Mbude

[E.G.Red]

15 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Thought Manning said that he had scouted him extensively. Unfortunately the work experience analyst is still Head Coach.

Well if the reports that Tottenham, Club Bruge and PSV Eindhoven were keen to sign him are true, someone somewhere must have seen something in him. If the terms of his loan allowed I would have liked to see him play a couple of U21 games to acclimatise to our style of play and then include him in the first team. Thought there were a couple of good touches when he did come on. Would like him get a chance  Saturday to show why we signed him.

[Natchfever]

On 21/04/2024 at 11:07, 1960maaan said:

I am amazed he's not been given a run in the U21s. When you think a few of the first team who actually play, notably Kahki , have had a run out for them just to get minutes. Training is one thing, but surely seeing him in a match would be good, even if it is one the U21.

Maybe hes Billy big spuds and refuses to be anywhere but the first team because his contract says so, even though established pros are happy for the run out.

 

[Simon bristol]

On 21/04/2024 at 13:54, sh1t_ref_again said:

I going against the grain here and all the expert sages we have on here, when he came on I thought he had a nice touch but looked a total stranger to his team mates which was not surprising given he had only just come in. The step up in fitness and speed of the championship is massive to a player who has not been playing, but the clips of him training from a while back he looked to have good quality finishing, but perhaps he needs time physically to be up to this level.

As for not getting on the pitch, I will give an alternative conspiracy theory that we are happy for other teams to not seem him play, particularly if we are having to negotiate a deal for him.

Of course I could be wrong and he will go back and never be heard from again, but even if thats the case we lost very little bringing him in and looking and so what if he is just sat on the bench we cannot fill anyway.

Sounds sensible to me, in the old days we would spend millions on players then never play them, bringing him in for not a lot to have a look at him seems like a good idea compared to what happened with engvall, szomdics et al.

[Silvio Dante]

17 hours ago, E.G.Red said:

Well if the reports that Tottenham, Club Bruge and PSV Eindhoven were keen to sign him are true, someone somewhere must have seen something in him. If the terms of his loan allowed I would have liked to see him play a couple of U21 games to acclimatise to our style of play and then include him in the first team. Thought there were a couple of good touches when he did come on. Would like him get a chance  Saturday to show why we signed him.

Just looking those links up, it seems Fabrizio Romano did one tweet linking DM with the above and it was picked up by the Standard but then there were no further reports/links post that point. It smacks of an agent planting the story as opposed to genuine interest, and you’d have thought if they were genuinely interested they could have beaten Westerlo - particularly as he’s warming their bench before he warmed ours.

With the whole work permit debacle and what we’ve seen here in terms of not touching the side there appears to be more fiction than fact as far as Dire is concerned.

[E.G.Red]

23 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Sounds sensible to me, in the old days we would spend millions on players then never play them, bringing him in for not a lot to have a look at him seems like a good idea compared to what happened with engvall, szomdics et al.

I wonder what influence if any Tommy had in him coming here. After all they play together for Scotland U21s. 

[cidered abroad]

20 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Sounds sensible to me, in the old days we would spend millions on players then never play them, bringing him in for not a lot to have a look at him seems like a good idea compared to what happened with engvall, szomdics et al.

What do you mean by "the old days"? If you mean LJ time here then yes.

Apart from that shambles, I don't remember any time from 1950 onwards that we spent lot's of money on transfer fees and didn't play them.

Some like Hugh McImoyle who were not very good here but we sold him on and got John Galley as his replacement. He did quite well here!

 

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

56 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

What do you mean by "the old days"? If you mean LJ time here then yes.

Apart from that shambles, I don't remember any time from 1950 onwards that we spent lot's of money on transfer fees and didn't play them.

Some like Hugh McImoyle who were not very good here but we sold him on and got John Galley as his replacement. He did quite well here!

 

We didn’t spend a lot of money on him , but I was always bemused by the case of Jim Harvey, a very good midfield player who we signed in 1987 and who only played three times for us.  I remember him saying at the time that he couldn’t understand why Terry Cooper signed him if he didn’t think he was any good.

There was also the strange case of Laurie Pearson, a left back who we signed from Hull in the summer transfer window of 1987, and then swapped for Russell Bromage before the season even started.

 

Edited April 23 by The Dolman Pragmatist

[cotswoldred2]

On 22/04/2024 at 11:28, GrahamC said:

Gnonto went on strike at the start of the season at Leeds to try & force a move to Everton through.

Dinning absolutely had us over, he promised whilst on loan to move down here if we signed him permanently but when we did, refused to do so.

Another of Tinnion’s brilliant signings as manager.

Give it a rest a lot of water under that bridge, Tinnion must be front and centre in everyone's thoughts on here to continually slag off. God how I dislike internet bullies, IF he was in the same room as him you would be fawning all over Tinman wouldn't you?

There was the 3 Lions debacle when it was then to voice any points to the ensemble and not even a titter, the keyboards are so much safer eh?

[cotswoldred2]

Sick of all the snidey posts tbh, just like a bunch of old 'wimmin' sticking in the boot when patently there is no justification at all, it says OTIB on the tin and yet some /most seem to delight in undermining this club and what it is obviously striding for. Is it a Bristol malaise that has to constantly attack individuals? The very people who have the best interests for Bristol City, I know football fans are fickle by nature but this forum currently is demonstrating a dislike for the club and most certainly the people who are employed by the club.

Dare anyone actually call out these posts they are quickly dealt with by a follow up of :laugh:'s or face palms....or even memes demonstrating to me they have lost the argument and resort to basic trolling.

This forum must be food and drink to the other lot, FFS show a bit of support.

[Silvio Dante]

20 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Sick of all the snidey posts tbh, just like a bunch of old 'wimmin' sticking in the boot when patently there is no justification at all, it says OTIB on the tin and yet some /most seem to delight in undermining this club and what it is obviously striding for. Is it a Bristol malaise that has to constantly attack individuals? The very people who have the best interests for Bristol City, I know football fans are fickle by nature but this forum currently is demonstrating a dislike for the club and most certainly the people who are employed by the club.

Dare anyone actually call out these posts they are quickly dealt with by a follow up of :laugh:'s or face palms....or even memes demonstrating to me they have lost the argument and resort to basic trolling.

This forum must be food and drink to the other lot, FFS show a bit of support.

But the issue is that you don’t debate. You’ve brought up a few times “The Truth” and when asked to expand have said “It’s something you deny” as opposed to giving any kind of coherent argument. You get the memes and facepalms not because others have lost - but because you can’t, or won’t, give coherent points.

In respect of being sick of snidey posts, I’d argue you’re equally as guilty - across multiple threads in the last 48 hours you’ve referred to “Nige Groupies” and brought him up unprompted on at least one thread. You’ve then just gone on a bizarre rant at @GrahamC when a valid point has been made about the providence of signing Medube (where Tinnion was very vocal on Twitter as to how good the signing was, so the player not playing is very relevant criticism).

Supporting a team isn’t assuming Brian Tinnion is infallible- in fact, evidence in senior roles is very much the contrary.

I’d argue that supporting a team is very much not just blindly shouting how awesome everything is - in fact, we often mock the other lot because of their lack of ability to critique, so it’s actually the opposite of your final sentence. You blindly not questioning and “FFS showing a bit of support” is actually the meat and drink to other fans.

If you want to avoid the facepalms, debate. Or keep shouting at clouds and think something’s happening that isn’t.

And for everyone else I apologise if this makes the Medube thread “hot” - we’re not signing him (we hope!)

(Aside on DM - I saw a theory earlier that we weren’t playing him so we didn’t alert teams to him. Utter nonsense. We’ve agreed a fee. If we want him he’s our player. He’s not playing because he was pony when he did play and because the coaching staff have seen him for 3 months and concluded he’s not good enough).

Edited April 23 by Silvio Dante

[Davefevs]

20 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

But the issue is that you don’t debate. You’ve brought up a few times “The Truth” and when asked to expand have said “It’s something you deny” as opposed to giving any kind of coherent argument. You get the memes and facepalms not because others have lost - but because you can’t, or won’t, give coherent points.

In a nutshell.

21 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Supporting a team isn’t assuming Brian Tinnion is infallible- in fact, evidence in senior roles is very much the contrary.

More nutshells.  It’s perfectly fine to critique the team, the club, individuals, as it is to praise them.  I don’t go down the “names” used, because that’s not me.

The defence of team, club, individuals on the basis that you must to be a “true supporter” is incredulous, especially without giving any reason.  “Just because I say so” is t really how forums work.

So @cotswoldred2, why not join in, have that discussion, you might find people actually understand where you’re coming from.

[cotswoldred2]

4 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

But the issue is that you don’t debate. You’ve brought up a few times “The Truth” and when asked to expand have said “It’s something you deny” as opposed to giving any kind of coherent argument. You get the memes and facepalms not because others have lost - but because you can’t, or won’t, give coherent points.

In respect of being sick of snidey posts, I’d argue you’re equally as guilty - across multiple threads in the last 48 hours you’ve referred to “Nige Groupies” and brought him up unprompted on at least one thread. You’ve then just gone on a bizarre rant at @GrahamC when a valid point has been made about the providence of signing Medube (where Tinnion was very vocal on Twitter as to how good the signing was, so the player not playing is very relevant criticism).

Supporting a team isn’t assuming Brian Tinnion is infallible- in fact, evidence in senior roles is very much the contrary.

I’d argue that supporting a team is very much not just blindly shouting how awesome everything is - in fact, we often mock the other lot because of their lack of ability to critique, so it’s actually the opposite of your final sentence. You blindly not questioning and “FFS showing a bit of support” is actually the meat and drink to other fans.

If you want to avoid the facepalms, debate. Or keep shouting at clouds and think something’s happening that isn’t.

And for everyone else I apologise if this makes the Medube thread “hot” - we’re not signing him (we hope!)

(Aside on DM - I saw a theory earlier that we weren’t playing him so we didn’t alert teams to him. Utter nonsense. We’ve agreed a fee. If we want him he’s our player. He’s not playing because he was pony when he did play and because the coaching staff have seen him for 3 months and concluded he’s not good enough).

Tins, Manning and all and sundry that might not always fit the vision of the well versed on here with all things football. Lets face it we have a wealth of members on here that simply know better than those that are paid professionals at the club and can prove it by an endless stream of spread sheets pie charts and whatever to back it up.

As said, I understand football fans by nature are opinionated and full of shit if you will, but the constant name calling and quite honestly unjustified personal ,yes snide remarks is becoming the main feature on here and quite frankly it's dull and boring, just now quoting a Tins signing all those years ago as crap.

I enjoy debating, and I do on other sites, but I hate bullying, yes I might have a poke with the groupies comment etc but that is not really insulting, just a dig.

As I said this cynical Bristol thing is very much a reality, if you need a reason why this club has not played in the Prem well this I am sure is a factor, a sprinkling of blind support as seen with Luton, Palace Forest all clubs much the same as us in size have it in spades.

It seems on here being a loyal City fan is very much ridiculed. 

Finally, currently I feel happy with the club than I have for a few years, including the Pearson reign, I did find him oppressive and not at all engaging, and this I am sure is why he was sacked, by us and others.

 

[1960maaan]

55 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Sick of all the snidey posts tbh, just like a bunch of old 'wimmin' sticking in the boot when patently there is no justification at all, it says OTIB on the tin and yet some /most seem to delight in undermining this club and what it is obviously striding for. Is it a Bristol malaise that has to constantly attack individuals? The very people who have the best interests for Bristol City, I know football fans are fickle by nature but this forum currently is demonstrating a dislike for the club and most certainly the people who are employed by the club.

Dare anyone actually call out these posts they are quickly dealt with by a follow up of :laugh:'s or face palms....or even memes demonstrating to me they have lost the argument and resort to basic trolling.

This forum must be food and drink to the other lot, FFS show a bit of support.

Quick question ...

You do know you can look at the Club , the owners , the Staff and players as separate entities don't you ?

You can love the Club and really dislike and criticise any of the others , you really can.

Edited April 23 by 1960maaan

[redsquirrel]

6 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Tins, Manning and all and sundry that might not always fit the vision of the well versed on here with all things football. Lets face it we have a wealth of members on here that simply know better than those that are paid professionals at the club and can prove it by an endless stream of spread sheets pie charts and whatever to back it up.

As said, I understand football fans by nature are opinionated and full of shit if you will, but the constant name calling and quite honestly unjustified personal ,yes snide remarks is becoming the main feature on here and quite frankly it's dull and boring, just now quoting a Tins signing all those years ago as crap.

I enjoy debating, and I do on other sites, but I hate bullying, yes I might have a poke with the groupies comment etc but that is not really insulting, just a dig.

As I said this cynical Bristol thing is very much a reality, if you need a reason why this club has not played in the Prem well this I am sure is a factor, a sprinkling of blind support as seen with Luton, Palace Forest all clubs much the same as us in size have it in spades.

It seems on here being a loyal City fan is very much ridiculed. 

Finally, currently I feel happy with the club than I have for a few years, including the Pearson reign, I did find him oppressive and not at all engaging, and this I am sure is why he was sacked, by us and others.

 

if being a loyal city fan means i have to be like you then im sorry, i dont want to be one

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Lets face it we have a wealth of members on here that simply know better than those that are paid professionals at the club and can prove it by an endless stream of spread sheets pie charts and whatever to back it up.

This attitude I don’t understand. Might as well shut the forum down.

It’s a fans forum, for people to discuss their thoughts and opinions with other fans.  How people get across their points is up to them.  Better to try to explain it that just say “I’m right, you’re wrong”.

How do you think Liam Manning explains things with his audience (his players)?  Videos, drawings (animations), data.

[cotswoldred2]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

In a nutshell.

More nutshells.  It’s perfectly fine to critique the team, the club, individuals, as it is to praise them.  I don’t go down the “names” used, because that’s not me.

The defence of team, club, individuals on the basis that you must to be a “true supporter” is incredulous, especially without giving any reason.  “Just because I say so” is t really how forums work.

So @cotswoldred2, why not join in, have that discussion, you might find people actually understand where you’re coming from.

I don't really have the time or the inclination really to micro examine everything backstage that goes on at the club, the club politics are for others to inspect, my motivation as it has been for many decades is the team on a Saturday or whenever to win hopefully and if we don't perhaps the Rovers will as the old Bristol saying went.

I don't really care who the manager is or was, be it Fred Ford Alan Dicks, or the current MANning, I am blindly crazy still about this club, life would have been a lot easier if Dad and his Dad never took me to the Gate, but hey that's me.

Like I said a bit of crazy unwarranted (perhaps) support for the club might be the missing piece in the puzzle but that is not a realistic Bristol trait really.

[cotswoldred2]

7 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

if being a loyal city fan means i have to be like you then im sorry, i dont want to be one

It might improve your grammar.

[redsquirrel]

2 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

It might improve your grammar.

i think you ought to try teaching  our TD a bit first, mine may not be perfect but your mates grammar is shit

[cotswoldred2]

15 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Quick question ...

You do know you can look at the Club , the owners , the Staff and players as separate entities don't you ?

You can love the Club and really dislike any of the others , you really can.

No, I see it as a whole really. I respect all the club players ,staff, management, and owners, and I can see no reason why any one of those at this time deserve condemnation.

It's the only way forward, if you want to go in that direction, otherwise get off the bus.

[Davefevs]

Just now, cotswoldred2 said:

I don't really have the time or the inclination really to micro examine everything backstage that goes on at the club, the club politics are for others to inspect, my motivation as it has been for many decades is the team on a Saturday or whenever to win hopefully and if we don't perhaps the Rovers will as the old Bristol saying went.

I don't really care who the manager is or was, be it Fred Ford Alan Dicks, or the current MANning, I am blindly crazy still about this club, life would have been a lot easier if Dad and his Dad never took me to the Gate, but hey that's me.

Like I said a bit of crazy unwarranted (perhaps) support for the club might be the missing piece in the puzzle but that is not a realistic Bristol trait really.

It’s nothing to do with a Bristolian trait.  And again you seem to keep insisting that support means “must not critique” and therefore anyone criticising can’t be a supporter.

Critical thinking is very different to just criticising and doesn’t mean you don’t support the team. 

[cotswoldred2]

1 minute ago, redsquirrel said:

i think you ought to try teaching  our TD a bit first, mine may not be perfect but your mates grammar is shit

I don't have any mates, I live in a small village in the Cotswolds.

TD?

[Davefevs]

8 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

It might improve your grammar.

Was that necessary?

[Robbored]

15 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

It seems on here being a loyal City fan is very much ridiculed. 

Finally, currently I feel happy with the club than I have for a few years, including the Pearson reign, I did find him oppressive and not at all engaging, and this I am sure is why he was sacked, by us and others.

 

Ridiculed by whom?…..we’re all City fans - like an unrelated family in some ways. 

As for Nige - the reason for his sacking has been done to death because the ‘reasoning’ dished out by the hierarchy at AG was about as close to lily livered as anyone can get.

We all have our suspicions and although I can’t speak for everyone the overall consensus seems to be that Nige was too outspoken and pissed off the higher ups.

He’s gone and most of the fanbase are trying to get behind Manning.

[1960maaan]

7 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

No, I see it as a whole really. I respect all the club players ,staff, management, and owners, and I can see no reason why any one of those at this time deserve condemnation.

It's the only way forward, if you want to go in that direction, otherwise get off the bus.

That is some real North Korean type shit.

So I really hated Osman & Pulis , so I'm not a City fan ? 

50 odd years following City around the Country , but because I thought Gary Stanley was useless I'm not a real fan ?

 

[Robbored]

8 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

I don't have any mates, I live in a small village in the Cotswolds.

Right!…….change your username to ‘Billy no mates’ then………..

[cotswoldred2]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

It’s nothing to do with a Bristolian trait.  And again you seem to keep insisting that support means “must not critique” and therefore anyone criticising can’t be a supporter.

Critical thinking is very different to just criticising and doesn’t mean you don’t support the team. 

Isn't it? A Bristol trait, I think it very much is Dave, maybe we don't have the right stuff in our DNA to be a Prem team too affluent some say, or a Rugby City that is not the working man's life style that fashioned Manchester Leeds Glasgow etc, we did have a bit of that in the past, but matchday is like a family day out with the kids now, no passion, craft beers and fine dining.

Of course we can critique, but you are a decent likeable bloke and I am sure all this childish name calling must grind your gears. You see it sets the whole tone on OTIB and if you are not on that bandwagon you must be a happy clapper or worse, and in my case much worse.

 

 

[cotswoldred2]

9 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Right!…….change your username to ‘Billy no mates’ then………..

Irony 

[cotswoldred2]

20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Was that necessary?

Entirely.

 

[cotswoldred2]

35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

This attitude I don’t understand. Might as well shut the forum down.

It’s a fans forum, for people to discuss their thoughts and opinions with other fans.  How people get across their points is up to them.  Better to try to explain it that just say “I’m right, you’re wrong”.

How do you think Liam Manning explains things with his audience (his players)?  Videos, drawings (animations), data.

But I honestly thought that was your job, what are you saying.... he has his own statman?

[redsquirrel]

2 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Entirely.

 

just as a matter of interest, what was the right way to type it? other than a ' in dont. i thought it was ok.

[cotswoldred2]

49 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Quick question ...

You do know you can look at the Club , the owners , the Staff and players as separate entities don't you ?

You can love the Club and really dislike and criticise any of the others , you really can.

You can, good for you.

[Atyeo's lift]

Anyway, back to Mebude….

[cotswoldred2]

21 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Ridiculed by whom?…..we’re all City fans - like an unrelated family in some ways. 

As for Nige - the reason for his sacking has been done to death because the ‘reasoning’ dished out by the hierarchy at AG was about as close to lily livered as anyone can get.

We all have our suspicions and although I can’t speak for everyone the overall consensus seems to be that Nige was too outspoken and pissed off the higher ups.

He’s gone and most of the fanbase are trying to get behind Manning.

I always had the impression he was like dealing with a Volcano that could erupt at any moment.

Things are more relaxed and convivial now whilst still having that drive.

'Trying' to get behind Manning sums my thoughts up, should be not be just 'trying' really, he has proved his worth, get behind the City 

[cotswoldred2]

3 minutes ago, Atyeo's lift said:

Anyway, back to Mebude….

Who?

[bearded_red]

10 minutes ago, Atyeo's lift said:

Anyway, back to Mebude….

Great player, will never forget him.

[IAmNick]

1 hour ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Like I said a bit of crazy unwarranted (perhaps) support for the club might be the missing piece in the puzzle but that is not a realistic Bristol trait really.

How can you say this and then a couple of posts later bring up teams like Man U and Leeds as examples of things we're missing? Unbelievable. Man U fans hate their club with a burning passion, and Leeds and absolutely militant and unaccepting of anything even slightly substandard.

Ridiculous. At least get what you think straight.

[REDOXO]

45 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

I always had the impression he was like dealing with a Volcano that could erupt at any moment.

Things are more relaxed and convivial now whilst still having that drive.

'Trying' to get behind Manning sums my thoughts up, should be not be just 'trying' really, he has proved his worth, get behind the City 

He really hasn’t proved anything! 
 

As Robbored said most are trying to get behind him.
 

Mr Manning has got so much better with interviews in the past a few weeks which has coincided with an unbeaten run. I don’t see those things as completely unrelated issues. 

 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, cotswoldred2 said:

But I honestly thought that was your job, what are you saying.... he has his own statman?

Hahaha…………

 

 

 

 

 

 

………sigh!

[Superjack]

8 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Give it a rest a lot of water under that bridge, Tinnion must be front and centre in everyone's thoughts on here to continually slag off. God how I dislike internet bullies, IF he was in the same room as him you would be fawning all over Tinman wouldn't you?

There was the 3 Lions debacle when it was then to voice any points to the ensemble and not even a titter, the keyboards are so much safer eh?

I'd love to be in the same room as him. 

I can assure you that I wouldn't be 'fawning all over him'.

Quite the opposite.

 

[Superjack]

8 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Sick of all the snidey posts tbh, just like a bunch of old 'wimmin' sticking in the boot when patently there is no justification at all, it says OTIB on the tin and yet some /most seem to delight in undermining this club and what it is obviously striding for. Is it a Bristol malaise that has to constantly attack individuals? The very people who have the best interests for Bristol City, I know football fans are fickle by nature but this forum currently is demonstrating a dislike for the club and most certainly the people who are employed by the club.

Dare anyone actually call out these posts they are quickly dealt with by a follow up of :laugh:'s or face palms....or even memes demonstrating to me they have lost the argument and resort to basic trolling.

This forum must be food and drink to the other lot, FFS show a bit of support.

Christ. 

The irony.

[Superjack]

8 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

But the issue is that you don’t debate. You’ve brought up a few times “The Truth” and when asked to expand have said “It’s something you deny” as opposed to giving any kind of coherent argument. You get the memes and facepalms not because others have lost - but because you can’t, or won’t, give coherent points.

In respect of being sick of snidey posts, I’d argue you’re equally as guilty - across multiple threads in the last 48 hours you’ve referred to “Nige Groupies” and brought him up unprompted on at least one thread. You’ve then just gone on a bizarre rant at @GrahamC when a valid point has been made about the providence of signing Medube (where Tinnion was very vocal on Twitter as to how good the signing was, so the player not playing is very relevant criticism).

Supporting a team isn’t assuming Brian Tinnion is infallible- in fact, evidence in senior roles is very much the contrary.

I’d argue that supporting a team is very much not just blindly shouting how awesome everything is - in fact, we often mock the other lot because of their lack of ability to critique, so it’s actually the opposite of your final sentence. You blindly not questioning and “FFS showing a bit of support” is actually the meat and drink to other fans.

If you want to avoid the facepalms, debate. Or keep shouting at clouds and think something’s happening that isn’t.

And for everyone else I apologise if this makes the Medube thread “hot” - we’re not signing him (we hope!)

(Aside on DM - I saw a theory earlier that we weren’t playing him so we didn’t alert teams to him. Utter nonsense. We’ve agreed a fee. If we want him he’s our player. He’s not playing because he was pony when he did play and because the coaching staff have seen him for 3 months and concluded he’s not good enough).

[W-S-M Seagull]

9 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

FFS show a bit of support.

The major flaw in your post is that you fail to recognise that people post about their concerns of how the club is run and that by its very nature is supporting the club, as people want the best for the club. 

Is Gary Neville not a proper Man Utd fan cos he constantly criticises how the club is run? 

[RedRoss]

4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

The major flaw in your post is that you fail to recognise that people post about their concerns of how the club is run and that by its very nature is supporting the club, as people want the best for the club. 

Is Gary Neville not a proper Man Utd fan cos he constantly criticises how the club is run? 

Noticed you've found your log in details..

[The Humble Realist]

How has a player who has played less than 90 minutes for us got a 9 page post 

Edited April 24 by The Humble Realist

[Silvio Dante]

2 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said:

How has a player who has played less than 90 minutes for us got a 9 page post 

Because essentially the thread isn’t about him specifically but more around the due diligence process followed in the signing, whether we’re damaging his career, the possible reasons he’s got a season ticket for the bench but doesn’t touch the pitch and then a bizarre detour into a poster feeling a touch precious about facepalms.

If it was 9 pages on the performance against QPR I agree it would be very bizarre!

[Bazooka Joe]

We’ve brought in some crap players over the years. Mebude isn’t Diony one.

[SecretSam]

15 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

It seems on here being a loyal City fan is very much ridiculed. 

I would consider myself a loyal City fan, but that doesn't mean I'm not critical of certain aspects of the club's management and leadership, and of some of the decisions made by said management and leadership.

Loyalty should not blind you to reality. Not questioning decisions is not loyalty; it's blind obedience.

[Davefevs]

7 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

I would consider myself a loyal City fan, but that doesn't mean I'm not critical of certain aspects of the club's management and leadership, and of some of the decisions made by said management and leadership.

Loyalty should not blind you to reality. Not questioning decisions is not loyalty; it's blind obedience.

It really isn’t that difficult a concept is it?

 

[Selred]

3 hours ago, Bazooka Joe said:

We’ve brought in some crap players over the years. Mebude isn’t Diony one.

Kent believe how many failed loans we've had

[sephjnr]

5 hours ago, The Humble Realist said:

How has a player who has played less than 90 minutes for us got a 9 page post 

How did Harry Cornick get a song from the get-go and has 4 goals total if you include the Forest shootout?

[W-S-M Seagull]

10 hours ago, RedRoss said:

Noticed you've found your log in details..

Never forgot them unlike most. 

[petehinton]

Manning looked like he couldn’t be less interested in him when asked in the presser. 
 

“has looked decent in training this week, tbf”

basically = “he’s been ******* crap usually” !!

Edited April 24 by petehinton

[RedRoss]

I really don't understand all the conversations re Mebude. He has come in as a loan player with an option to buy. Likely because we thought he would strengthen us where needed but needed to show us he could before spending money on him. We've clearly taken a look and not interested for whatever reason. Seems sensible to me considering we've not bought him. The rest of our recruitment has been pretty bang on this season.

 

[Silvio Dante]

16 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

I really don't understand all the conversations re Mebude. He has come in as a loan player with an option to buy. Likely because we thought he would strengthen us where needed but needed to show us he could before spending money on him. We've clearly taken a look and not interested for whatever reason. Seems sensible to me considering we've not bought him. The rest of our recruitment has been pretty bang on this season.

 

It’s been done to death but the main problem was in how the deal was presented. Tinnion was very bullish over him, and DM was given the whole big signing video. It was positioned as one for the first team that we’d been scouting for a while and a bit of a coup. Had it been positioned as coming over (effectively) for a trial then it’d have been viewed a lot differently.

The club then made things a lot worse by bullshitting over his work permit situation in Belgium - both Liam and Brian very guilty of that.

The bottom line is we’re not signing him (or we certainly shouldn’t) and the way the deal was presented through to how he’s been plonked on the bench with no chance of getting on (assumedly due to a “matchday clause” in the deal) has been bizarre from start to finish.

If anything, it’s a lesson to the club in communication.

As for recruitment I broadly agree if we’re going back to start of season. However, and having liked the Jan window to start with, the three signings who arrived here then can’t be classed as anything but poor on aggregate (Bird and Stokes I maintain good business to get done early but clearly can’t comment on their ability)

Medube - A load of bullshit about work permits, an abysmal 30 minutes, no sign of touching the pitch

Murphy - Seems to have a chronic injury, probably pointing to why we passed in the summer

Twine - Largely indifferent

With the benefit of hindsight it looks pretty poor. The get out here is that we can send two of them back and one is likely to have not been expensive and we can claim on insurance if he’s totally unable to play (hopefully!)

 

[RedRoss]

35 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

It’s been done to death but the main problem was in how the deal was presented. Tinnion was very bullish over him, and DM was given the whole big signing video. It was positioned as one for the first team that we’d been scouting for a while and a bit of a coup. Had it been positioned as coming over (effectively) for a trial then it’d have been viewed a lot differently.

The club then made things a lot worse by bullshitting over his work permit situation in Belgium - both Liam and Brian very guilty of that.

The bottom line is we’re not signing him (or we certainly shouldn’t) and the way the deal was presented through to how he’s been plonked on the bench with no chance of getting on (assumedly due to a “matchday clause” in the deal) has been bizarre from start to finish.

If anything, it’s a lesson to the club in communication.

As for recruitment I broadly agree if we’re going back to start of season. However, and having liked the Jan window to start with, the three signings who arrived here then can’t be classed as anything but poor on aggregate (Bird and Stokes I maintain good business to get done early but clearly can’t comment on their ability)

Medube - A load of bullshit about work permits, an abysmal 30 minutes, no sign of touching the pitch

Murphy - Seems to have a chronic injury, probably pointing to why we passed in the summer

Twine - Largely indifferent

With the benefit of hindsight it looks pretty poor. The get out here is that we can send two of them back and one is likely to have not been expensive and we can claim on insurance if he’s totally unable to play (hopefully!)

 

What were they supposed to say when bringing him in? We are bringing in an average player to see if he's any good. It's likely because ultimately he arrived Tins and his staff were bullish about him because they thought he was good. It hasn't worked we'll send him back.

You can't selectively look at recruitment. It has to be looked at as a whole. I think we've brought in better players in areas we were lacking (not all areas) whilst keeping fees low. Those players are all fairly young too and will improve. Asides from Dickie who's been a revelation and is only coming into his prime. This has been one of our best value transfer windows since Cotts I would argue.

Edited April 25 by RedRoss

[Silvio Dante]

44 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

What were they supposed to say when bringing him in? We are bringing in an average player to see if he's any good. It's likely because ultimately he arrived Tins and his staff were bullish about him because they thought he was good. It hasn't worked we'll send him back.

You can't selectively look at recruitment. It has to be looked at as a whole. I think we've brought in better players in areas we were lacking (not all areas) whilst keeping fees low. Those players are all fairly young too and will improve. Asides from Dickie who's been a revelation and is only coming into his prime. This has been one of our best value transfer windows since Cotts I would argue.

To be fair, you’re using windows as a plural - and I agreed if you go back to the summer the recruitment was good. There was a thread a few weeks ago on hits/misses/jury out and at that point for me the jury was out on McCrorie, Roberts and to an extent TGH. Jury in on the second of those now, and I agree, a good summer window.

But if you take window in the singular as in January then it can’t be viewed as good at present. A lot will depend on how good Bird and Stokes are but for various reasons the three arrivals haven’t worked out. I’m not sure that’s in any way a controversial take.

As in what they’re supposed to say, there would have been absolutely nothing wrong in saying “It hasn’t worked out for him in Belgium but we’re going to take a look”. They chose to fabricate a story about work permits. And to be clear, lying in football happens (it happened yesterday re saying we haven’t had discussions re OOC, it happens when we say someone isn’t fit). This wasn’t one of those. It was a totally fabricated story to cover they got it wrong, and it was easily disproven. The lying then continued with Murphy’s mystical pre season.

As we stand, the January window worked out poorly. It happens. But head in the sand over it and accepting whatever bullshit people say is never a good move.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, RedRoss said:

What were they supposed to say when bringing him in? We are bringing in an average player to see if he's any good. It's likely because ultimately he arrived Tins and his staff were bullish about him because they thought he was good. It hasn't worked we'll send him back.

Isn’t that the lesson though?  They went overboard in their comments when signing a young player.

How many of us would’ve minded had they said, “we think he’s a talented boy, but he’s struggled over in Belgium for x reasons, so we are taking a look at him.  If he does well, we’ve agreed a deal with Westerlo, because we want to protect ourselves”.  That type of thing.

But we got a load of spin, and in some cases lies. Spin is ok, lies is unacceptable imho.

It hasn’t worked out, but it’s also cost us a few quid to find out.  I’m generally ok with that, because I doubt it cost us too much (few quid in last sentence).  There is another intangible cost, re it’s possibly cost an academy player some experience of the match day set up.

And it’s possible to view a window / multiple windows overall yet still critique an individual signing.  You’re making out because it’s been generally decent (agree, I’ve been a big advocate of recruitment improvement over 2.5 years) we mustn’t call out individual deals.  And nobody expects it to be successful every deal, but just like we can say how good a signing Dickie was, why shouldn’t we say how bad a signing Mebude was.  OTIB has been fine being critical of individual signings in the past.

[RedRoss]

6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Isn’t that the lesson though?  They went overboard in their comments when signing a young player.

How many of us would’ve minded had they said, “we think he’s a talented boy, but he’s struggled over in Belgium for x reasons, so we are taking a look at him.  If he does well, we’ve agreed a deal with Westerlo, because we want to protect ourselves”.  That type of thing.

But we got a load of spin, and in some cases lies. Spin is ok, lies is unacceptable imho.

It hasn’t worked out, but it’s also cost us a few quid to find out.  I’m generally ok with that, because I doubt it cost us too much (few quid in last sentence).  There is another intangible cost, re it’s possibly cost an academy player some experience of the match day set up.

And it’s possible to view a window / multiple windows overall yet still critique an individual signing.  You’re making out because it’s been generally decent (agree, I’ve been a big advocate of recruitment improvement over 2.5 years) we mustn’t call out individual deals.  And nobody expects it to be successful every deal, but just like we can say how good a signing Dickie was, why shouldn’t we say how bad a signing Mebude was.  OTIB has been fine being critical of individual signings in the past.

Come off it Dave, this is 9 pages of discussion about a loan player that hasn't worked out ultimately. Where is the 9 page topic about the rest of our recruitment this season. Like I said to Silvio, this is likely our best window in a very long time however we constantly focus on negatives like this. It's pretty inconsequential and just seems like a repetitive way of bashing the club.

[Davefevs]

43 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

Come off it Dave, this is 9 pages of discussion about a loan player that hasn't worked out ultimately. Where is the 9 page topic about the rest of our recruitment this season. Like I said to Silvio, this is likely our best window in a very long time however we constantly focus on negatives like this. It's pretty inconsequential and just seems like a repetitive way of bashing the club.

Come off it Ross…How many Dickie POTS threads have their been, how many Jason Knight threads, Haydon Roberts threads?  All crediting recruitment, how great a deal they were financially.

So, no, there isn’t just a focus on the negative, there’s more than plenty of positivity about recruitment, it certainly outweighs one thread on Mebude, and some.  Within these 9 pages there is credit for recruitment.

Edited April 25 by Davefevs

[Sir Geoff]

2 hours ago, RedRoss said:

Come off it Dave, this is 9 pages of discussion about a loan player that hasn't worked out ultimately. Where is the 9 page topic about the rest of our recruitment this season. Like I said to Silvio, this is likely our best window in a very long time however we constantly focus on negatives like this. It's pretty inconsequential and just seems like a repetitive way of bashing the 

How on earth is the business done in January better than what we did last summer.

[RedRoss]

Just now, Sir Geoff said:

How on earth is the business done in January better than what we did last summer.

I was on about both windows.

[petehinton]

Pretty sure he went down the tunnel into the changing room before the game had even finished

[Major Isewater]

1 minute ago, petehinton said:

Pretty sure he went down the tunnel into the changing room before the game had even finished

I can understand his frustration but if you aren’t good enough that’s just tough. 
 

[MarcusX]

Just now, petehinton said:

Pretty sure he went down the tunnel into the changing room before the game had even finished

Not for the first time apparently?

Feel sorry for the lad tbh. Not good enough to play, but for some reason sits on the bench every week. Doesn’t even feature for u21s either.

The lads moved countries for this too.

I don’t know or care for blame necessarily just seems a little unfair on him.

[Lordofthebling]

Am I wrong to find all this hilarious? 

[Northern Red]

17 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Not for the first time apparently?

Feel sorry for the lad tbh. Not good enough to play, but for some reason sits on the bench every week. Doesn’t even feature for u21s either.

The lads moved countries for this too.

I don’t know or care for blame necessarily just seems a little unfair on him.

Yep. If he's not considered up to standard then so be it, these things happen. And he can't control how the club presented his signing.

[bearded_red]

Thanks for the memories x

[Graham76]

41 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Not for the first time apparently?

Feel sorry for the lad tbh. Not good enough to play, but for some reason sits on the bench every week. Doesn’t even feature for u21s either.

The lads moved countries for this too.

I don’t know or care for blame necessarily just seems a little unfair on him.

We don’t know the whole story so can only trust Mannings judgment.  We certainly shouldn’t be sympathetic just because he’s made a few sacrifices to come here on loan.   That being said, I would rather he’s not even put on the bench and it’s given to one of the lads from our own academy. 

[handsofclay]

Apparently he is being saved to take on Stoke entirely on his own. The lack of minutes makes sense in light of this Herculean task that lies ahead.

[Barrs Court Red]

2 minutes ago, Graham76 said:

We don’t know the whole story so can only trust Mannings judgment.  We certainly shouldn’t be sympathetic just because he’s made a few sacrifices to come here on loan.   That being said, I would rather he’s not even put on the bench and it’s given to one of the lads from our own academy. 

He’s robbed a spot sure, but was probably worth the gamble.