BCFCGav Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 I think we’ve lacked true depth for some time and Matty would have been perfect midfield cover with his know-how and calmness. Sad to see him leave. I thought Marlee Francois was viewed as quite a prospect, guess it’s not quite happened, all the best to all the released youngsters. Down but not out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 It’s imperative we keep Williams now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Wonder who ultimately made the call on James? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Can anyone shed any light as to why on the website story they’ve split it between under and over 24s released or under contract? As the EFL squads are based on U21s and it’s not an academy age group it just seems a bit weird - or is it to make it look like it’s a particularly young squad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Matty James, the best CM we’ve ever had at this level. A hill I’m willing to die on. 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Just now, myol'man said: Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. I don't think he even has a bag. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 minute ago, petehinton said: Matty James, the best CM we’ve ever had at this level. A hill I’m willing to die on. That’s a big shout Pete, I’d probably say Marv edges it for me but absolutely class I’d agree. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterRedthanBlue Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 We will miss Matty that one was a bit of a surprise but we need to keep Williams now. Everyone else I'm not surprised by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 minute ago, myol'man said: Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. Absolutely, James and King were going as soon as Nige was sacked and they’ve been entirely professional about it. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 4 minutes ago, myol'man said: Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. The Geordie Bielsa will have it more than covered, don’t you worry. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Just now, Jobi said: It isn’t shocking - this is the nature of football, we still have a number of experienced pros and we may recruit some too. It’s a gamble, even if it was predictable. The games where we lost the plot last season were predominantly ones James wasn’t available. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 5 minutes ago, myol'man said: Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. I am really surprised about Harry. I have followed him as I report on the 21's as well. In less than a year, his Bristol City dream has collapsed. Travelled with the 1st team on last year's preseason tour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 7 minutes ago, myol'man said: Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. Manning and Tinnion clearly want to leave the Pearson era in the past. Severing all ties. Matty James is a big loss and will go on to play a starring role for another Championship club next season. Twine gone too? Tinnion had better pull some big signings out of the bag this summer. My view is moreso Tinnion and Jon Lansdown, probably Tinnion than Manning per se but a combination would make sense unless those two pull rank somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 We have no idea how far apart James and the club are on what he wants/we're willing to offer. Maybe he wanted a longer contract than we were willing to commit to, seems fairly likely to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 7 minutes ago, One Team said: That’s a big shout Pete, I’d probably say Marv edges it for me but absolutely class I’d agree. Or Paul Hartley. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 All traces of NP wiped. Bird will be a decent addition but goodness me we need to go big this summer. Over to you BT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Even with Bird signing and if Williams stays, I still think we’re light in midfield. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Fete Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 I’m guessing he’s lining up a middle 2 midfield variation of Knight, Bird, TGH and Williams (or replacement) with Naismith and McCrorie as fall back options. I’d have kept James for another 12 months but he could have a 3 year deal lined up closer to home which he couldn’t/wouldn’t match. Can see him playing for someone like Derby next season, you’d think 1st year back in Championship he’s exactly what they’d want/need Weimann I’m less concerned about, struggled to have the impact as before, went to WBA and not played much either so again being based in the Midlands you’d think Derby would be ideal Well we can only judge this on the signings now especially as it seems Williams is spinning a few offers around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 9 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Wonder who ultimately made the call on James? Mrs James perhaps? Was it her or King's wife who said they were looking forward to going back home at the end of the season? Think it might have been both actually on their social media months ago. I didn't expect either of them to stay after reading those comments, and the fact they were Pearson's players after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: I am really surprised about Harry. I have followed him as I report on the 21's as well. In less than a year, his Bristol City dream has collapsed. Travelled with the 1st team on last year's preseason tour... One to file under the “thought he made it after moving up to the first team” column. Was poor at Gloucester on loan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 10 minutes ago, One Team said: That’s a big shout Pete, I’d probably say Marv edges it for me but absolutely class I’d agree. I absolutely loved Marv. But he was incredible for a season (if that?). What a season it was mind, but for consistency and longevity it has to be Matty for me. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: My view is moreso Tinnion and Jon Lansdown, probably Tinnion than Manning per se but a combination would make sense unless those two pull rank somewhat. To be fair to Liam he has made respectful comments on the two “Pearson” lads that are leaving. The bloke who didn’t want King picked at all (yet Manning utilised him when he was available ) has kept quiet. I suppose you draw your own conclusions from that. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 15 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: I think we’ve lacked true depth for some time and Matty would have been perfect midfield cover with his know-how and calmness. Sad to see him leave. I thought Marlee Francois was viewed as quite a prospect, guess it’s not quite happened, all the best to all the released youngsters. Down but not out. Unfortunately Francois had a long term injuries and kept getting injured. A shame but at this point the likes of Nelson, Morrison, Yeboah and Thomas are all ahead of him naturally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 4 minutes ago, Tomo said: I am really surprised about Harry. I have followed him as I report on the 21's as well. In less than a year, his Bristol City dream has collapsed. Travelled with the 1st team on last year's preseason tour... He will do a Vince Harper....drop down to National League South and an EFL club will soon come in for him imo. I hope so anyway. I rate him as did Mr Pearson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 minute ago, petehinton said: I absolutely loved Marv. But he was incredible for a season (if that?). What a season it was mind, but for consistency and longevity it has to be Matty for me. Brownhill? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Or Paul Hartley. Zico Hartley for me. 100%. James was top 3 but Id go: Hartley Elliott James 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Whilst Matty has had a great season and would be happy to see given a new year contract, I read on here numerous times about we do not have the players to play the way Manning wants, so not sure we should keep an ageing player just because he has been good in a certain system, has played at a higher level and has experience. Lots complain about ambition and being satisfied with mid table, yet want to keep a player that was part of a team that was not good enough to push on and is on the wrong side of 30. Hopefully with Bird already in the door and some other replacements perhaps maybe we can move forward. With regards King would love him to stay or come back one day, but do not think his leaving is anything to do with clearing out Pearsons players as already proven to work and support LM, but Manning would need to either increase his coaching staff or sack someone and its what he feels works for him, not that Kingy is a city supporter and great guy. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 minute ago, Tomo said: He will do a Vince Harper....drop down to National League South and an EFL club will soon come in for him imo. I hope so anyway. I rate him as did Mr Pearson. Joseph James was getting minutes ahead of him though and Leeson apparently struggled at Gloucester. Wish him well but one thing we do always seem to get right is our judgement on academy players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 No real surprises though I thought James could get another year, if he would sign a one year contract. He’s probably better off leaving as he might get a 2 year contract at another club, probably in League 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 3 minutes ago, petehinton said: One to file under the “thought he made it after moving up to the first team” column. Was poor at Gloucester on loan. Good point. Playing with lesser players though has hindered his dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 13 minutes ago, petehinton said: Matty James, the best CM we’ve ever had at this level. A hill I’m willing to die on. I’d argue for Paul Hartley who was top class for one season, but agree James was a class above most others I’ve seen. Can understand the decision given James turns 33 in the summer but if we don’t retain Williams midfield looks light in terms of experience next season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: To be fair to Liam he has made respectful comments on the two “Pearson” lads that are leaving. The bloke who didn’t want King picked at all (yet Manning utilised him when he was available ) has kept quiet. I suppose you draw your own conclusions from that. Yeah, Manning complementary, when played King as you say at CB in extremis iirc. I've a fair idea who made this call- no concrete proof of course but a fair idea. James I'd have (wages permitting) offered a 2 year deal, perhaps in Year 2 he would have morphed into the elder statesman role that King had while other midfielders started to approach the start of their peak years. This feels a mistake by the hierarchy..a certain Technikul Directur. Jon Lansdown alienates the fans with his mere presence, Tinnion with his lack of professionalism and proclamations, decisions- what a team!! Edited May 11 by Mr Popodopolous 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internetjef Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Alex Scott for best midfielder surely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 minute ago, Jobi said: Bit suprised people haven’t mentioned Neil Kilkenny He was our best at pointing a lot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Just now, pongo88 said: No real surprises though I thought James could get another year, if he would sign a one year contract. He’s probably better off leaving as he might get a 2 year contract at another club, probably in League 1 Might’ve been offered a one year deal tbf, but whatever deal he takes now will likely be his last of any significant value and it’s very likely he can still get 3 years somewhere else. Will definitely miss him and I feel we need to bring in experience in midfield, Williams is our oldest at 27 now and next closest is 23. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 3 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: Whilst Matty has had a great season and would be happy to see given a new year contract, I read on here numerous times about we do not have the players to play the way Manning wants, so not sure we should keep an ageing player just because he has been good in a certain system, has played at a higher level and has experience. Lots complain about ambition and being satisfied with mid table, yet want to keep a player that was part of a team that was not good enough to push on and is on the wrong side of 30. Hopefully with Bird already in the door and some other replacements perhaps maybe we can move forward. With regards King would love him to stay or come back one day, but do not think his leaving is anything to do with clearing out Pearsons players as already proven to work and support LM, but Manning would need to either increase his coaching staff or sack someone and its what he feels works for him, not that Kingy is a city supporter and great guy. Absolutely bang on, a good player and will no doubt get another Championship move. But as much as he brings a lot of calmness and control, if we opted for him over Williams then we lose the bite and energy that Williams brings. I don’t think we’re in a position to keep both either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexBcfc Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Do really like James but sensible move releasing I think. Big earner at club, a lot of people saying should of stayed on for another year, but it’s not as easy as that Jamo probably looking at a 2 year contract somewhere for that security - can’t blame him or the club on this one! Can see him fitting in at Derby to replace Bird they usually like giving older pros deals and he’s defo got another season in the champ Good Luck to him and the rest of the released players. Let's hope we’re fighting for Williams to stay We defo do need some experience in the changing room, even if it is an older head number 2 for max who’s been there and done it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Shame about Jamo, leadership on and off the pitch seriously gone now with King & James. Undervalued thing. Obviously both close to Nige too, don’t think that played a big part but hopefully King can get a coaching role. They seemed like they both wanted to stay in some way. Probably Dickie most natural leader now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 6 minutes ago, Jobi said: Bit suprised people haven’t mentioned Neil Kilkenny Thanks for POINTING that out. COYR 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 14 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Even with Bird signing and if Williams stays, I still think we’re light in midfield. Depends how good Murphy is. We have 5 including him for 2 positions. I would assume if we don’t sign another, that Murphy is 5th choice and will be getting good amount of minutes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) James is a 50/50 decision for me . Just for the way the recruitment has gone with making TGH permanent, Murphy, Bird, trying to resign Williams I felt that there was maybe not a spot for James on big money. If he'd settle for a King type of role then there was definitely a place for him here but who knows what he wants. I am shit scared for the season ahead without him though, I still have nightmares about every Championship team running straight through our centre midfield after Cisse left. And ultimately this is another big decision and a risk that is gonna be on Tinnions head Edited May 11 by cidercity1987 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 On the plus side no more James alongside Williams in midfield. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 30 minutes ago, petehinton said: Matty James, the best CM we’ve ever had at this level. A hill I’m willing to die on. Completely agree. Absolutely staggering how long it took for some people to realise how important he was. Edit- For some reason I’d momentarily forgotten the absolute king that was big Marv. Totally different skillsets obviously, but I’d have him over James tbf. Edited May 11 by bearded_red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 James will go to Preston imo, they are after some experience in this window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said: James will go to Preston imo, they are after some experience in this window Back home to Manchester for him too, makes sense. Especially to another mid table team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Shame we couldn’t find an off field role for King. The guys a winner and that’s the sort of mentality you’d want to run off on young players. James leaving will be a loss, but it’s not overly surprising. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 3 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said: Back home to Manchester for him too, makes sense. Especially to another mid table team! Their gain will be our loss IMO.. Feels another strategically poor call, penny wise pound foolish too. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Sad to see James go. I think the squad will really miss his experience and calm head on the pitch. Hopefully Max Bird will hit the ground running and we’ll sign the creativity in the middle that we so desperately need. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) Typical of Bristol City Analysis. Seems to think King, James, Weimann on high wages. How does that figure given that one resigned and two joined as we were entering austerity. Plus as non Parachute Championship clubs in particular were emerging blinking into the light post Covid. Edited May 11 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 32 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Or Paul Hartley. Yes the best I’m my lifetime deffo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Murphy is a 6 or an 8 if you want to pigeon holes position so he will play back up to bird, TGH, knight and Williams. Not to mention stokes who looks ready to go as far as reports suggest and he would also look to command a midfield spot in the 10. Then we have the hopefully returning be around who I am desperate to see get a full season with us. I think we’re well stocked for options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 No surprises in the retailed list. It’s much as we expected. Hopefully Williams will sign a new contract but if he moves on it leaves the engine room a little underpowered. That said Manning has Bird arriving with Championship experience plus Murphy who looks as if he can make the step up. TGH and Knight both capable in midfield. Manning will have a full preseason to assimilate the new guys in to his methods and come August we’ll be ready for a long season. One slight worry tho is the lack of leaders on the pitch. Obviously Dickie is one but him apart the cupboard is pretty bare. Vyner is an experienced CB but not that vocal, nor is Atkinson. Wells also is vastly experienced but playing up top can’t effect the deeper lying players that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Red Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 47 minutes ago, petehinton said: Matty James, the best CM we’ve ever had at this level. A hill I’m willing to die on. He could well be, but also a shout out to Gary Shelton 1990/91 (finished 9th) and Marvin Elliot 2007/8 (finished 4th) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRobsBiggestFan Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 I Would be very surprised if no one wanted James to stay. More like we couldn’t come to an agreement with him. Absolute shame but players come and go, would like to think Bird & TGH combined were his replacements but someone with experience will be key in the summer. Over to you Brian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 6 minutes ago, BLRed said: Murphy is a 6 or an 8 if you want to pigeon holes position so he will play back up to bird, TGH, knight and Williams. Not to mention stokes who looks ready to go as far as reports suggest and he would also look to command a midfield spot in the 10. Then we have the hopefully returning be around who I am desperate to see get a full season with us. I think we’re well stocked for options Stokes is not a central player is he so it's apples and oranges to a degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cov 77 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 58 minutes ago, 2015 said: Releasing James - big mistake. Been our most underrated player since NP came in. Sad about that Maybe but necessarily our decision , if offered one last decent contract elsewhere fair do’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Regarding the younger players I believe I heard BT publicly state that the "crop of 18's" we have coming through are more talented. If that wasn't a nail for the current 21's I don't know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Typical of Bristol City Analysis. Seems to think King, James, Weimann on high wages. How does that figure given that one resigned and two joined as we were entering austerity. Plus as non Parachute Championship clubs in particular were emerging blinking into the light post Covid. Thats Jon Dolman, once of this parish. Believe he left because he didn’t really like people disagreeing with him. He’s probably correct about James being towards the top end of wage earners - remember even though post Covid it was a free agent 3 year deal. Money saved in fee could be used in package. For the strengthening positions he’s probably also right (although GK will be a low cost back up) and I’d envisage the wages freed up by James/King/Weimann will be far below what we’ll need to pay to get the quality we need in those midfield and striker positions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted May 11 Author Share Posted May 11 20 minutes ago, Bodiesaffer said: Yes the best I’m my lifetime deffo I never understood this Hartley thing. What was so good about him? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cov 77 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 10 minutes ago, Robbored said: No surprises in the retailed list. It’s much as we expected. Hopefully Williams will sign a new contract but if he moves on it leaves the engine room a little underpowered. That said Manning has Bird arriving with Championship experience plus Murphy who looks as if he can make the step up. TGH and Knight both capable in midfield. Manning will have a full preseason to assimilate the new guys in to his methods and come August we’ll be ready for a long season. One slight worry tho is the lack of leaders on the pitch. Obviously Dickie is one but him apart the cupboard is pretty bare. Vyner is an experienced CB but not that vocal, nor is Atkinson. Wells also is vastly experienced but playing up top can’t effect the deeper lying players that much. Tbh if all the experts on here have noticed we may lack experience, just maybe for all the shit they are given on here , Manning etc may realise it as well , let’s give it a little while to see what happens before instant judgement that everybody is an idiot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 I would imagine that they are confident Williams will sign if they are releasing James or is that just wishful thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 James will have plenty of options such is his pedigree. I suspect if we offered anything it would've been only a 1 year deal, which is almost politely saying "there's the door" A 2 year deal & a closer to home move North West would suit him. Can see him landing up at a Preston or Blackpool. As much as most fans I would've dearly wanted him to stay (we play better and are more secure when he does) we have to trust the recruitment team who have been pretty cute up to now. They see exactly what we see and more. Good luck for the future Matty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 27 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Their gain will be our loss IMO.. Feels another strategically poor call, penny wise pound foolish too. I liked James but we were never keeping him and Williams. We will miss his calmness and composure but you could also say we would miss Williams’ bite and energy. I don’t think it’s half as bad as you and other people have made out personally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 37 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Their gain will be our loss IMO.. Feels another strategically poor call, penny wise pound foolish too. I think it may be more nuanced than that. He's got family up North & its not impossible he wanted to go back. It was oft mooted that he cut a pretty lonely figure as the Portishead Costa on a regular basis. I'd like to have kept him, but I'd rather we retain Williams (not that it's necessarily an either/or).] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Anyone know the score with Francois? Always looked pretty good whenever I saw him, or just not up to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 17 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Thats Jon Dolman, once of this parish. Believe he left because he didn’t really like people disagreeing with him. He’s probably correct about James being towards the top end of wage earners - remember even though post Covid it was a free agent 3 year deal. Money saved in fee could be used in package. For the strengthening positions he’s probably also right (although GK will be a low cost back up) and I’d envisage the wages freed up by James/King/Weimann will be far below what we’ll need to pay to get the quality we need in those midfield and striker positions. Thought it was him. Hard to say really isn't it because often such compliance plans can have an Upper Wage limit, the Wage bill on the football side fell by £6-7m season on season. Without NP, King Simpson, Rennie we may not have got him as affordably as is likely or maybe not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said: I liked James but we were never keeping him and Williams. We will miss his calmness and composure but you could also say we would miss Williams’ bite and energy. I don’t think it’s half as bad as you and other people have made out personally Why were we never keeping him and Williams, I suspect the wage bill has slashed, it would be perfectly affordable, Williams amortisation also off the books. I reckon our total consolidated wage bill was £27-28m season just gone, £29m tops. The amortisation was also down as well as a 13th month of other expenses off the books. The Football side was probably £21-22m all-in? Edited May 11 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Jobi said: Bit suprised people haven’t mentioned Neil Kilkenny Good point . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshorts Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: King, James and Weimann is a lot of experience, know-how and good habits to lose in one hit. King we knew about playing wise, albeit coaching wise efforts could have been made. Weimann obviously we know. James big one for me- still think he has plenty to offer, both ability and the experience and know-how I heard a rumour at the last game of the season that he was chatting to Derby about playing for them next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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