They've literally lost the fan base...

[T R]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

....from everyone in it together, players and fans under NP, all pulling together, getting it, fighting, respect, understanding...a feeling of we are all pulling in the same direction. A feeling of togetherness. Fighting, supportive, but respectful and knowing our ability and limits. 

To this bullshit within a few months. 

Talk about not understanding football, your fanbase, and totally thinking you and the squad are better than they are. 

Delusional. 

It's a reflection of how many in Government/Politics read and understand the country and what's needed. 

In it for themselves...out of their depth and massively delusional. 

The fact a fan base can see it, call it...but our ' leaders' can't is stunning.

' Tecknically and Proffesionally ' sp inept. 

 

I never expected that from you spuds but you are totally spot on. I never felt so low after this game and when pearson was sacked. Jon Lansdown and Brian Tinnion are living in dream world expecting us to play the style we are but we can never afford the players to do this style. This month they'll be calling out the begging letters to renew our seasons tickets with the expectations of a top six finish next season. But I cannot put up with these lies and type of football. I just don't know what the answers are unless tinnion and jon go. 

On the positive side of things I met 2 lovely ladies who are Juventus supporters. I still have the old Magic! 

[spudski]

1 minute ago, T R said:

I never expected that from you spuds but you are totally spot on. I never felt so low after this game and when pearson was sacked. Jon Lansdown and Brian Tinnion are living in dream world expecting us to play the style we are but we can never afford the players to do this style. This month they'll be calling out the begging letters to renew our seasons tickets with the expectations of a top six finish next season. But I cannot put up with these lies and type of football. I just don't know what the answers are unless tinnion and jon go. 

On the positive side of things I met 2 lovely ladies who are Juventus supporters. I still have the old Magic! 

Every cloud eh!

I once met a girl from Yate, on a flight home from Torino who was a season ticket holder at Juve. 

Wonder if one and the same...

 

[NcnsBcfc]

1 hour ago, 38MC said:

Seems we are in the minority but I too think he’s walking the green mile. You never know how things play out in football, but I think 2 losses or even a loss and a draw would see him gone - unless they were strong performances. 
 

There are obvious reasons why you’d start questioning his position but the part for me that in my head says ‘he’s gone’ is the post match presser today and last week. He’s supposed to be an ‘on-the-grass’ coach. Well last week he trained the team perfectly and they were shite, and this week he claimed the team were coached to defend a corner of the type Cardiff scored from. 
 

so not only is he not living up to his front foot football, not only is he chucking players under the bus, he’s now admitting what he coaches can’t be put into practice by the squad - so you’re calling yourself out as a poor ‘on-the-grass’ coach then aren’t you? 

his last two post match and this weeks pre match he’s basically talked himself into the only conclusion that he’s just not very competent. 

Whilst I think that sort of ‘appraisal’ of his words would be beyond JL and BT’s leadership, I think SL will see it. 

Dean Holden went after 6 straight defeats and we were in 13th.

We play 3 of the top 5 on our next 4 games, the Swansea game is massive now for Manning.

2 wins in 13 and 9 points out of 33 have been masked by the 1 Cup win (when West Ham had their best 6 attacking players out Bowen, Paqqueta, Antonio, Kundas, Fornals and Alverez by the way).

Watching the interviews after the game did anybody actually feel "This is the man to get us going again and out of a potential relegation battle"? I'm sure I'm not the only one who witnessed a manager who didn't have any answers and was looking to "get back to basics yet again".

We all enjoyed the first half at Middlesborough (not the 2nd) and the Southampton game for sure, but the campaign is over 46 games, not 1 and a half and we have been poor since the Watford away game on Boxing day.

The club can't afford to go down to league 1, by next weekend we could be 3 points off 22nd if Stoke pick up a win.

Lose to Swansea and I think we'll be forced into action personally.

[Ben1980]

I’m a member rather than a season ticket holder so luckily am not tied in for the rest of the season. Didn’t go today as it played out as I thought it would. Barely missed a home game under Pearson- as others have said, I felt really connected with the club and the team. I really cared- a late equaliser/winner for the opposition would partially ruin my weekend. Used to look forward to Saturdays - used to even look forward to the press Conferences with NP.
 

After the Tinnion power grab and shambles since, I feel very little. Until things change (Tinnion goes) I can’t invest myself again- it’s pointless. Everything feels wrong and false. 
 

Gradual progress is hard earned but regression and undoing the progress is so easy and fast (as we are seeing). 
 

It is really hard to have your main passion in life dimmed/ taken away from you. From reading the forum, obviously lots of others feel the same. Been going to AG for 38 years and had just started taking my little boy who is 7. So gutting the way things have played out. 
 

 

Edited March 2 by Ben1980

[Monkeh]

11 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

 

He's not defending manning is he? 

Pearson was not a good manager and should have been let go at the end of the season not when he was.

What have you been smoking?

 

[T R]

2 minutes ago, spudski said:

Every cloud eh!

I once met a girl from Yate, on a flight home from Torino who was a season ticket holder at Juve. 

Wonder if one and the same...

 

Nahh they were too attractive spuds! 

[1960maaan]

14 minutes ago, spudski said:

He mentioned today post match how many crosses we had...as in it was a good thing. 

And that's his downfall ...he's trying to win games by scoring from crosses. 

Which stats will back, as the easiest to defend against, and the least effective way of scoring. 

 

 

How many crosses did we put in ? It's not a thing we do often, and from beating a defender to the byline and pulling the ball back , they are almost non existent now. Manning has just about ruined Conway, his movement and getting on the end of things just doesn't happen now. 

Strangely , most players did ok today, they just look like they have too many instructions going around their head , they 2nd guess themselves all the time. If we jus played players in the right positions , Sykes right side AMF , Knight CMF and let Tommy be Tommy, I think we would improve the team straight away. 

Manning strikes me as another Lee Johnson , knows a lot of theory but doesn't know how to get it out on the park . Confuses players with too much info and isn't sure who he should play. 
When was the last time anyone rotated players like he's doing to TC and Wells ? Bizarre . 

This is the lowest I felt since I can remember , even under Pulis , I hated the football but never considered not going . I am now.

[spudski]

2 minutes ago, T R said:

Nahh they were too attractive spuds! 

Gotta love Italian girls 

[BasSavage88]

4 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

What have you been smoking?

 

Opinions init... Be boring if we all thought the same thing

I thought Pearson was a poor manager coming in and still do.

Manning being shit doesn't mean Pearson was the saviour

Edited March 2 by BasSavage88

[Merrick's Marvels]

I love the way there's a  post in this thread which ends with the words "Catch 22" and the very next post is started by someone called Yozzarian.

If only our football was as joined up as this.

Edited March 2 by Merrick's Marvels

[Loco Rojo]

They lost me when they disrespectfully sacked Nige.

Liam = wrong man at the wrong time. Not his fault, but he should never have come to this mess of a club.

[spudski]

7 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

How many crosses did we put in ? It's not a thing we do often, and from beating a defender to the byline and pulling the ball back , they are almost non existent now. Manning has just about ruined Conway, his movement and getting on the end of things just doesn't happen now. 

Strangely , most players did ok today, they just look like they have too many instructions going around their head , they 2nd guess themselves all the time. If we jus played players in the right positions , Sykes right side AMF , Knight CMF and let Tommy be Tommy, I think we would improve the team straight away. 

Manning strikes me as another Lee Johnson , knows a lot of theory but doesn't know how to get it out on the park . Confuses players with too much info and isn't sure who he should play. 
When was the last time anyone rotated players like he's doing to TC and Wells ? Bizarre . 

This is the lowest I felt since I can remember , even under Pulis , I hated the football but never considered not going . I am now.

22 crosses. 

These are research stats...

Set play crosses (after free kicks or corners) represent about 8% of all goals and open play crosses represent about 15% of all goals. However, crossing from an open play is hugely inefficient, only 1 open cross in 4.87 is an accurate cross and only 1 open cross out of 91.47 leads to a goal on average.

[JP Hampton]

3 minutes ago, Ben1980 said:

I’m a member rather than a season ticket holder so luckily am not tied in for the rest of the season. Didn’t go today as it played out as I thought it would. Barely missed a home game under Pearson- as others have said, I felt really connected with the club and the team. I really cared- a late equaliser/winner for the opposition would partially ruin my weekend. Used to look forward to Saturdays - used to even look forward to the press Conferences with NP.
 

 

 

Yeah it was a strange thing with NP. Like you, we never missed games under NP. I think it was feeling confident. Not confident we’d win, but absolutely confident the person who was supposed to be in charge, was in charge. 

 A confidence in seeing players actually giving a sense of being a team and wanting to play, it was great to see. I think that’s what makes our situation now so disappointing, seeing players confidence drop and their desire to play, get less and less each game. 

[38MC]

7 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Dean Holden went after 6 straight defeats and we were in 13th.

We play 3 of the top 5 on our next 4 games, the Swansea game is massive now for Manning.

2 wins in 13 and 9 points out of 33 have been masked by the 1 Cup win (when West Ham had their best 6 attacking players out Bowen, Paqqueta, Antonio, Kundas, Fornals and Alverez by the way).

Watching the interviews after the game did anybody actually feel "This is the man to get us going again and out of a potential relegation battle"? I'm sure I'm not the only one who witnessed a manager who didn't have any answers and was looking to "get back to basics yet again".

We all enjoyed the first half at Middlesborough (not the 2nd) and the Southampton game for sure, but the campaign is over 46 games, not 1 and a half and we have been poor since the Watford away game on Boxing day.

The club can't afford to go down to league 1, by next weekend we could be 3 points off 22nd if Stoke pick up a win.

Lose to Swansea and I think we'll be forced into action personally.

That’s why I think he’s signed his own death warrant. It’s impossible to have faith in him now. Had he interviewed well you could see those at the top giving him time, but he’s absolutely crashed the car and written it off the past 2 post match and the pre match pressed. He seems a man out of depth, out of ideas and, frankly stressed to high heaven 

[T R]

5 minutes ago, spudski said:

Gotta love Italian girls 

I'll never forget my holiday in Greece. The most glorious Italian lady swimming every day whilst her fellow stayed in the apartment all day! The only trouble was I was married at the time! 

[1960maaan]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

Opinions init... Be boring if we all thought the same thing

I thought Pearson was a poor manager coming in and still do.

Manning being shit doesn't mean Pearson was the savior

We will never know where we would be if Nige stayed. Progress , although slow was there to be seen.  Rebuilt the scouting and medical side. Got the wage bill down to more sensible levels and got rid of the high earners while bringing in some good young (cheaper) Pros.
I think there were signs we were improving on the pitch and with some of the money from Scott, who knows. 

Manning being shit doesn't mean Pearson was the Saviour , but it might mean he wasn't as bad as Tins and little Jon would have us believe .

[1960maaan]

2 minutes ago, spudski said:

22 crosses. 

These are research stats...

Set play crosses (after free kicks or corners) represent about 8% of all goals and open play crosses represent about 15% of all goals. However, crossing from an open play is hugely inefficient, only 1 open cross in 4.87 is an accurate cross and only 1 open cross out of 91.47 leads to a goal on average.

When TC first burst on the scene, playing with Wells , we seemed to get to the by line and get a lot of balls across the area. Not just crossing with hope but real menace as any retreating defender was a potential scorer too . With Manning insisting on playing inverted Wingers, that is completely out of the question. 

I've said a few times tonight, Sykes is waisted in the left . He looks lost and a million miles from the goal threat he looks on the right. I'd rather see Roberts ahead of Pring on the left and Sykes on the right. At least theres a chance of getting behind the defence .

[spudski]

7 minutes ago, T R said:

I'll never forget my holiday in Greece. The most glorious Italian lady swimming every day whilst her fellow stayed in the apartment all day! The only trouble was I was married at the time! 

I've had a relationship with an Italian girl...fair to say, never a dull day. 

[joe jordans teeth]

2 hours ago, Cidre Monita said:

It wasn’t broke so didn’t need fixing. Nigel was sacked for non-footballing reasons. 

Telling the people in charge a few home truths never goes down well in any walk of life if they think they know best

[spudski]

3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

When TC first burst on the scene, playing with Wells , we seemed to get to the by line and get a lot of balls across the area. Not just crossing with hope but real menace as any retreating defender was a potential scorer too . With Manning insisting on playing inverted Wingers, that is completely out of the question. 

I've said a few times tonight, Sykes is waisted in the left . He looks lost and a million miles from the goal threat he looks on the right. I'd rather see Roberts ahead of Pring on the left and Sykes on the right. At least theres a chance of getting behind the defence .

Conway was imo always best in a 3. 

[1960maaan]

2 minutes ago, spudski said:

Conway was imo always best in a 3. 

I always liked him and Wells together, but one thing that Manning has proved, he's not great on his own with no service.

[spudski]

2 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I always liked him and Wells together, but one thing that Manning has proved, he's not great on his own with no service.

Exactly...but imo, that's not down to Conway. 

It's down to poor quality crosses, and the fact he's outnumbered by defenders and a GK and has very little space for error. 

[Davefevs]

45 minutes ago, spudski said:

He mentioned today post match how many crosses we had...as in it was a good thing. 

And that's his downfall ...he's trying to win games by scoring from crosses. 

Which stats will back, as the easiest to defend against, and the least effective way of scoring. 

 

 

I’ve got to say, when you start quoting stats as a manager without context / cause and effect, you’ve pretty much lost the argument.  And that’s from me, as someone who loves his numbers.  Even I don’t try to just bung out numbers without an explanation, if I’m trying to make a point.

That was a bad use of stats, by a bloke who should be able to better.

I’ve not really gone into any tactical debate today, it really isn’t worth it, but there were so many issues chasing the game against a team who having got their one goal lead, didn’t need to do much other than get back into a block.

I’m not gonna sit here and say I know better, because I don’t, by a million miles, but I can sit here tonight and think the bloke looks more and more out if his depth and unable to work out his to get results and performances.

[Steve Watts]

1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said:

It was slightly biarre Spud because what he actually said was that it was their (coaching staff) work with the players that got them (the players) into the final third and then it is for players to show bravery and ingenuity etc at that point

So taking credit for the ability (depending on your view whether that’s accurate) to play through the thirds but distancing himself from the ability to create chances and score goals 

His ethos does seem to be that the coaching staff win games but the players lose them.

What I thought was noticeable today was the number of players sniping at each other. It's abundantly clear that the dressing room harmony that it seemed we had is well and truly gone.

[Ben1980]

16 minutes ago, JP Hampton said:

Yeah it was a strange thing with NP. Like you, we never missed games under NP. I think it was feeling confident. Not confident we’d win, but absolutely confident the person who was supposed to be in charge, was in charge. 

 A confidence in seeing players actually giving a sense of being a team and wanting to play, it was great to see. I think that’s what makes our situation now so disappointing, seeing players confidence drop and their desire to play, get less and less each game. 

I think it was lots of things- seeing the improvement in players like Pring and Vyner along with the young ones like Scott and Conway being brought through. There was hope that we were going somewhere. Camaraderie amongst the players and their obviously connection with the staff. The opposite of what is happening now. 
 

Also the honesty from NP - the opposite of what we get from Lansdown and Tinnion. 
 

The players obviously feel the same as the fans. Disconnected from the club. 
 

 

[spudski]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I’ve got to say, when you start quoting stats as a manager without context / cause and effect, you’ve pretty much lost the argument.  And that’s from me, as someone who loves his numbers.  Even I don’t try to just bung out numbers without an explanation, if I’m trying to make a point.

That was a bad use of stats, by a bloke who should be able to better.

I’ve not really gone into any tactical debate today, it really isn’t worth it, but there were so many issues chasing the game against a team who having got their one goal lead, didn’t need to do much other than get back into a block.

I’m not gonna sit here and say I know better, because I don’t, by a million miles, but I can sit here tonight and think the bloke looks more and more out if his depth and unable to work out his to get results and performances.

He went into defence mode Dave...his mouth talks quicker than his brain. He just spouts stuff that is aimed to deflect. Never thought he'd fit with us...said from day one, as did others. I'd say there are more astute on here than JL and BT when seeing that. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

23 minutes ago, 38MC said:

That’s why I think he’s signed his own death warrant. It’s impossible to have faith in him now. Had he interviewed well you could see those at the top giving him time, but he’s absolutely crashed the car and written it off the past 2 post match and the pre match pressed. He seems a man out of depth, out of ideas and, frankly stressed to high heaven 

It's no surprise at all. It was all there to see in his interviews after defeats at MK. 

[Redderland]

one of the infuriating things about all this is the decent performances on TV have been bringing a load of new fans, I've been telling them which bus stop to get off at, not to call us Bristol etc etc lots of students too. Can't imagine many sticking this period out.

[JP Hampton]

5 minutes ago, Ben1980 said:

I think it was lots of things- seeing the improvement in players like Pring and Vyner along with the young ones like Scott and Conway being brought through. There was hope that we were going somewhere. Camaraderie amongst the players and their obviously connection with the staff. The opposite of what is happening now. 
 

Also the honesty from NP - the opposite of what we get from Lansdown and Tinnion. 
 

The players obviously feel the same as the fans. Disconnected from the club. 
 

 

Yeah who would have ever thought Vyner would improve like he did. 

[1960maaan]

11 minutes ago, spudski said:

Exactly...but imo, that's not down to Conway. 

It's down to poor quality crosses, and the fact he's outnumbered by defenders and a GK and has very little space for error. 

I started losing patience with Manning when it came out he stopped TC from doing what he was good at, movement . Getting him to stop dropping off or going wide takes away a lot of his game . It also means he's easier to mark if he's just going to stay in or around the box.
You would think as Manning likes a No.10 he would be happy to see that rotation . 

[spudski]

1 minute ago, 1960maaan said:

I started losing patience with Manning when it came out he stopped TC from doing what he was good at, movement . Getting him to stop dropping off or going wide takes away a lot of his game . It also means he's easier to mark if he's just going to stay in or around the box.
You would think as Manning likes a No.10 he would be happy to see that rotation . 

He's destroying Conway. No wonder he won't sign an extension. 

[Ben1980]

3 minutes ago, JP Hampton said:

Yeah who would have ever thought Vyner would improve like he did. 

Definitely not me! Unbelievable transformation. Problem is - he is rapidly regressing backwards. Not the only one as well unfortunately. 

[RedM]

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

Yep, I have been thinking that if we sack him we have the same idiots picking the next manager BUT the football is so shite it just cannot continue like this. I would literally give him the next two games to show something otherwise we just have to accept that a managerial fraud has duped everyone and bomb him out pronto with the Geordie Snake very close behind him. In fact Sid has got to go whatever happens.

I do totally accept what you are saying, however it's hardly Manning's fault for taking the role is it? From what I understand he was approached by us, he didn't apply for the post and therefore didn't have to 'dupe' anyone. If we were stupid enough to offer a 3 and a half year deal AND pay a decent compensation package for him (as well as the almost 6 figure sum to ditch Pearson), well of course he would take the deal. It was a hasty appointment with not enough groundwork done, but not Manning's doing.

[Ben1980]

4 minutes ago, spudski said:

He's destroying Conway. No wonder he won't sign an extension. 

Could cost the club £10 million. No doubt he was previously our most saleable asset. Someone will get a bargain due to our incompetence. 
 

Am sure none of us would sign either if we were him. Hope he goes on to great things- seems like a decent lad. 

[Sleepy1968]

26 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I always liked him and Wells together, but one thing that Manning has proved, he's not great on his own with no service.

I wish he'd stop proving it ...

[exAtyeoMax]

1 hour ago, Laner said:

Getting rid of Manning now will require JL to admit he got it wrong with the appointment. And sadly, I just can't see him doing that.

unless his dad forces him to. It's his money/

[Numero Uno]

Just now, RedM said:

I do totally accept what you are saying, however it's hardly Manning's fault for taking the role is it? From what I understand he was approached by us, he didn't apply for the post and therefore didn't have to 'dupe' anyone. If we were stupid enough to offer a 3 and a half year deal AND pay a decent compensation package for him (as well as the almost 6 figure sum to ditch Pearson), well of course he would take the deal. It was a hasty appointment with not enough groundwork done, but not Manning's doing.

No I accept that it’s not Mannings fault but he has demonstrated that he is way below the level the hierarchy thought he was at. Like I say two games to improve it or he’s gotta go and Sid has to go with him.

[Ben1980]

Just now, RedM said:

I do totally accept what you are saying, however it's hardly Manning's fault for taking the role is it? From what I understand he was approached by us, he didn't apply for the post and therefore didn't have to 'dupe' anyone. If we were stupid enough to offer a 3 and a half year deal AND pay a decent compensation package for him (as well as the almost 6 figure sum to ditch Pearson), well of course he would take the deal. It was a hasty appointment with not enough groundwork done, but not Manning's doing.

Yeah I don’t blame Manning either although, like others, his inability to take responsibility is starting to p*ss me off a lot. 
 

I blame Tinnion and also the ECB for taking Gould! The turning point. 

[1960maaan]

1 minute ago, Ben1980 said:

Could cost the club £10 million. No doubt he was previously our most saleable asset. Someone will get a bargain due to our incompetence. 
 

Am sure none of us would sign either if we were him. Hope he goes on to great things- seems like a decent lad. 

Plus that quick , mobile , big centre forward that we are looking to sign in the summer ?
That will take anything we get from TC , and more, as his value has dropped massively under Manning.
Just to get someone as good will be expensive and difficult , to improve on what we have will cost a fortune
 

[spudski]

9 minutes ago, Ben1980 said:

Could cost the club £10 million. No doubt he was previously our most saleable asset. Someone will get a bargain due to our incompetence. 
 

Am sure none of us would sign either if we were him. Hope he goes on to great things- seems like a decent lad. 

I agree. 

[formerly known as ivan]

Said soon after his appointment the anger was about Manning being appointed, it was about the lack of appreciation and respect the board showed to Pearson. Most fans could see what he had done and what he was doing. Unfortunately the board didn’t. However, as the weeks go on it’s clear Manning is out of his depth and doing himself no favours in his interviews. Sympathy fast running out.

I’d be interested in hearing from someone who was happy to see Pearson go and Manning appointed, who has since had second thoughts, especially what caused the rethink.

[Malvern Red]

1 hour ago, One Team said:

Post of the year in March! Absolutely nailed it mate. I hope Lansdown reads it. You had it all mate, then you ****** it and lost us forever. 

 

[38MC]

40 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

It's no surprise at all. It was all there to see in his interviews after defeats at MK. 

Agree, didn’t see any need to change from Pearson and when I saw him I thought another young gun to be chewed up and spat out by this incompetent regime. It’s unfortunate as Manning probably could and should have stayed at Oxford and done his due diligence on us as a club and said ‘nah, I’ll go the same way as McInnes’.  
 

The Lansdown’s romanticise about being an easy on the eye, good footballing side with a media friendly young manager, and being everyone’s favourite second team - we basically want to be Barnsley under Danny Wilson… but it ain’t going to happen with the interference from them. They don’t realise that they are the reason their ideals won’t work, because they won’t let them get on with it, they won’t back the right horse at the right time, and they dangerously think they understand the football business when in 20 years they have demonstrated they are so bloody wet behind the ears that they are better off writing cheques from afar. Then and only then they might actually achieve what they want. 

But whilst they take a side step and let Keith Burt for example take the reins it all goes well, but they want to jump right back in once we are in the championship. Their ego is the problem. 

Pay the money Steve, get someone in who can properly act as CEO, stay in the background. Then you have a chance of promotion to the PL in your lifetime and a good shot at exit. Whilst you have your son running things with charlatans like Mark Ashton who’ll piss your money away, or Brian Tinnion, you’ve got no chance. 

[Ivorguy]

Please just sell up, Mr Lansdown

The majority of us, I imagine, can’t take your custodianship of City any longer

 

 

 

 

[Coombsy]

I blame the players 

poor effort and not playing for the badge again 

they need to take a good look at themselves 

 

[Sheltons Army]

1 minute ago, Coombsy said:

I blame the players 

poor effort and not playing for the badge again 

they need to take a good look at themselves 

 

There was always a widespread belief in the game , coming from those involved that players , largely ‘played for the manager’

Its not quite as simple as that but

 

 

Just saying

 

 

[spudski]

24 minutes ago, mason said:

In words what I`VE TRIED to say for years now, great post

Glad your voice is heard via a third party so to speak.

[Superjack]

3 hours ago, robinforlife2 said:

I have a feeling that Manning and Tinnion will leave the club this week. JL won't want to take responsibility, so he'll lay this all at Tinnion's door, and say he has to act. The only way we can sack Manning, is if Tinnion is sacked as well. I think Lansdown ill take action by Monday morning. 

Not a chance, but I'm ****ing praying for it. 

Two from four. That would solve half the problem.

 

[W-S-M Seagull]

55 minutes ago, spudski said:

He went into defence mode Dave...his mouth talks quicker than his brain. He just spouts stuff that is aimed to deflect. Never thought he'd fit with us...said from day one, as did others. I'd say there are more astute on here than JL and BT when seeing that. 

Liam Manning only cares about Liam Manning. He was happy for a 0-0 draw because that means losing to 3 poor teams wouldn't be on his record. 

All throughout his career there have been clear signs that he will jump ship at the earliest opportunity to progress. When he was bombed out of MK he made up loads of excuses of not being able to sign his own players which was complete lies as he said players he previously had connections to. 

He's shown here that he is willing to rush back injured players and play unfit players because he needs them to play, not for the good of Bristol City but for Liam Manning. 

I'm incredibly annoyed by the fact that we could see he was the wrong fit for us but people who are supposed to be more experienced than us, couldn't see that.

I'm incredibly annoyed that this season has been written off because of a failed experiment that we all knew was doomed to fail.  

 

[Bat Fastard]

In my nearly 6 decades of supporting City we have seen worse! Much worse!  Do you all remember the dreaded Pulis?

City have not lost this particular fan, but I am cheesed off with the way we are playing and that we sacked Nige, who was a leader and strong character and a real manager, and replaced him with a wimpy coach who might be better suited to working under a manager. When Manning first joined I commented on his lack of confidence and force or personality and this seems to have been a correct analysis.  A good manager would use the playing assets that he has to get the best results and change the staff over time if he wanted different qualities.

I believe that we have some very good players and the fact that they are currently below par is due to lack of leadership and motivation. With the difficult run of fixtures in the next few weeks, we may well find ourselves flirting with relegation and the Lansdowns may be forced to make a change again.  First rule of management is to not reinforce a failure - but when have they taken any notice of the rules of management?

[Berts city]

Season ticket holder for the last 20 years don’t often comment on here but an avid observer, that today was absolutely crap and unacceptable, I was so bored, so easy to play against must take 2 mins for the opposition to work us out. 

[spudski]

1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Liam Manning only cares about Liam Manning. He was happy for a 0-0 draw because that means losing to 3 poor teams wouldn't be on his record. 

All throughout his career there have been clear signs that he will jump ship at the earliest opportunity to progress. When he was bombed out of MK he made up loads of excuses of not being able to sign his own players which was complete lies as he said players he previously had connections to. 

He's shown here that he is willing to rush back injured players and play unfit players because he needs them to play, not for the good of Bristol City but for Liam Manning. 

I'm incredibly annoyed by the fact that we could see he was the wrong fit for us but people who are supposed to be more experienced than us, couldn't see that.

I'm incredibly annoyed that this season has been written off because of a failed experiment that we all knew was doomed to fail.  

 

You've got him looking after number one...BT looking after number one, but now between a rock and a hard place, and Crayola with a 1000 yard stare. We're foooked. 

[exAtyeoMax]

6 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

He's shown here that he is willing to rush back injured players and play unfit players because he needs them to play, not for the good of Bristol City but for Liam Manning. 

That really worried me, especially if he permanently damaged Cam! 

[Ivorguy]

2 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

In my nearly 6 decades of supporting City we have seen worse! Much worse!  Do you all remember the dreaded Pulis?

City have not lost this particular fan, but I am cheesed off with the way we are playing and that we sacked Nige, who was a leader and strong character and a real manager, and replaced him with a wimpy coach who might be better suited to working under a manager. When Manning first joined I commented on his lack of confidence and force or personality and this seems to have been a correct analysis.  A good manager would use the playing assets that he has to get the best results and change the staff over time if he wanted different qualities.

I believe that we have some very good players and the fact that they are currently below par is due to lack of leadership and motivation. With the difficult run of fixtures in the next few weeks, we may well find ourselves flirting with relegation and the Lansdowns may be forced to make a change again.  First rule of management is to not reinforce a failure - but when have they taken any notice of the rules of management?

The whole inservice training requirement in any modern business, whatever that might be, is simply lacking at Ashton Gate.

I have said for a longtime that we need to move on from 19th century management ideas.

For a brief moment with Nige and Gould, I thought the Lansdowns by sheer chance had finally got the professional approach the club had lacked for decades under SL

More fool me
 

[Pippintogg]

Up and down the country there are kids and adults wearing Liverpool, Man City, Utd etc shirts who follow PL teams despite not coming from these cities, or probably attending any games. They are followers of success,  not suupporters. My 11-year-old son doesn't. He's born in Bristol, only has City or England shirts, and a season ticket. He's a one club kid...and bored. My boy is a fantastic footballer, a striker, who understands the game, watches European football on YouTube and knows what is entertaining and successful football. How long can the current board etc expect him to watch this s**t and keep him motivated to follow his club. He's got many friends who don't want to come either. This is the future of our club, and sadly the current board are only interested in ££. Sorry SL/JL you are destroying your own future with s**t decisions. FFS sort it out  or move on.

[Wrongagain]

The starting 11 showed the cracks in the coaching, if that’s the best manning can do with the players available then we are going nowhere - mediocre players that ran their socks off under NP seem to be disappointed to have been selected - it’s hard to imagine they did any better in training.

Very few of the fans have coaching badges but we can all see the crap attitude on the pitch, strange how the players that used to play well as a team are not selected together

[Superjack]

3 hours ago, handsofclay said:

This is spot on. The majority of us felt like we were all in it together. We had a manager who treated us with respect and was honest in his assessments and made us feel a part of the processes in moving the club gradually forward. We all knew the constraints he was under and accepted setbacks as part of the journey and felt proud that so many academy lads were progressing to our first team. Indeed BT himself used that as a USP in signing promising young players to our club.

But those in power evidently didn't like the fact the supporters felt a greater affinity to the club. It was, after all, their club. Not the popular manager's. So they found the appropriate moment to fire him and show us that they know better by bringing in a bright new spark who'd fire us, via the front foot, to a higher level. Instead, they have again shown themselves to be a bunch of incompetents. Manning is clearly out of his depth and is destroying all the positivity diligently created since Holden's departure. 

[Ivorguy]

3 minutes ago, Pippintogg said:

Up and down the country there are kids and adults wearing Liverpool, Man City, Utd etc shirts who follow PL teams despite not coming from these cities, or probably attending any games. They are followers of success,  not suupporters. My 11-year-old son doesn't. He's born in Bristol, only has City or England shirts, and a season ticket. He's a one club kid...and bored. My boy is a fantastic footballer, a striker, who understands the game, watches European football on YouTube and knows what is entertaining and successful football. How long can the current board etc expect him to watch this s**t and keep him motivated to follow his club. He's got many friends who don't want to come either. This is the future of our club, and sadly the current board are only interested in ££. Sorry SL/JL you are destroying your own future with s**t decisions. FFS sort it out  or move on.

Same for my six year old grandson living in coastal West Sussex.  After his first and only match, that against QPR, his comment was that City were idiots.  At six he can be forgiven for blaming the players.  At his age Manning should accept that he is the idiot.  

[Sheltons Army]

3 hours ago, handsofclay said:

This is spot on. The majority of us felt like we were all in it together. We had a manager who treated us with respect and was honest in his assessments and made us feel a part of the processes in moving the club gradually forward. We all knew the constraints he was under and accepted setbacks as part of the journey and felt proud that so many academy lads were progressing to our first team. Indeed BT himself used that as a USP in signing promising young players to our club.

But those in power evidently didn't like the fact the supporters felt a greater affinity to the club. It was, after all, their club. Not the popular manager's. So they found the appropriate moment to fire him and show us that they know better by bringing in a bright new spark who'd fire us, via the front foot, to a higher level. Instead, they have again shown themselves to be a bunch of incompetents. Manning is clearly out of his depth and is destroying all the positivity diligently created since Holden's departure. 

Missed this post in the flurry of threads and posts today

What a brilliant post

The whole debacle brilliantly summarised and nailed in two paragraphs

[Shauntaylor85]

Tinnion said a couple of weeks ago crowds are on the up. Absolute rubbish, crowds will be below 17K in league one. 

[Dr Balls]

4 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Tinnion said a couple of weeks ago crowds are on the up. Absolute rubbish, crowds will be below 17K in league one. 

Not for next year they won’t be. Not seen that level of anger at the end of today’s match for a long time at AG, even when we have got rid of previous  managers. It’s not just that we are losing at home regularly, it’s the way we are losing. The football is boring, turgid bilge. Less front foot football as shot ourselves in the foot football!

[fisherrich]

3 hours ago, handsofclay said:

This is spot on. The majority of us felt like we were all in it together. We had a manager who treated us with respect and was honest in his assessments and made us feel a part of the processes in moving the club gradually forward. We all knew the constraints he was under and accepted setbacks as part of the journey and felt proud that so many academy lads were progressing to our first team. Indeed BT himself used that as a USP in signing promising young players to our club.

But those in power evidently didn't like the fact the supporters felt a greater affinity to the club. It was, after all, their club. Not the popular manager's. So they found the appropriate moment to fire him and show us that they know better by bringing in a bright new spark who'd fire us, via the front foot, to a higher level. Instead, they have again shown themselves to be a bunch of incompetents. Manning is clearly out of his depth and is destroying all the positivity diligently created since Holden's departure. 

Precisely. The Landowns will f”ck off soon (I hope), but this football club will continue.
They have put us back 10 years probably. But there is a future after the Lansdowns go.
Just so depressing to see the club going backwards so fast.
Get out Lansdowns!!!

[fisherrich]

18 minutes ago, Wrongagain said:

The starting 11 showed the cracks in the coaching, if that’s the best manning can do with the players available then we are going nowhere - mediocre players that ran their socks off under NP seem to be disappointed to have been selected - it’s hard to imagine they did any better in training.

Very few of the fans have coaching badges but we can all see the crap attitude on the pitch, strange how the players that used to play well as a team are not selected together

Agreed, Manning has lost the players. Obvious to most.

[Shuffle]

22 minutes ago, Wrongagain said:

The starting 11 showed the cracks in the coaching, if that’s the best manning can do with the players available then we are going nowhere - mediocre players that ran their socks off under NP seem to be disappointed to have been selected - it’s hard to imagine they did any better in training.

Very few of the fans have coaching badges but we can all see the crap attitude on the pitch, strange how the players that used to play well as a team are not selected together

The worrying thing is he’s had two free weeks to get on the grass and managed to make them worse. That’s some coaching!

[cheddarwedlocker]

Im not a ‘Nigel in’ fella, but why get rid of him then.

[Bcfc willzyak]

I’ve followed this forum for a fair few years but didn’t really want to come on here to slate my club but we literally have gone backwards, a manager out of his depth, a manager who really hasn’t got a plan let alone a back up plan.

really worrying to be a city fan right now that’s for sure 

[Redrascal2]

5 hours ago, robinforlife2 said:

I have a feeling that Manning and Tinnion will leave the club this week. JL won't want to take responsibility, so he'll lay this all at Tinnion's door, and say he has to act. The only way we can sack Manning, is if Tinnion is sacked as well. I think Lansdown ill take action by Monday morning. 

That would mean Steve Lansdown admitting he was wrong. And we all know his arrogance is such that he will do anything to avoid that. Even to the detriment of the club and supporters. The bloke doesn't give a shit about the club or it's supporters. So it will not happen. Didn't he once say judge me on Tinnion. Well you were  wrong the first time and are still wrong now.

[Dr Balls]

There is a common theme going on in the Championship with the vogue being for young head coaches being brought in to achieve success, based on what Rob Edwards did with Luton and McKenna had been achieving with Ipswich. The difference is as that both of those had actually achieved promotions at a lower level, unlike most of the other young coaches brought in who have achieved nothing tangible in most cases, just maybe a run of good results. It’s bombed at Birmingham with Rooney. It’s bombed at Sunderland with Beale. And it’s bombing with Manning here. Yet some owners seem to think it’s some guarantee of success to go for the next “bright young coach” rather than stick with an experienced manager who was doing ok in the circumstances.

[Andy082005]

5 hours ago, robinforlife2 said:

I have a feeling that Manning and Tinnion will leave the club this week. JL won't want to take responsibility, so he'll lay this all at Tinnion's door, and say he has to act. The only way we can sack Manning, is if Tinnion is sacked as well. I think Lansdown I’ll take action by Monday morning. 

Tinnion won’t leave anything. He can’t afford to 

He will have to be sacked 

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, Dr Balls said:

There is a common theme going on in the Championship with the vogue being for young head coaches being brought in to achieve success, based on what Rob Edwards did with Luton and McKenna had been achieving with Ipswich. The difference is as that both of those had actually achieved promotions at a lower level, unlike most of the other young coaches brought in who have achieved nothing tangible in most cases, just maybe a run of good results. It’s bombed at Birmingham with Rooney. It’s bombed at Sunderland with Beale. And it’s bombing with Manning here. Yet some owners seem to think it’s some guarantee of success to go for the next “bright young coach” rather than stick with an experienced manager who was doing ok in the circumstances.

I'd say Beale wasn't exactly bombed, more mediocre.

A bit like Manning and his points return here to date albeit it is shifting from mediocre to something more alarming.