Davefevs Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 52 minutes ago, Jose said: It looks like it’s Trippier over Trent. And some people can’t understand why he gets stick In fairness, just because Trent is attack-minded doesn’t turn him from a RB into a RWB. A lot of clamour for a back-3 and WBs this evening, but to me the WBs (whoever play there) are the sacrifice to get Foden and Bellingham in as a pair of 10s. Our two WBs are gonna have to do a helluva lot of work, especially if we avoid Switzerland building out from the back, without Kane, Bellingham and Foden just being spread across the pitch doing doggies as the ball gets moved. If Trippier and Saka push on to avoid that happening, Walker and Konsa have to be prepared to mark / close down on the flanks. They can’t sit alongside Stones, or Saka and Trippier will get passed around, picked off. Assuming he does go with the suggested set-up / line-up, that will be the thing that I’ll be looking out for tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 All the national teams have access to the best software, diet and fitness regimes available. They are , on the whole, negating each other. It requires a moment of great skill or inattention to gain the advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 41 minutes ago, MarcusX said: He did it in the previous round too so not sure it’s just the one ref (and presumably VAR could intervene?) guess it’s just allowed or isn’t actually contravening the rule as has been shared Gets stick if he doesn’t change, gets stick if he does. Hes regularly changed to a 3 in tournaments so it’s not specifically bexuSe it’s Switzerland, it’s because he feels that’s the way to play against their setup. Will reserve judgement TIL I see it in action, but many people are suggesting the same plan. What is Frances plan? Bore the shit out of everyone and hope the defenders put the ball in the net for them? No one will criticise him for changing. I think it’s clear though that he is changing to match them up rather than implement our game. Anyway no more negative comments from me. I’m looking forward to it and it’s a massive game. I’ll wait till at least ten minutes in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 23 minutes ago, Jose said: No one will criticise him for changing. I think it’s clear though that he is changing to match them up rather than implement our game. Anyway no more negative comments from me. I’m looking forward to it and it’s a massive game. I’ll wait till at least ten minutes in I think what still bothers me is he tried 2-3 different styles in friendlies this year including a fairly aggressive press against Brazil and Grealish playing high and wide against Bosnia (and creating a goal from it) and has decided not to implement either style in the Euros. Its more about how we play than shape or players for me, I’d like to see the wingbacks, probably more so Saka, play high and wide and then Foden or Bellingham can operate in that space that should be created on the left. (Where they’ve been trying to play anyway) I can see Trippier being less aggressive/forward on the right and almost filling into a back 4 at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Has Saka played LWB much before ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I honestly see us going home today, Switzerland are well organised, each player knows what to do, how they're to play and they do it well. We're disjointed at best and with Southgate trying to tinker to match them I have a feeling we're going to be massively uncoordinated. Southgate has done well for England imo, he's not deserving of the hate he gets but I think even his biggest fans will accept he's failing at this tournament so far. We've got a wealth on talent and he doesn't even know what his best team or formation is, it's a shame but I think they'll be our undoing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, BanburyRed said: Was going to post the same but maybe thought I was misreading the game. Gave up at half time, like watching paint dry. Terrible advert for top class Euro 2024 football. I dozed off in ET. Missed the pens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 It doesn't matter about formations. If we don't improve we'll be going out today. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, Markthehorn said: Has Saka played LWB much before ? Yes, coming up through the youth teams. I saw him a couple of times in underage England teams, you could tell he had great ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 31 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Yes, coming up through the youth teams. I saw him a couple of times in underage England teams, you could tell he had great ability. Problem with having him as a wing back is that he's one of the best players for running at the opposition and by using him as a wing back he'll be too deep to get into situations to beat the last man or push past in dangerous situations which leaves us short up top with that kind of player. TAA on the other hand can cause problems from deeper positions and would free Saka up to counter effectively. That said I can see why Southgate is happy with what he's chosen as under him what we lack this tournament is the ability to counter quickly and effectively, another reason why we struggle to create as much as we could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, Super said: It doesn't matter about formations. If we don't improve we'll be going out today. True. They Swiss play as a team which, along with their flag, is a big plus. (Been trying to shoehorn that gag into a post all day.) 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) It’s down to our best players to show they can do it alongside slightly lesser players and aren’t just top notch system players at club level when they have players of pretty much equal ability alongside them. Thats what the very best do. Edited July 6 by Numero Uno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 A dull 45 mins of football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Yeah this is painful, all this talk of being better at half time, how do we plan on winning this game? Boring Switzerland to sleep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Performance has been better. The whole thing is still Sat on a knife edge. We are playing a dangerous game...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 We need to be more direct in the final third....less tappy sh1t...head down and create some anxiety for their defence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Kane offering nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Kane offering nothing. Constantly sat too deep.....meaning, when we play out, we have no outlet. Needs subbed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) Arrogance has cost us. (Nice shot Saka!) Edited July 6 by MelksRed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Phew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Am loving the NEDTUR game. Perfect antidote to our dour game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Extra time and players picking up yellows and subsequent one game bans is exactly what we need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Turkey play with great energy, but do tire, would fancy the Dutch now. Will be another 50/50 for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 What a gloriously scruffy finish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Looks like the Dutch then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2-1 Netherlands. Not quite sure what the Turkish defence were doing there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, cityexile said: 2-1 Netherlands. Not quite sure what the Turkish defence were doing there. Definitely could have been given a foul by Gakpo then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, !james said: Definitely could have been given a foul by Gakpo then! Hmm.. Not sure it was more 50/50? Deserved by the Netherlands. They have goals in them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Dutch double. When they do the double (the) Dutch, that's them dancing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: Hmm.. Not sure it was more 50/50? Deserved by the Netherlands. They have goals in them . Basically kicked through the defenders legs onto the ball, seen them ruled out for much less with VAR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Should be 2-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 11 minutes ago, Super said: Looks like the Dutch then. Ronald Koemans Dutch. Do I not like that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Incredible save Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Jesus how are the Dutch winning this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Great last ten minutes. Turkey done everything but score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said: Jesus how are the Dutch winning this Turkey have played really well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, glynriley said: Ronald Koemans Dutch. Breaking news. He's been Dutch since about 1993, mate ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Have we dodged another bullet here with the Turks attacking at all angles,settle for a predictable Dutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, cityexile said: Great last ten minutes. Turkey done everything but score. Breathless game . Dutch good in attack but give away chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Looks like ogs will get the golden boot then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Netherlands it is. Not unlike us as a side. Turkey gave it 100% and maybe unlucky to lose overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Turkey should be proud of themselves. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, Super said: Turkey should be proud of themselves. Very entertaining and gung ho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bristol Oil Services said: Breaking news. He's been Dutch since about 1993, mate ... The apostrophe preservation society would have something to say about that, mate… Edited July 6 by glynriley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 The big Dutch fella up front, fluffed that volley at the back stick, just before the winner: he's no Marco Van Basten (is my scouting report for Southgate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Now that’s entertainment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Question… is this the worse Euros in living memory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said: Question… is this the worse Euros in living memory? Has to be up there. If anything this proves there’s just too much football in the schedule and not enough time for players to recover from fatigue. In space of 3 years we’ve had x2 European tournaments and a WC. International footballers must be shattered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 2 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Question… is this the worse Euros in living memory? Depends how good your memory is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Depends how good your memory is! Let’s test yours then… can you think of a worse one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 9 minutes ago, The Coach said: Has to be up there. If anything this proves there’s just too much football in the schedule and not enough time for players to recover from fatigue. In space of 3 years we’ve had x2 European tournaments and a WC. International footballers must be shattered. Obviously the pandemic had a knock on effect. Don’t think that should have an impact though. If it does that is what a squad is for. Kane looks shattered so give him a rest. Anyone coming in should be capable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 14 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Let’s test yours then… can you think of a worse one? 2016 was much worse than this 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 27 minutes ago, The Coach said: Has to be up there. If anything this proves there’s just too much football in the schedule and not enough time for players to recover from fatigue. In space of 3 years we’ve had x2 European tournaments and a WC. International footballers must be shattered. The staggered nature of it doesn't help...usually one every 2 years but Covid and a Winter World Cup played havoc. Then there is the Nations League. It has its uses especially to help emerging or lesser Nations to progress but it it also takes time. Clubs have to share some of the blame too or rather Governing bodies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmpowell Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 25 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Question… is this the worse Euros in living memory? Over the past few weeks I've fallen down Youtube rabbit holes, watching games from 90's and 00's euros and world cups. It showed risk taking, pressing forward, direct, free passing & attacking teams. Great to watch. In this Euros though, apart from Spain I've yet to watch anything I've really thought was 'exciting'. I don't mean in the last 15mins of a game when it's on the line, I mean from a whole 90 mins of Football. Perhaps modern international football is now just more boring to watch over 90mins?!? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 36 minutes ago, kmpowell said: Over the past few weeks I've fallen down Youtube rabbit holes, watching games from 90's and 00's euros and world cups. It showed risk taking, pressing forward, direct, free passing & attacking teams. Great to watch. In this Euros though, apart from Spain I've yet to watch anything I've really thought was 'exciting'. I don't mean in the last 15mins of a game when it's on the line, I mean from a whole 90 mins of Football. Perhaps modern international football is now just more boring to watch over 90mins?!? The reason I asked was because I saw an image of France and England’s runs to the semi finals. It is truly shocking. I don’t think anyone will be diving through the archives in years to come with any great fondness of these euros, unless it’s the final of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, formerly known as ivan said: Let’s test yours then… can you think of a worse one? All the ones we didn’t qualify for, the one Greece won! FWIW I’ve enjoyed this Euros from the attacking, fast-paced football played by some of the so-called lesser nations Edited July 8 by Davefevs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, formerly known as ivan said: Let’s test yours then… can you think of a worse one? 1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 41 minutes ago, Davefevs said: All the ones we didn’t qualify for, the one Greece won! FWIW I’ve enjoyed this Euros from the attacking, fast-paced football played by some of the so-called lesser nations Agreed. A number of the outright smaller or newer nations then some of the middle to lesser have been very enjoyable. Austria the pick of these, Turkey at times, less so at others The two middling. Georgia and Albania seemed quite fun, plus Slovakia and Romania- the latter historically a solid middle nation, they showed some signs in the Group Stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Got a bowls match Wednesday evening - hopefully get back in time to watch England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 41 minutes ago, Davefevs said: All the ones we didn’t qualify for, the one Greece won! FWIW I’ve enjoyed this Euros from the attacking, fast-paced football played by some of the so-called lesser nations Me too Dave. Their fast paced attacking football was able to turn defence into attack by moving the ball upfield very quickly, but without hitting it long. It was noticeable how often this disrupted the more established teams , who seem to be conditioned to playing against slow build up play that allows defences to get behind the ball and into shape ( very much like City's approach play does!). The more established teams tend to play a style that minimises risks ( England typifies that) whereas the so called lesser teams played a more risk and reward style. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 3 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: Question… is this the worse Euros in living memory? Won't be if England win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 9 hours ago, Slacker said: Won't be if England win. Exactly. It will be the best ever for me if we win it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Worse for England in my time was 88, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 We’ll probably suddenly look a real threat in attack but then defend poorly losing 3-2.. Be typically English ! And the dodgy German ref goes against us . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebounder Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 15 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: Question… is this the worse Euros in living memory? I was off for the start of the tournament and I really enjoyed a lot of the early games. For all the criticism of the expansion some of the other nations have been fun to watch. That being said it definitely seems like it has regressed as it's gone on. There is a good article here with some good comments from Bielsa on how football has given its soul to profit and managers aren't able to spend the time they need with players. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5623250/2024/07/09/idealism-is-dead-welcome-to-footballs-era-of-apple-fication?source=user-shared-article Archive and non pawalled version - https://archive.ph/BP2wA Edited July 9 by Rebounder 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 36 minutes ago, Rebounder said: I was off for the start of the tournament and I really enjoyed a lot of the early games. For all the criticism of the expansion some of the other nations have been fun to watch. That being said it definitely seems like it has regressed as it's gone on. Me too, I enjoyed the games with the “lesser” nations, and as they’ve each got knocked out it’s got a bit less exciting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Anyone know why there isn’t a 3rd/4th place play off game or is that just World Cup shenanigans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, RedEyez said: Anyone know why there isn’t a 3rd/4th place play off game or is that just World Cup shenanigans? I checked this earlier. Hasn't been one since 1980! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, Ecko said: I checked this earlier. Hasn't been one since 1980! Cheers lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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