Harry Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) Tinnion tells us he was the best player in Ireland. He also tells us in yesterdays interview that he hasn’t featured yet as he is still in “pre season” as the Irish league only finished in November!! November mind!! His last game was 3rd November. So he’s had 4 months and 10 days off so far. This would be the equivalent of it now being 18th September if you take the same number of days since we ended our season on 8th May. Interestingly, the other “best player in Ireland” (my opinion), Jack Moylan, also finished on 3rd November but has now made 10 appearances for Lincoln. They gradually integrated him and he’s now started the last 2 and scored 4 goals. A couple of ‘wow’ goals too. Anyway, my point is, 2 players who finished the Irish season on 3rd November. 1 has now made 10 league 1 appearances, the other is so-say still in pre-season and hasn’t even had a single minute for our under 21’s. What’s REALLY going on with him?? Is Brian telling us porkies again. There’s no way this kid is still in early pre season mode. Why has he not played a single minute for the 21’s at the very least?? Edited March 12 by Harry 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 6 minutes ago, Harry said: Tinnion tells us he was the best player in Ireland. He also tells us in yesterdays interview that he hasn’t featured yet as he is still in “pre season” as the Irish league only finished in November!! November mind!! His last game was 3rd November. So he’s had 4 months and 10 days off so far. This would be the equivalent of it now being 18th September if you take the same number of days since we ended our season on 8th May. Interestingly, the other “best player in Ireland” (my opinion), Jack Moylan, also finished on 3rd November but has now made 10 appearances for Lincoln. They gradually integrated him and he’s now started the last 2 and scored 4 goals. A couple of ‘wow’ goals too. Anyway, my point is, 2 players who finished the Irish season on 3rd November. 1 has now made 10 league 1 appearances, the other is so-say still in pre-season and hasn’t even had a single minute for our under 21’s. What’s REALLY going on with him?? Is Brian telling us porkies again. There’s no way this kid is still in early pre season mode. Why has he not played a single minute for the 21’s at the very least?? Four month pre season! I can see that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 The easy answer is playing in the championship vs league 1. But I agree, been with us since January. If two months of a “pre season” isn’t even enough to make the bench for the U21’s, let alone the first team, then surely questions need to be asked. I would have thought 30 min cameos for the U21’s would do him the world of good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 28 minutes ago, Harry said: Tinnion tells us he was the best player in Ireland. He also tells us in yesterdays interview that he hasn’t featured yet as he is still in “pre season” as the Irish league only finished in November!! November mind!! His last game was 3rd November. So he’s had 4 months and 10 days off so far. This would be the equivalent of it now being 18th September if you take the same number of days since we ended our season on 8th May. Interestingly, the other “best player in Ireland” (my opinion), Jack Moylan, also finished on 3rd November but has now made 10 appearances for Lincoln. They gradually integrated him and he’s now started the last 2 and scored 4 goals. A couple of ‘wow’ goals too. Anyway, my point is, 2 players who finished the Irish season on 3rd November. 1 has now made 10 league 1 appearances, the other is so-say still in pre-season and hasn’t even had a single minute for our under 21’s. What’s REALLY going on with him?? Is Brian telling us porkies again. There’s no way this kid is still in early pre season mode. Why has he not played a single minute for the 21’s at the very least?? The answer to lots of these weird things the club have done for about a year now. They hide, bullshit, twist, spin and downright lie to the fans. You only have to go back to the fans forums and see Tinnion, arms folded, eye rolling and sighing to know what he thinks about the fan base. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Sam Curtis was wanted by a lot of good clubs in January, I’d argue he was the best player in Ireland with how many sides seemed to be interested. Sheffield United ended up getting him, he’s been on their bench a couple of times but not yet managed to make a first team appearance. I agree that it is weird that we’re yet to see Murphy even in an U23 game though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 25 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: The easy answer is playing in the championship vs league 1. But I agree, been with us since January. If two months of a “pre season” isn’t even enough to make the bench for the U21’s, let alone the first team, then surely questions need to be asked. I would have thought 30 min cameos for the U21’s would do him the world of good. Your easy answer though isn’t even what I’m looking for. If one of them has managed 10 league 1 appearances, how come the other one hasn’t even managed a minute in the 21’s? I’m not at all bothered about first team bench. Just at least some minutes at any level please. I can’t fathom how someone can be on a 4 and half month pre season. I think we are being lied to. Again. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Sam Curtis was wanted by a lot of good clubs in January, I’d argue he was the best player in Ireland with how many sides seemed to be interested. Sheffield United ended up getting him, he’s been on their bench a couple of times but not yet managed to make a first team appearance. I agree that it is weird that we’re yet to see Murphy even in an U23 game though. But Curtis has turned out for their 21’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Henry said: You only have to go back to the fans forums and see Tinnion, arms folded, eye rolling and sighing to know what he thinks about the fan base. I'm unsure which Fans Forum you mean but my experience at the end of the 2022 one- my first and only Fans Forum- NP and Gould, they seemed great, happy to talk to fans etc. Not saying Tinnion wasn't btw but I reckon it was more genuine from them.. Tinnion and his Body Language just isn't good is it. Can't say I got the same feel or vibe off him set against the other 2. Edited March 13 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 In respect of Murphy himself I was hoping that maybe now that we should be on for a midtableish finish maybe he appears on the bench at least once in a while. The odd sub appearance, I know he probably isn't the new Scott but if he is highly thought of and he is fit to do so...we don't fill a bench, neither up or nor down- get him in and around it a bit, maybe 20 minutes here and there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 34 minutes ago, Harry said: Your easy answer though isn’t even what I’m looking for. If one of them has managed 10 league 1 appearances, how come the other one hasn’t even managed a minute in the 21’s? I’m not at all bothered about first team bench. Just at least some minutes at any level please. I can’t fathom how someone can be on a 4 and half month pre season. I think we are being lied to. Again. I agree 100%, this pre season excuse doesn’t make sense as to why he has not featured at any level. Much has been made of Tinnion’s comments recently and the plan for the U18’s. You would have thought Murphy could even slot straight into there for fitness levels, unless there is a rule stating otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Harry said: Tinnion tells us he was the best player in Ireland. He also tells us in yesterdays interview that he hasn’t featured yet as he is still in “pre season” as the Irish league only finished in November!! November mind!! His last game was 3rd November. So he’s had 4 months and 10 days off so far. This would be the equivalent of it now being 18th September if you take the same number of days since we ended our season on 8th May. Interestingly, the other “best player in Ireland” (my opinion), Jack Moylan, also finished on 3rd November but has now made 10 appearances for Lincoln. They gradually integrated him and he’s now started the last 2 and scored 4 goals. A couple of ‘wow’ goals too. Anyway, my point is, 2 players who finished the Irish season on 3rd November. 1 has now made 10 league 1 appearances, the other is so-say still in pre-season and hasn’t even had a single minute for our under 21’s. What’s REALLY going on with him?? Is Brian telling us porkies again. There’s no way this kid is still in early pre season mode. Why has he not played a single minute for the 21’s at the very least?? In last week or the week before’s press conference LM seemed to imply some injury(s). Might’ve been the Cardiff one as there was reference to Stokes training, so suspect it was that one. So definitely stories not straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 16 minutes ago, Davefevs said: In last week or the week before’s press conference LM seemed to imply some injury(s). Might’ve been the Cardiff one as there was reference to Stokes training, so suspect it was that one. So definitely stories not straight. And as we all know,the only time you have to get your stories straight is when you're.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just a guess- he has a good bit of time off after his season (no problem with that) - when he arrives here he's a right sack.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyCity Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 My complete guesswork… - League of Ireland is lower in skill. Murphy is at the top of that league but… - League of Ireland is massively behind in terms of athleticism. Putting on the right amount and type of bulk takes many months - The club is aware that everything is make or break with the fans right now. If they throw him in early and he is average, or below, then that will be enough for us to write him off - I haven’t seen enough of him but I’d guess he’s been brought in to play with someone who isn’t here yet, and/or… - He’s been brought in to replace someone who we need right now, but will be gone in the summer - Regarding no U21 games, I genuinely believe they think he’ll get injured, so are focussing on what they can do away from the football side (he looks to be a naturally skilful player) and concentrating on the athleticism before joining a pre-season proper Slightly unrelated on the last point… they’re probably right with this approach. My personal opinion is that our injuries are caused by the playing surfaces we use - a type of turf invented in Australia that prioritises durability for a multi-sport environment. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Didn’t we not sign him last summer due to injury concerns? Could it be that those injury concerns remain - we’ve jumped on the deal because we think he’s good, but once he’s “in the building” have found that he’s got something more chronic that was indicated but not confirmed fully in the medical? Thats the most plausible thing I can think. As @Harry says, the “pre season” in itself seems nonsense - yes LOI is a far lower standard but as an 18 year old footballer he should have a decent level of inherent fitness and you’d hope that it wasn’t so far behind our 21s that he can’t even play there - particularly as we played a load of 18s yesterday! I’m going for it having been a judgement call on - not fitness - but a “condition”, and we may have got that wrong in our desire to do the deal. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC1512 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Didn’t we not sign him last summer due to injury concerns? Could it be that those injury concerns remain - we’ve jumped on the deal because we think he’s good, but once he’s “in the building” have found that he’s got something more chronic that was indicated but not confirmed fully in the medical? Thats the most plausible thing I can think. As @Harry says, the “pre season” in itself seems nonsense - yes LOI is a far lower standard but as an 18 year old footballer he should have a decent level of inherent fitness and you’d hope that it wasn’t so far behind our 21s that he can’t even play there - particularly as we played a load of 18s yesterday! I’m going for it having been a judgement call on - not fitness - but a “condition”, and we may have got that wrong in our desire to do the deal. If that’s true then why don’t the club update fans!! That’s the frustrating thing the club never keep us updated 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BCFC1512 said: If that’s true then why don’t the club update fans!! That’s the frustrating thing the club never keep us updated As I say, I’m guessing to a degree but for me it’s either that or something like the lad has major homesickness issues that are preventing him from settling (yes Irelands not far but that’s not unprecedented). On the assumption it is medical then I can see a very good reason why they wouldn’t tell fans. Bear in mind who the medical team were in the summer and how things were framed in October… Edited March 13 by Silvio Dante 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, SydneyCity said: My complete guesswork… - League of Ireland is lower in skill. Murphy is at the top of that league but… - League of Ireland is massively behind in terms of athleticism. Putting on the right amount and type of bulk takes many months - The club is aware that everything is make or break with the fans right now. If they throw him in early and he is average, or below, then that will be enough for us to write him off - I haven’t seen enough of him but I’d guess he’s been brought in to play with someone who isn’t here yet, and/or… - He’s been brought in to replace someone who we need right now, but will be gone in the summer - Regarding no U21 games, I genuinely believe they think he’ll get injured, so are focussing on what they can do away from the football side (he looks to be a naturally skilful player) and concentrating on the athleticism before joining a pre-season proper Slightly unrelated on the last point… they’re probably right with this approach. My personal opinion is that our injuries are caused by the playing surfaces we use - a type of turf invented in Australia that prioritises durability for a multi-sport environment. Id go with that, id like to see what he can do, but rather hed be in the absolute best physical condition possible than put him in early and risk a hamstring injury or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I'm unsure which Fans Forum you mean but my experience at the end of the 2022 one- my first and only Fans Forum- NP and Gould, they seemed great, happy to talk to fans etc. Not saying Tinnion wasn't btw but I reckon it was more genuine from them.. Tinnion and his Body Language just isn't good is it. Can't say I got the same feel or vibe off him set against the other 2. The most recent one… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journalist Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: As I say, I’m guessing to a degree but for me it’s either that or something like the lad has major homesickness issues that are preventing him from settling (yes Irelands not far but that’s not unprecedented). On the assumption it is medical then I can see a very good reason why they wouldn’t tell fans. Bear in mind who the medical team were in the summer and how things were framed in October… It is bizarre, when you think about it, how the previous management team are spoken of/thought of. The us/them feeling they’ve created around Pearson/Manning, and almost the way they’ve distanced themselves from what went on previously (or at least the way they want it to be perceived), is reminiscent of a new party coming into power after a general election. Only it isn’t Labour slagging off the way the Tories have been running the country, it’s literally the last people THEY employed to do the job! Edited March 13 by The Journalist 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: Didn’t we not sign him last summer due to injury concerns? Could it be that those injury concerns remain - we’ve jumped on the deal because we think he’s good, but once he’s “in the building” have found that he’s got something more chronic that was indicated but not confirmed fully in the medical? Thats the most plausible thing I can think. As @Harry says, the “pre season” in itself seems nonsense - yes LOI is a far lower standard but as an 18 year old footballer he should have a decent level of inherent fitness and you’d hope that it wasn’t so far behind our 21s that he can’t even play there - particularly as we played a load of 18s yesterday! I’m going for it having been a judgement call on - not fitness - but a “condition”, and we may have got that wrong in our desire to do the deal. From what I’ve heard this is spot on. It isn’t anything to do with having a pre season (if he’d stayed in Ireland he’d be playing again by now because their season has resumed) or doing extra gym work, he has a condition that is stopping him from playing at present. Not knocking Manning here, he seemed a bit tetchy when asked when he’d be available, as I think was expecting to have him as a sub option at this stage but he appears unlikely to be available this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 17 minutes ago, The Journalist said: It is bizarre, when you think about it, how the previous management team are spoken of/thought of. The us/them feeling they’ve created around Pearson/Manning, and almost the way they’ve distanced themselves from what went on previously (or at least the way they want it to be perceived), is reminiscent of a new party coming into power after a general election. Only it isn’t Labour slagging off the way the Tories have been running the country, it’s literally the last people THEY employed to do the job! Indeed - and probably not the thread for it overall but to develop the political analogy, that is straight out of the Tory playbook - Sunak frames himself as having had no part of the prior administration! Both in politics and football though, it is a strategy that can work - but only if you’re delivering meaningful positive change! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 hours ago, Harry said: Tinnion tells us he was the best player in Ireland. He also tells us in yesterdays interview that he hasn’t featured yet as he is still in “pre season” as the Irish league only finished in November!! November mind!! His last game was 3rd November. So he’s had 4 months and 10 days off so far. This would be the equivalent of it now being 18th September if you take the same number of days since we ended our season on 8th May. Interestingly, the other “best player in Ireland” (my opinion), Jack Moylan, also finished on 3rd November but has now made 10 appearances for Lincoln. They gradually integrated him and he’s now started the last 2 and scored 4 goals. A couple of ‘wow’ goals too. Anyway, my point is, 2 players who finished the Irish season on 3rd November. 1 has now made 10 league 1 appearances, the other is so-say still in pre-season and hasn’t even had a single minute for our under 21’s. What’s REALLY going on with him?? Is Brian telling us porkies again. There’s no way this kid is still in early pre season mode. Why has he not played a single minute for the 21’s at the very least?? probably done his hamstrings, its a major requirement for our lot innit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 From the bits and pieces I've read and heard , interviews and articles. We didn't sign him as HE wanted to finish the season with St. Pats. He had 6 or 8 weeks off. He was then going to do a real preseason , I imagine much different to what he's used to. There was a rumour he had had hamstring issues previously so they were going to take their time with him. I get that they. haven't been completely honest with fans so we are a little doubtful , this hasn't all come from Tins , who does seem a little defensive lately. I hope to see the kid soon , but I'd rather he was ready , I imagine there could have been some strengthening & conditioning involved . It's a shame that we don't believe the Clubs media output now, purely because they have said things easily disproved previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: From the bits and pieces I've read and heard , interviews and articles. We didn't sign him as HE wanted to finish the season with St. Pats. He had 6 or 8 weeks off. He was then going to do a real preseason , I imagine much different to what he's used to. There was a rumour he had had hamstring issues previously so they were going to take their time with him. I get that they. haven't been completely honest with fans so we are a little doubtful , this hasn't all come from Tins , who does seem a little defensive lately. I hope to see the kid soon , but I'd rather he was ready , I imagine there could have been some strengthening & conditioning involved . It's a shame that we don't believe the Clubs media output now, purely because they have said things easily disproved previously. He will fit in well here then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 hours ago, Harry said: Tinnion tells us he was the best player in Ireland. He also tells us in yesterdays interview that he hasn’t featured yet as he is still in “pre season” as the Irish league only finished in November!! November mind!! His last game was 3rd November. So he’s had 4 months and 10 days off so far. This would be the equivalent of it now being 18th September if you take the same number of days since we ended our season on 8th May. Interestingly, the other “best player in Ireland” (my opinion), Jack Moylan, also finished on 3rd November but has now made 10 appearances for Lincoln. They gradually integrated him and he’s now started the last 2 and scored 4 goals. A couple of ‘wow’ goals too. Anyway, my point is, 2 players who finished the Irish season on 3rd November. 1 has now made 10 league 1 appearances, the other is so-say still in pre-season and hasn’t even had a single minute for our under 21’s. What’s REALLY going on with him?? Is Brian telling us porkies again. There’s no way this kid is still in early pre season mode. Why has he not played a single minute for the 21’s at the very least?? I thought he was injured? I heard a snippet of an interview with LM I think, saying something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 6 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: I thought he was injured? I heard a snippet of an interview with LM I think, saying something like that. LM , when asked about him , appeared ‘unsure’ when he might get involved and said ‘Im Not a medical man , you’d need to ask the medical team’ or words to that effect Probably what you were referring to Max ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: LM , when asked about him , appeared ‘unsure’ when he might get involved and said ‘Im Not a medical man , you’d need to ask the medical team’ or words to that effect Probably what you were referring to Max ? Possibly, it was a couple of weeks ago. I’d forgotten about him completely and they were mentioning injuries and treatment generally. The interview was around 1st March Edited March 13 by exAtyeoMax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, exAtyeoMax said: Possibly, it was a couple of weeks ago. I’d forgotten about him completely and they were mentioning injuries and treatment generally. I might be reading too much into it but he certainly appeared to suggest that the medical team were working with Murphy Tinnion specifically said it’s not an injury The medical team suggested something more than fitness work to me and as @Harry rightly points out 4 months plus is a very long ‘pre season’ I suspect that @Silvio Dante may be somewhere on the right lines , and we’ve either encountered a bigger issue than we thought , or the medical team are doing work to overcome a weakness / issue we are fully aware of to try and prevent reoccurrence of injury issues Its possibly a slight gamble of a signing on the basis we like him and are prepared to try and overcome a physical problem / injury issues 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 For a Club that has a history of players picking up hamstring injuries triggered by unknowns, to actually sign a player who has allegedly had a history of hamstring injuries triggered by unknowns is just so us. At the Fans Forum, didn’t a Club spokesman appear surprised when challenged about the relatively high percentage of muscle injuries and say we might need to investigate the issue. Maybe we just needed a few more examples to help with their data base. Anyhows, enough of the negativity now. Let’s pull together and have an unbeaten run to the end of the Season just to show all the doubters we’re heading in the right direction under the stewardship of our fresh, new management team. Tally Ho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 30 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: LM , when asked about him , appeared ‘unsure’ when he might get involved and said ‘Im Not a medical man , you’d need to ask the medical team’ or words to that effect Probably what you were referring to Max ? This is what people should focus on. He isn’t having a lengthy pre season or doing specific gym work. Don’t bank on seeing him this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, GrahamC said: From what I’ve heard this is spot on. It isn’t anything to do with having a pre season (if he’d stayed in Ireland he’d be playing again by now because their season has resumed) or doing extra gym work, he has a condition that is stopping him from playing at present. Not knocking Manning here, he seemed a bit tetchy when asked when he’d be available, as I think was expecting to have him as a sub option at this stage but he appears unlikely to be available this season. 41 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: LM , when asked about him , appeared ‘unsure’ when he might get involved and said ‘Im Not a medical man , you’d need to ask the medical team’ or words to that effect Probably what you were referring to Max ? As I said last night, LM’s Cardiff press interview, suggests he’s not just doing a pre-season. If he was, he’d have been shown in the video with Stokes. Here’s the transcript. Basically, LM and BT are not aligned, one is trying to brush it under the carpet as pre-season, the other is trying not to give too much away. You can form your own opinion on it from what has come out. My opinion is that he’s picked up some form of injury / issue. +++++ But I don’t think it’s another Levi Ives situation! (You’ll need a good recall for that one) 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: As I said last night, LM’s Cardiff press interview, suggests he’s not just doing a pre-season. If he was, he’d have been shown in the video with Stokes. Here’s the transcript. Basically, LM and BT are not aligned, one is trying to brush it under the carpet as pre-season, the other is trying not to give too much away. You can form your own opinion on it from what has come out. My opinion is that he’s picked up some form of injury / issue. +++++ But I don’t think it’s another Levi Ives situation! (You’ll need a good recall for that one) Ha ha. Levi Ives mind! Now that was one bizarre episode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: As I said last night, LM’s Cardiff press interview, suggests he’s not just doing a pre-season. If he was, he’d have been shown in the video with Stokes. Here’s the transcript. Basically, LM and BT are not aligned, one is trying to brush it under the carpet as pre-season, the other is trying not to give too much away. You can form your own opinion on it from what has come out. My opinion is that he’s picked up some form of injury / issue. +++++ But I don’t think it’s another Levi Ives situation! (You’ll need a good recall for that one) Why not just be honest? We're not trying to hoodwink an opponent about an upcoming fixture, etc. AlI I can imagine is that they do not now want an injury back story if he us underwhelming and they might move him on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 10 hours ago, Harry said: Tinnion tells us he was the best player in Ireland. He also tells us in yesterdays interview that he hasn’t featured yet as he is still in “pre season” as the Irish league only finished in November!! November mind!! His last game was 3rd November. So he’s had 4 months and 10 days off so far. This would be the equivalent of it now being 18th September if you take the same number of days since we ended our season on 8th May. Interestingly, the other “best player in Ireland” (my opinion), Jack Moylan, also finished on 3rd November but has now made 10 appearances for Lincoln. They gradually integrated him and he’s now started the last 2 and scored 4 goals. A couple of ‘wow’ goals too. Anyway, my point is, 2 players who finished the Irish season on 3rd November. 1 has now made 10 league 1 appearances, the other is so-say still in pre-season and hasn’t even had a single minute for our under 21’s. What’s REALLY going on with him?? Is Brian telling us porkies again. There’s no way this kid is still in early pre season mode. Why has he not played a single minute for the 21’s at the very least?? I thought he said that he was the best YOUNG player in Ireland. I stand to be corrected but that might explain why the 18 year old player has not been pushed straight into the first team to save our season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 Just now, Bat Fastard said: I thought he said that he was the best YOUNG player in Ireland. I stand to be corrected but that might explain why the 18 year old player has not been pushed straight into the first team to save our season. No one is suggesting anything about him being in the first team. Just showing some concern as to why he’s had 4 and half months off and not even a single minute for the 21’s. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, Harry said: No one is suggesting anything about him being in the first team. Just showing some concern as to why he’s had 4 and half months off and not even a single minute for the 21’s. He actually joined in January. Assuming it takes him a few weeks to settle into a new country, he may have been doing his pre-season work for 8 weeks or so. Tins said that he was just about ready, so maybe we can expect him to play in an academy or U21 side in the next week or so. We also don't know if he had any small injuries since he started. Hardly a cause to start criticising Mr Tinnion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Heard it’s nothing to do with being in ‘pre season’ mode. He has injury troubles. Do they think we’d really believe he’s been ‘pre season training’ without it being plastered all over the clubs twitter & ‘uncut’ videos??? Has torn hamstring written all over it before the end of 2024. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) Is Murphy the new McCrorie? Edited March 13 by Merrick's Marvels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Is Murphy the new McCrorie? Murphy's law is active at this club ay the moment. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 The more you think about the pre season excuse, the more ridiculous it sounds. Doing a pre season which will then see him through to the end of the season, at which point he will go off and come back needing to do a pre season! Does anyone recall the real reason we didn’t sign him last summer? I thought it was due to a failed medical, but then he continued to play for St Pats for the remainder of their season? Presumably this could make any medical issue worse. But then who done the medical in January and gave the thumbs up? I don’t get why the club couldn’t say he arrived with an injury. We will work on that this season so that he comes back ready for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 55 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: Why not just be honest? We're not trying to hoodwink an opponent about an upcoming fixture, etc. AlI I can imagine is that they do not now want an injury back story if he us underwhelming and they might move him on. Yeah I agree, what's the point in lying/obscuring the truth? What does it gain them, unless it's something quite personal and they've decided with the player not to release it. But even then you'd think they could be a bit more forthcoming without giving details away, like they did with McCrorie. They're just making life easier today, at the cost of it being a lot more awkward in the future. So naive/short termist. Very odd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Heard Brian has taken up a new job in the past 2 weeks, he's also the head of PR for Kensington Palace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: He actually joined in January. Assuming it takes him a few weeks to settle into a new country, he may have been doing his pre-season work for 8 weeks or so. Tins said that he was just about ready, so maybe we can expect him to play in an academy or U21 side in the next week or so. We also don't know if he had any small injuries since he started. Hardly a cause to start criticising Mr Tinnion. The problem with playing fast and loose with the truth and making up facts and figures is, people stop believing you. Everything he says from now on will be questioned , that is his own doing. 9 minutes ago, petehinton said: Heard it’s nothing to do with being in ‘pre season’ mode. He has injury troubles. Do they think we’d really believe he’s been ‘pre season training’ without it being plastered all over the clubs twitter & ‘uncut’ videos??? Has torn hamstring written all over it before the end of 2024. As I said , he has had hamstring problems in the past , most recent was early last year. Since then he was involved in almost every game , all but 3 out of almost 40 I think. Maybe, they are giving him a full preseason , and extra work on hamstring strength . Dave Rennie ( I think) talked about how poor things were before they came in ( there were graphs I believe) , maybe it's that. It would be good to get some genuine news from the Club. Manning's focus is on the first team, I can understand that , what with results being poor. I would like to hear from others at the Club , Maybe Micky Bell or Hoggy or the medical staff. I trust Tins about as much as BBC North Korea , I would like to hear how they think Stokes, Bird and Murphy are progressing . How bad is Birds injury ? He's our player we would like to know. I'd like to hear much more from the Club besides Manning, we can watch the games he does the Pressers , I want another voice and other news. City's media output Veers from very good to non existent . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 10 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Does anyone recall the real reason we didn’t sign him last summer? https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/possible-twist-proposed-transfer-st-30782234 25 AUG 2023 Highly-rated St Patrick's Athletic midfielder Adam Murphy is set to move to Bristol City. The only question now is the timing of the deal. Adam Murphy could delay his move to Bristol City until January - so that he can feature in St Patrick’s Athletic’s run for Premier Division and FAI Cup glory. The 18-year-old is once again believed to be considering a pause on his switch to the Championship side. A deal looked set to be finalised during this transfer window, such was Bristol City’s eagerness to get him over. However, all parties could yet agree to a situation where Murphy sees out his contract at Richmond Park, which expires at the end of the season. That would mean him signing a pre-contract with the Robins and joining in January. And while that would mean a smaller ‘compensation’ fee going to the Saints than if they sold him now, they would rather retain the player’s services for the next few months. Bristol City still have a week to get the deal over the line in this window. Pat’s have shot into title contention and are just four points adrift of leaders Shamrock Rovers, while they are also competing for FAI Cup glory. Jon Daly’s men have been drawn away to Finn Harps in the quarter-finals of the competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 11 hours ago, Harry said: Tinnion tells us he was the best player in Ireland. He also tells us in yesterdays interview that he hasn’t featured yet as he is still in “pre season” as the Irish league only finished in November!! November mind!! His last game was 3rd November. So he’s had 4 months and 10 days off so far. This would be the equivalent of it now being 18th September if you take the same number of days since we ended our season on 8th May. Interestingly, the other “best player in Ireland” (my opinion), Jack Moylan, also finished on 3rd November but has now made 10 appearances for Lincoln. They gradually integrated him and he’s now started the last 2 and scored 4 goals. A couple of ‘wow’ goals too. Anyway, my point is, 2 players who finished the Irish season on 3rd November. 1 has now made 10 league 1 appearances, the other is so-say still in pre-season and hasn’t even had a single minute for our under 21’s. What’s REALLY going on with him?? Is Brian telling us porkies again. There’s no way this kid is still in early pre season mode. Why has he not played a single minute for the 21’s at the very least?? I have just had the displeasure of reading the Post, or whatever they are named these days. I found it rather shallow in all respects. I won't nit pick all the things he trotted out but I seriously cannot give it any credence. Compare it with what is produced by most other clubs and it is so amateurish. Confirms my belief that at Bristol City we'd like to be successful whereas at many other clubs, they are determined that promotion, trophies and success will be achieved. Those former top tier clubs now in League One and Championship are adamant that their place in the top tier will be recovered soon. Not like City where we seem very content with mid/lower Championship 44 years since we dropped out of the First Division. As one City chairman in mid 90's said "We like being the big fish in the Third Division rather than a minnow in the Second tier! Edited March 13 by cidered abroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, 1960maaan said: https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/possible-twist-proposed-transfer-st-30782234 25 AUG 2023 Highly-rated St Patrick's Athletic midfielder Adam Murphy is set to move to Bristol City. The only question now is the timing of the deal. Adam Murphy could delay his move to Bristol City until January - so that he can feature in St Patrick’s Athletic’s run for Premier Division and FAI Cup glory. The 18-year-old is once again believed to be considering a pause on his switch to the Championship side. A deal looked set to be finalised during this transfer window, such was Bristol City’s eagerness to get him over. However, all parties could yet agree to a situation where Murphy sees out his contract at Richmond Park, which expires at the end of the season. That would mean him signing a pre-contract with the Robins and joining in January. And while that would mean a smaller ‘compensation’ fee going to the Saints than if they sold him now, they would rather retain the player’s services for the next few months. Bristol City still have a week to get the deal over the line in this window. Pat’s have shot into title contention and are just four points adrift of leaders Shamrock Rovers, while they are also competing for FAI Cup glory. Jon Daly’s men have been drawn away to Finn Harps in the quarter-finals of the competition. Cheers. Am I mad thinking there were definitely rumours of a failed medical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, formerly known as ivan said: Cheers. Am I mad thinking there were definitely rumours of a failed medical? I didn't hear that . It was always just talk about him staying to play, as far as I remember . I've looked and the hamstring problems are easy to find, nothing else about medical issues delaying the move . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Tootle Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 New song for s82...'Hamstrings made of Cheese, Hamstrings made of Cheeeeeesseeeee, We're Bristol City, Hamstrings made of Cheese' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Maybe it just takes longer to coach talent and promise out of new players than we realize? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Harry said: Ha ha. Levi Ives mind! Now that was one bizarre episode Threw someone in a river I heard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, formerly known as ivan said: Cheers. Am I mad thinking there were definitely rumours of a failed medical? There were rumours. How true we’ll never know. But the hamstring injury that might’ve made us wary ought to have been dispelled by his completing a full season. Timing of transfer likely to be down to letting him go OOC so we would only have to pay UEFA compo. But LM and BT’s stories aren’t aligned and pre-season wouldn’t last this long (9-10 weeks since signing), so likely he’s picked up something. Apologies if some people don’t like us questioning what is going on. Some of us just thought he might have made his u21 debut by now, and are excited to see him perform. Questioning doesn’t have to be seen as a dig, and why some have to go straight into “defend the club / staff member” mode baffles me. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddarwedlocker Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 He is back in Dublin currently. Expected that we wont see any of him til next year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 4 minutes ago, OliOTIB said: He is back in Dublin currently. Expected that we wont see any of him til next year. Next year ? Is that next season you mean ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddarwedlocker Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 19 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Next year ? Is that next season you mean ? Yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 28 minutes ago, OliOTIB said: He is back in Dublin currently. Expected that we wont see any of him til next year. Interesting… completely at odds with what Tinman alluded to few weeks back on radio. I hope the local journos pick up on this and ask the question at the next press conference and see what response is forthcoming…. Simple ask really… why has he not featured in U21s yet and has he gone home ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 That's pretty odd, Manning needs asking about this next Press Conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Musicworks Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 So he came over did his pre-season, now gone home and will be back for another pre-season presumably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 How much of a setback to his progression since joining us has this been? This would be 9 months+ without a competitive game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, OliOTIB said: He is back in Dublin currently. Expected that we wont see any of him til next year. Imagine my shock. It’s almost like he’s been struggling with tendinitis pretty much since signing & the stuff Tinnion said about a pre season was utter horseshit, isn’t it? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Imagine my shock. It’s almost like he’s been struggling with tendinitis pretty much since signing & the stuff Tinnion said about a pre season was utter horseshit, isn’t it? Tinnion is an expert in spouting horseshit. Si no surprise really 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee dog Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 There was a Murphy on the Irish under 21 bench the other week but didn’t come on, no idea if it was him or somebody else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, DT The Optimist said: Interesting… completely at odds with what Tinman alluded to few weeks back on radio. I hope the local journos pick up on this and ask the question at the next press conference and see what response is forthcoming…. Simple ask really… why has he not featured in U21s yet and has he gone home ? Yep, mentioned a couple of weeks ago that Tinnion (pre-season) and Manning (little injury) weren’t singing from the same hymn sheet. It’s clear Tinnion wasn’t telling the truth! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just now, Toffee dog said: There was a Murphy on the Irish under 21 bench the other week but didn’t come on, no idea if it was him or somebody else. It wasn’t (you can look this stuff up). Apparently Murphy is quite a common Irish surname. Who knew? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 17 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Imagine my shock. It’s almost like he’s been struggling with tendinitis pretty much since signing & the stuff Tinnion said about a pre season was utter horseshit, isn’t it? Tinnion a bullshitter? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 The Manager and the Technical Director come out with conflicting statements and nearly every one of us would have been able to pick the bloke telling the truth. Amazing isn’t it? 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Has anyone verified this murphy injury? Last week it was james being left out cause it would trigger an extension that made everyone lose their shit?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 His insta suggests he’s getting Ice Cream in Dublin, surely the bots on here can fill us in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 4 minutes ago, alexukhc said: His insta suggests he’s getting Ice Cream in Dublin, surely the bots on here can fill us in? So hes in dublin having an ice cream at easter, is there any suggestion hes been seriously injured by our medical wizards and wont be expected to train for the next 3/4 months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: So hes in dublin having an ice cream at easter, is there any suggestion hes been seriously injured by our medical wizards and wont be expected to train for the next 3/4 months? No ones said anything about it being driven the medical staff. But, if the story is that he initially failed a medical in the summer, we’ve now signed him in the January under a new medical team, and he’s now having real trouble with constant tendinitis ever since he joined, that is causing him to not being able to train properly, nor be anywhere near in contention for the u21s let alone the first team. It’s not a good look. Couple that with: Tinnion - ‘he’s fine, but going through a mini pre season’ ‘he was the best player in Ireland’ Manning - ‘he’s picked up a little knock’ He’s now clearly not even training. Then add in the fact by the time next season rolls around, he won’t have played a game in the best part of 10 months, and will be a standard light years ahead of where he’s come from. That’s assuming he’s even good enough to be considered for the first team. It’s really terrible optics all round, but pretty consistent with everything coming out of the club, let’s be honest. Edited March 31 by petehinton 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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