TV Tom Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 11 hours ago, Davefevs said: Good player, gonna be a superstar. Reminds me of that other great Danish Centre forward Nicklas Bendtner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Gazred said: I think if you asked each manager before a game if they wanted to use VAR and they had to be in agreement to use it or not, you'd never see it again. Well the clubs had a vote but presumably the managers weren’t consulted or wanted to keep it infact ? Edited June 30 by Markthehorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Interesting game of decisions last night... Brave (not wrong) of Oliver to disllow the Germany goal in the early mins Offside is offside but no-one checked much to see if the ball actually came off the German. Handball was shite , they need to sort the rules out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 30 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Interesting game of decisions last night... Brave (not wrong) of Oliver to disllow the Germany goal in the early mins Offside is offside but no-one checked much to see if the ball actually came off the German. Handball was shite , they need to sort the rules out It was as a result of the rules (laws) being " sorted out" that the handball was shite!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 26 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: Well the clubs had a vote but presumably the managers weren’t consulted or wanted to keep it infact ? I'm sure they were consulted but wouldn't have the final say regardless. The recent vote included a list of improvements the PL were going to make, they've decided to give it a go. Maybe they look at it again in a season or two, see if the proposed changes improve things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 10 hours ago, Davefevs said: Moving screen - offensive foul! Probably by the letter of the law that's a foul. And technically the offside call was correct too. I'd prefer that both goals stand but it's not my choice. The German penalty was very harsh, but probably just about a correct use of the laws. It's frustrating and the rules do need to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip Broadwalk Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 3 hours ago, 1960maaan said: I've all but given up with the natural/unnatural position part of it , when it comes to decisions it doesn't seem to matter. first two random photos of "sliding tackle " on Google . The arm is stretched out as balance and as it's a normal thing, then it's a natural position, but.... The arm is away from the body , so if a ball hits it , Pen. Still in a natural position , but still a Pen. They play with wording , they mess with rules , but it rarely gets better and never gets simpler . touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised I dont think the wording in law 12 there for handball above is poor its EUFA have a different idea of what natural is. Those pics show players in natural positions but i think eufa see any arm being away from the body as unnatural and this is natural now as in natural for what they think should happen as natural for that situation. Try running around with your arms behind your body like that and it isnt natural. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, TV Tom said: Reminds me of that other great Danish Centre forward Nicklas Bendtner He was a superstar too… …unfortunately in his own head only! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, TV Tom said: Reminds me of that other great Danish Centre forward Nicklas Bendtner Prob wish they had him last night. Hojlund was absolute litter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 19 minutes ago, mozo said: Probably by the letter of the law that's a foul. And technically the offside call was correct too. I'd prefer that both goals stand but it's not my choice. The German penalty was very harsh, but probably just about a correct use of the laws. It's frustrating and the rules do need to change. I'm intrigued that you think that Germany's disallowed goal should have stood, likening the German players premeditated block on the defender to a basketball move, as though that legitemizes it. If so, then I presume you'd be happy with this scenario. A striker has beaten has beaten the full back and pulls the ball back to the penalty spot. A defender is on the floor on the edge of the box and another striker is running into the area at speed to pick up the pass. The defender realising he will not be able to catch and tackle him, stands up and just blocks his run, allowing the keeper to collect the ball. Other than this prevented a goal, rather than enabling one to be scored, the actions are the same. Would/should that also be allowed? In this scenario it's highly likely, and correct, that the defender would be red carded for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Why should the same offence ( a "professional" foul on a layer who doesn't have the ball not be penalised, just because it was at the other end of the pitch and that it enabled a goal scoring opportunity? I'd suggest that had Germany's disallowed goal been against their team, but had been allowed to stand, fans of every club, having seen the replay, would be apoplectic - as would we. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Why not just make handball anywhere on the pitch (including in the box) an indirect free kick or something like that? Maybe it wouldn't work right on the goal line, but I think part of the issue is that the result of the tiniest bit of a hand accidentally touching the ball resulting in a near certain goal is way too much of a game decider. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't matter quite as much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 10 minutes ago, downendcity said: I'm intrigued that you think that Germany's disallowed goal should have stood, likening the German players premeditated block on the defender to a basketball move, as though that legitemizes it. If so, then I presume you'd be happy with this scenario. A striker has beaten has beaten the full back and pulls the ball back to the penalty spot. A defender is on the floor on the edge of the box and another striker is running into the area at speed to pick up the pass. The defender realising he will not be able to catch and tackle him, stands up and just blocks his run, allowing the keeper to collect the ball. Other than this prevented a goal, rather than enabling one to be scored, the actions are the same. Would/should that also be allowed? In this scenario it's highly likely, and correct, that the defender would be red carded for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Why should the same offence ( a "professional" foul on a layer who doesn't have the ball not be penalised, just because it was at the other end of the pitch and that it enabled a goal scoring opportunity? I'd suggest that had Germany's disallowed goal been against their team, but had been allowed to stand, fans of every club, having seen the replay, would be apoplectic - as would we. I accepted that it's probably a foul, but yes it would be my preference for there to be more physicality in football, and a screen is fine. This was a fairly aggressive screen so I'm sure people don't like it. My preferences count for nothing. Technically, the Swiss goal was offside. I'd prefer the benefit go to the attacker whereby they're marginal, but again, it's not in my gift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 With the handball "rule" are the player's hands only in an unnatural position if the ball hits them? During any play within the penalty area there are hands and arms all over the place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) My take but whether it is truly aligned is.. If your arms are widely stretched out that is blatantly trying to gain an advantage or even if fairly stretched yeah, and as the rules stand. Arms tucked in, or behind back or whatever- ball comes at them obviously not. Yesterday wasn't quite either but where are his arms supposed to go?? It felt a ridiculous call and arguably a gsme changer given Denmark post the first 20 or so of Germany dominance were well in the game. Edited June 30 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Personally I think we should revert to a much simpler rule - it’s only handball if it’s deliberate, and that criterion is down to the subjective judgement of the ref. That’s what the discussion really amounts to - is the player attempting to cheat, or was the contact accidental/unavoidable. All the “unnatural position” rules are really about judging the intent. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) Having said all that about Denmark, their finishing in this game and this tournament, they probably have had one of the worst goal to shot ratios. May not have been a game changer anyway. My rolling position was 2 Goals from 53 Shots in 4 Games. Your underlying numbers sound but your conversion and output... Edited June 30 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 We look crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 8 minutes ago, MelksRed said: We look crap After 20 mins it's obvious that England are too ponderous in the build up allowing the Slovaks to defend. They on the other hand make rapid stabbing attacks and have come close to scoring three times already. Off the pitch; a wide variety of place names on the England flags including Bydgoszcz which is in Poland. As I write, Slovaks take the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 We seriously look like we just haven't got a Scooby Doo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intercity Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 I wonder if City could beat England... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 31 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said: We seriously look like we just haven't got a Scooby Doo They all look scared! What happened to getting the ball and driving at them and committing their players Its easy to play against us because we play back & sideways too much get Palmer & Gordon on and tell them to get at their defence Foden is no use out wide, play a 3 at the back and give it go for gods sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 37 minutes ago, INCRED said: They all look scared! What happened to getting the ball and driving at them and committing their players Its easy to play against us because we play back & sideways too much get Palmer & Gordon on and tell them to get at their defence Foden is no use out wide, play a 3 at the back and give it go for gods sake All we're doing at the moment is coming home. Shit or bust, as you say, bloody go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sheene Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 You lucky lucky Bast**d Southgate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Oh hello Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 4 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Oh hello Surely not going to win again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Can see Georgia scoring again on the counter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Georgia the epitome of jumpers for goalpoasts, great fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Good game this. Is Rodri the best all-around footballer in the world right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Excellent goals . Probably over now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 3 hours ago, intercity said: I wonder if City could beat England... It would be the dullest of games in the history of football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, Barry Sheene said: You lucky lucky Bast**d Southgate We'll never know of course, but at the 95 minute mark was he composing his resignation or were the FA sending his P454? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Cracking game this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Just now, RedorDead BCFC said: Cracking game this one Yes . Really open and attacking Will Spin beat Germany though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Do Spain know what on earth they are doing here? They are winning and still forcing the opponents back and trying to score more. Is this allowed? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 11 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: Will Spin beat Germany though? This is football, not cricket 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 49 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Good game this. Is Rodri the best all-around footballer in the world right now? Certainly one of the most integral to his team(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Lovely goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Love to see Yamal to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Long night tonight but Mamardashvili has been excellent in the Georgia net this tournament. Young too. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Valencia facing interest from some of the European giants in the next year or two. Could sort a club out for the next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Well played Georgia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Spain v Germany on Friday, should be a cracker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 9 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Spain v Germany on Friday, should be a cracker And Portugal v France to follow it if the results go as expected tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip Broadwalk Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 22 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: My take but whether it is truly aligned is.. If your arms are widely stretched out that is blatantly trying to gain an advantage or even if fairly stretched yeah, and as the rules stand. Arms tucked in, or behind back or whatever- ball comes at them obviously not. Yesterday wasn't quite either but where are his arms supposed to go?? It felt a ridiculous call and arguably a gsme changer given Denmark post the first 20 or so of Germany dominance were well in the game. Players arms here widely outstretched and totally natural. they become unnatural if their above the head (Why would they be there??) or a player does that Peter Schmeichel handball block thing. That was called biggering where the body is made unnaturally bigger alongside what the players is doing. arms behind the back unnatural?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 14 hours ago, cityexile said: Do Spain know what on earth they are doing here? They are winning and still forcing the opponents back and trying to score more. Is this allowed? Agreed. It seems a British thing that if winning near full time, you play the ball into a corner to keep it from the oppos. Other countries will take the ball and try to score another goal to cement their win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 45 minutes ago, 22A said: Agreed. It seems a British thing that if winning near full time, you play the ball into a corner to keep it from the oppos. Other countries will take the ball and try to score another goal to cement their win. That tactic was not originally British. The origins are unclear but until the WC in 1966 no British person had seen it before but began to adopt it the following season. It’s common sense to keep the ball as far away from your goal as possible. If ‘other countries’ don’t do it when winning late in game then that’s their prerogative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Got a ticket for France Belgium today, should be good. Better start than yesterday as at least Dusseldorf is a functioning and interesting city. Gelsenkirchen on a Sunday not so much, I can see why Kalas still lives in Bristol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 51 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Got a ticket for France Belgium today, should be good. Better start than yesterday as at least Dusseldorf is a functioning and interesting city. Gelsenkirchen on a Sunday not so much, I can see why Kalas still lives in Bristol Both teams haven’t been at their best . Hopefully as you say it’s an attacking open game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Belgium for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) Were do these refs come from, certain corner off a Belgium's players head, the ref was yards away looking straight at the incident, gives a goal kick and books a player for protesting! Edited July 1 by EstoniaTallinnRed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Odd goalkeeping there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 What’s with these yellow cards for barely anything. That wasn’t even a foul ffs. Misses next game too. Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Another card happy ref. Not going to be a trend is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Ally McCoist sounds lost without his buddy. I'm not a fan of CT but … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 France don't look amazing , better through the lines than us maybe but I think England fans would hate a midfield of Tchouchmeni, Rabiot and Kante Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northsomersetred Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Oh my 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 France are stinking out this Tournament..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Trying to think who Mbappe reminds me of..... Maybe this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) Both France and Belgium appear more direct than England. If a midfielder is being closed down, he doesn't turn and hit the ball back to the goalie. Instead he hits it across the field to an unmarked team mate so they can advance again. Latvia and Venezuela(!) flags on show amongst the French fans. Edited July 1 by 22A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Don't think England have any players as shit as Thuram and Carrasco though Perfect timing from Carrasco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 14 minutes ago, Super said: France are stinking out this Tournament..... Are they trying to poo-poo our poo-poo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Well if I say it’s going to ET bound to be a goal ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Standard of refereeing is getting worse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 UEFA opened a disciplinary investigation on Monday into a gesture made by Jude Bellingham after he scored a stunning overhead kick to keep England in Euro 2024. In the aftermath of the goal, Bellingham was caught on film mimicking a crotch grab while apparently looking towards the Slovakian bench. In a statement competition organisers UEFA said an investigation had been launched into "a potential violation of the basic rules of decent conduct by the English Football Association player, Jude Bellingham, having allegedly occurred in the scope of this match." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Big chance that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Lucky goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Horrid. Don’t shoot don’t score I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Grr. France winning. Don‘t like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 On the plus side we don't have to watch another half hour. Really poor game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 The only difference between Deschamps and Southgate to this point is that the former managed to get over the line in a tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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