Numero Uno Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Just now, ORANGE500 said: Walker and Stones nothing special You said average yet they play at the highest levels of the game, have medals galore and have had top players in their back pockets during games. Plenty of managers at top clubs all over Europe would take them. What do you define as average? If this England team was the sum of its parts they would turn Denmark over every day. Our problems tonight all stemmed from the middle of the park, put someone like Kante in that side and it’s completely different but as we don’t have that player Gareth has got to do a lot better than try a right back in the middle. Daft experiment that thankfully we will have seen the last of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Doesn’t have enough pace around him - He’s played at his best with players like Son/Sane/Musiala - Saka/Foden aren’t particularly quick and it seems Bellingham/Foden/Kane don’t blend well. Terrible performance, ridiculous sub to bring on Gallagher and just baffling Palmer hasn’t got a second of game time. Exactly. What did he think Gallagher would add. I'm mystified. Should have dropped Bellingham in alongside Rice, put Foden at 10 and brought Gordon on the left. Or play with 2 10's instead of 2 8's. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 10 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I think thats the plan. Players had a long season. Didn't play them in the warm up games so they can rest. These group games are the warm up games in Southgates mind. I agree but the problem is I’m not sure you can turn form on and off like a tap. It’s obvious he’s trying to get us to do the bare minimum (and succeeding!!). Another risk is you can end up finishing second or third and facing a tricky “loseable” last 16 game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 7 minutes ago, petehinton said: I think even if we won it, this is his last ever tournament as England manager. I think he’s gone by august no matter what happens tbh Probably a good reason why both Poctch and Potter have been reluctant to take new jobs this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 23 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Yes. That was freaking me out. Particularly as they seemed to argue about it. Weird. You remember The Jocko keeper in the last tournament Agreed. Was Saka injured as it seemed that right side with those two was our only threatening outlet? Truth. Corrr didn’t it remind you of another team. But it wasn’t just that. It was the isolation of the forward (Kane) the inability to get around the back, particularly on the left and the walking around in midfield look lost with no ability to win second ball. Is a certain championship manager out there advising? Exactly. We didn’t get around them and were too slow to play through them. It was like an entire midfield trying to find a killer pass in slow motion and not putting in the work. The only positive is we couldn’t be worse. Could we? We won't need to be to lose against one of the best sides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Exactly. What did he think Gallagher would add. I'm mystified. Should have dropped Bellingham in alongside Rice, put Foden at 10 and brought Gordon on the left. Or play with 2 10's instead of 2 8's. spot on imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Whatever happened to the overlapping wing backs that England had a few seasons ago? Too busy these days passing along the goal line to Pickford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Literally everyone has a better anthem than us 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 10 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: Ah, didn’t see that as I never watch the expert analysis I can't believe anyone would knowingly miss out on Mica Richards's devastating insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Rollason Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 30 minutes ago, Jose said: Point well made I couldn't delete the quote.. had to post it as was. I checked the temp and it was 25/26° so probably felt hotter. heavy pitch as well... didn't seem to bother Denmark tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 36 minutes ago, Ecko said: I'll make it easy for you. Positives We didn't lose. End. Top of the group. 4 points. 99% certainly through already. But I don’t disagree with your sentiment for a moment. That was dreadful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 12 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: I’m sure many will disagree but I think Kane is part of the problem and the way he is playing Kane doesn’t press. We are not pressing effectively as a team because of it. The rest of the players play in teams that press efficiently. So we play a hybrid football trying to suit a goalscorer. We need more energy from all of them particularly from Kane. Walker and Saka did well at times, but we had nothing on the left. When we passed out we inevitably, eventually humped it as Denmark hunted down the player in possession in packs. Denmark played the football Mr Manning would like to play, England played the football we actually play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) Manning in Edited June 20 by BS3_RED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORANGE500 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: You said average yet they play at the highest levels of the game, have medals galore and have had top players in their back pockets during games. Plenty of managers at top clubs all over Europe would take them. What do you define as average? If this England team was the sum of its parts they would turn Denmark over every day. Our problems tonight all stemmed from the middle of the park, put someone like Kante in that side and it’s completely different but as we don’t have that player Gareth has got to do a lot better than try a right back in the middle. Daft experiment that thankfully we will have seen the last of. David May and Nicky Butt both won League titles FA cups and the Champions league with Man Utd neither were exactly world class were they many players have won medals whilst being pretty average. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 7 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: I’m sure many will disagree but I think Kane is part of the problem and the way he is playing Depends how you want the team to play. He can hold the ball , go past players , has a good touch and a good range of passing. Get the players bombing on when he drops a little deep and it will work. What he isn't good for is a press , this was a bit of a problem today, but it wasn't just him. I think he is part of the problem when he drops deep into a midfield low block . There were times we needed to be able to hit a target, to force their defence back or give them something to worry about. We defended with 10, so if we won the ball and they were pressing, it was incredibly hard to play out and no option to go longer. I would love us to be growing into the Tournament , there is little sign so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 21 minutes ago, RedRock said: Looks to me as if no one has clue what their actual role is in that team. ... Sadly on the mark... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 6 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: We won't need to be to lose against one of the best sides Teams improve and we have very good players. Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia and won the World Cup so I’m not worried yet…..Just effing annoyed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 More energy in the first 3 mins of Spain v Italy than in all of the Eng game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTAF Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Just now, SecretSam said: More energy in the first 3 mins of Spain v Italy than in all of the Eng game Was just about to type the same thing. England are infuriating. We've been involved in the only two turgid games of the tournament so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Cucarella. THERE'S the face I want to slap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted June 20 Admin Share Posted June 20 I didn’t realise Spain had Frank Zappa playing for them….. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Just now, REDOXO said: Teams improve and we have very good players. Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia and won the World Cup so I’m not worried yet…..Just effing annoyed. Exactly this. Still think we will let ourselves down defensively later in the tournament but Southgate has got to sort the middle of the park out. Whether that’s Bellingham dropping back and Foden going 10 or Gallagher/Mainoo/Wharton coming in. What he can’t do is play a right back in there who was so shot he stopped showing for the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Just now, SecretSam said: More energy in the first 3 mins of Spain v Italy than in all of the Eng game Spain manager does not have a clue Why would you play a LEFT footed wide man on the LEFT and a RIGHT footed player on the RIGHT side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 I don’t understand why he has Kane playing so deep. I know he can do it but the England system isn’t setup to support it. Needs to play on the last man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 14 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Exactly. What did he think Gallagher would add. I'm mystified. Should have dropped Bellingham in alongside Rice, put Foden at 10 and brought Gordon on the left. Or play with 2 10's instead of 2 8's. Should’ve taken Bellingham off. He was pony. Gallagher improved us last game when coming on for Trent. It wasn’t that crazy for him to make that change. We’ve had one of these stinking games in the group stage the last 3 tournaments now, (USA, Scotland) I’m hoping we follow it up with a good win to go in to the knockouts with a bit of confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Spain ripping Italy apart, but still 0-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) Hmmm what to say? I dozed off second half. It was turgid shite and no clue what the plan was. Even our best player Jude looked disinterested. We have a lot of work to do. Also wtf was the pitch all about? Never seen one rip up so easily. A crap evening all round and Cole Palmer must be seething. What does he have to do to get some gametime? Even Mr Reliable Declan Rice had a bad game, which rarely happens. Fair play to Guehi though. The one sparkle Meh. Edited June 20 by TonyTonyTony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 12 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: Spain manager does not have a clue Why would you play a LEFT footed wide man on the LEFT and a RIGHT footed player on the RIGHT side Bloody Brexit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 14 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: I didn’t realise Spain had Frank Zappa playing for them….. … or Diony…! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigate Red Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 I only got home in time to see the last 15mins or so - having followed comments on OTIB on the way home (always the source of truth!). Got home sat down and in the space of two minutes saw four passing errors that caused us problems and was already raising my voice at the TV. Also, what was Pickford doing coming up to the half way line to take a free kick only to pass it sideways and run back? Anyway, rapidly got annoyed and started to think about @exAtyeoMax comment about Demarks quality shirt. Not that I am one to buy current shirts but....would it be acceptable to buy one and stick a BCFC robin logo on it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Spain look so good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Fine save Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Turgid poor and tactically off it totally agree , but also doesn’t help that even when playing poorly we can’t ( fans included ) look at the bigger picture we are still in a very strong position to get out of the group yet rather than just try and control they game and get the point we needed we seemed to be over desperate to try to win it as if it was a knock out game by doing this we were gifting Denmark to much ball and subsequently chances , pitch was a shocker ( for both ) mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Can you imagine if England played Spain on current form?!?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 minute ago, Super said: Spain look so good. They do, and should be ahead, but the energy and commitment from both sides is on another scale to us earlier. And we looked knackered at the end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Just now, cityexile said: They do, and should be ahead, but the energy and commitment from both sides is on another scale to us earlier. And we looked knackered at the end! Pace and intensity. We can only dream. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 4 minutes ago, redkev said: Turgid poor and tactically off it totally agree , but also doesn’t help that even when playing poorly we can’t ( fans included ) look at the bigger picture we are still in a very strong position to get out of the group yet rather than just try and control they game and get the point we needed we seemed to be over desperate to try to win it as if it was a knock out game by doing this we were gifting Denmark to much ball and subsequently chances , pitch was a shocker ( for both ) mind Get what you’re saying, but for me putting performances like that in won’t do the players confidence or belief any good for future games. That isn’t a confidence building performance to look forward to the next game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednotblue Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 I can't comprehend how poor the press was from England today. It strikes me that currently we need teams to sit off against us as we are unable to move the ball quickly enough. As soon as a team presses we panic and cannot retain posession, don't press and then sit deeper and deeper. All the attacking play is going down the right. We need balance. The full backs are sitting too deep. Rice and TAA are unable to dictate the tempo. Kane does not seem fit The players seem massively undercooked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Crikey Nico Williams is fantastic. Have we put a bid in for him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 9 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Hmmm what to say? I dozed off second half. It was turgid shite and no clue what the plan was. Even our best player Jude looked disinterested. We have a lot of work to do. Also wtf was the pitch all about? Never seen one rip up so easily. A crap evening all round and Cole Palmer must be seething. What does he have to do to get some gametime? Even Mr Reliable Declan Rice had a bad game, which rarely happens. Fair play to Guehi though. The one sparkle Meh. I remember last Euro when England lost in the final on penalties to Italy. The group games were exactly the same as this time around - slow, turgid, boring and dull especially 0-0 against Scotland at Wembley………. but England reached the final………. Its obviously Southgate modus operandi in major tournaments to get thru the group stage and this time England are almost certainly thru. Once into the last 16 he takes of the shackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Wasn't there one in this year's African nations and they went on to either win it or get to the final. Just checked and Ivory Coast sacked manager in group stages of AFCON finals and went on to win them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 minute ago, Robbored said: I remember last Euro when England lost in the final on penalties to Italy. The group games were exactly the same as this time around - slow, turgid, boring and dull especially 0-0 against Scotland at Wembley………. but England reached the final………. Its obviously Southgate modus operandi in major tournaments to get thru the group stage and this time England are almost certainly thru. Once into the last 16 he takes of the shackles. I think you're being a bit hopeful there RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 minute ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Just checked and Ivory Coast sacked manager in group stages of AFCON finals and went on to win them. I think it's because they thought they hadn't qualified from the group stage so sacked him when infact they had? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 16 minutes ago, Super said: Spain look so good. They do look good. It helps having the best CM in world football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: I think you're being a bit hopeful there RR Based entirely on what happened in the last Euro’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 5 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: Crikey Nico Williams is fantastic. Have we put a bid in for him? No, we went for Dire Mebude instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Classic Italy 1 - 0 coming up in the second half then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 7 minutes ago, Robbored said: Based entirely on what happened in the last Euro’s. Fair enough. Dare I say it but I think we miss Sterling :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Player ratings in for England game on BBC. Spoiler alert: no England player over 6 TAA got more than 3, which is astonishing. I gave him 1/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 20 minutes ago, Robbored said: Once into the last 16 he takes of the shackles. Not quite sure i remember that, but i do agree that the tournament doesnt really start until the knockouts. However our form is poor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Collectively we were very poor and got worse as the game went on. Denmark looked much more hungry for it and we stood off them. Their goal was great strike but I would have expected our players to be busting a gut to close him down to make it more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 After watching today's England game, tonight's Italy / Spain is a complete antidote. Players with ball running t the oppos. Those without the ball moving around to provide options to whoever has the ball.Hopefully the England team are watching this and seeing how football should be played. A good game to watch for neutrals. Speaking of which; the flags of Portugal, Scotland, Hungary and Germany all visible tonight.Is POTD available to fill the stadia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Has he seriously come out and said we are struggling as we don’t have a natural replacement for Kalvin ******* Phillips? I was enjoying the Euros. Watching us has taken any enjoyment from it and I’ve sacked off tonight’s game. Only the second I’ve missed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, 22A said: After watching today's England game, tonight's Italy / Spain is a complete antidote. Players with ball running t the oppos. Those without the ball moving around to provide options to whoever has the ball.Hopefully the England team are watching this and seeing how football should be played. A good game to watch for neutrals. Speaking of which; the flags of Portugal, Scotland, Hungary and Germany all visible tonight.Is POTD available to fill the stadia? A large portion of the tickets are sold in a ballot before the draw is even made. Most of the games are sold out but there are a few tickets available to certain games on the Euro 2024 website now mainly in the 400euro bracket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 At this rate OG could win the golden boot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 It’s a cunning plan by Southgate to convince all the other teams we’re crap, whilst we limp through and qualify under the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 How many own goals is that so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 6 minutes ago, 22A said: After watching today's England game, tonight's Italy / Spain is a complete antidote. Players with ball running t the oppos. Those without the ball moving around to provide options to whoever has the ball.Hopefully the England team are watching this and seeing how football should be played. A good game to watch for neutrals. Speaking of which; the flags of Portugal, Scotland, Hungary and Germany all visible tonight.Is POTD available to fill the stadia? They’re making so much more use of the whole pitch tonight…..both sides. Far more open, far less congested, and playing into spaces. Sadly, amongst the flags, the one I keep seeing is that effing Bristol R####s one!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, downendcity said: At this rate OG could win the golden boot. Well he does play for every team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 This really is a joy to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 23 minutes ago, SecretSam said: Player ratings in for England game on BBC. Spoiler alert: no England player over 6 TAA got more than 3, which is astonishing. I gave him 1/10. Eze … did he actually contribute anything after he came on? Certainly would be challenging Trent for that 1 ‘tying up his boot laces correctly’ rating for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Seen more action in watching 10 minutes of the Spain game than ours ! And a goal . Unfortunate for Italy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Is Yamal the number 7 Tins was talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Jose said: Has he seriously come out and said we are struggling as we don’t have a natural replacement for Kalvin ******* Phillips? I was enjoying the Euros. Watching us has taken any enjoyment from it and I’ve sacked off tonight’s game. Only the second I’ve missed. Yep, of all the midfielders we've got he thinks Phillips is the key one! In his world Phillips and Henderson would be a world beating duo. Edited June 20 by Fpcity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 minute ago, Fpcity said: Yep, of all the midfielders we've got he thinks Phillips is the key one! Haha ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 39 minutes ago, SecretSam said: Player ratings in for England game on BBC. Spoiler alert: no England player over 6 TAA got more than 3, which is astonishing. I gave him 1/10. I see the lowest rated Danish player was still higher than our top rated one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 10 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said: Is Yamal the number 7 Tins was talking about? No, Limahl, but he was too shy too shy to sign! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 56 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: Crikey Nico Williams is fantastic. Have we put a bid in for him? We’ve probably bid on Forest’s Nico Williams by mistake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 4 minutes ago, Fpcity said: Yep, of all the midfielders we've got he thinks Phillips is the key one! In his world Phillips and Henderson would be a world beating duo. Tonight might be his defining interview. +++++ Rumours that Potter turned down Leicester because he’ll be England Manager next. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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