jiggers58 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Hearing lots of fans at the past two games mentioning the Southampton game and how can we play so well in that game then lose to QPR, Wednesday and Cardiff. It’s so predictable and the answer is fairly simple. The main difference is that Southampton came to win. They had the majority of possession and we took advantage on the counter. The other teams line up with banks on 5 and 4 behind the ball and let us play across the back four, playing in front of them, team are happy to let us try and break them down. We cannot or do not have the qualify to break sides down. There is a severe lack of creativity when we have possession and slow the game down with the opposition in front of us. Are they told to play like that? We are most effective when we have no time to think and counter at pace. The last three games we could not do that as when we are passing between Vyner and Dickie and back again, allowing teams to set and sit behind the ball - teams know this and don’t even bother pressing us. The problem is we then have no plan B. That is the sign of a decent manger to change things up - 2 up top, playing wide - no chance with Manning by the look of it. Let’s try the same thing over but with varying personnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham76 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 At one point today we passed the ball across the back for about 5 minutes until we eventually misplaced a pass and lost possession. I really dont get it 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 30 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Said this elsewhere but, if the players can’t play the system then it is the wrong system, no matter how good it is in theory. Exactly right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 One of the problems LM faces in games is that unless the other manager doesn't set up his team the way he wants, he really is in trouble. There is no plan to counter the other team, subs are like for like set by an alarm clock....... It's so poor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 56 minutes ago, The Journalist said: The past three-six months have been complete self sabotage. I’ve never felt more disconnected from the whole thing. The lowest I ever felt was the Holden appointment, but this isn’t far off. I think how unnecessary this all is makes it particularly frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journalist Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, luke_bristol said: The lowest I ever felt was the Holden appointment, but this isn’t far off. I think how unnecessary this all is makes it particularly frustrating. I liked Holden, though. He was clearly out of his depth and the wrong appointment but I liked his intent, how he wanted to go about it, his personality. Manning - and everything about us currently - feels so sterile and meh. I’ve no real affection for him, no attachment, no real feeling of wanting him to do well. Maybe that’s just me - or on me - but it is what it is. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 22 minutes ago, The Journalist said: I liked Holden, though. He was clearly out of his depth and the wrong appointment but I liked his intent, how he wanted to go about it, his personality. Manning - and everything about us currently - feels so sterile and meh. I’ve no real affection for him, no attachment, no real feeling of wanting him to do well. Maybe that’s just me - or on me - but it is what it is. Manning offers nothing. Like for like substitutions in a system that isn’t working. No Plan B. No passion. Nothing. Football like almost all sport is not played in theory but in reality. As much as it can be about tactics, it’s also about desire and passion. Its not played in some sterile vacuum. Would I be inspired by Manning, who achieved nothing as a player, nothing tangible as a manager, already had one sacking on his brief senior level career, and who seems to have zero man management skills? No. And I don’t think the payers are either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 30 minutes ago, The Journalist said: I liked Holden, though. He was clearly out of his depth and the wrong appointment but I liked his intent, how he wanted to go about it, his personality. Manning - and everything about us currently - feels so sterile and meh. I’ve no real affection for him, no attachment, no real feeling of wanting him to do well. Maybe that’s just me - or on me - but it is what it is. I really think a big part of his downfall is the whole ‘don’t show any emotion’ lines. It’s why so many never warmed to SO’D. Admitting that you shouldn’t have celebrated with fans after a win, or that players shouldn’t show frustration on the pitch when losing, sucks all connection out of club and fans. Which is quite ironic, given loads never warmed to the previous regime because they didn’t do a lap of the pitch clapping the fans at FT. Comparing the connection between fans and players/staff from then to now, is absolute night and day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, jiggers58 said: The other teams line up with banks on 5 and 4 behind the ball I didn't see Cardiff operating a low block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 8 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: I didn't see Cardiff operating a low block. Let’s be honest, they were shite as well. That’s the frustration I know we were outclassed by Leeds but realistically we’re not their level. Cardiff are us, same points before the game, same level of players & we barely laid a glove on them. The football is sterile too, incredibly dull to sit through. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, The Journalist said: The past three-six months have been complete self sabotage. I’ve never felt more disconnected from the whole thing. The moment I heard Nige talk about budgets I thought he was trying to be smart around new contracts for existing players and signings with the Scott money. Then the window ended and I really couldn’t rationalise it. I called it “self harm” rather than “sabotage”, but same difference. What confirmed it was the Phil Alexander SOTC interview. Hostage to the shit-running of the club from SL down. This weeks interview from LM on the back of some rumours of a staff meeting and admission that LM can’t get the players to play how he wants was a huge turning point for me. Today compounds it. What a cluster####. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 19 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Let’s be honest, they were shite as well. That’s the frustration I know we were outclassed by Leeds but realistically we’re not their level. Cardiff are us, same points before the game, same level of players & we barely laid a glove on them. The football is sterile too, incredibly dull to sit through. I didn’t mind losing to Leeds in one sense because they were clearly so much better than us. The defeats at home under Manning that really show up the problem are the three 1-0 defeats to Millwall, QPR and today to Cardiff. No cutting edge, no threat, no attack to speak off, just dull turgid possession for possessions’ sake, going nowhere passing along the back line or back to the goalkeeper. Only 1 upfront, who often has to drop back, such that if we ever do get the ball in the penalty box, that player isn’t there. It’s terrible to watch and easy to defend against. The lack of goals from our forwards from open play speaks to the fact that this system doesn’t work with the players we have got. I feel sorry for Wells and Conway because they have an impossible job. I said before that Harry Kane would struggle to score for us right now. Well I have changed my mind. Even Eeling Haaland would struggle to even get a chance as the centre forward playing for us. There are just no chances being made for the strikers. And if I remember correctly, the objective of football is to score more goals than the opposition. Not under Manning it would seem! Edited March 2 by Dr Balls 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggers58 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, Roger Red Hat said: I didn't see Cardiff operating a low block. Time after time there were banks of 4, with zero press……… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 hours ago, Spike said: We lost 2-0 to Cardiff away and put on a better performance than that under Pearson and he had half a squad out injured and he got sacked for it. I don't blame the players, they played as they were instructed to and you could see it was not working, what did Manning do.... nothing. In my eyes Manning had the players to win that game, he had double the squad depth his predecessor had, he had the backing of the board unlike his predecessor and he still refused to adapt and it resulted in a worse performance. I'm done with Manning, for the first time in a very very long time I can comfortably say I actually want a manager gone early into his time here. I'd rather have O'Driscoll, Millen, even McInnes over Manning. I'm sure many people will say that's a knee-jerk reaction but I will say this, not one of those men played the same tactics, same gameplan and refused to adapt for three straight games as we were completely nullified. Manning isn't ever going to accept he's responsible so we'll continue on with the same shit, getting excited when teams open up against us allowing Mannings football to work and maybe picking up surprise wins and losing the rest to teams who identify our playstyle, nullify it and laugh at Manning on the sideline looking lost. I agree with everything here & this mirrors how I feel. The only point I’d question is to whether he has actually been backed. We brought in Mebude who is an untried kid and in essence swapped Weimann for Twine. The squad depth has been a disgrace and we only named 7 subs that included 3 who have never started a championship game. I also want him gone but we failed dismally in Jan window to help us as a team so no amount of bullshit from Tinnion will convince me otherwise. This was so avoidable & unfortunately all us fans are suffering for 3 peoples deficiencies. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 hours ago, The Original OTIB said: Hate to say it, but Colin type needed asap. Not a chance in hell as long as the Lansdowns run our club. And that goes for anybody who has even an ounce of football credibility. Amazing they ever employed Nigel come to think of it. We will never see a "name" manager at the club again, as long as the Muppets have control . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Shuffle said: I agree with everything here & this mirrors how I feel. The only point I’d question is to whether he has actually been backed. We brought in Mebude who is an untried kid and in essence swapped Weimann for Twine. The squad depth has been a disgrace and we only named 7 subs that included 3 who have never started a championship game. I also want him gone but we failed dismally in Jan window to help us as a team so no amount of bullshit from Tinnion will convince me otherwise. This was so avoidable & unfortunately all us fans are suffering for 3 peoples deficiencies. The same Weimann who has featured 7 times for a side in fifth spot (2 starts 5 as sub) & has 2 goals & an assist. Absolute insanity to think he wouldn’t improve our side, let alone a bench comprising kids, Cornick & Mehmeti. Edited March 2 by GrahamC 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Fete Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: The moment I heard Nige talk about budgets I thought he was trying to be smart around new contracts for existing players and signings with the Scott money. Then the window ended and I really couldn’t rationalise it. I called it “self harm” rather than “sabotage”, but same difference. What confirmed it was the Phil Alexander SOTC interview. Hostage to the shit-running of the club from SL down. This weeks interview from LM on the back of some rumours of a staff meeting and admission that LM can’t get the players to play how he wants was a huge turning point for me. Today compounds it. What a cluster####. The players look so short of confidence, it’s like they’re constantly caught in two minds of instinct or ‘the plan’. It’s turned them into robots. I honestly feel sorry for the players at the moment, they can’t enjoy playing with such restrictions 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_s Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Hate to depress you further but realistically Manning will be here at least until Christmas. No way will the club lose face but if things are looking shite by Christmas/New Year then he'll be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 41 minutes ago, Rich_s said: Hate to depress you further but realistically Manning will be here at least until Christmas. No way will the club lose face but if things are looking shite by Christmas/New Year then he'll be gone. I think that really depends on what happens in the next 11 games. Even the Lansdown regime couldn’t keep on a manager who oversaw a relegation after 2/3 of the season in charge. There might actually be a reaction from the fans more than just the usual griping on here were that to happen. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 First half grade C. It was ok. Cardiff did nothing and nor did we. 2nd half Cardiff scored. We did nothing. Grade E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 6 hours ago, The Original OTIB said: TYPE, Not Colin. Type means man manager and motivator. This could seriously spiral out of control. That would call for experience needed. The structure we have over his head will make it almost impossible to be attractive (except for the money) won't be attractive to anyone worthwhile. Something has to change in how we operate, or with who. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 52 minutes ago, DaveInSA said: First half grade C. It was ok. Cardiff did nothing and nor did we. 2nd half Cardiff scored. We did nothing. Grade E. Yep. The first half is fine if you then kick on and win the game, or at least create enough chances to think you should have done. We didn't do that, quite the opposite in fact until about 5 minutes left and we threw the kitchen sink at it. Edited March 2 by Northern Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 It may just be a question of DNA. Maybe Liam's a the wrong sort?? Or in the view of JL, maybe the fans have the wrong DNA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Bat Fastard said: It may just be a question of DNA. Maybe Liam's a the wrong sort?? Or in the view of JL, maybe the fans have the wrong DNA? Well I’m totally convinced the Lansdowns’ have!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 9 hours ago, GrahamC said: Let’s be honest, they were shite as well. That’s the frustration I know we were outclassed by Leeds but realistically we’re not their level. Cardiff are us, same points before the game, same level of players & we barely laid a glove on them. The football is sterile too, incredibly dull to sit through. This is spot on. Cardiff were absolutely terrible. There’s very easily a world in which we get a corner and Dickie nods it in and we win 1-0. That doesn’t change anything. The football under this manager is torture, he needs to be removed asap, and the two ******* idiots that sacked Nigel Pearson and appointed him also need to removed. 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubStixx Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 I was sat watching match of the day earlier and it was like watching a different sport to what was served up today. It was disjointed, slow and quite frankly, abject. Our attendance figures are excellent, but they are going to fall off a cliff never year I'd imagine and that can't be tolerated. Maybe not this season, but to me, the trajectory is down to League One. Something needs to change now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 17 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: Not a chance in hell as long as the Lansdowns run our club. And that goes for anybody who has even an ounce of football credibility. Amazing they ever employed Nigel come to think of it. We will never see a "name" manager at the club again, as long as the Muppets have control . I worry the same but also thought that after Coppel, Pearson came after that whole shit show so I think what it comes down to with the "named managers" is how desperate our board get. If we find ourselves in a bad financial situation and needing quality I think they'd be tempted to bring in a manager with a lot of contacts because an 'up and coming' manager just doesn't have those links or that weight behind them. I really hope there is a point where they have a "**** it, we've had enough" appointment and give us a big name hoping it'll go bad so the fans stop demanding big name managers. In many ways I wonder if that was what Pearson was and then they found out how yes men only work if the people above them know what they're doing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 23 hours ago, Robin101 said: Terrified we give him another transfer window, millions of pounds, and sack him 10 games into next season Just catching up on this thread, well said mate. You can easily see this happening right now, and then again mid season we'll need another re-build. Unless we see a major reaction and up turn in performances he surely needs to go before close season. 23 hours ago, TomThumb84 said: For such a student of the game as our Liam is, I was relieved to hear that Scotty Murray had to tell him yesterday how important our Severnside derby is. I literally have no feelings about this bloke. The most unoffensive yet uninspiring guy who has ever managed us. He could walk into my house and help himself to a beer and I wouldnt notice. Just brilliant Tom! Gave me a good laugh at least but it does indeed feel like that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 As has already been said, if we sack LM, BT,and JL and bring in Pep til the end of the season we are still forked! There is now no structure to the club of people with footballing ability and knowledge. The club needs rebuilding with football people from the bottom to the top. I said before there is no-one at the club now in a position of authority who I have any respect for. The annual rebuild this year needs to take place off the pitch not on it! Over to you Steve. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 02/03/2024 at 14:29, DaveF said: Completely disillusioned with this club. Getting the point where I don't even care anymore... The football is terrible, the manager is completely uninspiring, dread watching us play at the moment. Well that's patently untrue or you wouldn't be posting on here . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 41 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Well that's patently untrue or you wouldn't be posting on here . Much less frequently than in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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