steveybadger Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 I don’t like to go all conspiracy theorist but I do wonder if FIFA just want more goals, hence more penalties for ridiculous handballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyy66 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 So want Denmark to win this. Come on you reds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Michael Oliver really looking to make his mark on this game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Denmark will feel hard done by! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: That’s not var that is the rules which are a bloody waste of the time The kebabs any good? I don't eat that rubbish! My body is a temple 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Shock. English referees ******* this game up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 minute ago, steveybadger said: I don’t like to go all conspiracy theorist but I do wonder if FIFA just want more goals, hence more penalties for ridiculous handballs. Doesn’t explain why they take 5 minutes to see if someone toenail is offside. Var is killing the game. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 minute ago, richyy66 said: So want Denmark to win this. Come on you reds Unfortunately, if you wanted a team to close out a game you'd likely chose Germany! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Goes to show these danish ain’t half a bad side dispite it being the end of the world when we got a point 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyy66 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 minute ago, downendcity said: Unfortunately, if you wanted a team to close out a game you'd likely chose Germany! Let's hope you are wrong. No offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 7 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: English officials so VAR goes tits up. Michael Oliver may as well play for Germany, since the early disallowed goal he’s given them every decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, glynriley said: Doesn’t explain why they take 5 minutes to see if someone toenail is offside. Var is killing the game. It makes it more exciting for American viewers who like games that go on for hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 My new Keith Stroud has risen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Has to score AGAIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Jammy Krauts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Super said: Remember a lad called Michael Johnson at Man City everyone raved about him was last seen working in a kebab shop! Haha, yes! He was the next big thing. He did turn into the next big thing but not in the way he wanted. Edited June 29 by formerly known as ivan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 7 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: That’s not var that is the rules which are a bloody waste of the time The kebabs any good? English officials interpretation of the rules then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Kasper what you doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 I was expecting the keeper to come into the picture.But nothing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, Red Army 75 said: I was expecting the keeper to come into the picture.But nothing He went to then went back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Good old fashioned football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 6 minutes ago, richyy66 said: Let's hope you are wrong. No offence. I did say unfortunately, and after scoring their second it looks like I was right. The disallowed goal and very iffy penalty decision completely reversed the momentum in the game. Thanks Mr Oliver! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 i love watching football at any level but when that penalty was awarded i switched off. ****** joke , and watching defenders with their ams behind the back while defending is mental ,games gone at the top level. I ****** hate it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 15 minutes ago, steveybadger said: I don’t like to go all conspiracy theorist but I do wonder if FIFA just want more goals, hence more penalties for ridiculous handballs. If that's the case then they'd have allowed the two disallowed goals to stand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 13 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Goes to show these danish ain’t half a bad side dispite it being the end of the world when we got a point They aren't a bad side but compare our "performance" to the Germans and it's chalk and cheese. They actually have attacking intent and look like a team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Shambolic decisions and lost interest in this game. Well done VAR, feel for Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Nice second goal tbf . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 As a break from the poor decisions, I didn't see any neutral flags tonight. However; anyone on here serve at BFPO 47? Near the half way line was a German flag with Gutersloh written in white on the black bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, Kid in the Riot said: They aren't a bad side but compare our "performance" to the Germans and it's chalk and cheese. They actually have attacking intent and look like a team. The danish have created much more against the Germans than they did against us and are chasing the game obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 21 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: The rule needs rewriting if only because the punishment of a penalty for that alleged "foul" is not proportionate. If you really think that is handball, ok, then award an indirect free kick inside the area. Agree with this. I've always though how can something like that lead directly to a free shot at goal, what was he supposed to do with his arms from that distance? Handball off the line and deliberate handball then yeah fair enough, but it's so harsh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 15 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Feel a bit sick in that I agree with Clive Tydlesley: ’The handball law is not fit for purpose’. When a goal is disallowed for handball if the ball hits the hand of an attacker , even if completely accidental, during the build up to a goal, but is not a handball if no goal results from the attack and it is not handball if a the ball hits the hand of a defender in the penalty in exactly the same way , then the hand ball law id bolux. It's the same as when commentators say of a tackle in the penalty area, "anywhere else on the pitch that's a foul". It shouldn't make any difference where o the pitch a foul or handball occurs or who by - if it's a foul, it's a foul and if it's handball then it's handball. Too much interference by footballs administrators has ruined so much of the game taking common sense out of decision making by making things prescriptive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stortfordred Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Oliver’s in shot more than any player. Glory hunter. Dreadful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: They aren't a bad side but compare our "performance" to the Germans and it's chalk and cheese. They actually have attacking intent and look like a team. Exactly mate, Germany have put in a much more aggressive and positive performance than we did and guess what... a better outcome and more enjoyment for their fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Denmark not getting any breaks.. Lucky Germany didn't score then as Oliver would have found some way to override the lino and VAR! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) Andy Oliver being investigated for making a betting double - the date of the general election and Germany winning the Euros. Edited June 29 by downendcity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, downendcity said: Denmark not getting any breaks.. Lucky Germany didn't score then as Oliver would have found some way to override the lino and VAR! Had that ridiculous penalty not been given I can’t see Germany winning this game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 5 minutes ago, 2015 said: Agree with this. I've always though how can something like that lead directly to a free shot at goal, what was he supposed to do with his arms from that distance? Handball off the line and deliberate handball then yeah fair enough, but it's so harsh A penalty gives an approx. 75-80% of scoring a goal I think. Cannot be right that a cross deflected off a blokes fingers results in that kind of advantage. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 minute ago, downendcity said: Denmark not getting any breaks.. Lucky Germany didn't score then as Oliver would have found some way to override the lino and VAR! Let's face it though, Germany are the better team here, and even if the Denmark goal had been given, I'd fancy Germany to get the result one way or another. Just now, joe jordans teeth said: Had that ridiculous penalty not been given I can’t see Germany winning this game We obviously see it differently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, Kid in the Riot said: A penalty gives an approx. 75-80% of scoring a goal I think. Cannot be right that a cross deflected off a blokes fingers results in that kind of advantage. It’s certainly over-generous in terms of what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, mozo said: Let's face it though, Germany are the better team here, and even if the Denmark goal had been given, I'd fancy Germany to get the result one way or another. Momentum. Before the penalty the momentum was with Denmark and Germany was feeling the pressure. Going a goal behind would have ramped up that pressure and caused them to chase the game. The disallowed goal, quickly followed by the dubious penalty gave Germany the buffer of a one goal lead and completely changed the dynamics of the game. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: A penalty gives an approx. 75-80% of scoring a goal I think. Cannot be right that a cross deflected off a blokes fingers results in that kind of advantage. Totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: A penalty gives an approx. 75-80% of scoring a goal I think. Cannot be right that a cross deflected off a blokes fingers results in that kind of advantage. In theory I like the idea of free kicks in the area for unintentional handballs or obstructions, but I do wonder if, as with any rule change, it would just open the game up to new problems. It's tricky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 24 minutes ago, Alan Dicks said: Jammy Krauts Good player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 minute ago, downendcity said: Momentum. Before the penalty the momentum was with Denmark and Germany was feeling the pressure. Going a goal behind would have ramped up that pressure and caused them to chase the game. The disallowed goal, quickly followed by the dubious penalty gave Germany the buffer of a one goal lead and completely changed the dynamics of the game. Let's not forget that Germany had already had a somewhat harsh decision disallowed a goal in the first few minutes. The better team is winning ultimately. Denmark have had chances but don't have the quality up front. Good game though! Much more entertaining than watching Italy or England. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 29 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: It makes it more exciting for American viewers who like games that go on for hours Test cricket go down better there than T20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 minute ago, mozo said: Let's not forget that Germany had already had a somewhat harsh decision disallowed a goal in the first few minutes. The better team is winning ultimately. Denmark have had chances but don't have the quality up front. Good game though! Much more entertaining than watching Italy or England. From the replays the German striker blatantly blocked the Danish defender who was tracking the "goal" scorer, so not harsh at all. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, Bristol Oil Services said: Test cricket go down better there than T20? T20 doesn’t go down well there it can’t do any worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 TBF Germany did have a goal ruled out too but guess the harsh penalty was the key turning point . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Some breaks did not go their way today for the Danish, but across the piece thought Germany did enough to win. Did not look unbeatable today, but I suppose all that matters is getting through to the next round every match now. Kasper arguably man of the match, despite being at fault for the second in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 4 minutes ago, downendcity said: From the replays the German striker blatantly blocked the Danish defender who was tracking the "goal" scorer, so not harsh at all. It was like a basketball pick n roll screen, which to me isn't a bad thing, but I appreciate football is a non contact sport now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Ian Wright shutting down that idiot. Shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) 10 minutes ago, mozo said: It was like a basketball pick n roll screen, which to me isn't a bad thing, but I appreciate football is a non contact sport now. While I agree that too much of football has taken the physical contact out of the game, i.e.almost every tackle is deemed a foul, I thank that is completely different to this incident, which was a player blatantly body checking a defender off the ball , with the express purpose of preventing that player being able to mark and legitimately challenge a teammate. It's the rugby equivalent of tackling a player without the ball. The funny thing is that Oliver had a great view of the foul and blew for it immediately. It's ironic, but had he not seen it ,what are the odds that VAR would have given the goal? Edited June 29 by downendcity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 18 minutes ago, mozo said: Let's not forget that Germany had already had a somewhat harsh decision disallowed a goal in the first few minutes. The better team is winning ultimately. Denmark have had chances but don't have the quality up front. Good game though! Much more entertaining than watching Italy or England. Harsh? It's a clear foul unless I watched a different game 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Does anyone else get pissed off when you hear Americans talk about football? Or is it just my old age? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, Ecko said: Does anyone else get pissed off when you hear Americans talk about football? Or is it just my old age? She's an upgrade on Mike Dean! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, Super said: She's an upgrade on Mike Dean! Is that saying much?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 4 minutes ago, Super said: She's an upgrade on Mike Dean! Seemed to be getting a mixed reaction to her but she seemed clear and sure in herself . Maybe the officials don’t like these rules ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 12 minutes ago, Ecko said: Does anyone else get pissed off when you hear Americans talk about football? Or is it just my old age? Yea can't we find anyone among several hundred million in Europe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) Poor penalty call, if that is a penalty... Better side win overall. Technically the call was correct for offside but the sceptic in me wonders if those incidents occur the opposite way. Denmark and finishing, it isn't a strong point of theirs. Edited June 29 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Yea can't we find anyone among several hundred million in Europe. Tbf they have ange on there and he’s Australian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Was interesting hearing Ange’s thoughts on the VAR decisions tonight, given his club voted to keep VAR in place. He clearly isn’t a fan of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 8 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Was interesting hearing Ange’s thoughts on the VAR decisions tonight, given his club voted to keep VAR in place. He clearly isn’t a fan of it! I presume he didn’t get much of a say.. Maybe none of the managers of all these clubs weren’t asked for their view when voting on VAR? Tbh someone should question these clubs next season as to why they voted to keep VAR .. That could be an interesting talking point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 8 minutes ago, Ecko said: Does anyone else get pissed off when you hear Americans talk about football? Or is it just my old age? I do agree it's a sorry state of affairs when we need someone explaining this weeks latest rule changes after every game. It's not her opinion though, she just explained everything very well from a rules perspective. Some worrying things that I didn't realise, such as proximity no longer a consideration for penalties, which I think is madness. The uncomfortable truth is that human referees and ever increasing technology aren't mixing very well, and it's going to get worse. I'd hate to be a referee now. FIFA need to remember that 99.9% of football played all over the world, right down to the lowest level, has no access to or experience of this techie stuff. They really risk alienating people. When you hang a door, the bottom hinge is always further from the bottom edge than the top hinge is from the top edge. We do this because it looks right. Use a tape to measure to the nearest millimetre and it will look crap, much like football with too much technology. For me, lets limit it to goal line technology, a person in the middle with a whistle and 2 people running the sidelines with flags. That was more than enough to make it the most popular game in the world. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 hour ago, mozo said: It was like a basketball pick n roll screen, which to me isn't a bad thing, but I appreciate football is a non contact sport now. Moving screen - offensive foul! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 It's very wet. Hope the Schalke ground has good drainage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip Broadwalk Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 37 minutes ago, Kingswood Robin said: I do agree it's a sorry state of affairs when we need someone explaining this weeks latest rule changes after every game. It's not her opinion though, she just explained everything very well from a rules perspective. Some worrying things that I didn't realise, such as proximity no longer a consideration for penalties, which I think is madness. The uncomfortable truth is that human referees and ever increasing technology aren't mixing very well, and it's going to get worse. I'd hate to be a referee now. FIFA need to remember that 99.9% of football played all over the world, right down to the lowest level, has no access to or experience of this techie stuff. They really risk alienating people. Regarding the handball part of what her (name??) used was opinion. She did not explain how the Denmark players arm wasnt in a unnatural position. Heres another opinion the players arm was in natural position as the players arm was in a position justifiable by his body movement for that specific situation and there i quote the law. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 VAR is not good for our beautiful game. Disallowed Danish goal, offside 1cm. Penalty Germany. Ok, the germans little better but the outcome of the game gives you a bad taste in mouth because of VAR. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 6 hours ago, Three Lions said: Regarding the handball part of what her (name??) used was opinion. She did not explain how the Denmark players arm wasnt in a unnatural position. Heres another opinion the players arm was in natural position as the players arm was in a position justifiable by his body movement for that specific situation and there i quote the law. I've all but given up with the natural/unnatural position part of it , when it comes to decisions it doesn't seem to matter. first two random photos of "sliding tackle " on Google . The arm is stretched out as balance and as it's a normal thing, then it's a natural position, but.... The arm is away from the body , so if a ball hits it , Pen. Still in a natural position , but still a Pen. They play with wording , they mess with rules , but it rarely gets better and never gets simpler . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 For 100 odd years football was fine, and they seem to be now mucking about with the rules to try and accommodate VAR. Refs and linesman especially don't even bother to make decisions anymore. With offside everyone knew where they stood, yeh sometimes the decisions were wrong but you could always accept it if it was close I.e. I can see why he gave it. They used to give the advantage to the attacker if it was close, but that's long gone now. The joy of a goal is now ruined as you never know if some computer is going to rule it out. I see zero benefit to any VAR apart from goal line tech, but I fear it's here to stay 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 I think if you asked each manager before a game if they wanted to use VAR and they had to be in agreement to use it or not, you'd never see it again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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