fair few.. maintain we robbed to varying degrees v West Brom, Sunderland and Birmingham.

Shall watch some of these though. The 4 wins came in the final 4 or 5 weeks.

Think we got 26 from the last 25 but 1 from Benny's first 5.

Having said that, the table after the first 5 under Benny..Crewe were 11 points off safety? Yet overhauled us and multiple others.

https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-division-1/03-december-1998/

still cant work out how we didnt beat oxford first game.....

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42 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said:

Aaron brown had a very strange career. 

 

Was very good for us and one of the best attacking youngsters in the league under wilson. However then seemed to lose his way and that ended up being his peak. 

Didn't he suffer a really bad injury for us towards the end of the season? Knee I think? Was never the same after. 

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Always remember the Sunderland away game that season. It was live on Sky, they scored early and absolutely battered us but Welch had the game of his life to keep it at 1-0, then Andersen bagged a late point from just about the only time we got near their goal all night.

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1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Didn't he suffer a really bad injury for us towards the end of the season? Knee I think? Was never the same after. 

He did. Brown being injured was a sliding door moment in one season under Wilson - he was nigh on unplayable for a period and had he not got injured, we’d have gone up. It was a clear example of a vital cog in a team being injured and it derailing everything (see also Afobe in 19/20, and controversially Lee Johnson in 2008)

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On 18/02/2024 at 19:21, Silvio Dante said:

I think it’s as simple as they’d been getting a bit (not much) stick for an unexciting window. Brian made some relatively ill judged interactions (there’s a shock) in responding to people where there was no need. They then also fed to club puppet and all round tosser Ian Gay that there were exciting signings coming who came all over Twitter with that news.

That exciting signing was a player deemed not good enough at an inferior level (note - he may be good enough eventually, but positioning him as he was didn’t play with the narrative). So they made shit up in order to make the signing more exciting.

Because they’re morons.

Perhaps Manning is doing someone a favour with this signing ( his old contacts) . I can imagine ‘ Hi Liam, we’ve got this kid whose career has stalled in Belgium but who seemed promising at Man City U21’s. Could you take him on and see if you can get a tune out of him ? . ‘ 

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8 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Perhaps Manning is doing someone a favour with this signing ( his old contacts) . I can imagine ‘ Hi Liam, we’ve got this kid whose career has stalled in Belgium but who seemed promising at Man City U21’s. Could you take him on and see if you can get a tune out of him ? . ‘ 

Often clubs can utilise contacts to the advantage of the club but time will tell with this one.

If you look at other clubs, they absolutely do gap into contacts which can be to their advantage.

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16 hours ago, Galley is our king said:

You also said "I'm more concerned about the players we have under contract who aren't good enough"

So name them (in your opinion) or retract the statement. Perhaps your bosses told you to post that eh?

Came on here on 27th January  39 posts since. Busy eh? Hope the overtimes worth it.

So your logic is because I’m trying to be positive about the club and a loan signing I must be being paid by the club?

Jeez 😂

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1 hour ago, Ashton Fete said:

So your logic is because I’m trying to be positive about the club and a loan signing I must be being paid by the club?

Jeez 😂

So who are the players that are under contract but not good enough? 

I'm struggling to think of any? Mehmeti? 

This squad is a decent squad. It had the potential to challange for the top 6. Manning was brought in to do that with this current set of players. He's failed to do that. 

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2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Perhaps Manning is doing someone a favour with this signing ( his old contacts) . I can imagine ‘ Hi Liam, we’ve got this kid whose career has stalled in Belgium but who seemed promising at Man City U21’s. Could you take him on and see if you can get a tune out of him ? . ‘ 

I fear that even Ivan Testemitanu's wife would fail to get a tune out of him. 

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35 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

So who are the players that are under contract but not good enough? 

I'm struggling to think of any? Mehmeti? 

This squad is a decent squad. It had the potential to challange for the top 6. Manning was brought in to do that with this current set of players. He's failed to do that. 

For me it’s Mehemti, Cornick and Wells but that’s just my personal opinion really. We all see slightly different things in players 

 

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5 hours ago, Ashton Fete said:

For me it’s Mehemti, Cornick and Wells but that’s just my personal opinion really. We all see slightly different things in players 

 

Manning seems to like Mehmeti.

I can see Wells going but will need a replacement and that might eat up his wage.

Cornick im unsure of. Think Manning sees him as a good squad option.

I personally think hes not "got" Knight so may seek to move on  plus unfortunately James and King off anyway.

A hunch that Williams will be off too.

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18 minutes ago, Natchfever said:

Manning seems to like Mehmeti.

I can see Wells going but will need a replacement and that might eat up his wage.

Cornick im unsure of. Think Manning sees him as a good squad option.

I personally think hes not "got" Knight so may seek to move on  plus unfortunately James and King off anyway.

A hunch that Williams will be off too.

100% agree.

Think Knight is wasted in that advanced role but maybe when James/Williams plays out he’ll drop back there next season

Can’t call the contracts there albeit the longer it goes on suggests there’s nothing on the table or it’s lower than wanted and they’re scoping their options which is understandable. Who knows!

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Just now, petehinton said:

Unused sub in a game we were chasing for essentially an entire half. 
 

Doesn’t exactly paint the best picture of the impression he’s made since coming in. 

Would have been amazed if he’d come on after QPR.

King actually played a couple of decent passes but what does it say that you bring on a 35 year old player coach ahead of him.

This is one to watch over the last 10 or so games.

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Might as well give him a run in the side now. He may not be up to it, but we’ve got a chance to see what he’s like and if he can cut it at this level. No point in bringing on the likes of Andy King who we know won’t get a new contract. 10 minute cameos aren’t going to do Mebude any favours, either play him or don’t even bother having him on the bench. 

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1 minute ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

Another great signing along with twine. Helped us massively since signing

Don't think the19yr old was going to come in and set the gate on fire.  Since loosing his way after being released from Man City.  

Twine a complete waste of money.

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Thought I’d bump this.

There were 2 occasions when he came on when he passed the ball back to a red shirt.

Still looked absolutely no threat whatsoever but at least he didn’t look like a competition winner.

See @Top Robin I can find a positive..

Still doubt he’ll make it with us or at Championship level.

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Just now, GrahamC said:

Thought I’d bump this.

There were 2 occasions when he came on when he passed the ball back to a red shirt.

Still looked absolutely no threat whatsoever but at least he didn’t look like a competition winner.

See @Top Robin I can find a positive..

Still doubt he’ll make it with us or at Championship level.

Our January business was a joke. Led by someone who brought us Grant Smith. 

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3 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Thought I’d bump this.

There were 2 occasions when he came on when he passed the ball back to a red shirt.

Still looked absolutely no threat whatsoever but at least he didn’t look like a competition winner.

See @Top Robin I can find a positive..

Still doubt he’ll make it with us or at Championship level.

Yes, to be fair, he did actually look like a footballer today, albeit he didn't pose any threat in the few minutes he was on. So he didn't look at all out of place in our team.

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