Season Ticket Renewal!

[Red Exile]

1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said:

How much would it cost to go to four hours of live music a month at the equivalent professional level? Four hours of theatre? Four hours of another sport?

It’s a good question and one I ask myself. Best seat in the house at the Royal Shakespeare Company in Stratford costs me £65. Not to every taste I appreciate but for me a couple of hours guaranteed world class entertainment. An afternoon at the Gate in recent years by contrast? A mix of bored to tears and driven up the wall in frustration! Not a lot of entertainment on offer. Fortunately for the club many people’s reasons for buying a ST aren’t rooted in expecting to be entertained by what’s happening on the pitch!

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 hours ago, JAWS said:

I think it's a combination of both Pops. 

In terms of ambition I'd say as much as Lansclown can afford (which is a lot) & staying within ffp rules. 

That's what any ambitious owner would surely be doing if they wanted promotion as they keep saying. Optimise your chances.

Of course you need competent people to spend the money & manage the footballing side & that's obviously another problem.

So yes arrogance & incompetence probably in equal measure or thereabouts 

Agreed.

Totally agree on your 2nd post as well, Gould and NP and Tinnion in his correct role I'd add, we were on to a winning combination there.

Who knows if Alexander could have flourished, better than we have now for sure but a real shame Gould got poached by the ECB.

Edited March 14 by Mr Popodopolous

[lenred]

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I go to the gym. 50 quid a month so less than my season tickets cost me.

I can go and have use of the gym whenever I want. Use of the swimming pool, use of the sauna and steam room and hydro pool. 

And yet 4 hours of Championship football a month costs more plus it comes with associated travel costs etc. 

And here's them wanting to shift us to more expensive areas

It's the ultimate piss take. Charge is more to watch the shit show that they have created. 

I'll wait til were back in League One, because thats the way we are heading. They'll be desperate to let me and others have a SS season ticket then. 

They have totally read the room wrong on this. 

 

Completely agree.   Surely the answer was to let existing STs in other areas move to the SS and then once that has happened then no more sales after that (not that I agree with that either btw!)

People have been moaning big time about POTD not being available in the SS so I guess this is the upshot of that. Looking forward to a packed SS next season! 

[steviestevieneville]

16 hours ago, eardun said:

Unless we get promoted of course - we can but dream! 

Well. If the current set up cares on , I think we’ll be in a different league 

[Ben1980]

12 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Is it clear disrespect or are they well, well out of touch? Isn't good either way of course..

Lack of ambition, a fair point but a fair question would be how much do you want spending, how exactly do we quantify the correct level of ambition in 2024-25?

I think disrespect and arrogance personally. They will know from this forum that the majority of fans don’t want Tinnion in his current role. They can’t be that out of touch. No need for Tinnion to be shown on the marketing- reckon Man City or Arsenal have Begiristain or Edu on theirs!? So bizarre and inflammatory. It’s a clear message - they don’t care what we think. 

Edited March 14 by Ben1980

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, phantom said:

Is there anyone left?

A few going through consideration!!!

[Bristol Oil Services]

Just read that tickets to see Liam GallaghernotManning and John Squires scraping the barrell are £65 so a season ticket of £400 not so bad (gets one out of the house once a fortnight) ...

[Lack of Action Man]

Just seen LJ in the Mall at Cribbs. Should I be bracing myself for his imminent return?

(Whether it’s LM or LJ, it Wouldn’t motivate me to renew my ST).

[Meh]

3 hours ago, Bob Taylor is GOD said:

I have just completed enough years (42) of National Insurance contributions to get a full state pension when/if  I reach 67.

If I continue to work, I will still pay National Insurance but it won't get me any more in my pension.

Not got a salary sacrifice pension scheme then? I won’t be paying national insurance again come next July - 55th birthday

[BrizzleRed]

6 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Yep. I’m 40 now and feel fortunate that my wife and I were just about able to afford our first house back in 2007 - based on a joint income - and have just about managed to climb the ladder since. But it’s even worse now and just impossible for many young people today.

At the first look at those figures, it does look like those houses on the ‘90s where cheap, but that’s only half the picture isn’t it?  Interest rates have been low for a long time now, but even in the ‘90s were still pretty high.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that £50,000 house would have really cost nearer £150,000 when you factor in the high interest rate repaid on the mortgage.  Probably not much different to now in real terms.

I certainly sympathise with the young ones now, but in truth, we’ve already been there ourselves.  House buying has always been really painful and the biggest financial committment most of us will ever have in their lives.  I think it’s safe to say it’s really tough for anyone to do, regardless of when it was tbh.

[ChippenhamRed]

15 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

At the first look at those figures, it does look like those houses on the ‘90s where cheap, but that’s only half the picture isn’t it?  Interest rates have been low for a long time now, but even in the ‘90s were still pretty high.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that £50,000 house would have really cost nearer £150,000 when you factor in the high interest rate repaid on the mortgage.  Probably not much different to now in real terms.

I certainly sympathise with the young ones now, but in truth, we’ve already been there ourselves.  House buying has always been really painful and the biggest financial committment most of us will ever have in their lives.  I think it’s safe to say it’s really tough for anyone to do, regardless of when it was tbh.

“Probably not much different to now in real terms”. Good grief!

Quite incredible that you’re still trying to defend the idea that houses aren’t much more expensive now than they used to be.

Its already been explained to you that higher interest rates on a much lower value house are no more painful than today’s more modest rates on a much higher value house.

Using your example, anyone buying that £50k house today will have to pay closer to £200k for it. They will also have to pay a lot more than that after interest. And salaries haven’t kept up - nowhere near.

The cost of housing today is a million miles away from the 70s, 80s and 90s.

https://landregistry.data.gov.uk/app/ukhpi/compare?print=true&from=1999-12-31&to=2019-04-16&location[]=W92000004&location[]=E92000001&st=all&in=avg

Edited March 14 by ChippenhamRed

[Guest]

If I renew and then want to change my seat I can’t move into the SS unless I’m already sat there? Why not?

As a poor pensioner I need to seek out the best (cheapest) deals available across all facets of my expenditure, as do many low income families.

I can understand the club not wanting any more non adult tickets sold in the SS, and applaud the cheaper tickets and additional seats being made available for families in the Lansdown, but to deny existing ST holders from moving to the SS seems petty in the extreme.

I can only see large amounts of empty seats continuing to be the norm in the SS, unless the team suddenly become successful or for games against the more attractive opponents.

What the club should do is a) Ensure people at least sit in the correct stand, I have never been asked for my ST by a steward, so could easily sit in any available seat, and b) Determine which STs aren’t being used at all, revoke them, and make them available for purchase.

All of this is the culmination of the club trying to attract more families to the stadium, and that is to be applauded, but at what cost to other fan groups? Perhaps they should stop people taking their own food and drink into the stadium as well, that would boost income.

[marmite]

When the SS is practically empty we wont have fans behind either goal. Brilliant plan. Can we give the opposition a one goal start just to ensure they have an advantage.

[Monkeh]

5 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Further up I proposed a loyalty discount increasing each year. That would be one measure.

The fairest way would probably be a discount for those on government benefits, but I’m not sure if that could realistically be implemented. It’s the only real way to identify those who need the help, although some might argue it’s not a reasonable threshold.

Good suggestions and worth exploring,

There's always arguments for and against, but at least you've got a suggestion,

Thanks and I am being sincere not sarcastic

[eardun]

6 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

The more you think about the SS not selling any more season tickets the more nuts it seems. You could have a group of mates all with STs and then another couple of their friends decide they like the atmosphere in there so want to come along - and we’re putting a stop to that? I get an overall cap on STs, I get (although may not agree) with the kids price increase but actively reducing the number of season tickets in the SS seems counter productive on so many levels.

Sounds like they have been listening to the people on here who have been complaining about the empty seats in the SS and who recommended that City:

- increase the price of the SS season ticket to discourage the non-users (tick - biggest price rise in SS).

- increase the child’s price to discourage the non-users or at least encourage them to move to the family stand (tick).

- make POTD more available in SS (tick - the above measures plus no new SS season tickets).

I also wonder whether the request from some fans to expand the standing section across more of the SS may also be having a bearing, i.e. if season tickets in the SS reduce, there are less people to move. 
 
So it feels to me that all of this is a product of the club listening to fan views. Of course, there are downsides to that (some people adversely impacted) and it is yet to be seen whether this will work to fill seats - I’m not sure it will given the new TV deal. 

 

[BasSavage88]

2 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

“Probably not much different to now in real terms”. Good grief!

Quite incredible that you’re still trying to defend the idea that houses aren’t much more expensive now than they used to be.

Its already been explained to you that higher interest rates on a much lower value house are no more painful than today’s more modest rates on a much higher value house.

Using your example, anyone buying that £50k house today will have to pay closer to £200k for it. They will also have to pay a lot more than that after interest. And salaries haven’t kept up - nowhere near.

The cost of housing today is a million miles away from the 70s, 80s and 90s.

https://landregistry.data.gov.uk/app/ukhpi/compare?print=true&from=1999-12-31&to=2019-04-16&location[]=W92000004&location[]=E92000001&st=all&in=avg

Boomers will never understand

Edited March 14 by BasSavage88

[Natchfever]

4 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Boomers will never understand

Im a boomer and I understand perfectly

[BasSavage88]

14 minutes ago, Natchfever said:

Im a boomer and I understand perfectly

Thats something a boomer would say 

 

[Marv Smyth]

Defo gonna renew - not happy about the current set up, boring football, or direction the club is going in, but I talked it through with my kid (he is not happy with those things either) - but it is quality time me and him have before, sometimes during, and after the game - which neither of us want to lose. 

[frenchred]

45 minutes ago, Marv Smyth said:

Defo gonna renew - not happy about the current set up, boring football, or direction the club is going in, but I talked it through with my kid (he is not happy with those things either) - but it is quality time me and him have before, sometimes during, and after the game - which neither of us want to lose. 

Just have quality time with him and skip the football. That's just trying to justify getting one 

[Marv Smyth]

8 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Just have quality time with him and skip the football. That's just trying to justify getting one 

Yeah mate - we discussed that too - and came to the conclusion that we are both just suckers for punishment 

[Sleepy1968]

4 hours ago, OddBallJim said:

Just seen LJ in the Mall at Cribbs. Should I be bracing myself for his imminent return?

(Whether it’s LM or LJ, it Wouldn’t motivate me to renew my ST).

What food outlet was he bussing tables at?

[Silvio Dante]

4 hours ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

Just read that tickets to see Liam GallaghernotManning and John Squires scraping the barrell are £65 so a season ticket of £400 not so bad (gets one out of the house once a fortnight) ...

Liam Gallagher and John Squire you say…?

 

[Topper 123]

6 hours ago, Ben1980 said:

I think disrespect and arrogance personally. They will know from this forum that the majority of fans don’t want Tinnion in his current role. They can’t be that out of touch. No need for Tinnion to be shown on the marketing- reckon Man City or Arsenal have Begiristain or Edu on theirs!? So bizarre and inflammatory. It’s a clear message - they don’t care what we think. 

What the **** has tinnion ever done bar get the sack ok scored a goal in fa cup at Liverpool, how far back was that and before you answer NOT INTERESTED the guy has zero nous about football management and should be no where near first team 

[Dullmoan Tone]

8 hours ago, Bob Taylor is GOD said:

I have just completed enough years (42) of National Insurance contributions to get a full state pension when/if  I reach 67.

If I continue to work, I will still pay National Insurance but it won't get me any more in my pension.

My point is it’s really unlikely you will still be paying NI for 50 years.

You are of course right that you pay it even after 35 years (the threshold for a full pension at 67) but the majority of people simply don’t pay it for 50 years.

I’m sure people are now much more interested in season ticket pricing than whether they pay NI for 50 years!

[Red Army 79]

I was seriously looking to get my first season ticket this season. I Finally got permission from the wife.

I work one in four weekends, every Wednesday night and every other Friday night also have a family commitments holidays etc so won’t be able to make every game.

Before the info came out I was hoping to get a season ticket in the South Stand as the price was affordable to me so I’m disappointed this is not going to be possible.

The cheapest season ticket for me now would be £485. Currently based on this seasons member prices for gold matches if I’ve done my maths right I would need to attend about 16 out of the 23 games to get my money back from the season ticket.

Think I’m going to stay as a member this season and see how many games I can attend and look again at a season ticket the following season. 

 

[Stockwood gate]

I have worked loads this year and was going to treat me and my wife season tickets in the Lansdown for a season and then move back to the south stand season as can only afford 1 season in Lansdown, looks like I will stay where we are 

[wendyredredrobin]

For those who are not renewing but still have a bit of love for City and want to watch games, can I suggest a subscription to a VPN and RobinsTV.  A lot cheaper than a season ticket and great value if more than one of you are watching.  You get to watch the away games too.  The only downside is that you have to listen to Downsy

[Street red]

23 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

I gave my season ticket up last year after 13 on the bounce and I can say for a fact that it's been a weight off my shoulders.

I drink less, my heads in a better place, I'm genuinely happier and it's so easy to watch City from home it's almost pointless going to the ground anymore.

Yes I miss the limbs, the banter, but actually I haven't rated the atmosphere at the club for a long time and actually a lot of it is just East End nostalgia that no longer exists. 

It's hard to let go, I understand, and a lot of people renew out of habit but my advice is vote with your feet guys, demand better. 

Exactly what I'm doing.

[WolfOfWestStreet]

 

4 minutes ago, Street red said:

Exactly what I'm doing.

Good for you. Make sure you do it, a lot of people feign distain, but slap another 500 quid into Lamsdowns pocket when push comes to shove. 

The only thing these people care about is money, cut the cord.

[Street red]

1 minute ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

 

Good for you. Make sure you do it, a lot of people feign distain, but slap another 500 quid into Lamsdowns pocket when push comes to shove. 

The only thing these people care about is money, cut the cord.

Yep also done it with sky sports comes to a point enough is enough. Hurts not renewing but as you say they couldn't care less it's just money and city means more than that.

[StGeorge]

7 hours ago, Meh said:

If I continue to work, I will still pay National Insurance but it won't get me any more in my pension.

Paying NI stops when you reach pensionable age.

[formerly known as ivan]

On 13/03/2024 at 22:59, WolfOfWestStreet said:

I gave my season ticket up last year after 13 on the bounce and I can say for a fact that it's been a weight off my shoulders.

I drink less, my heads in a better place, I'm genuinely happier and it's so easy to watch City from home it's almost pointless going to the ground anymore.

Yes I miss the limbs, the banter, but actually I haven't rated the atmosphere at the club for a long time and actually a lot of it is just East End nostalgia that no longer exists. 

It's hard to let go, I understand, and a lot of people renew out of habit but my advice is vote with your feet guys, demand better. 

I went 6 years without a season ticket after my daughter was born. This season was my first one back. Been regretting since around November time and looking forward to not having one again next season.

The amount of games I’ve gone to this season cus I feel I have to rather than want to, purely because it’s already paid for, is unreal.

Would rather be £45 better off each month and spend it on the family, especially having the new born now.

[Sir Geoff]

Two more here that won't be renewing. The football is so boring under Manning and there is no chance of that changing, it would appear. Relegation scrap incoming, next season.

Will probably buy a half season ticket in November when he's sacked.

 

[redsquirrel]

39 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Two more here that won't be renewing. The football is so boring under Manning and there is no chance of that changing, it would appear. Relegation scrap incoming, next season.

Will probably buy a half season ticket in November when he's sacked.

 

spend it while youve got it mate, tinnion wont get anyone in thats any different. he thinks manning is a fantastic coach so he will only get another one like him, keep an eye on the league one top  two then take your pick. my guess is thats what he did this time

[RedM]

21 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Further up I proposed a loyalty discount increasing each year. That would be one measure.

The fairest way would probably be a discount for those on government benefits, but I’m not sure if that could realistically be implemented. It’s the only real way to identify those who need the help, although some might argue it’s not a reasonable threshold.

Why should people on benefits get discounted tickets? Isn't football a hobby? No matter how you sugar coat this it's not a necessity.

Benefits from my understanding should only cover basic needs, food, warmth, transport. Not fags, booze, drugs, betting and Sky TV, and now football???!!! If people on benefits want those things they work for them or save up like everyone else!

[steviestevieneville]

1 hour ago, redsquirrel said:

spend it while youve got it mate, tinnion wont get anyone in thats any different. he thinks manning is a fantastic coach so he will only get another one like him, keep an eye on the league one top  two then take your pick. my guess is thats what he did this time

Exactly why I’m not renewing . The Lansdowns have pissed me off for a number years. Tinnion & manning are the final straw. It’s the way the club is being run for me . I’d never not renew just off the back of the manager. My next season ticket if I can afford one will be when we have new owners 

[exAtyeoMax]

17 hours ago, BrizzleRed said:

At the first look at those figures, it does look like those houses on the ‘90s where cheap, but that’s only half the picture isn’t it?  Interest rates have been low for a long time now, but even in the ‘90s were still pretty high.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that £50,000 house would have really cost nearer £150,000 when you factor in the high interest rate repaid on the mortgage.  Probably not much different to now in real terms.

I certainly sympathise with the young ones now, but in truth, we’ve already been there ourselves.  House buying has always been really painful and the biggest financial committment most of us will ever have in their lives.  I think it’s safe to say it’s really tough for anyone to do, regardless of when it was tbh.

I don’t really know how you work that out? Because interest rates wouldn’t have been high for all of the 25 years?

I bought my first flat in 92 for 44k, on a 14k wage. Granted interest rates were high, my payments were around £400 - £500 per month. Utilities were around £80 in total.

my niece has just bought a flat for £460k on two quite high salaries and their payments are around £1000 each for mortgage, and obviously £100s for utilities. How the hell are lower waged people, those with kids etc going to afford to buy anything these days?

I was looking into renting a flat last year, the estate agents wouldn’t consider anyone earning less than £35k a year! I’ve never earned that much in my life!

 

[38MC]

14 minutes ago, RedM said:

Why should people on benefits get discounted tickets? Isn't football a hobby? No matter how you sugar coat this it's not a necessity.

Benefits from my understanding should only cover basic needs, food, warmth, transport. Not fags, booze, drugs, betting and Sky TV, and now football???!!! If people on benefits want those things they work for them or save up like everyone else!

Access to some form of recreation is a basic need. 

[steviestevieneville]

2 minutes ago, 38MC said:

Access to some form of recreation is a basic need. 

Go for a walk then. I agree there shouldn’t be discounts  for people on benefits . That’s ridiculous . 

[extonsred]

I think you should all renew. I've been supporting 65 years n won't be renewing which makes it a bloody certainty they'll have the best season ever!!

[extonsred]

1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

Go for a walk then. I agree there shouldn’t be discounts  for people on benefits . That’s ridiculous . 

Any of us could end up on benefits...many do through no fault of their own.

[exAtyeoMax]

2 minutes ago, extonsred said:

Any of us could end up on benefits...many do through no fault of their own.

I’ve been on benefits and just had to make financial sacrifices. No way did I expect tax payers to supplement my lifestyle.

[pongo88]

It has been the same for the last few years. Many people say they won’t renew but the number of season tickets sold remains approximately the same. Either existing holders give in and renew or there is a steady flow of new people buying tickets. It will be interesting to see if the events of this season, and people’s anger, really make a difference 

[Numero Uno]

32 minutes ago, RedM said:

Why should people on benefits get discounted tickets? Isn't football a hobby? No matter how you sugar coat this it's not a necessity.

Benefits from my understanding should only cover basic needs, food, warmth, transport. Not fags, booze, drugs, betting and Sky TV, and now football???!!! If people on benefits want those things they work for them or save up like everyone else!

Why should THEY get anything, why them what about ME, how about ME, what am I getting out of it. I, I, I, when is someone going to look after ME, ME, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. It's not fair. I'm not getting anything out of it. Not fair, not fair. I'm all right Jack **** everyone else etc. etc. etc. We don't want them smelly, uncouth bastards at the game anyway, do we?

Oh, but what about Wayne and Waynetta slob, never worked a day in their life, why should they, why should they.......? Guess what, Wayne and Waynetta have no interest in football and anyone who cashes their giro (or whatever it is you do now) and goes straight to their dealer certainly won't have any interest in a season ticket either. Get a ******* grip.

Perhaps, on the other hand, when a club cannot shift season tickets and, in fact, look like numbers will be REDUCING anything they can do to attract more supporters and money is worth doing........even if you capped the amount of discounted tickets on offer.

By the way, if you are unlucky enough to be on DISABILITY BENEFITS do you also have to go **** yourself?

[steviestevieneville]

22 minutes ago, extonsred said:

Any of us could end up on benefits...many do through no fault of their own.

I’m not saying they’re not. Doesn’t mean you should get discounted season tickets. Just another dumbing down woke thing to say. For every person on benefits through no fault of their own , there’s 20 lazy bastards that can’t be bothered to work . Do you think they should get discounts ? 

[Shauntaylor85]

In fairness to the club the pay monthly scheme is very reasonable. Appreciate the £25 admin fee is upsetting some but we need to make money too and surely we all want the club to be successful?

[exAtyeoMax]

1 minute ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

In fairness to the club the pay monthly scheme is very reasonable. Appreciate the £25 admin fee is upsetting some but we need to make money too and surely we all want the club to be successful?

Shame you can’t pay it by Klarna, there’s no set up fee for that.

At the moment I don’t want the club ripping off anyone to be honest. 
sort out your commercial side properly!

[Numero Uno]

What so confusing @exAtyeoMax? What is actually wrong with the club offering a discount, even if it's for a maximum period, to someone who has lost their job? It seems very typical of people now to bleat because someone is getting something slightly cheaper than them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've all been on benefits at some point in life. Some of us just don't act like heroes about it. "Oh, look at me making sacrifices". Yeah, we know, everyone else did too.

And, I'll ask again, if you are on Disability Benefits does that still make you a scrounger who doesn't deserve a discounted season ticket?

[Numero Uno]

5 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

I’m not saying they’re not. Doesn’t mean you should get discounted season tickets. Just another dumbing down woke thing to say. For every person on benefits through no fault of their own , there’s 20 lazy bastards that can’t be bothered to work . Do you think they should get discounts ? 

.......and NONE of the twenty lazy bastards you speak of will be interested in a season ticket unless you were literally giving it away.

[Bristol Rob]

1 hour ago, RedM said:

Why should people on benefits get discounted tickets? Isn't football a hobby? No matter how you sugar coat this it's not a necessity.

Benefits from my understanding should only cover basic needs, food, warmth, transport. Not fags, booze, drugs, betting and Sky TV, and now football???!!! If people on benefits want those things they work for them or save up like everyone else!

I remember when I started going you got a cheaper ticket if you were able to show your UB40 card.

 

[RedM]

48 minutes ago, 38MC said:

Access to some form of recreation is a basic need. 

There are plenty of parks etc for fresh air and exercise. If football really is a MUST stand on the touchline of a parks match. But to suggest a business should offer their expensive product at a further discount to people on benefits is a complete non starter. 

[Numero Uno]

Just now, RedM said:

There are plenty of parks etc for fresh air and exercise. If football really is a MUST stand on the touchline of a parks match. But to suggest a business should offer their expensive product at a further discount to people on benefits is a complete non starter. 

......and that includes people on Disability Benefits?

[Numero Uno]

4 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I remember when I started going you got a cheaper ticket if you were able to show your UB40 card.

 

Imagine being knocked over by a Bus that was totally not your fault, not being able to work because of it (or only being able to work at a severely reduced wage) and being told by the club to go and do one you scrounging git.........

[marmite]

27 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

It has been the same for the last few years. Many people say they won’t renew but the number of season tickets sold remains approximately the same. Either existing holders give in and renew or there is a steady flow of new people buying tickets. It will be interesting to see if the events of this season, and people’s anger, really make a difference 

There are multiple reasons why people do or don't renew. We're all used to watching City so expectations are never high! 

But is there anyone on this forum who is renewing or first time s/t holder because we do have JL,BT,and LM running the show??

[frenchred]

3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Imagine being knocked over by a Bus that was totally not your fault, not being able to work because of it (or only being able to work at a severely reduced wage) and being told by the club to go and do one you scrounging git.........

Imagine the compo you would get!

[RedM]

3 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I remember when I started going you got a cheaper ticket if you were able to show your UB40 card.

 

Was that when unemployment was at a record high and there were hundreds of applicants for even the basic jobs? It's very different now with vacancies unfilled. There is of course work from home, broadband etc which there wasn't back then. Most fit and able bodied people can now do some sort of work, but unfortunately the benefits system doesn't motivate them too. Obviously there are exceptions but I personally don't see why it would be feasible to offer discounts in this case. The cost will have to be found somewhere, and everything has a cost.

[RedM]

6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

......and that includes people on Disability Benefits?

I believe these are already catered for aren't they? 

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, frenchred said:

Imagine the compo you would get!

Would take about five years mind........in the meantime "go and watch De Veys" at Kings Head Park you "Broke ***".......

[Numero Uno]

Just now, RedM said:

I believe these are already catered for aren't they? 

People with obvious accessibility issues are, I don't know about all disabilities.................I would hope so.

[exAtyeoMax]

26 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

What so confusing @exAtyeoMax? What is actually wrong with the club offering a discount, even if it's for a maximum period, to someone who has lost their job? It seems very typical of people now to bleat because someone is getting something slightly cheaper than them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've all been on benefits at some point in life. Some of us just don't act like heroes about it. "Oh, look at me making sacrifices". Yeah, we know, everyone else did too.

And, I'll ask again, if you are on Disability Benefits does that still make you a scrounger who doesn't deserve a discounted season ticket?

Well, if you take that tone! I was just trying to have a discussion about the idea.

The benefit system is wide and diverse. You mentioned scroungers, not me. Unfortunately there are people who exploit the system, and there are those who need support.

[Galley is our king]

2 minutes ago, RedM said:

I believe these are already catered for aren't they? 

No, when the equal rights bill became law, it gave companies the right to choose if they wanted to keep some sort of reduction for people with disabilities. Our club decided that equal rights should be upheld. I attended a supporter meeting with Ashton about this. We did manage to get the club to phase the extra increase over 3 years so no, no less for disabilities except those in the wheelchair section who do benefit from a free carers seat.

That is excellent but for the vast majority, no.

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Well, if you take that tone! I was just trying to have a discussion about the idea.

The benefit system is wide and diverse. You mentioned scroungers, not me. Unfortunately there are people who exploit the system, and there are those who need support.

How many people do you know who "are not interested in working" that have a season ticket at the Gate? Do people who aren't interested in working exist? 100% they do and I would bet that most of us know someone in that category. Are they interested in discounted season tickets at Ashton Gate (we wouldn't be talking 70% discount and giving the thing away)? I certainly don't know anyone in that category.

[Numero Uno]

Just now, Galley is our king said:

No, when the equal rights bill became law, it gave companies the right to choose if they wanted to keep some sort of reduction for people with disabilities. Our club decided that equal rights should be upheld. I attended a supporter meeting with Ashton about this. We did manage to get the club to phase the extra increase over 3 years so no, no less for disabilities except those in the wheelchair section who do benefit from a free carers seat.

That is excellent but for the vast majority, no.

That's what I thought and, as we all know, disability isn't JUST people with obvious accessibility issues (i.e. in a wheelchair).

[exAtyeoMax]

Just now, Numero Uno said:

How many people do you know who "are not interested in working" that have a season ticket at the Gate? Do people who aren't interested in working exist? 100% they do and I would bet that most of us know someone in that category. Are they interested in discounted season tickets at Ashton Gate (we wouldn't be talking 70% discount and giving the thing away)? I certainly don't know anyone in that category.

What are you talking about? You obviously want an argument and I'm not going to give you one.

I just said that when I was on benefits I had to make financial sacrifices and didn't expect tax payers money to supplement my lifestyle, nothing more.

[elhombrecito]

43 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

I’m not saying they’re not. Doesn’t mean you should get discounted season tickets. Just another dumbing down woke thing to say. For every person on benefits through no fault of their own , there’s 20 lazy bastards that can’t be bothered to work . Do you think they should get discounts ? 

Do you actually believe that? Jesus. 

[Numero Uno]

7 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

What are you talking about? You obviously want an argument and I'm not going to give you one.

I just said that when I was on benefits I had to make financial sacrifices and didn't expect tax payers money to supplement my lifestyle, nothing more.

No, just making a valid point.

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

Do you actually believe that? Jesus. 

[BrizzleRed]

38 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I don’t really know how you work that out? Because interest rates wouldn’t have been high for all of the 25 years?

I bought my first flat in 92 for 44k, on a 14k wage. Granted interest rates were high, my payments were around £400 - £500 per month. Utilities were around £80 in total.

my niece has just bought a flat for £460k on two quite high salaries and their payments are around £1000 each for mortgage, and obviously £100s for utilities. How the hell are lower waged people, those with kids etc going to afford to buy anything these days?

I was looking into renting a flat last year, the estate agents wouldn’t consider anyone earning less than £35k a year! I’ve never earned that much in my life!

 

Yes, the house prices are incredibly high now, but historically, the prices have always  been driven by market forces.  If the demand is high, so are the prices, but if demand drops off due to the prices being too high, the house prices are then reduced to the point where demand is stimulated again. 

Maybe I’m some kind of outlier and my personal experiences are different than most, but I just don’t buy the narrative that the old ‘uns have it easy, as was mentioned by someone earlier in the thread.  Both our kids bought houses by their late 20’s and the vast majority of their circle of friends are also home owners.  

What I’ve also noticed is, whilst In my situation we had to make do with clapped out second hand stuff to try and furnish our house when we started out, nowadays there are plenty of young ones who seem to think that kind of stuff has to be new from the start, which we would have found impossible.

Home ownership was and is massively tough, whatever period you bought in and there are a huge number of factors involved, both historically and in the present day.

The bottom line is though, 1st time house prices wouldn’t be at such a high level now, if people weren’t still buying, though I guess a proportion of those buyers could be the buy-to-let’s, which could be keeping the market artificially high.

[Natchfever]

1 hour ago, 38MC said:

Access to some form of recreation is a basic need. 

Lots of more affordable options isnt there.