Attendances - Well done city fans

[Wanderingred]

With all the home games of the season complete, our average attendance stands at 22,548.

This is our highest average since the 1977-78 season and our third highest since the mid 1950s. Although undoubtably boosted by the impressive away followings we’ve had this season, and not always a true reflection of the number of bums on seats at any given game, I still think this is noteworthy. The football hasn’t been great, and people are struggling with the cost of living so good effort everyone! Hopefully we can continue to grow the fanbase.

[Never to the dark side]

I think football is still adjusting to the effects of Covid,but its this coming season that does concern me.

With five of the Saturday 3pm Championship games being moved for live television coverage

I can see less season tickets and match day ticket sales be purchased.

I still think that the five live planned games will all be kicking off at 12:30pm on saturday

I might find out a little more when I attend the ITV AGM meeting this coming Thursday

[West Hill Red]

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/championship/attendances

[ExiledAjax]

Of which away fans are what? An average of about 1,500? Always hard to find figures for visitor numbers.

Happy for that figure to be corrected but if I can momentarily assume it's true then with 14,500 STs sold it suggests that we've been shifting an average of about 6,500 POTD tickets every game. 

With 99% of those being in the more expensive Dolman and Lansdown stands, that's pretty good for the coffers.

[cidercity1987]

It's a shame our very high attendance figures over the last 8 years or so have coincided with a dilution in the importance of income from ticket sales compared to other revenue sources. Doesn't really give us any competitive edge versus other clubs that it would have done say 20 years ago

[eardun]

1 hour ago, West Hill Red said:

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/championship/attendances

Seems that we’re 11th in every table! 

[Sir Geoff]

6 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

I think football is still adjusting to the effects of Covid,but its this coming season that does concern me.

With five of the Saturday 3pm Championship games being moved for live television coverage

I can see less season tickets and match day ticket sales be purchased.

I still think that the five live planned games will all be kicking off at 12:30pm on saturday

I might find out a little more when I attend the ITV AGM meeting this coming Thursday

I think Davefevs worked out there will only be 13 Saturday 3pm home games next season. That could be reduced further If Cardiff and Swansea are moved.

[ExiledAjax]

30 minutes ago, eardun said:

Seems that we’re 11th in every table! 

Natural position.

[TinMan's left peg]

39 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

It's a shame our very high attendance figures over the last 8 years or so have coincided with a dilution in the importance of income from ticket sales compared to other revenue sources. Doesn't really give us any competitive edge versus other clubs that it would have done say 20 years ago

Although I get the feeling that everyone’s attendances have gone up similarly over the last 20 years?  This season is a bit skewed perhaps by having Sunderland, Leicester and Leeds (and not Luton) but we are 11th.  

[cidercity1987]

3 minutes ago, TinMan's left peg said:

Although I get the feeling that everyone’s attendances have gone up similarly over the last 20 years?  This season is a bit skewed perhaps by having Sunderland, Leicester and Leeds (and not Luton) but we are 11th.  

Yes attendances seem to have gone up across the board in the last year or so

Last season we had the 8th best attendance, next season no worse than 9th I reckon maybe higher if we do anything of note for once.

[Never to the dark side]

Looking at that attendance table

Only three teams apart from ourselves have NOT be in the Prem,Preston Millwall and Plymouth

[cidercity1987]

Just now, Never to the dark side said:

Looking at that attendance table

Only three teams apart from ourselves have NOT be in the Prem,Preston Millwall and Plymouth

All those 'big clubs' (I.e Blackburn) we have a way bigger fanbase than 

[ExiledAjax]

55 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

It's a shame our very high attendance figures over the last 8 years or so have coincided with a dilution in the importance of income from ticket sales compared to other revenue sources. Doesn't really give us any competitive edge versus other clubs that it would have done say 20 years ago

Absolutely top point. And the issue is that the clubs have absolutely no issue with this continual shift in the importance of ticket revenue to broadcast revenue.

Most recently this has come up in relation to the FA Cup replay scrapping. An Arsenal official said to me"...my understanding was that any financial impact [of scrapping replays] would be minimal, and most likely offset by higher distributions from broadcast rights..." I've had this echoed from other clubs, EFL included.

It's an attitude that pervades the game right now, and in the long run it's going to negatively impact stadium facilities, ticket price matrices, and other services offered to local, club-in-the-blood fans.

[Barrs Court Red]

An interesting snapshot over 10 years.  I couldn’t find one for 20.

I’m gently surprised the rise in attendance post covid has survived the “cost of living crisis” as well as it has. 

[Barrs Court Red]

20 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Absolutely top point. And the issue is that the clubs have absolutely no issue with this continual shift in the importance of ticket revenue to broadcast revenue.

Most recently this has come up in relation to the FA Cup replay scrapping. An Arsenal official said to me"...my understanding was that any financial impact [of scrapping replays] would be minimal, and most likely offset by higher distributions from broadcast rights..." I've had this echoed from other clubs, EFL included.

It's an attitude that pervades the game right now, and in the long run it's going to negatively impact stadium facilities, ticket price matrices, and other services offered to local, club-in-the-blood fans.

That’s nothing new though, in terms of thinking.  
 

Id argue a look at the stadiums in Italy gives a look at where things end up with your final point. 

[ExiledAjax]

3 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

That’s nothing new though, in terms of thinking.  
 

Id argue a look at the stadiums in Italy gives a look at where things end up with your final point. 

It's not, and taking broadcast revenue isn't awful. 

I actually think the answer lies in asking a question about how any revenue - ticket or broadcast - is spent rather than earned. Does each club just put it all into the pockets of 25 or so young men, or does it get invested in facilities, used to subsidise ticket prices etc.

I expect the answer from clubs would be "yes, it already does all of that", but maybe they need to say that a bit louder if so.

[Ciderhead433]

54 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

I think Davefevs worked out there will only be 13 Saturday 3pm home games next season. That could be reduced further If Cardiff and Swansea are moved.

Why I'm not getting a season ticket, midweek games are a struggle, because of dialysis. I shall choose my games.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

I think Davefevs worked out there will only be 13 Saturday 3pm home games next season. That could be reduced further If Cardiff and Swansea are moved.

Yep…although it’s likely to be 9 or 10 Sat 3pm home games.  The only caveat to the table below is that @phantom posted something yesterday about embargo dates, so we might be one home game better off than the table below.

[The Original OTIB]

1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

Natural position.

[Mad Cyril]

8 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

I still think that the five live planned games will all be kicking off at 12:30pm on saturday

I might find out a little more when I attend the ITV AGM meeting this coming Thursday

Bit weird of ITV to move 5 fixtures to the same slot when you can only broadcast 1 at a time??

[Bernard Lerring]

9 hours ago, Wanderingred said:

 Hopefully we can continue to grow the fanbase.

Regarding growing the fanbase, I thought the club did really well yesterday with all the extra bits for the kids.

Certainly made an impression on mine, she's already been complaining that there's no football over summer 

[cidered abroad]

8 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

I think football is still adjusting to the effects of Covid,but its this coming season that does concern me.

With five of the Saturday 3pm Championship games being moved for live television coverage

I can see less season tickets and match day ticket sales be purchased.

I still think that the five live planned games will all be kicking off at 12:30pm on saturday

I might find out a little more when I attend the ITV AGM meeting this coming Thursday

You and plenty of others appear to think that almost everyone has able to watch games on Sky TV.

Well, I've never, not ever will, contribute to the thing called Sky TV owned but the very obnoxious Aussie.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 hours ago, TinMan's left peg said:

Although I get the feeling that everyone’s attendances have gone up similarly over the last 20 years?  This season is a bit skewed perhaps by having Sunderland, Leicester and Leeds (and not Luton) but we are 11th.  

Plus Southampton. Ipswich on the crest of a wave will be rather high.

[City Rocker]

43 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

If only we could go one louder! 

[The Original OTIB]

6 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

If only we could go one louder! 

Indeed.

[Chairman Mao]

I remember starting to watch city after moving to Bristol in 2006. The ground was outdated. The fans seemed to be mostly 40+. It was quite stale. Fast forward to now and we seem to be in a much healthier position. The only big miss is that apparently the corporate facilities at the ground aren't enough, and we are missing out on revenue because of it. I know otib won't like it but to bring in the cash we need more of the prawn sandwich brigade in the Lansdown.

Edited April 28 by Chairman Mao

[eardun]

43 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

I remember starting to watch city after moving to Bristol in 2006. The ground was outdated. The fans seemed to be mostly 40+. It was quite stale. Fast forward to now and we seem to be in a much healthier position. The only big miss is that apparently the corporate facilities at the ground aren't enough, and we are missing out on revenue because of it. I know otib won't like it but to bring in the cash we need more of the prawn sandwich brigade in the Lansdown.

Do you mean the boxes? Probably about the right amount given the size of the ground I would think. Of course the issue we’ll have if we ever get to the PL will be that a capacity of 26.5k won’t be enough to meet demand - suspect we’ll have waiting lists for season tickets etc (another reason to keep me renewing). 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Without a doubt if we reach the PL the demand is, should be there to fill it and more.

One note, of we ever get there as it stands the Away allocation rule is 3k, or 10% of capacity- whatever is lower so there's that.

I'd hope, if possible if we get up we can open at least some of the Atyeo to Home fans and or freshly push back on the 4.2k to 3,414 reduction by stealth to assist with this.

Edited April 28 by Mr Popodopolous

[chinapig]

1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

You and plenty of others appear to think that almost everyone has able to watch games on Sky TV.

Well, I've never, not ever will, contribute to the thing called Sky TV owned but the very obnoxious Aussie.

The Sky Group was sold to Comcast some years ago. The Dirty Digger is no longer involved.

[Oh Louie louie]

At a guess, I'd reckon our average gate in the 98 99 season at this level roughly the same as 2013, maybe 12000,

[elhombrecito]

2 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

You and plenty of others appear to think that almost everyone has able to watch games on Sky TV.

Well, I've never, not ever will, contribute to the thing called Sky TV owned but the very obnoxious Aussie.

Then you'll be delighted to hear that he no longer owns them.

[TammyAB]

3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Yep…although it’s likely to be 9 or 10 Sat 3pm home games.  The only caveat to the table below is that @phantom posted something yesterday about embargo dates, so we might be one home game better off than the table below.

If likely only 9/10 home games at Sat 3pm, will all the 13/14 televised games definitely be at Sat 12:30pm?

[Barrs Court Red]

18 minutes ago, TammyAB said:

If likely only 9/10 home games at Sat 3pm, will all the 13/14 televised games definitely be at Sat 12:30pm?

No, they’re between Friday and Monday - there’s also different time slots on the Saturday. 

[Davefevs]

23 minutes ago, TammyAB said:

If likely only 9/10 home games at Sat 3pm, will all the 13/14 televised games definitely be at Sat 12:30pm?

4 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

No, they’re between Friday and Monday - there’s also different time slots on the Saturday. 

Yep, we’ve no idea yet. @Never to the dark side reckons they will be 12:30, but nothing has been said.

[TammyAB]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, we’ve no idea yet. @Never to the dark side reckons they will be 12:30, but nothing has been said.

 

10 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

No, they’re between Friday and Monday - there’s also different time slots on the Saturday. 

Ffs wonder how many people who just shelled out for a season ticket know about this?!

[Barrs Court Red]

22 minutes ago, TammyAB said:

 

Ffs wonder how many people who just shelled out for a season ticket know about this?!

I thought it was more than a little naughty that there was no mention of it in the season ticket media- which I would imagine is true for all the EFL clubs. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

I reckon we are one of the more informed fanbases about the potential for disruption. Read a few forums from time to time..Birmingham fans are one of the least, they seem to have conflated the new T.V. deal with a doubling of fhe TV money as a whole and it going in the spending pot, whereas if they were to read the finer details they would see that Solidarity Payments make up a large chunk so it is £2-2.5m, £3m at a push 

Edited April 28 by Mr Popodopolous

[Sleepy1968]

12 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

I think football is still adjusting to the effects of Covid,but its this coming season that does concern me.

With five of the Saturday 3pm Championship games being moved for live television coverage

I can see less season tickets and match day ticket sales be purchased.

I still think that the five live planned games will all be kicking off at 12:30pm on saturday

I might find out a little more when I attend the ITV AGM meeting this coming Thursday

I hope you're lobbying for getting our highlights pushed up the roster next season. We seemed to be on last again last night.

[Sleepy1968]

12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I reckon we are one of the more informed fanbases about the potential for disruption. Read a few forums from time to time..Birmingham fans are one of the least, they seem to have conflated the new T.V. deal with a doubling of fhe TV money as a whole and it going in the spending pot, whereas if they were to read the finer details they would see that Solidarity Payments make up a large chunk so it is £2-2.5m, £3m at a push 

Pops, I'm not sure them not knowing anything is a problem: how many League One games are going to get screened.?

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Pops, I'm not sure them not knowing anything is a problem: how many League One games are going to get screened.?

Between Lg1 / Lg2 - 5 out of 24 each weekend round.

[Superjack]

17 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

I hope you're lobbying for getting our highlights pushed up the roster next season. We seemed to be on last again last night.

Really grates with me, that. 

Although to be fair, yesterday's fixture was probably worthy of being last.

[Mr Popodopolous]

24 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Pops, I'm not sure them not knowing anything is a problem: how many League One games are going to get screened.?

 

17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Between Lg1 / Lg2 - 5 out of 24 each weekend round.

Here's hoping, if Norwich get even a point, you'd need a 4 goal swing in order to save Birmingham and it's unlikely Plymouth capitulate at Home albeit Hull can be high scoring (high conceding too)!

[cidered abroad]

4 hours ago, chinapig said:

The Sky Group was sold to Comcast some years ago. The Dirty Digger is no longer involved.

Another American company taking our cash out of the country!

only one consolation is that they were founded in Tupelo Mississipp, the birthplace of Elvis Presley.

[Never to the dark side]

I noticed we were last on for the Rotherham game,and we normally are at the ass end of the highlights,and only a few seconds long

Regarding the kick off times of the five championship games

Sky have stated that the full live will be announced up to January 2025

So if all five games are put on at 12:30pm up against BT/TNT prem game

There will be no need to adjust fixtures

If the five games are spread over fri/sat/sun/mon OTHER fixtures MIGHT have to be re-arranged

 

The reason I stated about the ITV/AGM on thursday is the fact that in my opinion ITV would only have friday and saturday games to show highlights

OR they will have a second highlights show on Monday/Tuesday.

So I will ask the question about HIGHLIGHTS coverage to see what the situation might become.

On the first weekend of the season 2024/25 we will be away due the balloon fiesta taking place

I think on that weekend only, it WILL be fri/sat/sun/mon as there are no prem games

 

[Lanterne Rouge]

17 minutes ago, Never to the dark side said:

I noticed we were last on for the Rotherham game,and we normally are at the ass end of the highlights,and only a few seconds long

Regarding the kick off times of the five championship games

Sky have stated that the full live will be announced up to January 2025

So if all five games are put on at 12:30pm up against BT/TNT prem game

There will be no need to adjust fixtures

If the five games are spread over fri/sat/sun/mon OTHER fixtures MIGHT have to be re-arranged

 

The reason I stated about the ITV/AGM on thursday is the fact that in my opinion ITV would only have friday and saturday games to show highlights

OR they will have a second highlights show on Monday/Tuesday.

So I will ask the question about HIGHLIGHTS coverage to see what the situation might become.

On the first weekend of the season 2024/25 we will be away due the balloon fiesta taking place

I think on that weekend only, it WILL be fri/sat/sun/mon as there are no prem games

 

We might not be away on the first weekend if they pick us for a Monday night game.

[E.G.Red]

4 hours ago, Barrs Court Red said:

I thought it was more than a little naughty that there was no mention of it in the season ticket media- which I would imagine is true for all the EFL clubs. 

What do you expect them to say? The timings aren't published yet so it would only be a guesstimate. As previously stated our fanbase appear to be more informed than others on the subject and although we can only speculate on what might happen I suspect the  vast majority of our fans who were going to renew, did so knowing and in spite of the potential scheduling issues.

[Never to the dark side]

all clubs are sent a request list before the new fixture lists are compiled.

Bristol City always request not to be at home on balloon fiesta WEEKEND

[Barrs Court Red]

37 minutes ago, E.G.Red said:

What do you expect them to say? The timings aren't published yet so it would only be a guesstimate. As previously stated our fanbase appear to be more informed than others on the subject and although we can only speculate on what might happen I suspect the  vast majority of our fans who were going to renew, did so knowing and in spite of the potential scheduling issues.

I’d expect nothing. 
 

As for “our fan based is more informed…” is the sort of thing I’d expect a sag to come out with. 
 

 

Edited April 28 by Barrs Court Red

[Arsene's Wanger]

For a bang average season, it's a very good attendance figure. (Sorry to re-rail the thread).

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 hours ago, Barrs Court Red said:

I’d expect nothing. 
 

As for “our fan based is more informed…” is the sort of thing I’d expect a sag to come out with. 
 

 

In all honesty, I've scanned some other forums and maybe the Two BCFCs are big contrast points but I don't see much debate about the potential impact

Forums can only be a snapshot of course, granted.

Edited April 28 by Mr Popodopolous

[Ciderhead433]

On 28/04/2024 at 11:08, Chairman Mao said:

I remember starting to watch city after moving to Bristol in 2006. The ground was outdated. The fans seemed to be mostly 40+. It was quite stale. Fast forward to now and we seem to be in a much healthier position. The only big miss is that apparently the corporate facilities at the ground aren't enough, and we are missing out on revenue because of it. I know otib won't like it but to bring in the cash we need more of the prawn sandwich brigade in the Lansdown.

Get to the Premiership, we won't be able to get a seat, because of them.