Manning to Ipswich (not a rumour just my complete speculation )

[The Humble Realist]

I know it seems unlikely based on results but I wonder if anyone else thinks if McKenna departs to Brighton whether ipswich might come in for Manning. 

I know it appears very unlikely based on form and reputation but it would be a very similar appointment in terms of profile and way of working. 

A good left field bet ? Or is my post season imagination running away with me !

[chinapig]

Reports are that they want Rob Edwards. Only Tinnion thinks Manning is the new McKenna.

Edited May 21 by chinapig

[Aaron-Bcfc]

Absolutely no chance.

Graham Potter probably, though I think McKenna would be mad to leave in the first place.

[Silvio Dante]

If they hadn’t gone up, yes, he would have undoubtedly have been on the list. He started his coaching career there, his Dons side played very well against them and he has probably more links to Ipswich than Norwich who have been linked. Hes one of McKennas mates and even if he isn’t a similar coach, prima facie he fits what they want.

They’ve likely outgrown him currently but he would have been on their list 3-6 months ago without a shadow of a doubt.

[Southend Blue]

Manning was with us for a time before he entered proper management, featured in the youth team set-up many years ago and later did some coaching with our kids but that seems as far as this idea could run.     If or when McKenna leaves (and there seems increasing rumour and speculation he will indeed), I don't know quite where it will be but Brighton appears to be one of the forerunners right now, Manning just doesn't seem to fit the profile of someone we will or could replace McKenna with.

Yes there's links back to us as mentioned and some would argue it's a feasible candidate on that strength alone but in so many words it's an idea or objective that doesn't really fit in or seem to work.      What with Ashton and the link between club names, we've done business before, but this occasion, I just don't think it's an area we need to explore or someone or something that could feasibly be done. 

 Was going to suggest he doesn't possess enough proper managerial experience or really had the chance or time to prove himself, and we'd be taking a big gamble or risk by bringing him in, until of course that's how it was with McKenna and look how that turned out to be.      Manning could never replicate that success or come near it if we brought him back over.     All said it's an interesting idea and something that carries a certain amount of logic if only for the reasons already stated but it's just not going to work for him or us if ever he were to replace McKenna.

Best guess he stays in place over there in Bristol and gives it another go in the championship next season.    We'll look for someone else, if the need arises.   (There's every chance our manager may indeed choose to stay on)  

[SydneyCity]

If I was an Ipswich fan, I would love the thought of Manning becoming manager.

The inverse proportion of our luck would pretty much confirm them as Premier League Champions 2024-25.

[westonred]

Ipswich are now in the Premier league. Manning is still learning the ropes in the Championship I wont say he's out of his depth as we have played some good football at times,  however he has no plan B his tactics and substitutions are questionable sometimes so there is no way he is Premiership ready.

Every talks about the end of season unbeaten run (before the deckchairs came out at Stoke) but we couldnt score in open play against this seasons whipping boys Rotherham only a dive in the box from Tommy and a great free kick from Twine settled it. Hudderfield should have had all 3 points bar a late late penalty to send us home with a lucky point We were poor against Sunderland (should have lost) and Plymouth we were bang average. The only convincing win was against Blackburn and a very good point at Norwich.

So if Ipswich want to take a gamble they are welcome to him but clearly not ready thats just my opinion

[stortfordred]

2 hours ago, westonred said:

Ipswich are now in the Premier league. Manning is still learning the ropes in the Championship I wont say he's out of his depth as we have played some good football at times,  however he has no plan B his tactics and substitutions are questionable sometimes so there is no way he is Premiership ready.

Every talks about the end of season unbeaten run (before the deckchairs came out at Stoke) but we couldnt score in open play against this seasons whipping boys Rotherham only a dive in the box from Tommy and a great free kick from Twine settled it. Hudderfield should have had all 3 points bar a late late penalty to send us home with a lucky point We were poor against Sunderland (should have lost) and Plymouth we were bang average. The only convincing win was against Blackburn and a very good point at Norwich.

So if Ipswich want to take a gamble they are welcome to him but clearly not ready thats just my opinion

Look carefully-that's not how I see it. We don't want to lose him so I understand your post but let's face reality here. Manning has created a free flowing, possession based team that has finished the season in fine style. His experience with the City group means that his near success in the Championship will definitely translate into a top ten finish in the PL. He is ready...in fact, he was born ready. Ipswich for a couple of seasons and then he'll be ready to replace Pep.

[Numero Uno]

13 hours ago, The Humble Realist said:

I know it seems unlikely based on results but I wonder if anyone else thinks if McKenna departs to Brighton whether ipswich might come in for Manning. 

I know it appears very unlikely based on form and reputation but it would be a very similar appointment in terms of profile and way of working. 

A good left field bet ? Or is my post season imagination running away with me !

Another way of looking at it is that if you were an Ipswich fan and Manning was announced what would your reaction be? That is your question answered.

[Silvio Dante]

2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Another way of looking at it is that if you were an Ipswich fan and Manning was announced what would your reaction be? That is your question answered.

 

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, stortfordred said:

Look carefully-that's not how I see it. We don't want to lose him so I understand your post but let's face reality here. Manning has created a free flowing, possession based team that has finished the season in fine style. His experience with the City group means that his near success in the Championship will definitely translate into a top ten finish in the PL. He is ready...in fact, he was born ready. Ipswich for a couple of seasons and then he'll be ready to replace Pep.

The only rabble that would be fooled by that are currently trying to install a big screen tv on the top of their stand.

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

25 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

 

And at Ashton Gate...

[Natchfever]

14 hours ago, The Humble Realist said:

I know it seems unlikely based on results but I wonder if anyone else thinks if McKenna departs to Brighton whether ipswich might come in for Manning. 

I know it appears very unlikely based on form and reputation but it would be a very similar appointment in terms of profile and way of working. 

A good left field bet ? Or is my post season imagination running away with me !

Return for Alf Ramsey is more likely.

[Bazooka Joe]

6 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:

And at Ashton Gate...

Ooh la la ….
 

Lansdown.

 

Caughr again with his pants down.

[Bazooka Joe]

1 hour ago, stortfordred said:

Manning has created a free flowing, possession based team that has finished the season in fine style. 

Free flowing ?

If what we’ve had is “free flowing”, l must have a different understanding of that compared to you.

But you’re entitled to your opinion.

[Sir Geoff]

2 hours ago, stortfordred said:

Look carefully-that's not how I see it. We don't want to lose him so I understand your post but let's face reality here. Manning has created a free flowing, possession based team that has finished the season in fine style. His experience with the City group means that his near success in the Championship will definitely translate into a top ten finish in the PL. He is ready...in fact, he was born ready. Ipswich for a couple of seasons and then he'll be ready to replace Pep.

Finished the season in fine style my ar*e. We played 2 relegated teams and one fighting relegation and failed to score a single goal from open play in 270 minutes.

I failed to see anything free flowing at home to Huddersfield. It was another drab boring 99 minutes.

[Davefevs]

21 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Finished the season in fine style my ar*e. We played 2 relegated teams and one fighting relegation and failed to score a single goal from open play in 270 minutes.

I failed to see anything free flowing at home to Huddersfield. It was another drab boring 99 minutes.

I assumed the post had some tongue in cheek?

[The Original OTIB]

15 hours ago, The Humble Realist said:

I know it seems unlikely based on results but I wonder if anyone else thinks if McKenna departs to Brighton whether ipswich might come in for Manning. 

I know it appears very unlikely based on form and reputation but it would be a very similar appointment in terms of profile and way of working. 

A good left field bet ? Or is my post season imagination running away with me !

Next England manager odds ? ..... 

[Natchfever]

51 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I assumed the post had some tongue in cheek?

Jeremy Wade reeling in levels clearly

[mozo]

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

 

So hateful 

[Silvio Dante]

6 minutes ago, mozo said:

So hateful 

You misconstrue - that’s a tractor boy toasting the appointment….

[Dr Balls]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I assumed the post had some tongue in cheek?

The tongue must have been so far into the cheek that it would need to be surgically separated!

[CliftonCliff]

Not sure if this is already old news, but BBC Sport now running a story to the effect that McKenna has as good as said he's out of there. Chelsea, Brighton and - inevitably - Man U are apparently among the likely/possible destinations, though the latter seems to be speculative, whereas the former two are believed to be showing genuine interest.

Not that this makes any great difference to the tone of the debate here. Manning to Ipswich still about as probable as me making the England squad, but it does seem increasingly likely there will be a managerial vacancy in Suffolk...

[Numero Uno]

5 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

Another way of looking at it is that if you were an Ipswich fan and Manning was announced what would your reaction be? That is your question answered.

Why the facepalm @Rocking Red Cyril? Take off your BCFC blinkers for a second and explain why Ipswich fans would be happy if Liam Manning replaced McKenna.

What is so wrong in thinking a manager who has only managed in the Championship for 6 months and has a middling record (that’s fact) would not be a popular choice at a newly promoted Premier League club?

Its not a criticism of Liam, just an obvious observation. What has he done to date to earn an EPL gig? If he turns us into a top 6 outfit playing good football he will attract plenty of attention, until then………..

[xerox6060]

Think it would be a great shame and tarnish Mckennas legacy a tad to leave Ipswich right now, much greater challenge to try to keep them up.

As for LM that would be a ridiculous choice for both Ipswich and him at this stage.

I expect someone like Rob Edwards would be on their more logical short list if necessary.

[stortfordred]

5 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Finished the season in fine style my ar*e. We played 2 relegated teams and one fighting relegation and failed to score a single goal from open play in 270 minutes.

I failed to see anything free flowing at home to Huddersfield. It was another drab boring 99 minutes.

Shhh. Don’t tell Ipswich or Norwich. Your secret is safe with me. 
 

 

(I was looking for a whoosh but didn’t expect so many.)

[Negan]

We’re more likely to lose manning to the team Ipswich decide to take their manager from  I’d imagine West Brom’s manager will be high on their list. If so they won’t want manning, not sure who would tbh. Maybe Oxford when they are bottom of the league in the new year after we’ve sacked LM in November.

[bpexile]

12 hours ago, stortfordred said:

Look carefully-that's not how I see it. We don't want to lose him so I understand your post but let's face reality here. Manning has created a free flowing, possession based team that has finished the season in fine style. His experience with the City group means that his near success in the Championship will definitely translate into a top ten finish in the PL. He is ready...in fact, he was born ready. Ipswich for a couple of seasons and then he'll be ready to replace Pep.

Please check you have the correct medication 

[Rocky]

 

[Davefevs]

Lots of interesting takes on this, and as per usual when it’s our player or manager we have too much bias to be objective.

Ive no idea whether he’ll go or not.

But someone yesterday was saying to chill out becayse he’ll sign the big contract, with a massive release clause and then he’ll stay.  But of course he’s gotta sign the contract first.  Why would he do that if that stopped him taking a potential dream job.

[Fammyfan]

On 21/05/2024 at 22:16, Aaron-Bcfc said:

Absolutely no chance.

Graham Potter probably, though I think McKenna would be mad to leave in the first place.

I’d be stunned if he stayed with two or three top jobs going this summer.

Following a season where all 3 newly promoted clubs have went straight back down, it’s becoming increasing more difficult to get to the Premier League and stay there. He could quite easily come straight back down and not be considered for jobs of that level again.

With Brighton, it’s a very well run club and a great opportunity both in the short term and in the long term. For Chelsea and potentially Manchester United, it’ll be hard to succeed but if he gets it right, he’ll be one of the most sought after managers around and with the right negotiation, he’d still get the big salary, irrespective of whether the big clubs stick with him or not.

Edited May 23 by Fammyfan

[Dan11]

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Lots of interesting takes on this, and as per usual when it’s our player or manager we have too much bias to be objective.

Ive no idea whether he’ll go or not.

But someone yesterday was saying to chill out becayse he’ll sign the big contract, with a massive release clause and then he’ll stay.  But of course he’s gotta sign the contract first.  Why would he do that if that stopped him taking a potential dream job.

His agent is doing overtime - trying to whore his client for the biggest pay day and feeding stories to his little black book of journalists. He wants him to get the Chelsea job, a club he's been sucking off the teet of for years.

FWIW, the feeling amongst a few people usually 'in the know' in Ipswich is that McKenna is waiting to see what happens with Man United. If he gets offered that job he will understandably go - that is the one he ultimately wants despite what his agent is pushing. If he doesn't get offered that job, then he signs the huge new contract on the table. This piece (despite being The Sun) is where I am at with it - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28077096/kieran-mckenna-chelsea-man-utd-brighton-comment/

I guess we will see, but we really don't need this rumbling on. 

[Swede]

1 hour ago, Dan11 said:

His agent is doing overtime - trying to whore his client for the biggest pay day and feeding stories to his little black book of journalists. He wants him to get the Chelsea job, a club he's been sucking off the teet of for years.

FWIW, the feeling amongst a few people usually 'in the know' in Ipswich is that McKenna is waiting to see what happens with Man United. If he gets offered that job he will understandably go - that is the one he ultimately wants despite what his agent is pushing. If he doesn't get offered that job, then he signs the huge new contract on the table. This piece (despite being The Sun) is where I am at with it - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28077096/kieran-mckenna-chelsea-man-utd-brighton-comment/

I guess we will see, but we really don't need this rumbling on. 

Which of course it will. All the close season planning will be put on hold in what is a very important time for Ipswich. Just what you don't need.

[mozo]

Obviously, whether or not our own appointment was right or wrong remains to be seen, but there does seem to be a trend towards appointing younger, "modern" head coaches over old hands. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

7 minutes ago, mozo said:

Obviously, whether or not our own appointment was right or wrong remains to be seen, but there does seem to be a trend towards appointing younger, "modern" head coaches over old hands. 

There is.

I can see a reason, they maybe cheaper in some cases and if you get it right you can be sorted for years to come provided they themselves stay on..but it seems one dimensional and flawed to me.

I can think of a few who merit better opportunities than they get and one or two who tick certain boxes...but are they actually that good or do they just look the part?

There is a balance, room for pros and cons but some absolutely get better opportunities than they merit, tick certain boxes.

Edited May 23 by Mr Popodopolous

[mozo]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

There is.

I can see a reason, they maybe cheaper in some cases and if you get it right you can be sorted for years to come provided they themselves stay on..but it seems one dimensional and flawed to me.

I can think of a few who merit better opportunities than they get and one or two who tick certain boxes...but are they actually that good or do they just look the part?

There is a balance, room for pros and cons but some absolutely get better opportunities than they merit, tick certain boxes.

I suppose the other thing is that a manager or head coach is part of a coaching team, sometimes with a DoF driving things forward, so it's possible to have a trendy young coach but still have experience and know-how within the group. Our own set up is arguably lacking in that respect, but we'll see if it's an impediment. 

[Dredd]

Reading some of the Ipswich comments on it is quite funny. Brighton apparently aren't a step up from Ipswich, Chelsea are going to sack him because they said all their managers and United are a club in decline. There's delusion and there's that! The guy has a chance to manage 2 of the biggest clubs in Europe (and Brighton) but apparently he should stay at Ipswich where they are in for a relegation battle in all likelihood after two consecutive promotions. His stock has never been higher and he should move to further his own career. 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

On 22/05/2024 at 17:46, Numero Uno said:

Why the facepalm @Rocking Red Cyril? Take off your BCFC blinkers for a second and explain why Ipswich fans would be happy if Liam Manning replaced McKenna.

What is so wrong in thinking a manager who has only managed in the Championship for 6 months and has a middling record (that’s fact) would not be a popular choice at a newly promoted Premier League club?

Its not a criticism of Liam, just an obvious observation. What has he done to date to earn an EPL gig? If he turns us into a top 6 outfit playing good football he will attract plenty of attention, until then………..

If and when, he turns us into a top six side, then I get the interest.

But surely not until then. Hence the face palm.

And don't get me wrong I hope he does the job we all want. I just not convinced in him yet.

Different opinions I guess 

[Numero Uno]

1 hour ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

If and when, he turns us into a top six side, then I get the interest.

But surely not until then. Hence the face palm.

And don't get me wrong I hope he does the job we all want. I just not convinced in him yet.

Different opinions I guess 

I agree. I think you may have got the wrong inference from my post? If I was an Ipswich fan and Liam was announced, underwhelmed would be a kind way of putting it….

[MarcusX]

On 23/05/2024 at 00:22, Davefevs said:

Lots of interesting takes on this, and as per usual when it’s our player or manager we have too much bias to be objective.

Ive no idea whether he’ll go or not.

But someone yesterday was saying to chill out becayse he’ll sign the big contract, with a massive release clause and then he’ll stay.  But of course he’s gotta sign the contract first.  Why would he do that if that stopped him taking a potential dream job.

What have I missed? What "big contract" is being offered to Manning (or have I misread?) and why?! 

[Numero Uno]

5 hours ago, Dredd said:

Reading some of the Ipswich comments on it is quite funny. Brighton apparently aren't a step up from Ipswich, Chelsea are going to sack him because they said all their managers and United are a club in decline. There's delusion and there's that! The guy has a chance to manage 2 of the biggest clubs in Europe (and Brighton) but apparently he should stay at Ipswich where they are in for a relegation battle in all likelihood after two consecutive promotions. His stock has never been higher and he should move to further his own career. 

It’s amazing how fans don’t appreciate the step up at each level. There was a loon on Slagchat who said that SEVEN of their mob would get in our side after they won a few games at the start of the season. Ipswich are in a relegation battle next season, Leicester might have the clout to do better and whoever wins tomorrow is in a relegation battle too. The step up is massive however much people get fooled by “only lost one game in four v Prem opposition on penalties”.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

2 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

I agree. I think you may have got the wrong inference from my post? If I was an Ipswich fan and Liam was announced, underwhelmed would be a kind way of putting it….

Now those sentiments I would agree with

[frenchred]

11 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Now those sentiments I would agree with

They are the same sentiments as was in his original post!

[Rocking Red Cyril]

3 hours ago, frenchred said:

They are the same sentiments as was in his original post!

Yeah think I got wrong end of the original post to start with. But I got there in the end.

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

On 23/05/2024 at 07:42, Dan11 said:

His agent is doing overtime - trying to whore his client for the biggest pay day and feeding stories to his little black book of journalists. He wants him to get the Chelsea job, a club he's been sucking off the teet of for years.

FWIW, the feeling amongst a few people usually 'in the know' in Ipswich is that McKenna is waiting to see what happens with Man United. If he gets offered that job he will understandably go - that is the one he ultimately wants despite what his agent is pushing. If he doesn't get offered that job, then he signs the huge new contract on the table. This piece (despite being The Sun) is where I am at with it - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28077096/kieran-mckenna-chelsea-man-utd-brighton-comment/

I guess we will see, but we really don't need this rumbling on. 

The Sun are a nonsense 

[LondonBristolian]

I do feel for Ipswich fans with this. Totally get why McKenna would want to take an opportunity at one of the clubs he is linked with but a bit tough on Ipswich to be left playing a waiting game with their manager when they need to build for next season.

In term of McKenna, he's obviously a very good manager but I think there's three potential poisoned chalices to choose from. Several very good managers have failed to make it work at Chelsea and you have to wonder if any manager can succeed there at the moment. The same is true of Man Utd, although they're obviously entering a new era so maybe a new manager could make it work there. Brighton seem to have a great set-up but you have to wonder where De Zerbi found their ceiling and whether any new manager is going to struggle to replicate 2022/23. 

[exAtyeoMax]

 

 

[chinapig]

1 hour ago, exAtyeoMax said:

 

 

With Chelsea reportedly going for Maresca and Man Utd for De Zerbi this is not surprising.

[Loco Rojo]

Too soon for McKenna for the big boys - a bit too much of a risk i think. They'll sack their next batch of new managers by the end of next season though giving time for McKenna to ripen and learn in the PL and then one of them will bring him in if he does well.

[ExiledAjax]

3 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Too soon for McKenna for the big boys - a bit too much of a risk i think. They'll sack their next batch of new managers by the end of next season though giving time for McKenna to ripen and learn in the PL and then one of them will bring him in if he does well.

Will be interesting what Ipswich do if they're on something like 2 points come the first international break.

[Lanterne Rouge]

Can anyone see him going to Leicester if Maresca goes or would that be a sideways step?

[TammyAB]

I don't get why out of McKenna and Maresca you would go with Maresca.

[Glen hump]

4 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Can anyone see him going to Leicester if Maresca goes or would that be a sideways step?

Leicester are in big trouble financially, job for Nige.

[Silvio Dante]

6 minutes ago, TammyAB said:

I don't get why out of McKenna and Maresca you would go with Maresca.

Pep clause.

I’d agree McKenna did more with less than Maresca at the same level last year but there is a desire to ape Man City at present and hiring one of his key coaches will put stars in Todd Boehlys eyes.

[chinapig]

27 minutes ago, Glen hump said:

Leicester are in big trouble financially, job for Nige.

And will likely get an immediate points deduction next season.

[ExiledAjax]

33 minutes ago, Glen hump said:

Leicester are in big trouble financially, job for Nige.

I think Pearson + Top + Rudkin would be a highway to a falling out sometime around...maybe October?

[chinapig]

27 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Pep clause.

I’d agree McKenna did more with less than Maresca at the same level last year but there is a desire to ape Man City at present and hiring one of his key coaches will put stars in Todd Boehlys eyes.

True enough. Though it worked for Arsenal with Arteta it doesn't follow that it will work with Maresco.

Then again we have our very own Man City alumnus so success is guaranteed.

[Glen hump]

7 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

I think Pearson + Top + Rudkin would be a highway to a falling out sometime around...maybe October?

I wasn’t being serious 

[Dan11]

2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

Will be interesting what Ipswich do if they're on something like 2 points come the first international break.

His job is safe regardless of what happens just like Kompany and Edwards this season. He's the best young coach in Europe and it'll be absolutely incredible for us if he commits his future here for the next year. 

[chinapig]

18 minutes ago, Dan11 said:

He's the best young coach in Europe

A big claim.

How about Sebastian Hoeness (42)? Took over Stuttgart when they were bottom of the Bundesliga, saved them from relegation and led them to second (ahead of Bayern) and Champions League qualification this season. Turned down the Bayern job recently.

Ruben Amorim at Sporting Lisbon is 38, same as McKenna I believe. Thiago Motta (41) has just been appointed by Juve having done an amazing job at Bologna.

Xabi Alonso is only 42 as well and I don't need to say what he has done.

Big place, Europe!

[Dan11]

9 minutes ago, chinapig said:

A big claim.

How about Sebastian Hoeness (42)? Took over Stuttgart when they were bottom of the Bundesliga, saved them from relegation and led them to second (ahead of Bayern) and Champions League qualification this season. Turned down the Bayern job recently.

Ruben Amorim at Sporting Lisbon is 38, same as McKenna I believe. Thiago Motta (41) has just been appointed by Juve having done an amazing job at Bologna.

Xabi Alonso is only 42 as well and I don't need to say what he has done.

Big place, Europe!

Depends on your definition of young I guess. I was thinking under 40. Nagelsmann I will give you in terms of achievements but he’s better than anyone else. The next British manager to win the Premier League 

[chinapig]

14 minutes ago, Dan11 said:

Depends on your definition of young I guess. I was thinking under 40. Nagelsmann I will give you in terms of achievements but he’s better than anyone else. The next British manager to win the Premier League 

The likes of Four Four Two, ESPN and so on tend to go for under 45, which makes sense with players tending to retire later these days.

Nobody disputes that McKenna is a very fine coach but let's see how he goes in the Premier League before we get carried away.