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[Mr Popodopolous]

17 minutes ago, Riaz said:

Right, I’d argue someone with “more experience” would most likely be someone who had failed somewhere else. 
And if they haven’t failed elsewhere, why would they come here? 
 

I like the manning and Johnson appointments. Because it’s giving someone on the way up a chance. Much more suited to a club like ours.

Well I dunno it is and it isn't 

Putting aside the individual merits and demerits, GJ, Cotts and NP to varying degrees were both experienced and I assume not patsys as such, thanks in no small part due to this.

Plus were rather successful in their own ways for us.

Lee Johnson had a record budget to play with and could should have easily been sacked in early 2017. Ultimately some good and bad things but some fundamental flaws.

Edited February 22 by Mr Popodopolous

[TDarwall]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well I dunno it is and it isn't 

Putting aside the individual merits and demerits, GJ, Cotts and NP to varying degrees were both experienced and I assume not patsys as such, thanks in no small part due to this.

Plus were rather successful in their own ways for us.

When Manning was appointed I joked that if it goes wrong we'll flip again & appoint a gnarly seasoned old manager (which as you say is usually more successful!).

I think what is clear post Cotts & NP is that the Lansdowns don't want to work with a bombastic type, so to an extent NP (who has a history of falling out with people) was doomed from the beginning.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 minutes ago, TDarwall said:

When Manning was appointed I joked that if it goes wrong we'll flip again & appoint a gnarly seasoned old manager (which as you say is usually more successful!).

I think what is clear post Cotts & NP is that the Lansdowns don't want to work with a bombastic type, so to an extent NP (who has a history of falling out with people) was doomed from the beginning.

 

It doesn't always work of course, Pulis was a horrible era, O'Driscoll was somewhat experience and did a lot of dirty work but on pitch results were a disaster, Wilson ultimately failed but...I dunno I do think on balance we do better with a more experienced manager.

It's a shame if so, you need that creative tension. I don't think also Manning is the kind of character, personality who can whip up a siege mentality, circle the wagons, yes criticise bizarre officiating. NP was and as I said elsewhere football and the wider industry doesn't do us many favours.

I'm off on a tangent here but Birmingham and WBA..we give then 3k or even 3.4k, but 3k and they give us 2k. We need to smarten and harden up as a club, NP more than Manning would be a better advocate I believe.

Edited February 22 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

As for the OP, probably middle to last third of March release date wise.

[Riaz]

18 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well I dunno it is and it isn't 

Putting aside the individual merits and demerits, GJ, Cotts and NP to varying degrees were both experienced and I assume not patsys as such, thanks in no small part due to this.

Plus were rather successful in their own ways for us.

Lee Johnson had a record budget to play with and could should have easily been sacked in early 2017. Ultimately some good and bad things but some fundamental flaws.

GJ was on his way up. 
Cotts was a lower league manager, who we had to get rid of when we got up, because he was taking us down. He wasn’t proven, for where we wanted to go. 
Nigel Pearson, yes, an exception to the rule. A proven manager, who actually was interested in managing us. Even more annoying that we sacked him. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

16 minutes ago, Riaz said:

GJ was on his way up. 
Cotts was a lower league manager, who we had to get rid of when we got up, because he was taking us down. He wasn’t proven, for where we wanted to go. 
Nigel Pearson, yes, an exception to the rule. A proven manager, who actually was interested in managing us. Even more annoying that we sacked him. 

Cotts left us in a great position in some ways, with some difficulties in others.

I trust you missed his okay stint at Burnley, keeping Nottingham Forest up when they had their difficulties. Portsmouth is a bit harder to gauge, on one hand they went down without him but otoh they had Parachure Payments but still were in financial meltdown.

Lee Johnson was??

GJ was on the way up on one level but a solid base of work with Latvia and Yeovil. Helped out at Cambridge in the John Beck days too, think he was 50+ when he joined us or late 40s.

NP, sacking him very foolish and unjust IMO. Thst aside I'd you look at a lot of clubs who bit the FFP buffers many struggled badly or went down, under NP we did not. We weren't even clsoe really.

[Andy082005]

7 hours ago, Riaz said:

Right, I’d argue someone with “more experience” would most likely be someone who had failed somewhere else. 
And if they haven’t failed elsewhere, why would they come here? 
 

I like the manning and Johnson appointments. Because it’s giving someone on the way up a chance. Much more suited to a club like ours.

Manning failed somewhere else . He failed at Mk Dons (if we go by your logic)

Edited February 23 by Andy082005

[Sir Geoff]

8 hours ago, Riaz said:

Right, I’d argue someone with “more experience” would most likely be someone who had failed somewhere else. 
And if they haven’t failed elsewhere, why would they come here? 
 

I like the manning and Johnson appointments. Because it’s giving someone on the way up a chance. Much more suited to a club like ours.

But Manning has failed elsewhere.

[Tinmans Love Child]

Nearly every manager has failed somewhere and usually multiple times, but unless you look at the context of the "failure" it's irrelevant.  

[Silvio Dante]

9 hours ago, TDarwall said:

I think what is clear post Cotts & NP is that the Lansdowns don't want to work with a bombastic type, so to an extent NP (who has a history of falling out with people) was doomed from the beginning.

 

There goes my fiver on the next boss.

[Silvio Dante]

1 hour ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Nearly every manager has failed somewhere and usually multiple times, but unless you look at the context of the "failure" it's irrelevant.  

I agree. And this is a part of what gives me the heebies (and the jeebies) whenever there is the argument that Liam needs a pre season and/or this season is a free hit.

The context of Liams failure at MK Dons was that he had (per their fans) a top six budget and ability to shape his own side, having taken over Martins side in August the prior year. Yes, he lost Twine and Darling in the summer, but he had time and a budget - and crucially time on the grass - to shape his side the way he wanted. And it failed. There was no bad feeling at Dons, but it was noted that he just couldn’t turn things around when they weren’t going well (this is kind of the adaptability piece again).

It narks me every time people talk about “he needs a pre season” as if it’s a magic bullet. Because if you look at the context of his failure that’s exactly the circumstances when he did fail. And with relatively more resources considering the level then he’ll get here.

Again, this doesn’t say he won’t get it right here, but blind optimism in the face of a track record to the contrary is not a place any of us want to be!

[W-S-M Seagull]

9 hours ago, Riaz said:

I like the manning and Johnson appointments. Because it’s giving someone on the way up a chance. Much more suited to a club like ours.

I think it's long been established that these type of appointments, DM, LJ, DH and now Manning are not well suited to our club. 

They suit BT and JL who like to have a head coach who is wet behind the ears and whom doesn't challange them. 

However it doesn't suit what we need in order to meet our objectives. 

[2015]

Controversial opinion but both GJ and LJ left us in a very bad long term state upon leaving, too many average players signed on long term contracts that we couldn't get rid of for 2-3 years after they left.
GJ has a record of this at Yeovil too, and now Torquay. 

Overrated Manager's here.

[TV Tom]

55 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think it's long been established that these type of appointments, DM, LJ, DH and now Manning are not well suited to our club. 

They suit BT and JL who like to have a head coach who is wet behind the ears and whom doesn't challange them. 

However it doesn't suit what we need in order to meet our objectives. 

But Lampard would have been suited to our club? 

Sorry, i can’t take your post’s seriously anymore 

[W-S-M Seagull]

7 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Controversial opinion but both GJ and LJ left us in a very bad long term state upon leaving, too many average players signed on long term contracts that we couldn't get rid of for 2-3 years after they left.
GJ has a record of this at Yeovil too, and now Torquay. 

Overrated Manager's here.

Absolutely. 

GJ did brilliantly to get us up and then the following season was just magic. 

But after that he signed players that he struggled to manage and then some proper shite. The roots to our relegation lead to GJ. 

Same with LJ. Did well to keep us in this division and then built upon that to get us competing for the play offs but then just like his Dad he signed players he struggled to managed and then also signed some proper shite. 

We'd probably have got relegated this time too if it wasn't for Pearson. 

 

[TV Tom]

11 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

It’s completely irrelevant who I would have wanted - but we should have been aiming for someone with more experience than we got. The reality is, anyone worth half their salt at this level wouldn’t entertain the thought of coming here because the way the club is ran is amateurish 

So who would you have wanted? it’s all very well saying you wanted NP out (as I did) and all very well saying Manning is the wrong choice but who would of been your choice, come on I need another laugh to go with the Lampard shout 

[TV Tom]

2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:. 

We'd probably have got relegated this time too if it wasn't for Pearson. 

 

Utter rubbish, you need to get over your obsession with NP and move on

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Utter rubbish, you need to get over your obsession with NP and move on

I think it was a crucial appointment at the time.  We were heading downwards (not dissimilar to the last time we went down) and it needed someone who could not just firefight the current situation but put the footings in of a rebuild at the same time.  Normally you’d throw a bit of money at survival and hope it was enough.  FFP meant we couldn’t.  Imho it was brilliantly negotiated, combo of Nige and Gould.

Had SL got that appointment wrong (so yes, he occasionally gets it right), I could see us in danger of going straight through Lg1 too!  Maybe sounds extreme, but those contracts hamstrung us in the champ, they’d have killed us in Lg1.

You could argue that points deductions of other clubs helped us too….at least not getting dragged in.

[W-S-M Seagull]

28 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

But Lampard would have been suited to our club? 

Sorry, i can’t take your post’s seriously anymore 

I've never taken your posts seriously Tom so no hard feelings. 

Ridicule it all you want. Youre probably a Liverpool fan or something so your opinion is biased. You do come across as someone who would support Liverpool tbh. 

However let's say the final candidates are Lampard and Manning. 

Our situation was that we had a team that had been built to play on the transitions, high press etc. Our stated desire was to appoint a Head coach who would improve on that style and to continue to develop young players. 

Lots of young players in the squad, clear pathway and we have owners who want that pathway to continue.

Manning plays a possession based game, likes 3 at the back. Doesnt press with intensity. Other than coaching in youth football has no background of introducing young players to the first team and developing them. No experience of either playing or managing at an elite level. Spent lots of money and was then sacked by MK, a fake football club. Spent a lot of money at Oxford and at the time of departure was doing well. That's the only success he's had on his CV with a team he's built with a big budget. 

Lampard has shown he can utilise different styles depending on the situation. He likes to play front foot high pressing attacking football. Lots of emphasis on the full backs and the wingers. He got Derby to the play off final having utilised his contacts at Chelsea to sign some top young talents on loan. 

Obviously he's spent the majority or his career at an elite level both playing and managing. 

At Chelsea in his first season he couldn't sign any players. He fielded young players who have since gone on to have good careers. He took them to an fa cup final and qualified for the Champions league. 

At Everton despite them being a basket case of a club he kept them in the premier league. 

So even Frank's worst achievements are better than Mannings best achievement of a league one play off final with a squad that Russel Martin built. 

So you can belittle my post all you want but the facts are between the two, on paper, Lampard was the better fit for what we stated we wanted. Be it style, youth development etc. 

 

 

[W-S-M Seagull]

27 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Utter rubbish, you need to get over your obsession with NP and move on

Oh Tom. I think you need to get back to the politics forum cos if you think that is utter rubbish then football chat clearly isn't for you. 

You may despise Pearson but trying to diminish what he did here doesn't do your credibility any good at all. 

I mentioned Pearson in a conversation about how GJ and LJ left us in a mess. 

You may wish that Pearson could be erased from our history, but unfortunately for you, that isn't possible. 

[2015]

41 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Utter rubbish, you need to get over your obsession with NP and move on

Did you watch us play from Dec 2020 - March 2021? 

Probably the worst i've ever seen a team play at this club, despite us being a Championship side, it was the worst football during my time as a fan (Since 2001).

We were only going one way and we needed an experienced manager to stabilise the club after the chaotic managerial appointment of Holden and the scattergun approach to transfers throughout 2019 and 2020.

[W-S-M Seagull]

13 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think it was a crucial appointment at the time.  We were heading downwards (not dissimilar to the last time we went down) and it needed someone who could not just firefight the current situation but put the footings in of a rebuild at the same time.  Normally you’d throw a bit of money at survival and hope it was enough.  FFP meant we couldn’t.  Imho it was brilliantly negotiated, combo of Nige and Gould.

Had SL got that appointment wrong (so yes, he occasionally gets it right), I could see us in danger of going straight through Lg1 too!  Maybe sounds extreme, but those contracts hamstrung us in the champ, they’d have killed us in Lg1.

You could argue that points deductions of other clubs helped us too….at least not getting dragged in.

I find it bizarre Dave. Because Pearson (and Gould) stopped that from happening, he recieves no praise for that. The likes of TV Tom would have been all over it if Pearson would have taken us through the trap door tho!!

It's either a complete lack of understanding of the dire situation we were in or simply a reluctance to give Pearson any kind of credit. 

As you say relegation would have been catastrophic for us. 

We needed a Pearson type of appointment at the time we hired McInnes/SOD. Iirc McInnes was tasked with cutting the wage bill and rebuilding the squad. Complete wrong guy for the job! 

Credit where credit is due, Lansdown Snr has made 4 good calls on managers, GJ, Cotts, LJ and NP. They were all what we needed at that time and all initially achieved what was expected. You could maybe throw in SOD there too in the sense that he helped to lay the early foundations for today. The problem was keeping GJ and LJ too long. 

Despite my disdain for the Lansdowns I am happy to give praise when it's warranted. TV Tom can't do that. If it goes wrong with Manning, I fully expect that Steve will come back in to appoint the next manager. 

[Super]

3 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

But Manning has failed elsewhere.

Most managers have at some stage haven't they?

[W-S-M Seagull]

5 minutes ago, Super said:

Most managers have at some stage haven't they?

How many managers get sacked from a league one club who then went on to get relegated having spent a lot of money, go on to be appointed by a Championship club just a short while later? 

[2015]

6 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I find it bizarre Dave. Because Pearson (and Gould) stopped that from happening, he recieves no praise for that. The likes of TV Tom would have been all over it if Pearson would have taken us through the trap door tho!!

It's either a complete lack of understanding of the dire situation we were in or simply a reluctance to give Pearson any kind of credit. 

As you say relegation would have been catastrophic for us. 

We needed a Pearson type of appointment at the time we hired McInnes/SOD. Iirc McInnes was tasked with cutting the wage bill and rebuilding the squad. Complete wrong guy for the job! 

Credit where credit is due, Lansdown Snr has made 4 good calls on managers, GJ, Cotts, LJ and NP. They were all what we needed at that time and all initially achieved what was expected. You could maybe throw in SOD there too in the sense that he helped to lay the early foundations for today. The problem was keeping GJ and LJ too long. 

Despite my disdain for the Lansdowns I am happy to give praise when it's warranted. TV Tom can't do that. If it goes wrong with Manning, I fully expect that Steve will come back in to appoint the next manager. 

This is spot on. Despite the swipes from a lot of fans on here, I think you're on the money with regards Managerial appointments at this club. 

People tend to just look at results only and form their opinions, without looking at a broader context of what was happening at the time. 

[Super]

9 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

How many managers get sacked from a league one club who then went on to get relegated having spent a lot of money, go on to be appointed by a Championship club just a short while later? 

I agree to a point but he didn't come from being sacked at MK.

[TV Tom]

46 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I've never taken your posts seriously Tom so no hard feelings. 

Ridicule it all you want. Youre probably a Liverpool fan or something so your opinion is biased. You do come across as someone who would support Liverpool tbh. 

However let's say the final candidates are Lampard and Manning. 

Our situation was that we had a team that had been built to play on the transitions, high press etc. Our stated desire was to appoint a Head coach who would improve on that style and to continue to develop young players. 

Lots of young players in the squad, clear pathway and we have owners who want that pathway to continue.

Manning plays a possession based game, likes 3 at the back. Doesnt press with intensity. Other than coaching in youth football has no background of introducing young players to the first team and developing them. No experience of either playing or managing at an elite level. Spent lots of money and was then sacked by MK, a fake football club. Spent a lot of money at Oxford and at the time of departure was doing well. That's the only success he's had on his CV with a team he's built with a big budget. 

Lampard has shown he can utilise different styles depending on the situation. He likes to play front foot high pressing attacking football. Lots of emphasis on the full backs and the wingers. He got Derby to the play off final having utilised his contacts at Chelsea to sign some top young talents on loan. 

Obviously he's spent the majority or his career at an elite level both playing and managing. 

At Chelsea in his first season he couldn't sign any players. He fielded young players who have since gone on to have good careers. He took them to an fa cup final and qualified for the Champions league. 

At Everton despite them being a basket case of a club he kept them in the premier league. 

So even Frank's worst achievements are better than Mannings best achievement of a league one play off final with a squad that Russel Martin built. 

So you can belittle my post all you want but the facts are between the two, on paper, Lampard was the better fit for what we stated we wanted. Be it style, youth development etc. 

 

 

Haha I’ve never supported or followed any other club and brought up my kids with the same mentality, ( I do keep an eye on Shamrock Rover’s results though) 

[TV Tom]

35 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Did you watch us play from Dec 2020 - March 2021? 

Probably the worst i've ever seen a team play at this club, despite us being a Championship side, it was the worst football during my time as a fan (Since 2001).

We were only going one way and we needed an experienced manager to stabilise the club after the chaotic managerial appointment of Holden and the scattergun approach to transfers throughout 2019 and 2020.

The football has been dreadful for 4 or 5 years, in my opinion the performances in general have picked up since Manning arrived with the obvious exception 

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

The football has been dreadful for 4 or 5 years, in my opinion the performances in general have picked up since Manning arrived with the obvious exception 

People keep saying this and I'm left scratching my head because I'm just not seeing it? 

Yes there has been a few games that have been good but then that was the case before so no difference. 

[2015]

1 minute ago, TV Tom said:

The football has been dreadful for 4 or 5 years, in my opinion the performances in general have picked up since Manning arrived with the obvious exception 

Although haven't been great for 4 or 5 years (I'd say more like 6 or 7 because I didnt rate LJ style at all) it was particularly terrible for those 3 or 4 months under Holden where we could barely get out of our own half most matches and in some matches our own penalty box.

Pearson WAS a needed stabilisation the club was desperate for, and although his style at times was not the most easy on the eye we did make steady progress and became a steady Championship club again. He also gave debuts to Conway, Bell, Scott, Pring and massively improved Zak Vyner. It might not have been a good watch at times, but he was certainly what has been needed until his departure whether you like him or not.

[2015]

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

People keep saying this and I'm left scratching my head because I'm just not seeing it? 

Yes there has been a few games that have been good but then that was the case before so no difference. 

Yeah, I mean we're still losing to sides we should be beating and performing well against sides who give us space. We're still a transition based side, but Manning will need time to bring his own players in I guess.

[TV Tom]

1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

People keep saying this and I'm left scratching my head because I'm just not seeing it? 

Yes there has been a few games that have been good but then that was the case before so no difference. 

I’ve enjoyed more games in the three months Manning has been here than I did in the two and have years NP was here, of course, only my opinion

[2015]

1 minute ago, TV Tom said:

I’ve enjoyed more games in the three months Manning has been here than I did in the two and have years NP was here, of course, only my opinion

So you didn't enjoy the run of form from Jan - March last season under Pearson, or enjoy the amount of goals we were scoring at the beginning of 2022/23? 

Or didn't enjoy the partnership of Martin, Weimann and Semenyo, with a 5-0 trouncing of Hull?

Fair enough, I guess.

Edited February 23 by 2015

[TV Tom]

4 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Although haven't been great for 4 or 5 years (I'd say more like 6 or 7 because I didnt rate LJ style at all) it was particularly terrible for those 3 or 4 months under Holden where we could barely get out of our own half most matches and in some matches our own penalty box.

Pearson WAS a needed stabilisation the club was desperate for, and although his style at times was not the most easy on the eye we did make steady progress and became a steady Championship club again. He also gave debuts to Conway, Bell, Scott, Pring and massively improved Zak Vyner. It might not have been a good watch at times, but he was certainly what has been needed until his departure whether you like him or not.

I didn’t dislike him and I fully appreciate he did a decent job but for me he took us as far as he could

[TV Tom]

1 minute ago, 2015 said:

So you didn't enjoy the run of form from Jan - March last season under Pearson, or enjoy the amount of goals we were scoring at the beginning of 2022/23? 

Or didn't enjoy the partnership of Martin, Weimann and Semenyo, with a 5-0 trouncing of Hull?

Fair enough, I guess.

One or two games weren’t bad I suppose 

[2015]

3 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

I didn’t dislike him and I fully appreciate he did a decent job but for me he took us as far as he could

I think that's fair!

[Topper 123]

On 20/02/2024 at 22:39, Andy082005 said:

Nope. And certainly won’t be renewing 

Save your money and get a fire stick. At least you can switch it off when they dish up the same shit as they have for the last 8 years 

Good catch a 74 bud up Gloucester rd they’ll welcome you 

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

I’ve enjoyed more games in the three months Manning has been here than I did in the two and have years NP was here, of course, only my opinion

Utter bullshit mate. 

You're just moving the goal posts to suit your narrative. Or you're displaying some bias because of your dislike of Pearson. 

You didn't enjoy the Plymouth game earlier on in the season? Or Swansea and Hull away? 

One thing that's dropped out of our game is that the past year or so, we would by and large give chase a game towards the end if losing or drawing, especially at home. We don't do that under Manning. 

I'm not gonna sit here and pretend it was all sunshine and lollipops (like your doing with Manning) but to suggest the football has been more enjoyable over the last 18 games under Manning is rather ridiculous. 

[archie andrews]

11 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Although haven't been great for 4 or 5 years (I'd say more like 6 or 7 because I didnt rate LJ style at all) it was particularly terrible for those 3 or 4 months under Holden where we could barely get out of our own half most matches and in some matches our own penalty box.

Pearson WAS a needed stabilisation the club was desperate for, and although his style at times was not the most easy on the eye we did make steady progress and became a steady Championship club again. He also gave debuts to Conway, Bell, Scott, Pring and massively improved Zak Vyner. It might not have been a good watch at times, but he was certainly what has been needed until his departure whether you like him or not.

Best football for ages was under LJ fact albeit 6 months but miles better than anything else last 8 or 9 years... 

[robinforlife2]

On 21/02/2024 at 19:14, Bristol Rob said:

Have you seen what Arsenal are doing? Obviously helps that they have more fans than seats, but that seems draconian to me. 

 

 

One of my best mates is an Arsenal fan. His tickets have been used on every game, but he's transferred his seat for 7 games and sold it back to the club on 2 games, as he's not been able to attend or had friends who could, he's activated his seat for European games and cups. He got an email the other day telling him, he would not be eligible for renewal for lack of attendance! 

[2015]

1 minute ago, archie andrews said:

Best football for ages was under LJ fact albeit 6 months but miles better than anything else last 8 or 9 years... 

For 3 or 4 months it was alright. I think it might have been different if Diedhiou didn't get injured in the Autumn. We were forced to play Reid as a false 9 and play football on the deck. I don't think LJ planned for this, but this is my own theory.

As soon as Fam was back though it reverted to being more long ball and workmanlike.

[Topper 123]

On 20/02/2024 at 22:39, Andy082005 said:

Nope. And certainly won’t be renewing 

Save your money and get a fire stick. At least you can switch it off when they dish up the same shit as they have for the last 8 years 

Good catch a 74 bud up Gloucester rd they’ll welcome you 

On 20/02/2024 at 22:39, Andy082005 said:

Nope. And certainly won’t be renewing 

Save your money and get a fire stick. At least you can switch it off when they dish up the same shit as they have for the last 8 years 

Good catch a 74 bud up Gloucester rd they’ll welcome you 

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, 2015 said:

For 3 or 4 months it was alright. I think it might have been different if Diedhiou didn't get injured in the Autumn. We were forced to play Reid as a false 9 and play football on the deck. I don't think LJ planned for this, but this is my own theory.

As soon as Fam was back though it reverted to being more long ball and workmanlike.

There were a few games where we showed glimpses of the style thereafter but not many.

Elements of QPR at Home in late January (until the Baker red card), Sunderland at Home first half, Sheffield Wednesday at Home when we rushed to get the game on.

Maybe parts of Leeds Away first half.

Pretty much it though, the style and tactical framework faded never really to resurface.

[Old Sodbury Red Evs]

On 21/02/2024 at 19:14, Bristol Rob said:

Have you seen what Arsenal are doing? Obviously helps that they have more fans than seats, but that seems draconian to me. 

 

 

Man United have been doing this for several years but they have a scheme if you cannot go you can give back to club for re-sale or donate to the foundation, both count as attended.

[Riaz]

5 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

Manning failed somewhere else . He failed at Mk Dons (if we go by your logic)

He was doing well there by all accounts, until he lost his best players (Twine & co)

Who do you think would have been a better choice?

[robinforlife2]

How has this thread turned into a Manning Vs Pearson debate ?

[Sir Geoff]

1 hour ago, Super said:

Most managers have at some stage haven't they?

Yes but please refer to the context I was replying to.

[Riaz]

3 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think it's long been established that these type of appointments, DM, LJ, DH and now Manning are not well suited to our club. 

They suit BT and JL who like to have a head coach who is wet behind the ears and whom doesn't challange them. 

However it doesn't suit what we need in order to meet our objectives. 

Big names rarely do well for us - so uknown managers and players suit Bristol City

You never heard of Scott Murray, Albert Adomah or Alex Scott before they played for us.

Then you have the likes of David James, Michael Bridges & Marcus Stewart - Big names, on there way down - and the result? speaks for itself.

[2015]

13 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said:

How has this thread turned into a Manning Vs Pearson debate ?

Not from my pov. I hope Manning does well, and is doing ok at the moment. Never has been Manning vs Pearson for me.

Just sorting the strays who seem to think Pearson was the worst thing that happened to this club, when he wasn't.

[glynriley]

27 minutes ago, Riaz said:

He was doing well there by all accounts, until he lost his best players (Twine & co)

Who do you think would have been a better choice?

 

Well he'll lose his best players here too, so that's something to look forward to.

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 minutes ago, Riaz said:

Big names rarely do well for us - so uknown managers and players suit Bristol City

You never heard of Scott Murray, Albert Adomah or Alex Scott before they played for us.

Then you have the likes of David James, Michael Bridges & Marcus Stewart - Big names, on there way down - and the result? speaks for itself.

Andy King, Matty James, Nakhi Wells?

It doesn't speak for itself. That's a simplistic view with you randomly picking names out of the air to fit your argument. 

What it suggests is that we've been poorly managed for many years from the top down. 

Under the right management and timing, names such as Matty James can be successful here.

It's been proven that unknown/inexperienced managers do not suit Bristol City. Ridiculous to suggest they do when we've seen the failings of Dean Holden, Lee Johnson, Derek McInnes, Keith Millen and the main man Brian Tinnion. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

30 minutes ago, Riaz said:

He was doing well there by all accounts, until he lost his best players (Twine & co)

Who do you think would have been a better choice?

And was then significantly backed in the summer and the team that he built were then relegated. 

[IAmNick]

I saw like 60 new posts - made the foolish assumption maybe there was some season ticket news!

This forum is like bloody groundhog day at the moment.

The same half a dozen posters, making the same half a dozen points about bloody Pearson / Manning / Tinnion / FFP on EVERY BLOODY THREAD. I get that it's important but my god it's hard reading at the moment.

There are about 10 threads on this already.

[Andy082005]

2 hours ago, TV Tom said:

So who would you have wanted? it’s all very well saying you wanted NP out (as I did) and all very well saying Manning is the wrong choice but who would of been your choice, come on I need another laugh to go with the Lampard shout 

Who said Lampard? Certainly not me 

And as I mentioned previously - it’s irrelevant who I would have liked / wanted. 
 

The point I’m making is - we could have done better than someone who failed with MK Dons and has done nothing in the game to warrant the job he currently resides in 

[Andy082005]

53 minutes ago, Topper 123 said:

Good catch a 74 bud up Gloucester rd they’ll welcome you 

Good catch a 74 bud up Gloucester rd they’ll welcome you 

Good one 

[Andy082005]

38 minutes ago, Riaz said:

He was doing well there by all accounts, until he lost his best players (Twine & co)

Who do you think would have been a better choice?

He had the squad built by Russell Martin - rode that wave, then ultimately got sacked 

 

[Super]

1 hour ago, robinforlife2 said:

How has this thread turned into a Manning Vs Pearson debate ?

Are you new here?!

[2015]

3 hours ago, IAmNick said:

I saw like 60 new posts - made the foolish assumption maybe there was some season ticket news!

This forum is like bloody groundhog day at the moment.

The same half a dozen posters, making the same half a dozen points about bloody Pearson / Manning / Tinnion / FFP on EVERY BLOODY THREAD. I get that it's important but my god it's hard reading at the moment.

There are about 10 threads on this already.

Any little dig

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 hours ago, IAmNick said:

I saw like 60 new posts - made the foolish assumption maybe there was some season ticket news!

This forum is like bloody groundhog day at the moment.

The same half a dozen posters, making the same half a dozen points about bloody Pearson / Manning / Tinnion / FFP on EVERY BLOODY THREAD. I get that it's important but my god it's hard reading at the moment.

There are about 10 threads on this already.

Sadly it will roll on somewhat until the side push on and show sustained positivity but perhaps shouldn't cut across threads so much.

[IAmNick]

10 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Any little dig

Eh?

[Tinmans Love Child]

7 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Absolutely. 

GJ did brilliantly to get us up and then the following season was just magic. 

But after that he signed players that he struggled to manage and then some proper shite. The roots to our relegation lead to GJ. 

Same with LJ. Did well to keep us in this division and then built upon that to get us competing for the play offs but then just like his Dad he signed players he struggled to managed and then also signed some proper shite. 

We'd probably have got relegated this time too if it wasn't for Pearson. 

 

I wonder if we suffer from not being an attractive club so we have to dish out longer contracts than some of the perceived bigger clubs do to try and get the player?  Especially when you chuck in the mix a perceived lower division manager like GJ, LJ, LM etc who doesn't have the pulling power?

[robinforlife2]

5 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

Who said Lampard? Certainly not me 

And as I mentioned previously - it’s irrelevant who I would have liked / wanted. 
 

The point I’m making is - we could have done better than someone who failed with MK Dons and has done nothing in the game to warrant the job he currently resides in 

Could we though? What so called bigger names came out as being linked, or applied, or wanted the position. Manning has to start somewhere, and clearly was considered the best of the younger brigade of coach we wanted to employ. It's alright saying we could have done better, so name who we could have hired who was better, and fit the remit the club wanted? 

[robinforlife2]

53 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I wonder if we suffer from not being an attractive club so we have to dish out longer contracts than some of the perceived bigger clubs do to try and get the player?  Especially when you chuck in the mix a perceived lower division manager like GJ, LJ, LM etc who doesn't have the pulling power?

This would definitely be a reason. A friend of mine who played always said, you have to consider the next contract you sign could be your last, so it's better to go to a club that would give you a long deal and a chunk of money, than a more desirable club who may give you less money and less years. 

Some clubs don't consider giving more than 2-3 year contracts as they think it makes players get comfortable and lazy. 

[Davefevs]

Just now, robinforlife2 said:

Could we though? What so called bigger names came out as being linked, or applied, or wanted the position. Manning has to start somewhere, and clearly was considered the best of the younger brigade of coach we wanted to employ. It's alright saying we could have done better, so name who we could have hired who was better, and fit the remit the club wanted? 

Eustace was linked.  Others who might’ve been tempted, Schumacher, Richardson, just off the top of my head.  All 3 now employed at Championship.  Schumacher in particular showed he was poachable despite being in employment.

I’m not saying they are my choices per se, but just names being thrown out in response to your question.

[RollsRoyce]

So any news on season ticket prices ?

[TDarwall]

9 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

So any news on season ticket prices ?

Not ITK but reliably told that Nige wanted them discounted, but Manning wants 50% price hike but more cheap kids seats in South Stand.

[Andy082005]

10 hours ago, robinforlife2 said:

Could we though? What so called bigger names came out as being linked, or applied, or wanted the position. Manning has to start somewhere, and clearly was considered the best of the younger brigade of coach we wanted to employ. It's alright saying we could have done better, so name who we could have hired who was better, and fit the remit the club wanted? 

What’s the clubs remit? 
 

I see it as ‘employ someone who just says yes all the time because they are grateful to get an opportunity that’s unlikely they would get elsewhere in this league’

 

[robinforlife2]

5 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

What’s the clubs remit? 
 

I see it as ‘employ someone who just says yes all the time because they are grateful to get an opportunity that’s unlikely they would get elsewhere in this league’

 

They want a young coach, who will play possession football, and look to develop young players. They didn't want a manager, with their own ideas, they wanted someone who would work within the parameters set. Anyone who may have been interested, would have dropped their interest when they knew the confounds they had to work with, so in reality Manning was probably the best candidate willing to work within those limits. For all, everyone says, we should have kept Pearson. Nige was at a point where I'm sure he felt, right we have done the hard part, we've steadied the ship, but now I want to do it this way and have the backing, and that was not what the club wanted, so in many ways, he done the job he was employed to do, but needed someone new to continue the set model and try and get more out of what we had. You may not be wrong in your assessment, but Manning reminds me of a young Eddie Howe, more than a young Lee Johnson. I think he'll come good, but I do think he was thrown in at the deep end. 

[robinforlife2]

16 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Eustace was linked.  Others who might’ve been tempted, Schumacher, Richardson, just off the top of my head.  All 3 now employed at Championship.  Schumacher in particular showed he was poachable despite being in employment.

I’m not saying they are my choices per se, but just names being thrown out in response to your question.

Whilst I would agree Schumacher would have been a good appointment, I don't think he would have left Plymouth for us. I would personally have Manning over Richardson or Eustace. 

[Davefevs]

7 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said:

Nige was at a point where I'm sure he felt, right we have done the hard part, we've steadied the ship, but now I want to do it this way and have the backing, and that was not what the club wanted, so in many ways, he done the job he was employed to do, but needed someone new to continue the set model and try and get more out of what we had.

No, Nige wasn’t about to change what he wanted to so, the strategy / plan (agreed by all don’t forget) was set and was being followed. He had the rug pulled from under him.

He didn’t suddenly come up with fresh demands that were unreasonable or not part of the plan.

That is wrong to suggest that was the case.