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A sad day for SW football. 

Think Gary Johnson stayed in post because they couldn’t afford to sack him. Clearly, we saw peak GJ. He’s sounded a broken man in recent interviews. Best for him and his health to walk away now. Cheers Gary and thanks for our journey. 

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Listened to Talksport briefly today and they were discussing that Torquay have gone into administration.

The journalist they had on was talking about their owner, and he ( the journalist) commented that what fans want from an owner is that they leave the club in a better situation than it was when they took it on.

Given all the negativity surrounding SL and recent events, allied to many fans apparently wanting SL to sell the club and make way for a new owner it got me thinking.

If SL sold up tomorrow do you think that he would be leaving the club in a better situation than when he became the owner?

 

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7 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Listened to Talksport briefly today and they were discussing that Torquay have gone into administration.

The journalist they had on was talking about their owner, and he ( the journalist) commented that what fans want from an owner is that they leave the club in a better situation than it was when they took it on.

Given all the negativity surrounding SL and recent events, allied to many fans apparently wanting SL to sell the club and make way for a new owner it got me thinking.

If SL sold up tomorrow do you think that he would be leaving the club in a better situation than when he became the owner?

 

Depends. Who knows how he will leave it. Lots of variables to go yet.  Taking it that he sells us fairly (which he will I think) then the infrastructure is better than he inherited but for me that’s about it (and I’ve gripes about how he’s done that also).  Given the money he’s spent his tenure has been an abject failure on the pitch. Just my opinion.   

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I wonder if they have calculated that they have no real chance in playoffs or of relegation so a good opportunity to get points deducted this season and go again next year?

Good luck to them though especially whilst GJ is the manager still, went there for a pre season friendly about 12 years ago where looking at an old photo the likes of Ryan Taylor, Martyn Woolford and David James were playing for City. Hope they get back into the FL at some stage.

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City - yes undoubtedly better.  Anyone who disagrees tends to either come down on "we should have been better" or "we don't own the ground", but we do.  BCFC Holdings owns the club and the ground in separate subsidiary companies and anyone who still has shares has them in BCFC holdings, so owns part of the ground.

Torquay - wasn't this the mob who left Swindon is such a state and then moved on to Torquay in the hope of persuading the council to sell them the leased ground, which they would then have presumably sold for development and then put the club up for sale.  The council wasn't so daft after all.

I grew up with the three Devon clubs almost always in Division 4 and Yeovil in the Conference but with regular cup runs.  It's a shame how far Torquay and Yeovil have fallen.

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1 hour ago, mason said:

With the new sporting quarter about to rise thats great, but for who? will it put millions more into B.C.F.C ?

I'd say, it depends.

It could do but the Devil will be in the Detail..Hotel, Car Parking, Events yeah. Other bits? Maybe.

Could put one or two other bits under ownership of the club and rent to the Basketball e.g., would have to see what exactly it encompasses and how it is split.

Bigger Sports, bigger Group Namimg Rights potential.

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1 hour ago, downendcity said:

Listened to Talksport briefly today and they were discussing that Torquay have gone into administration.

The journalist they had on was talking about their owner, and he ( the journalist) commented that what fans want from an owner is that they leave the club in a better situation than it was when they took it on.

Given all the negativity surrounding SL and recent events, allied to many fans apparently wanting SL to sell the club and make way for a new owner it got me thinking.

If SL sold up tomorrow do you think that he would be leaving the club in a better situation than when he became the owner?

 

Definitely. We are an established Championship team with an excellent stadium and training facilities with multiple revenue streams. 
 

Chuck in the planning permission The Bears and the money that has brought to the area I don’t see anyway you can’t say things are better. 
 

The yearning for Premier League football before many of us turn our toes up does skew people opinions somewhat. Including me!

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1 hour ago, downendcity said:

Listened to Talksport briefly today and they were discussing that Torquay have gone into administration.

The journalist they had on was talking about their owner, and he ( the journalist) commented that what fans want from an owner is that they leave the club in a better situation than it was when they took it on.

Given all the negativity surrounding SL and recent events, allied to many fans apparently wanting SL to sell the club and make way for a new owner it got me thinking.

If SL sold up tomorrow do you think that he would be leaving the club in a better situation than when he became the owner?

 

Absolutely

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2 hours ago, RedRock said:

A sad day for SW football. 

Think Gary Johnson stayed in post because they couldn’t afford to sack him. Clearly, we saw peak GJ. He’s sounded a broken man in recent interviews. Best for him and his health to walk away now. Cheers Gary and thanks for our journey. 

I heard that about Johnson who I imagine is a wealthy man, and by all accounts a real football man.

If true why be part of the reason your club went under?

Clearly more to it than that and the owners sound rotten, but if they couldnt afford to sack him in the hopes of turning things around on the pitch then why not walk and give them the chance?

 

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1 minute ago, Natchfever said:

I heard that about Johnson who I imagine is a wealthy man, and by all accounts a real football man.

If true why be part of the reason your club went under?

Clearly more to it than that and the owners sound rotten, but if they couldnt afford to sack him in the hopes of turning things around on the pitch then why not walk and give them the chance?

 

Agree, I’m surprised that considering his age, past health problems and the fact he rarely has a plan b, that after missing out so closely in the playoffs a few years ago that he didn’t quit then. Though Torquay themselves must take some blame for giving him a contract that long that they couldn’t afford if promotion didn’t happen.

Really hope they survive this without dropping too much, they still average over 2000 stuck in mid table in the sixth tier, so there’s an appetite for football in the town. 

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I’ve always had soft spot for Torquay Utd - been to Plainmoor several times over the years and it’s a real shame that the club has fallen so far.

It’s financially very tough in the lower leagues especially as the low attendances does not provide much income, no TV income either

Because of the league position it’s difficult to recruit decent players and managers - it’s a vicious circle.

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Anthony Osborne still involved?

He has a habit of running sports clubs into the ground and then selling the stadium for housing, he did it with Swindon speedway recently, their stadium is now pretty much Taylor Wimpey houses now..

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I'm not the least surprised at TUFC's administration. I had the misfortune of being in the same form as the owner (Clarke Osbourne) at Sodbury Crammer in the 60's. He was a total jerk, an inveterate liar even then, and guess what, his father was on the board of one Bristol Rovers and greyhound stadium, also commercial director. Got his money from his old man after selling Eastville  (thereby hangs a tale), gone on to many shady business deals and looks like not finished yet !

1 minute ago, M.D said:

Anthony Osborne still involved?

He has a habit of running sports clubs into the ground and then selling the stadium for housing, he did it with Swindon speedway recently, their stadium is now pretty much Taylor Wimpey houses now..

Clarke 

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37 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

I'm not the least surprised at TUFC's administration. I had the misfortune of being in the same form as the owner (Clarke Osbourne) at Sodbury Crammer in the 60's. He was a total jerk, an inveterate liar even then, and guess what, his father was on the board of one Bristol Rovers and greyhound stadium, also commercial director. Got his money from his old man after selling Eastville  (thereby hangs a tale), gone on to many shady business deals and looks like not finished yet !

Clarke 

I used to work with his wife….she was ruthless as well.

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Torquay have not yet entered Administration.

However the shareholder has issued a formal notice stating that it has the intention to appoint an Administrator.

I have heard that if that happens the club will be unable to meet the remaining fixtures, and will therefore be expelled from the Conference mid-season.

Time for someone else to fund the £1 million a year cash deficit of running a Conference club.

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14 minutes ago, Hxj said:

Torquay have not yet entered Administration.

However the shareholder has issued a formal notice stating that it has the intention to appoint an Administrator.

I have heard that if that happens the club will be unable to meet the remaining fixtures, and will therefore be expelled from the Conference mid-season.

Time for someone else to fund the £1 million a year cash deficit of running a Conference club.

Is that right? Fans I’ve spoken to are expecting a 10 point deduction, leaving them just above the relegation zone.

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2 hours ago, M.D said:

Anthony Osborne still involved?

He has a habit of running sports clubs into the ground and then selling the stadium for housing, he did it with Swindon speedway recently, their stadium is now pretty much Taylor Wimpey houses now..

Clarke Osborne - that's him , he was involved with the Gas & instrumental in selling Eastville to IKEA, tried it on at Swindon, and has been trying to buy Plainmoor ( it's council owned) so he can use it to " fund a new stadium" yeah right. Apparently he never attended Torquay games.

A parasite who sees a club in need of financial help as a way to acquire cheap real estate.

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13 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

Clarke Osborne - that's him , he was involved with the Gas & instrumental in selling Eastville to IKEA, tried it on at Swindon, and has been trying to buy Plainmoor ( it's council owned) so he can use it to " fund a new stadium" yeah right. Apparently he never attended Torquay games.

A parasite who sees a club in need of financial help as a way to acquire cheap real estate.

He has been instrumental in the closing of many speedway/greyhound stadia, all gone for housing.

Has fingers in many pies, look at him on companies house to see how many companies he was/is involved in.

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23 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

Clarke Osborne - that's him , he was involved with the Gas & instrumental in selling Eastville to IKEA, tried it on at Swindon, and has been trying to buy Plainmoor ( it's council owned) so he can use it to " fund a new stadium" yeah right. Apparently he never attended Torquay games.

A parasite who sees a club in need of financial help as a way to acquire cheap real estate.

Fit and proper person then doesnt apply in the National Leagues ?

Shocking.

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21 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

That they’ll be unable to fulfill their fixtures 

Somebody has to fund the generously low say £250,000 to get them to the end of the season.

The shareholders might, but then why would you threaten administration in the middle of a season and not wait until 31 May? 

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16 minutes ago, Hxj said:

Somebody has to fund the generously low say £250,000 to get them to the end of the season.

The shareholders might, but then why would you threaten administration in the middle of a season and not wait until 31 May? 

Interesting but difficult times ahead.

I’m working on Saturday but might buy a ticket for the match anyway. It really would be grim if they drop even further……or worse! 

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1 hour ago, ralphindevon said:

Interesting but difficult times ahead.

I’m working on Saturday but might buy a ticket for the match anyway. It really would be grim if they drop even further……or worse! 

Will Exeter (or to a lesser extent ,Plymouth) fans be acting like we would if the same thing was happening to the gash, as I believe there was no love lost between them ?

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39 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Will Exeter (or to a lesser extent ,Plymouth) fans be acting like we would if the same thing was happening to the gash, as I believe there was no love lost between them ?

I did see a post from a Plymouth supporters club asking for fans to attend Torquay matches when possible to offer support. Torquay have fallen so far plus there’s room for more than the two league clubs Devon currently has.

As for our situation, same city rivalries are a quite different and you could argue there’s not room for two clubs in the city, so………….

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58 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Will Exeter (or to a lesser extent ,Plymouth) fans be acting like we would if the same thing was happening to the gash, as I believe there was no love lost between them ?

Not to the same extent. The main rivalry is Plymouth and Exeter. I would place Torquay to them in a similar way that Yeovil used to be for us. Close, but not the main rivals and animosity has never really built up.

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1 hour ago, ralphindevon said:

I did see a post from a Plymouth supporters club asking for fans to attend Torquay matches when possible to offer support. Torquay have fallen so far plus there’s room for more than the two league clubs Devon currently has.

As for our situation, same city rivalries are a quite different and you could argue there’s not room for two clubs in the city, so………….

Yes having lived in Devon for 3 years, no one outside of Torquay has much interest in Torquay! Plymouth v Exeter is a pretty fierce rivalry though.

I think Torquay stayed full-time in National League South which would be insane if true.

I was at Plainmoor for the infamous Torquay v Bristol City game in 83/84. 

 

 

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As a boy who was born in Paignton, my first experience of league football was a Torquay game vs Southport in the FA Cup (I think) back in '78 or so.  May have been '77 but I do remember it was a birthday party!  And then I was an unused substitute 2 seasons on the trot for Oldway in the Beulieu Cup Final at Plainmoor.  I think that might be a record.

Anyway, I always have a soft spot for Torquay as a club.

I did a recent contract with B&NES Council and worked with a guy called Tim who saw them home and away every game.  Spent many a happy hour distracting ourselves from work with TUFC v City discussions.

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7 hours ago, fgrsimon said:

Yes having lived in Devon for 3 years, no one outside of Torquay has much interest in Torquay! Plymouth v Exeter is a pretty fierce rivalry though.

I think Torquay stayed full-time in National League South which would be insane if true.

I was at Plainmoor for the infamous Torquay v Bristol City game in 83/84. 

 

 

Yes Torquay and Yeovil are full time and I think Worthing and Maidstone are pretty much full time. Eastbourne were considering it but are third bottom so that’s not going well.

I was at that Torquay game too, great memories. In fact Torquay were the first league team I saw whilst on holiday when they played Saturday evenings. I still go at least once a year now.

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10 hours ago, The Nest Egg said:

Not to the same extent. The main rivalry is Plymouth and Exeter. I would place Torquay to them in a similar way that Yeovil used to be for us. Close, but not the main rivals and animosity has never really built up.

Went to an Exeter Torquay game years ago and the home fans response to Torquay was effectively we don’t care enough to hate you! Defo Argyle Exeter over everything.

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9 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

When I think of Torquay I think of over-turned police-cars, the Nolan sisters and boats !!!!

I must have been stood no more than 10 meters from that police van when it went over, also remember the city fans in a boat on the harbour.

Sadly I missed the Nolan sisters

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9 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

I must have been stood no more than 10 meters from that police van when it went over, also remember the city fans in a boat on the harbour.

Sadly I missed the Nolan sisters

To be fair there was only one sister there but it always brings a smile to my face when I hear ‘I’m in the mood for dancing’ on the radio 😄

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Torquay used to play their games on Saturday nights. The reason being people arrive on holiday o a Saturday and might be looking for entertainment and attend the match. That increased he gate receipts. I went a couple of times; there were special busses laid on from Brixham as well as Paignton. Ironically the first game I saw at Plainmoor, they were home to.....Rochdale.

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10 hours ago, fgrsimon said:

Yes having lived in Devon for 3 years, no one outside of Torquay has much interest in Torquay! Plymouth v Exeter is a pretty fierce rivalry though.

I think Torquay stayed full-time in National League South which would be insane if true.

I was at Plainmoor for the infamous Torquay v Bristol City game in 83/84. 

 

 

Having lived in South Devon for 35+ years, I think you will find Newton Abbot is very much a Torquay Utd town.  

Genuinely feel for their supporters as they are amongst the most passionate about their Club as any fans I’ve met. Hope they can find a way back to regain Football League status sooner rather than later. 
 

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1 hour ago, steveybadger said:

Went to an Exeter Torquay game years ago and the home fans response to Torquay was effectively we don’t care enough to hate you! Defo Argyle Exeter over everything.

"We only laugh at the Torquay" is what Argyle fans used to sing. I've been to Exeter vs Torquay and Exeter vs Plymouth games and there is simply no comparison. As previous posters have mentioned its like us and yeovil, not much in it.

Exeter vs Argyle though... now that is tasty. Must be the second biggest derby in these parts after us against the blue few

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14 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

Will Exeter (or to a lesser extent ,Plymouth) fans be acting like we would if the same thing was happening to the gash, as I believe there was no love lost between them ?

 

 

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2 hours ago, RedRock said:

Having lived in South Devon for 35+ years, I think you will find Newton Abbot is very much a Torquay Utd town.  

Genuinely feel for their supporters as they are amongst the most passionate about their Club as any fans I’ve met. Hope they can find a way back to regain Football League status sooner rather than later. 
 

In the late 60s Torquay had crowds of 10,000 on a lot of occasions in the third tier, went to a lot of there Saturday night gams, they were nearly promoted a couple of times.

The big Derby at the time was Torquay v Argyle, Exeter were not in the equation as they spent at least 10 years in the bottom tier.

South Devon was very much Torquay you had to reach Totnes,Ashburton Buckfastleigh before Argyle support became prominent.

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21 hours ago, CodeRed said:

Clarke Osborne - that's him , he was involved with the Gas & instrumental in selling Eastville to IKEA, tried it on at Swindon, and has been trying to buy Plainmoor ( it's council owned) so he can use it to " fund a new stadium" yeah right. Apparently he never attended Torquay games.

A parasite who sees a club in need of financial help as a way to acquire cheap real estate.

 

Your post summed up pretty much everything I wanted to say.  Gulls fans knew this chancer was running them into the ground. I'm afraid GJ has significantly tarnished his legacy as well by staying on, earning reputedly the biggest managerial salary in National South but grinding out terrible results. I mean, how can a team of full-time professionals (with half decent training facilities as well) manage to lose 0-4 at home to part-time St Albans City?

There are said to be some wealthy fans looking to potentially buy the club, without its debts, but the points deduction leaves it 18th and without a win since January 20th and managerless, relegation to the Southern League is entirely possible, which would mean the end of the club as a full-time outfit. 

Yeovil, by contrast, are quids in bounce back to Tier 5 on their first attempt. 

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9 hours ago, RedRock said:

Having lived in South Devon for 35+ years, I think you will find Newton Abbot is very much a Torquay Utd town.  

Genuinely feel for their supporters as they are amongst the most passionate about their Club as any fans I’ve met. Hope they can find a way back to regain Football League status sooner rather than later. 
 

Yeah should have said outside of Torbay really I know NA is not really part of Torbay but it's where the railway diverges and is very close to Torquay.

Lets hope that they get a new owner soon but if they get a -10 deduction they could be dragged into the relegation fight with Truro and Taunton.

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On 22/02/2024 at 14:23, downendcity said:

Listened to Talksport briefly today and they were discussing that Torquay have gone into administration.

The journalist they had on was talking about their owner, and he ( the journalist) commented that what fans want from an owner is that they leave the club in a better situation than it was when they took it on.

Given all the negativity surrounding SL and recent events, allied to many fans apparently wanting SL to sell the club and make way for a new owner it got me thinking.

If SL sold up tomorrow do you think that he would be leaving the club in a better situation than when he became the owner?

 

Yes

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On 22/02/2024 at 14:32, glynriley said:

Unquestionably. Better facilities and continued second tier football show that.

I think the problem for the Lansdowns is their continued inability to find the right formula. Flip flopping all over the place and getting nowhere fast.

He'd leave us in a better place, but it could have been so much better if he'd have stuck to a plan.

Their issue is talk about PL ambitions. Our transfer strategy has to improve. Look at who Hull invested in. 

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13 hours ago, fgrsimon said:

Yeah should have said outside of Torbay really I know NA is not really part of Torbay but it's where the railway diverges and is very close to Torquay.

Lets hope that they get a new owner soon but if they get a -10 deduction they could be dragged into the relegation fight with Truro and Taunton.

 

It has always baffled me that Taunton Town FC has never risen to a better level.

Taunton is a big place with no local rivals and keen on sport as the support for Somerset Cricket Club shows.

I used to live there as a kid and still faintly know a small number of people there. Whilst the cricket was a big deal I never had one conversation about TTFC and the only connection was one of my parents' friends had a season ticket as his birthday present each year.

Now there is a sleeping giant, albeit a non-league one.

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On 23/02/2024 at 09:49, ralphindevon said:

I must have been stood no more than 10 meters from that police van when it went over, also remember the city fans in a boat on the harbour.

Sadly I missed the Nolan sisters

I can still hear the tremendous crash as the police van went over,I know you shouldn't laugh but 😂😂😂

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