Silvio Dante Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Anyone fancy it? Although I thought the first one was Krause’s job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 In a normal world I’m sure @Davefevs would be an ideal candidate. But I’d imagine it pays minimum wage so would rule out anyone who’s not just left school. 6 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Anyone fancy it? Although I thought the first one was Krause’s job! Job for DaveFev?………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 5 minutes ago, Harry said: In a normal world I’m sure @Davefevs would be an ideal candidate. But I’d imagine it pays minimum wage so would rule out anyone who’s not just left school. True - I noted salary was “competitive” which in recruiter speak normally means “not very much”. It’ll be probably in the 20ks tops which is madness - if you could get someone in the building on £50-£60k who was experienced and good, it’s a drop in the football finances ocean and has massive potential upside benefit for us. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 4 minutes ago, Harry said: In a normal world I’m sure @Davefevs would be an ideal candidate. But I’d imagine it pays minimum wage so would rule out anyone who’s not just left school. It is strange that the money is so low in a role that could have considerable impact on results. Yet the contrast to players/managers wages is huge. I guess because it's a fashionable job so they can pay less. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 5 minutes ago, Harry said: In a normal world I’m sure @Davefevs would be an ideal candidate. But I’d imagine it pays minimum wage so would rule out anyone who’s not just left school. If only these jobs were available when I’d just finished studying Maths and Stats….30+years ago. Then again, computers weren’t even that big a thing back then! The salary will probably be in line with 30+ years ago too! Great opportunities though for the right person(s). 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, RedRoss said: It is strange that the money is so low in a role that could have considerable impact on results. Yet the contrast to players/managers wages is huge. I guess because it's a fashionable job so they can pay less. The club/organisation seem penny wise pound foolish in some ways. The commercial side I imagine they could push a lot more e.g. this could be another example. Build up the data and analysis albeit if it makes Cash Losses as most Championship clubs persistently do, that us up to SL really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Harry said: In a normal world I’m sure @Davefevs would be an ideal candidate. But I’d imagine it pays minimum wage so would rule out anyone who’s not just left school. I'd not worry. I suspect whoever gets it will just read Dave's analysis online and then present it as their own work... Edited May 9 by LondonBristolian 2 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 They ask for quite a lot but then doesn't everyone these days! This isn't the Lead Analyst but the one below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 These sort of jobs always refer to data. Without wishing to be rude to people who like this sort of thing, data analysis is easy. What is difficult is converting it into information. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 5 minutes ago, RedRoss said: It is strange that the money is so low in a role that could have considerable impact on results. Yet the contrast to players/managers wages is huge. I guess because it's a fashionable job so they can pay less. As a theoretical case here, if you had a top notch analyst it pays for itself. Say you pay them the £60k and they’re top of their game. How much more likely is it that they will not recommend Mebude? If you dodge just one of those bullets, on likely loan and wage costs, you’ve paid for yourself for 2-3 years! We’re all surmising (probably correctly) it’s low salary but totally with you here. And, as lots of clubs take the penny pinching approach it would be somewhere where a bit more money spent could get a really strong team in. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 19 minutes ago, Harry said: In a normal world I’m sure @Davefevs would be an ideal candidate. But I’d imagine it pays minimum wage so would rule out anyone who’s not just left school. I'm in !! But what exactly do I have to do ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, pongo88 said: These sort of jobs always refer to data. Without wishing to be rude to people who like this sort of thing, data analysis is easy. What is difficult is converting it into information. Can of worms, but you’re right. The Achilles heel of some data analysts is that they can tell you what the data says but aren’t great at working out what it means in real life - and to bang the drum again, particularly when they’re starting out, which is why paying more and getting someone who has a DA/Real World blend of skills is a no brainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: They ask for quite a lot but then doesn't everyone these days! This isn't the Lead Analyst but the one below. Got none of that but it's never stopped me before 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said: True - I noted salary was “competitive” which in recruiter speak normally means “not very much”. It’ll be probably in the 20ks tops which is madness - if you could get someone in the building on £50-£60k who was experienced and good, it’s a drop in the football finances ocean and has massive potential upside benefit for us. Yeah, often amazes me what they see as “competitive”. Someone on the inside said these are a £25-30k (ish) jobs. When I look at the role specs and ditto at other clubs, I think they are looking for a multi-skilled person, but most of the things the person would do are more “junior” type activities with a smaller percentage “specialist”. And that’s not to diss those junior activities either. And from chatting to a ex-City analyst, he said that most of the stuff he did is trainable on the job, so why ask for the skills and qualifications they do. I guess to filter out applicants. But I think most clubs run small “analysis” departments and they are trying to cover too broad a range in a single job. I was chatting to a Data Scientist who was working short-term at a local club back in March, and he was talking serious data stuff (way over my head)…that’s where the money is, basically bringing in consultant, modelling skills, etc. It is probably the bigger clubs who can have a department big enough to have jobs specific for the task in hand…and therefore pay appropriately. Its fascinating how the analysis focus has grown though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, BigTone said: I'm in !! But what exactly do I have to do ? Just follow DaveFevs on Twitter and nick all his ideas 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, mozo said: Just follow DaveFevs on Twitter and nick all his ideas And if you’re head scout, just follow Roy DeAlien and that jobs sorted as well. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 10 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: They ask for quite a lot but then doesn't everyone these days! This isn't the Lead Analyst but the one below. Exactly the point I made above. They ask a helluva lot for what circa 90% of the role will be filming, coding, saving to a database (admin tasks) and presenting to seniors. Liam Manning does that whilst sat on an exercise bike!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yeah, often amazes me what they see as “competitive”. Someone on the inside said these are a £25-30k (ish) jobs. When I look at the role specs and ditto at other clubs, I think they are looking for a multi-skilled person, but most of the things the person would do are more “junior” type activities with a smaller percentage “specialist”. And that’s not to diss those junior activities either. And from chatting to a ex-City analyst, he said that most of the stuff he did is trainable on the job, so why ask for the skills and qualifications they do. I guess to filter out applicants. But I think most clubs run small “analysis” departments and they are trying to cover too broad a range in a single job. I was chatting to a Data Scientist who was working short-term at a local club back in March, and he was talking serious data stuff (way over my head)…that’s where the money is, basically bringing in consultant, modelling skills, etc. It is probably the bigger clubs who can have a department big enough to have jobs specific for the task in hand…and therefore pay appropriately. Its fascinating how the analysis focus has grown though. “Competitive”, my arse. My team (of circa 100) pays around £27k as a starting salary to the most junior grade with this year’s pay award (due last month, but not settled with the unions yet) to come on top. This amount isn’t competitive at all, it just strikes me as another attempt to do something important on the cheap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 21 minutes ago, RedRoss said: It is strange that the money is so low in a role that could have considerable impact on results. Yet the contrast to players/managers wages is huge. I guess because it's a fashionable job so they can pay less. Not just fashionable, maybe fifteen years ago I looked at the financial controller role for BCFC and it would have been a big pay cut. Football clubs, other than the huge ones, tend to woefully underpay their back office staff because the owners don't have much interest in the back office. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Just now, GrahamC said: “Competitive”, my arse. My team (of circa 100) pays around £27k as a starting salary to the most junior grade with this year’s pay award (due last month, but not settled with the unions yet) to come on top. This amount isn’t competitive at all, it just strikes me as another attempt to do something important on the cheap. Not forgetting they’ll probably bring in a couple of interns too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamdon Mart Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yeah, often amazes me what they see as “competitive”. Someone on the inside said these are a £25-30k (ish) jobs. When I look at the role specs and ditto at other clubs, I think they are looking for a multi-skilled person, but most of the things the person would do are more “junior” type activities with a smaller percentage “specialist”. And that’s not to diss those junior activities either. And from chatting to a ex-City analyst, he said that most of the stuff he did is trainable on the job, so why ask for the skills and qualifications they do. I guess to filter out applicants. But I think most clubs run small “analysis” departments and they are trying to cover too broad a range in a single job. I was chatting to a Data Scientist who was working short-term at a local club back in March, and he was talking serious data stuff (way over my head)…that’s where the money is, basically bringing in consultant, modelling skills, etc. It is probably the bigger clubs who can have a department big enough to have jobs specific for the task in hand…and therefore pay appropriately. Its fascinating how the analysis focus has grown though. Think you hit the nail on the head there. A little like scouting, you'd imagine every man and his dog fancies themselves as a scout but can they really do it at a professional club when stuff gets real? Asking for too much on your CV will put a lot of people off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 31 minutes ago, Harry said: In a normal world I’m sure @Davefevs would be an ideal candidate. But I’d imagine it pays minimum wage so would rule out anyone who’s not just left school. I’m back doing a Computer Science bachelors at the big age of 29, Data Science is the field I’m looking to work in, this would be a dream job, but for the wages football pays, I’d never work in it! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TammyAB Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 30 minutes ago, Robbored said: Job for DaveFev?………. I don't think the technical director will be employing someone he's just blocked on twitter 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, Hamdon Mart said: Think you hit the nail on the head there. A little like scouting, you'd imagine every man and his dog fancies themselves as a scout but can they really do it at a professional club when stuff gets real? Asking for too much on your CV will put a lot of people off. As I’m sure you’re aware, Yeovil have also recently been given a bit of grief on social media for wanting a full time unpaid medical intern. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, TammyAB said: I don't think the technical director will be employing someone he's just blocked on twitter From the sounds of it, that significantly narrows down his options. He's got to employ someone! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 5 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Not just fashionable, maybe fifteen years ago I looked at the financial controller role for BCFC and it would have been a big pay cut. Football clubs, other than the huge ones, tend to woefully underpay their back office staff because the owners don't have much interest in the back office. Totally agree. I have a team with around 15 data scientists on it I interact with daily. Our level 2 (so a few years of experience) salary starts at around 45k, and you can be easily approaching 6 figures for a lead position without too much sweat. And guess what? We have incredible people - salary isn't the only factor but it does make a difference. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said: From the sounds of it, that significantly narrows down his options. He's got to employ someone! He could do it himself! If that’s what he wants to do, in view of his career as a player he deserves the opportunity to have a go at the head analysts role without criticism (I think that’s how the logic goes!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: From the sounds of it, that significantly narrows down his options. He's got to employ someone! So Matt Hewlett or Dean Gerken then? ”Know the club”.. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 8 minutes ago, Unan said: I’m back doing a Computer Science bachelors at the big age of 29, Data Science is the field I’m looking to work in, this would be a dream job, but for the wages football pays, I’d never work in it! Where are you doing it out of interest? I did an OU degree in comp sci at a similar age! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 10 minutes ago, Unan said: I’m back doing a Computer Science bachelors at the big age of 29, Data Science is the field I’m looking to work in, this would be a dream job, but for the wages [this] football [club] pays, I’d never work in it! You sound like Tommy Conway 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamdon Mart Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 7 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: As I’m sure you’re aware, Yeovil have also recently been given a bit of grief on social media for wanting a full time unpaid medical intern. Yes, I saw that. Really poor IMO; in theory, there's nothing wrong with the right sort of internship, ie short hours, learning on the job etc but for someone to work FT as an intern is barmy, especially when they asked (from memory) for someone that had experience. No one "with experience" is going to work for nowt five days a week + matchdays. Not even I'm that stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, IAmNick said: Where are you doing it out of interest? I did an OU degree in comp sci at a similar age! Queen Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 8 minutes ago, Hamdon Mart said: Think you hit the nail on the head there. A little like scouting, you'd imagine every man and his dog fancies themselves as a scout but can they really do it at a professional club when stuff gets real? Asking for too much on your CV will put a lot of people off. Exactly 7 minutes ago, Unan said: I’m back doing a Computer Science bachelors at the big age of 29, Data Science is the field I’m looking to work in, this would be a dream job, but for the wages football pays, I’d never work in it! Good on you mate. Way too clever that stuff for me. Good luck with it too. I think you make a pertinent point - Data Science versus Football Analyst. They are poles apart in skillset, activities and expectations...and therefore salary should align accordingly. Yet, they seem to want Data Scientists for Football Analyst roles. What City appear to need is people with a good football understanding who can film a match / training session and then pick out the key bits. Recruitment analyst is different again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 6 minutes ago, mozo said: You sound like Tommy Conway Post of the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 31 minutes ago, BigTone said: Got none of that but it's never stopped me before Want to stand out? Take a box of 5 1/4 " floppies with you to your interview. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Sleepy1968 said: Want to stand out? Take a box of 5 1/4 " floppies with you to your interview. You bragging! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Sleepy1968 said: Want to stand out? Take a box of 5 1/4 " floppies with you to your interview. My floppy will remain private thank you very much !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Just now, BigTone said: My floppy will remain private thank you very much !! I heard it’s a condensed version! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Just now, Davefevs said: I heard it’s a condensed version! Very much so these days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 I wonder how the interview questions will go? Maybe along the lines of.... Q. Did you pass your 11 plus? A. Yes I did. Q. Alright big head, bet you cheated! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) I honestly don’t know why anyone would work in one of those roles in football. Or indeed any ops/media role in football, full time. The pay is absolutely horrendous, the hours are very unsociable, and you’re near enough working every day of the week. If you whittled down the terrible pay into hours actually worked, I wouldn’t bet against it being below living wage. Edited May 9 by petehinton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 49 minutes ago, BigTone said: I'm in !! But what exactly do I have to do ? Ignore the stats and write reports endorsing BT’s views 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 6 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: Ignore the stats and write reports endorsing BT’s views My own views ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 46 minutes ago, Unan said: Queen Mary Nice, and good luck - I haven't regretted doing mine for a second. If you ever want any advice or to chat about being a graduate 10 years older than everyone else just pop me a dm some time in the future 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, TammyAB said: I don't think the technical director will be employing someone he's just blocked on twitter I thought Brian blocked everyone on twitter then unblocked them, then blocked them, then unblocked them to tell everyone about himself and then blocked them again. Are we all blocked or unblocked right now or is @Davefevs singularly blocked? Sorry confused! I have twitted about a dozen times in my life so not down wiv da kids so much except when they want money or Christmas presents of course! Edited May 9 by REDOXO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, Hamdon Mart said: Think you hit the nail on the head there. A little like scouting, you'd imagine every man and his dog fancies themselves as a scout but can they really do it at a professional club when stuff gets real? Asking for too much on your CV will put a lot of people off. I was in the Scouts !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 32 minutes ago, 42nite said: I wonder how the interview questions will go? Maybe along the lines of.... Q. Did you pass your 11 plus? A. Yes I did. Q. Alright big head, bet you cheated! A. Yes I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 32 minutes ago, petehinton said: I honestly don’t know why anyone would work in one of those roles in football. Or indeed any ops/media role in football, full time. The pay is absolutely horrendous, the hours are very unsociable, and you’re near enough working every day of the week. If you whittled down the terrible pay into hours actually worked, I wouldn’t bet against it being below living wage. Don’t forget… Breakfast & lunch on all training days via a personal contribution scheme Discount in the Bristol Sport store 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Don’t forget… Breakfast & lunch on all training days via a personal contribution scheme Discount in the Bristol Sport store Hahahah wtf is that?!?! You’ll get breakfast and lunch….if you pay for it. Isn’t that just called society?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Don’t forget… Breakfast & lunch on all training days via a personal contribution scheme Discount in the Bristol Sport store What's on the menu ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, BigTone said: What's on the menu ? If it’s city, definitely not humble pie! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Just now, Silvio Dante said: If it’s city, definitely not humble pie! I'm guessing you meant crumble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 10 minutes ago, BigTone said: What's on the menu ? All I know is that when my son Joe went he stuffed himself silly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Just now, Davefevs said: All I know is that when my son Joe went he stuffed himself silly! Sounds good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Billy Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Exactly the point I made above. They ask a helluva lot for what circa 90% of the role will be filming, coding, saving to a database (admin tasks) and presenting to seniors. Liam Manning does that whilst sat on an exercise bike!!! You could earn the same stacking shelves in a supermarket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 52 minutes ago, petehinton said: I honestly don’t know why anyone would work in one of those roles in football. Or indeed any ops/media role in football, full time. The pay is absolutely horrendous, the hours are very unsociable, and you’re near enough working every day of the week. If you whittled down the terrible pay into hours actually worked, I wouldn’t bet against it being below living wage. The industry as a whole just doesn't properly pay "office" staff at any level. All wages go on coaches and players. The sport as a whole relies on the perceived glamour of the game...and once you see behind the curtain even that is an absolute sham as you say (the hours etc). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep the Faith Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 5 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: The industry as a whole just doesn't properly pay "office" staff at any level. All wages go on coaches and players. The sport as a whole relies on the perceived glamour of the game...and once you see behind the curtain even that is an absolute sham as you say (the hours etc). Agreed I saw one of their finance roles being advertised a while ago and for what they were after they were offering 25-30% below the market rate. Seems strange given the low number of roles required and the cash flying around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen hump Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, Hamdon Mart said: Think you hit the nail on the head there. A little like scouting, you'd imagine every man and his dog fancies themselves as a scout but can they really do it at a professional club when stuff gets real? Asking for too much on your CV will put a lot of people off. I known Man Utd’s head scout for the south west and south wales ‘ he’s on minimum wage plus expenses’ sounds glamorous but the hrs are shit and most of the lads he’s recommended utd haven’t even bothered to have a look at . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: If only these jobs were available when I’d just finished studying Maths and Stats….30+years ago. Then again, computers weren’t even that big a thing back then! The salary will probably be in line with 30+ years ago too! Great opportunities though for the right person(s). I just gave my son my first programming book, from 39 years ago. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 37 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: The industry as a whole just doesn't properly pay "office" staff at any level. All wages go on coaches and players. The sport as a whole relies on the perceived glamour of the game...and once you see behind the curtain even that is an absolute sham as you say (the hours etc). I was under the impression that most (non-head) coaches got paid pretty poorly. Is there truth to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 26 minutes ago, Glen hump said: I known Man Utd’s head scout for the south west and south wales ‘ he’s on minimum wage plus expenses’ sounds glamorous but the hrs are shit and most of the lads he’s recommended utd haven’t even bothered to have a look at . Yep, I’m pretty sure I know who you’re on about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Just now, Sleepy1968 said: I was under the impression that most (non-head) coaches got paid pretty poorly. Is there truth to this? It does drop off pretty quickly, but the "name" assistants and those that move with a manager and come as a package are on good money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen hump Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yep, I’m pretty sure I know who you’re on about. Yeah you would’ he was at wolves for a while’ used to play for Taunton’ Bridgwater’ pretty sure he was at minehead when they were chucking money around years ago . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, BigTone said: Got none of that but it's never stopped me before Ideal man Tone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 53 minutes ago, Glen hump said: I known Man Utd’s head scout for the south west and south wales ‘ he’s on minimum wage plus expenses’ sounds glamorous but the hrs are shit and most of the lads he’s recommended utd haven’t even bothered to have a look at . I read a great book about scouts a while back , they are not treated or paid well at all. Some teams rely on love for the Club or the game and barely pay expenses and as you say the hours are terrible . Some got extra if someone they scouted made it big , but for the most part it was a pittance . A friend of my inlaws was a part time Scout, scouted us a few times, worked for Chelsea and other London Clubs , there were times I'm pretty sure he didn't even get expenses and ended up packing it in. You have to really love the game and the work , because no one does it for the glamour or pay that's for sure. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 I've insured a fair no. Of football clubs for their death in service benefit. For non playing staff, once you get below Assistant manager, the salary levels were unbelievably poor. The head groundsman for what was a big Championship team was on an absolute pittance. Maybe we should crowd fund Fevs so he can do it but still afford to eat! 1 minute ago, 1960maaan said: I read a great book about scouts a while back The nowhere men?? A great read. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen hump Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, 1960maaan said: I read a great book about scouts a while back , they are not treated or paid well at all. Some teams rely on love for the Club or the game and barely pay expenses and as you say the hours are terrible . Some got extra if someone they scouted made it big , but for the most part it was a pittance . A friend of my inlaws was a part time Scout, scouted us a few times, worked for Chelsea and other London Clubs , there were times I'm pretty sure he didn't even get expenses and ended up packing it in. You have to really love the game and the work , because no one does it for the glamour or pay that's for sure. Yep and the paper work involved now is mind boggling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 25 minutes ago, TDarwall said: I've insured a fair no. Of football clubs for their death in service benefit. For non playing staff, once you get below Assistant manager, the salary levels were unbelievably poor. The head groundsman for what was a big Championship team was on an absolute pittance. Likewise, I've seen a fair number of football club employment contracts over the past couple of years, EFL and PL. I've also done due diligence on a club for a buyer. The fact that the buyer didn't even want to check the contracts of anyone other than first team players and the head coach tells you everything. Then again I've also seen a few manager/assistant contracts that have seemed incredibly generous in hindsight given how those particular tenures went! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, TDarwall said: Maybe we should crowd fund Fevs so he can do it but still afford to eat! Announce Cauley Woodrow! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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