Sam or T.C; who would you choose to keep

[Cole Not Gas]

We have had a tough 2024 against sides who are not in or aspiring to be in the top flight of English football. Against the best we have been coached and set up really well. After yesterdays superb performance where TC ran the channels so well and deserved a penalty post match debate threw up an interesting one i'd like you views on.

We know Tinman loves both these players he has seen grow from kids to potential top class strikers. He will doubtless have a say in who we keep, sell etc but if you could only keep one of our own who would it be. I love TC and his late goals at Rotherham after the worst 45 mins football i have ever attended, but yesterday he didnt take any of his chances. Sam is faster, gave us a magic moment at Swansea in the cup last season and has really taken the chance Tinman gave him

I suspect Liam has already decided who he wants to come into the club and probably who he has to let go from our bunch of forwards. Which of these two would you keep if they were equally fit and raring to go next season?

[Numero Uno]

10 minutes ago, Cole Not Gas said:

We have had a tough 2024 against sides who are not in or aspiring to be in the top flight of English football. Against the best we have been coached and set up really well. After yesterdays superb performance where TC ran the channels so well and deserved a penalty post match debate threw up an interesting one i'd like you views on.

We know Tinman loves both these players he has seen grow from kids to potential top class strikers. He will doubtless have a say in who we keep, sell etc but if you could only keep one of our own who would it be. I love TC and his late goals at Rotherham after the worst 45 mins football i have ever attended, but yesterday he didnt take any of his chances. Sam is faster, gave us a magic moment at Swansea in the cup last season and has really taken the chance Tinman gave him

I suspect Liam has already decided who he wants to come into the club and probably who he has to let go from our bunch of forwards. Which of these two would you keep if they were equally fit and raring to go next season?

Keep Sam (Conway is ******* off anyway), and make sure you report this back, give Liam the rest of the season now to show if he can cut it or not against ALL TEAMS not just the likes of Southampton and Leicester City, kick the despicable Sid's arse right out of it and kick the incompetent Crayon Boy's arse right out of it. Oh, and dismantle Bristol Sport from top to bottom and sack the lot of them.......................

[LondonBristolian]

Conway has a year on his contract and is playing for a manager who lacks the tactical flexibility and adaptability to get the best out of him. The club aren’t the ones making the choice here.

[Simon bristol]

I get the feeling bell is happier to be here than conway is, and I suspect is less likely to run his contract down and try to get out.

[David Brent]

Can’t wait to see what Liam’s next dilemma is

[GrahamC]

Time to put someone on ignore, I reckon.

[Major Isewater]

35 minutes ago, Cole Not Gas said:

We have had a tough 2024 against sides who are not in or aspiring to be in the top flight of English football. Against the best we have been coached and set up really well. After yesterdays superb performance where TC ran the channels so well and deserved a penalty post match debate threw up an interesting one i'd like you views on.

We know Tinman loves both these players he has seen grow from kids to potential top class strikers. He will doubtless have a say in who we keep, sell etc but if you could only keep one of our own who would it be. I love TC and his late goals at Rotherham after the worst 45 mins football i have ever attended, but yesterday he didnt take any of his chances. Sam is faster, gave us a magic moment at Swansea in the cup last season and has really taken the chance Tinman gave him

I suspect Liam has already decided who he wants to come into the club and probably who he has to let go from our bunch of forwards. Which of these two would you keep if they were equally fit and raring to go next season?

I bet your tongue is brown. 

[Fuber]

38 minutes ago, Cole Not Gas said:

We have had a tough 2024 against sides who are not in or aspiring to be in the top flight of English football. Against the best we have been coached and set up really well. After yesterdays superb performance where TC ran the channels so well and deserved a penalty post match debate threw up an interesting one i'd like you views on.

We know Tinman loves both these players he has seen grow from kids to potential top class strikers. He will doubtless have a say in who we keep, sell etc but if you could only keep one of our own who would it be. I love TC and his late goals at Rotherham after the worst 45 mins football i have ever attended, but yesterday he didnt take any of his chances. Sam is faster, gave us a magic moment at Swansea in the cup last season and has really taken the chance Tinman gave him

I suspect Liam has already decided who he wants to come into the club and probably who he has to let go from our bunch of forwards. Which of these two would you keep if they were equally fit and raring to go next season?

*Pearson.

[BCFC31]

1 hour ago, Cole Not Gas said:

We have had a tough 2024 against sides who are not in or aspiring to be in the top flight of English football. Against the best we have been coached and set up really well. After yesterdays superb performance where TC ran the channels so well and deserved a penalty post match debate threw up an interesting one i'd like you views on.

We know Tinman loves both these players he has seen grow from kids to potential top class strikers. He will doubtless have a say in who we keep, sell etc but if you could only keep one of our own who would it be. I love TC and his late goals at Rotherham after the worst 45 mins football i have ever attended, but yesterday he didnt take any of his chances. Sam is faster, gave us a magic moment at Swansea in the cup last season and has really taken the chance Tinman gave him

I suspect Liam has already decided who he wants to come into the club and probably who he has to let go from our bunch of forwards. Which of these two would you keep if they were equally fit and raring to go next season?

Both players no where near ready to be considered very good championship players for me tommy is bang average although performing below average at the moment and sam bell isn't even a championship player good leauge one player yes but his end product is atrocious and he is weak as piss there so over hyped and over rated by the club because there " one of our own " and the club are always desperate to create the next big sellable asset they arnt the next alex scott or semenyo and never will be I really don't give a crap if there one of our own or one of some other teams own if there good enough that's all that matters.

Edited March 30 by BCFC31

[steviestevieneville]

1 hour ago, Cole Not Gas said:

We have had a tough 2024 against sides who are not in or aspiring to be in the top flight of English football. Against the best we have been coached and set up really well. After yesterdays superb performance where TC ran the channels so well and deserved a penalty post match debate threw up an interesting one i'd like you views on.

We know Tinman loves both these players he has seen grow from kids to potential top class strikers. He will doubtless have a say in who we keep, sell etc but if you could only keep one of our own who would it be. I love TC and his late goals at Rotherham after the worst 45 mins football i have ever attended, but yesterday he didnt take any of his chances. Sam is faster, gave us a magic moment at Swansea in the cup last season and has really taken the chance Tinman gave him

I suspect Liam has already decided who he wants to come into the club and probably who he has to let go from our bunch of forwards. Which of these two would you keep if they were equally fit and raring to go next season?

I’ve changed my mind . I don’t want manning sacked because he has played mind numbing football. I want him  sacked so you will **** off . One win & it’s thread after thread of ass licking . 

Edited March 30 by steviestevieneville

[nickolas]

Tbf i’d sell both!

Bell too lightweight and doesnt have the pace people praise him with. 
If Conway is throwing his billy big boll@x toys out of the pram then he can go too. 
I doubt we’d get anywhere near the kind of fees people may think too. 
 

[tin]

I don’t usually reply to BS bots like this chump, but Conway has way more potential than Bell IMO. I’ll be happy if this comes back to bite me on the arse, but I haven’t seen enough from Bell to say he’ll either make a prolific striker or consistent threat at this level. 

[Northern Red]

Hampshire Red la la la...

[IAmNick]

I'm not sure either suit what Manning wants, so it depends on how the rest of the team would be set up. If it's the monotonous one paced Manning ball we've seen most of the time since he came in, neither of them.

[Fuber]

The token revisionism - 'Tinman' this that and other is so, so transparent.

@Cole Not Gas explain to me how Tinnion gave Bell his chance.

He didn't sign him nor Conway. Tim Kirk did.

He didn't develop him nor Conway. Gary Probert did.

He didn't play him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

He didn't integrate him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

Aside from finding local loans (which literally anyone could resolve/organise, and some - Bells loan to Grimsby - were a waste of time), what's he done?

Edited March 30 by Fuber

[bearded_red]

3 hours ago, Cole Not Gas said:

We have had a tough 2024 against sides who are not in or aspiring to be in the top flight of English football. Against the best we have been coached and set up really well. After yesterdays superb performance where TC ran the channels so well and deserved a penalty post match debate threw up an interesting one i'd like you views on.

We know Tinman loves both these players he has seen grow from kids to potential top class strikers. He will doubtless have a say in who we keep, sell etc but if you could only keep one of our own who would it be. I love TC and his late goals at Rotherham after the worst 45 mins football i have ever attended, but yesterday he didnt take any of his chances. Sam is faster, gave us a magic moment at Swansea in the cup last season and has really taken the chance Tinman gave him

I suspect Liam has already decided who he wants to come into the club and probably who he has to let go from our bunch of forwards. Which of these two would you keep if they were equally fit and raring to go next season?

You’re either on wind up, or the thickest *** going around.

Every single post is a complete steaming pile of turd. Well done.

[Street red]

3 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

Keep Sam (Conway is ******* off anyway), and make sure you report this back, give Liam the rest of the season now to show if he can cut it or not against ALL TEAMS not just the likes of Southampton and Leicester City, kick the despicable Sid's arse right out of it and kick the incompetent Crayon Boy's arse right out of it. Oh, and dismantle Bristol Sport from top to bottom and sack the lot of them.......................

Well said get the lot gone Big time Charlies.. 

[Street red]

21 minutes ago, Fuber said:

The token revisionism - 'Tinman' this that and other is so, so transparent.

@Cole Not Gas explain to me how Tinnion gave Bell his chance.

He didn't sign him nor Conway. Tim Kirk did.

He didn't develop him nor Conway. Gary Probert did.

He didn't play him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

He didn't integrate him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

Aside from finding local loans (which literally anyone could resolve/organise, and some - Bells loan to Grimsby - were a waste of time), what's he done?

Out of likes but to you, Everyone thinks the sun shines out his northern arse.

[Red-Robbo]

I'd keep Conway. He's destined to score more goals than Sam. However the decision is out of our hands. 

[skinheadface]

Pretty obvious Conway wants out.

[Davefevs]

Pointless post.  Conway is off, and even if he wasn’t, he’s the superior player. FACT! 

 

 

 

(Well, imho)

[Bris Red]

4 hours ago, David Brent said:

Can’t wait to see what Liam’s next dilemma is

Whether to get his hair done in Turkey or over here perhaps?.. (sorry couldn't resist )

[The Original OTIB]

1 hour ago, Bris Red said:

Whether to get his hair done in Turkey or over here perhaps?.. (sorry couldn't resist )

[Major Isewater]

3 hours ago, Fuber said:

The token revisionism - 'Tinman' this that and other is so, so transparent.

@Cole Not Gas explain to me how Tinnion gave Bell his chance.

He didn't sign him nor Conway. Tim Kirk did.

He didn't develop him nor Conway. Gary Probert did.

He didn't play him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

He didn't integrate him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

Aside from finding local loans (which literally anyone could resolve/organise, and some - Bells loan to Grimsby - were a waste of time), what's he done?

Aqueducts ? 

[Maltshoveller]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Pointless post.  Conway is off, and even if he wasn’t, he’s the superior player. FACT! 

 

 

 

(Well, imho)

Well done on knowing the difference between FACT and Opinion

So many on here dont 

 

FACT

[REDOXO]

6 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Time to put someone on ignore, I reckon.

Just did it. 
 

 

[Merrick's Marvels]

3 hours ago, Fuber said:

The token revisionism - 'Tinman' this that and other is so, so transparent.

@Cole Not Gas explain to me how Tinnion gave Bell his chance.

He didn't sign him nor Conway. Tim Kirk did.

He didn't develop him nor Conway. Gary Probert did.

He didn't play him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

He didn't integrate him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

Aside from finding local loans (which literally anyone could resolve/organise, and some - Bells loan to Grimsby - were a waste of time), what's he done?

Well said.

This bears constant repetition- until our loans manager goes back to being exactly that.

Edited March 30 by Merrick's Marvels

[Merrick's Marvels]

Wrong question.

The arselickin OP should be asking Liam - if we continue with 3 at the back and 2 10s, where does Sam Bell even fit in?

Because unlike other wide players, such as Sykes and Mehmeti, he can't play as an ACM.

He might play in a 2 up front - eventually - but our dogmatic Coachbot seems to be wedded, indeed welded, to playing just a lone striker. And that will never be Sam Bell at this level.

We have some good players at our club.

If only we had a pragmatic, flexible Coach whose focus was using a system to get the maximum out of his players. Not one dogmatically focusing on his system - especially when, like he said again after yesterday's game, the system is, first and foremost, about how to stop the other team playing. How boring, negative and uninspiring is that.

Start by asking- how can we get the best football out of these players? This would surely bring better results and better football.

Great to see both Pring and Roberts in the team yesterday -  that's a start.

Edited March 30 by Merrick's Marvels

[lenred]

1 hour ago, The Original OTIB said:

What a hair island Steve has! 

[ORANGE500]

6 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

Conway has a year on his contract and is playing for a manager who lacks the tactical flexibility and adaptability to get the best out of him. The club aren’t the ones making the choice here.

75 games in the championship 17 goals( quite a few penalties included) under 2 different managers would suggest that he is exactly what he looks very average. I expect the forward line and also the midfield will look somewhat different in August and won't include Tommy Conway, I would sell for as much as possible which ids probably a couple of million at best.

[The Original OTIB]

6 minutes ago, lenred said:

What a hair island Steve has! 

Hair Island, watch all the action as elderly balding men compete for the attention of tonsorial teasing totty and the star prize of a thatched bridge.

Edited March 30 by The Original OTIB

[Bris Red]

5 minutes ago, lenred said:

What a hair island Steve has! 

Proper!

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, Fuber said:

The token revisionism - 'Tinman' this that and other is so, so transparent.

@Cole Not Gas explain to me how Tinnion gave Bell his chance.

He didn't sign him nor Conway. Tim Kirk did.

He didn't develop him nor Conway. Gary Probert did.

He didn't play him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

He didn't integrate him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

Aside from finding local loans (which literally anyone could resolve/organise, and some - Bells loan to Grimsby - were a waste of time), what's he done?

Thanks for your continued insight into the structure of city academy past and present.  I have no beef with Tinnion, but some of OTIB (maybe Tins himself, Jon for sure) have created a helluva CV of roles / responsibilities that aren’t true or poorly chronologued.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

And Tins said that having grown through the academy together Conway and Bell would be the City front two for years to come! 

[Supersonic Robin]

Conway is miles ahead of Bell.

If we simply had the choice to keep one, I'd pick Conway without a moment's hesitation.

Unfortunately, we don't have full control in the current situation. It doesn't seem that Conway is particularly likely to stay.

[Superjack]

12 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

And Tins said that having grown through the academy together Conway and Bell would be the City front two for years to come! 

Tinnion says whatever he thinks makes Tinnion look good at the time. 

He doesn't have the intelligence to grasp that things might come back to bite him in the arse. 

But then he doesn't need to. Because apparently he is the club 'legend'.

Get him gone.

[Supersonic Robin]

1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

If we continue with 3 at the back and 2 10s, where does Sam Bell even fit in?

Because unlike other wide players, such as Sykes and Mehmeti, he can't play as an ACM.

He might play in a 2 up front - eventually - but our dogmatic Coachbot seems to be wedded, indeed welded, to playing just a lone striker. And that will never be Sam Bell at this level.

Agreed, when I look at the 3-4-2-1 (which seems to be Manning's preference when all are fit), I don't see any role for Bell at all.

I'd suggest the most appropriate role for him might be as a RWB, but it still feels like a square peg in a round hole.

I have similar views on Cornick - I don't see where he fits into that system either. He could potentially do a job in one of the attacking midfield roles, but isn't really the style of player you'd want in there.

[LondonBristolian]

1 hour ago, ORANGE500 said:

75 games in the championship 17 goals( quite a few penalties included) under 2 different managers would suggest that he is exactly what he looks very average. I expect the forward line and also the midfield will look somewhat different in August and won't include Tommy Conway, I would sell for as much as possible which ids probably a couple of million at best.

We shall, of course, see. I think you are right that we will struggle to get as near as much as many of us would hope for Conway given he has one year on his contract and has struggled this season. But, when he does move on - as I suspect he will - we will find out whether he is “very average” or whether our tactics and approach have held him back.

I know which of those I think it is but time will tell.

[Davefevs]

Just assume he decides to 3421 going forward.

CF: Wells, Conway (his replacement) plus new no9

10s: Twine (or another), Sykes, Mehmeti, Stokes (future)

CM: TGH, Knight, Bird, Murphy (future)

++++

Where does Bell fit?  Or is Bell the replacement.

Where does Cornick fit?

Where does Sykes fit if he’s not a no10?

Do you replace one or both of James or Williams assuming not extending, because you have four CMs already.

Bold - as stated by technical director.

Squad building is an art form, flip-flopping between back-3 and back-4, can look like a bit Jackson Pollock (rhyming slang)!

 

[Merrick's Marvels]

39 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Just assume he decides to 3421 going forward.

CF: Wells, Conway (his replacement) plus new no9

10s: Twine (or another), Sykes, Mehmeti, Stokes (future)

CM: TGH, Knight, Bird, Murphy (future)

++++

Where does Bell fit?  Or is Bell the replacement.

Where does Cornick fit?

Where does Sykes fit if he’s not a no10?

Do you replace one or both of James or Williams assuming not extending, because you have four CMs already.

Bold - as stated by technical director.

Squad building is an art form, flip-flopping between back-3 and back-4, can look like a bit Jackson Pollock (rhyming slang)!

 

For clarity - if Conway leaves do you think we'll sign 2 centre forwards?

Only because I get the feeling Lansdown has drawn in the purse strings permanently and will spend a minimum going forward, might it be a case of Conway is sold and next season our lone strikers are New no.9, Wells and Cornick?

A very brave alternative being sell Cornick, buy new No.9 and hope Conway-Newbie-Wells gets us promoted. The risk being in 120 months, Conway leaves for nowt but compensation. Mind you, the way Manning is playing him, Conway's value can't be much more than that now anyway!

Re midfield, assuming James is allowed to leave (face palm), I'd still sign a proven centre mid, even if Williams stays as TGH, Knight and Bird is short on know how for me.

Edited March 30 by Merrick's Marvels

[M.D]

2 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

For clarity - if Conway leaves do you think we'll sign 2 centre forwards?

Only because I get the feeling Lansdown has drawn in the purse strings permanently and will spend a minimum going forward, might it be a case of Conway is sold and next season our lone strikers are New no.9, Wells and Cornick?

A very brave alternative being sell Cornick, buy new No.9 and hope Conway-Newbie-Wells gets us promoted. The risk being in 120 months, Conway leaves for nowt but compensation. Mind you, the way Manning is playing him, Conway's value can't be much more than that now anyway!

I think it will be new no.9, wells and Seb, saving loads of cash..

[Merrick's Marvels]

30 minutes ago, M.D said:

I think it will be new no.9, wells and Seb, saving loads of cash..

Asking a lot of Seb but would love to see it happen!

He certainly fits the strong, mobile runner Tinnion has said we're after but I wouldn't want to be relying on him for Championship goals. Let's not burden the lad with that just yet.

Prefer to see him have another loan next season, play as first choice striker for someone, be the main man, hit double figures for a season. Then we'd know we've got something.

He's certainly doing all the right things so far, though, isn't he?

Edited March 30 by Merrick's Marvels

[M.D]

Just now, Merrick's Marvels said:

Asking a lot of Seb but would love to see it happen!

He certainly fits the strong, mobile runner Tinnion has said we're after but I wouldn't want to be relying on him for Championship goals. Let's not burden the lad with that just yet.

Prefer to see him have another loan next season, play as first choice striker for someone, be the main man and hot double figures for a season. Then we'd know we've got something.

He's certainly doing all the right things so far, though, isn't he?

I agree, he wouldn't be my choice as back up so soon though, but I can see the club doing it..

[Davefevs]

50 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

For clarity - if Conway leaves do you think we'll sign 2 centre forwards?

Only because I get the feeling Lansdown has drawn in the purse strings permanently and will spend a minimum going forward, might it be a case of Conway is sold and next season our lone strikers are New no.9, Wells and Cornick?

A very brave alternative being sell Cornick, buy new No.9 and hope Conway-Newbie-Wells gets us promoted. The risk being in 120 months, Conway leaves for nowt but compensation. Mind you, the way Manning is playing him, Conway's value can't be much more than that now anyway!

Re midfield, assuming James is allowed to leave (face palm), I'd still sign a proven centre mid, even if Williams stays as TGH, Knight and Bird is short on know how for me.

You are right, SL has tightened the purse strings.  You either add Cornick to Wells and new no9 or Bell…or you try to find a young nugget for a sensible fee with room to grow and who won’t be arsey biding his time.

I just worry about having too many midfielders.  Would be easier for us fans to play football manager if we knew the fate of Jamo and Joe,

[Major Isewater]

4 hours ago, The Original OTIB said:

 

[Numero Uno]

1 hour ago, M.D said:

I think it will be new no.9, wells and Seb, saving loads of cash..

Might be but I’m not sure a bench player at Newport when everyone is fit translates into a successful Championship Centre Forward over three months.

[The Original OTIB]

3 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

 

[The Original OTIB]

3 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

 

[JP Hampton]

13 hours ago, Fuber said:

The token revisionism - 'Tinman' this that and other is so, so transparent.

@Cole Not Gas explain to me how Tinnion gave Bell his chance.

He didn't sign him nor Conway. Tim Kirk did.

He didn't develop him nor Conway. Gary Probert did.

He didn't play him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

He didn't integrate him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

Aside from finding local loans (which literally anyone could resolve/organise, and some - Bells loan to Grimsby - were a waste of time), what's he done?

It seems to be a common error thinking that BT should be singled out for praise, for some of our early and notable academy signings . Gary Probert, when here, was far more involved, while as you say BT was actually Loans Manager iirr. 
 I just think BT was much more visible. 

[Superjack]

13 hours ago, Fuber said:

The token revisionism - 'Tinman' this that and other is so, so transparent.

@Cole Not Gas explain to me how Tinnion gave Bell his chance.

He didn't sign him nor Conway. Tim Kirk did.

He didn't develop him nor Conway. Gary Probert did.

He didn't play him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

He didn't integrate him, nor Conway. Pearson did.

Aside from finding local loans (which literally anyone could resolve/organise, and some - Bells loan to Grimsby - were a waste of time), what's he done?

Has he explained yet?

 

No?...

 

... Go figure.

[YorkshireSection]

Conway I heard was being closely monitored (pre injury) by Southampton, unless anything was written with the help of a lawyer I doubt that same interest will be apparent anymore but as Grievsie once said "its a funny old game".

[RedEyez]

The answer is very simple. I would choose the one who wants to stay.