Scott Twine - Signed on Four Year Deal - Official

[Glen hump]

8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I've never particularly rated Parker, he seems to be a bit of a flat track bully and keeps on getting jobs thst he doesn't necessarily merit..must have a very good Agent?

He’s got a lovely range of cardigans.

[Bcfc24]

24 minutes ago, HengroveReds said:

Ron Walker - Sky Podcaster

Not much movement in #BristolCity's pursuit of Scott Twine. A number of clubs interested in the #BurnleyFC man - as before, Scott Parker still wants to have a look at everyone but with nearly 40 first-team players on the books, he knows players will have to leave in this window.

Getting absolutely ridiculous how long we are waiting on this one 

[W-S-M Seagull]

31 minutes ago, cheddarwedlocker said:

 

I've always said that Twines preference will be to get into the Burnley team and this confirms that. 

[Nugget]

Parker has been promoted twice out of this division, very heavily backed though which helps!

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, Nugget said:

Parker has been promoted twice out of this division, very heavily backed though which helps!

This is the point, he is a flat track bully who is found wanting when it isn't all just as he would like it.

Made no notable impression in Belgium either but that isn't too important.

Very heavily backed and made heavier weather of it when possibly needed to, bad attitude at Bournemouth summer 2022...

[TDarwall]

33 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I've never particularly rated Parker, he seems to be a bit of a flat track bully and keeps on getting jobs thst he doesn't necessarily merit..must have a very good Agent?

Agree, give him the biggest budget in the division & he'll do ok. Nice range of knitwear thought, am sure @1960maaan would approve!

[Betty Swallocks]

Scott Parker is a fraud. Only just managed to get Bournemouth promoted last time he was in this division and then gets found out in the Premier League.

My mind won’t be changed on this until he goes to a middling Championship club and gets results. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, TDarwall said:

Agree, give him the biggest budget in the division & he'll do ok. Nice range of knitwear thought, am sure @1960maaan would approve!

I don't wish to drag up old stuff but the position NP inherited, I reckon Parker partly through dint of inexperience, partly through limitations on his ability would have floundered horribly.

Both jobs bring a different type of pressure of course.

[supercidered]

4 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said:

Scott Parker is a fraud. Only just managed to get Bournemouth promoted last time he was in this division and then gets found out in the Premier League.

My mind won’t be changed on this until he goes to a middling Championship club and gets results. 

Welcome to Bristol City Scott Parker!

[Davefevs]

I’m not in the Parker-fraud camp.  Hit his objectives in the Champ, not ever relegated side succeeds, e.g. Leeds.  Struggled in the PL with poor sides.  I don’t think he’s the best manager in the world, but he’s far from a fraud imho.

[Mr Popodopolous]

He did seem to have a lower midtable wage bill at Fulham in the PL though.

Wouldn't say he is a fraud, just don't especially rate him. Championship top end budget specialist?

Retaining the likes of Reed, Mitrovic among others at our level too- shouldn't have needed the playoffs IMO.

[fly in the air]

if it's making no  progress then for gods sake move on and get someone else. don't let a team like Burnley mess us about.

[petehinton]

32 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said:

Scott Parker is a fraud. Only just managed to get Bournemouth promoted last time he was in this division and then gets found out in the Premier League.

My mind won’t be changed on this until he goes to a middling Championship club and gets results. 

He won’t last the season at Burnley imho

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 minutes ago, fly in the air said:

if it's making no  progress then for gods sake move on and get someone else. don't let a team like Burnley mess us about.

I think the current situation is that at this moment in time we won't pay the fee that Burnley want. 

Secondly despite people saying Twine is desperate to join us and has told Burnley he wants to leave, the reality is he wants to see if he can get into the Parkers Burnley team. So far it seems like he has a chance of doing that. 

If Parker does decide Twine isn't in his plans then that may mean Burnley lower their demands. 

However it seems Twine is happy to see if he will get any game time for Burnley in August. 

So we're basically in a position of waiting to see. It's a gamble. I'd rather we moved on tbh. 

[1team]

15 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

He did seem to have a lower midtable wage bill at Fulham in the PL though.

Wouldn't say he is a fraud, just don't especially rate him. Championship top end budget specialist?

Retaining the likes of Reed, Mitrovic among others at our level too- shouldn't have needed the playoffs IMO.

Ideal for getting them promoted then. Where as we have lower mid table league 1 specialist.

[Finley_Smith10]

Going to come down to the final week of the transfer window when Burnley are hurrying around trying to offload players. As much as I’d love twine to come think it’s best if we just move on

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, 1team said:

Ideal for getting them promoted then. Where as we have lower mid table league 1 specialist.

He makes heavier weather of it than he should, Brentford have beaten Fulham often but Joe Bryan saved him in the final.

Year 2 would've been more problematic. Likewise Nottingham Forest surged from nowhere and had Bournemouth done playoffs hmm.

[1team]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

He makes heavier weather of it than he should, Brentford have beaten Fulham often but Joe Bryan saved him in the final.

Year 2 would've been more problematic. Likewise Nottingham Forest surged from nowhere and had Bournemouth done playoffs hmm.

I was only quoting you! If that's what he specialises in I would trust him to get them back to the PL more than I would LM.

[Davefevs]

21 minutes ago, fly in the air said:

if it's making no  progress then for gods sake move on and get someone else. don't let a team like Burnley mess us about.

Or stop messing Burnley about!!!

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, 1team said:

I was only quoting you! If that's what he specialises in I would trust him to get them back to the PL more than I would LM.

I suppose with Parker I'd like to see if he can outperform once in a while, or roll his sleeves up like O'Neil did at Bournemouth e.g. although the latter had more backing. He had to firesake at Wolves and did well in the circs.

Maybe he will cruise it with Burnley who knows.

[GrahamC]

22 minutes ago, petehinton said:

He won’t last the season at Burnley imho

If he does really badly he can always get a job with a top German side.

[Glen hump]

26 minutes ago, fly in the air said:

if it's making no  progress then for gods sake move on and get someone else. don't let a team like Burnley mess us about.

It could be city’s the reason it’s making no progress’ Burnley have a price’ we know there price’ wr either pay it or not’ we’re making this very difficult for everyone involved.

[JAWS]

On 24/07/2024 at 11:57, extonsred said:

Not the first time this has happened..is it SL determining this is what happens when players decide to do it their way. 

It is his ball after all! 

[Silvio Dante]

Now. Who do I believe.

- Scott Twines agent Brian Howard who suggests that Scott is seeing how things progress at Burnley into the season 

- Brian Tinnions ***** Ian Gay who suggests that a deal is progressing despite us having not done anything tangible for weeks.

Its a tough one, I’ll grant you that….

 

[Nugget]

[Glen hump]

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

Now. Who do I believe.

- Scott Twines agent Brian Howard who suggests that Scott is seeing how things progress at Burnley into the season 

- Brian Tinnions ***** Ian Gay who suggests that a deal is progressing despite us having not done anything tangible for weeks.

Its a tough one, I’ll grant you that….

 

Brian and the mr gay wouldn’t bullshit’ salt of the earth them 2

[Glen hump]

2 minutes ago, Nugget said:

That’s definitely photoshopped’ Parker’s not wearing a cardigan.

[Davefevs]

11 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Now. Who do I believe.

- Scott Twines agent Brian Howard who suggests that Scott is seeing how things progress at Burnley into the season 

- Brian Tinnions ***** Ian Gay who suggests that a deal is progressing despite us having not done anything tangible for weeks.

Its a tough one, I’ll grant you that….

 

Gimp is 4 letters!

[BCFCGav]

9 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Now. Who do I believe.

- Scott Twines agent Brian Howard who suggests that Scott is seeing how things progress at Burnley into the season 

- Brian Tinnions ***** Ian Gay who suggests that a deal is progressing despite us having not done anything tangible for weeks.

Its a tough one, I’ll grant you that….

 

Sod when the window closes Ian, we’ve got a Championship fixture in a fortnight! 
 

Clearly neither side will budge, we need to cough the **** up or move the **** on. I vote the former. We’ve clearly got FFP headroom and what the Twine fee is to a billionaire is what a Twix is to me or you.

 

This bloody saga is driving me to despair

[W-S-M Seagull]

22 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Now. Who do I believe.

- Scott Twines agent Brian Howard who suggests that Scott is seeing how things progress at Burnley into the season 

- Brian Tinnions ***** Ian Gay who suggests that a deal is progressing despite us having not done anything tangible for weeks.

Its a tough one, I’ll grant you that….

 

Why is Ian suggesting we are panicking about a player that was pretty average for us on loan? 

I won't lose any sleep if he doesn't sign. At this point I'd probably feel quite relieved as to get him we'd have to pay more than what I think he is worth to us. 

I don't think he represents value for money. 

Azaz at 2.5 million would have been value for money. Scott Twine at 2.5 million plus isn't. 

Edited July 25 by W-S-M Seagull

[Ska Junkie]

9 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Azaz at 2.5 million would have been value for money. Scott Twine at 2.5 million plus isn't. 

Azaz at £2.5M was certainly a great deal.

While I tend to agree about Twine's fee, I like him as a player, whether we think he's worth £xxM, is irrelevant, if LM thinks he's worth it etc etc.

It doesn't appear to be moving in a positive direction regardless and I would love to know who our other options are.

Edited July 25 by Ska Junkie

[JoeAman08]

4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Why is Ian suggesting we are panicking about a player that was pretty average for us on loan? 

I won't lose any sleep if he doesn't sign. At this point I'd probably feel quite relieved as to get him we'd have to pay more than what I think he is worth to us. 

I don't think he represents value for money. 

Azaz at 2.5 million would have been value for money. Scott Twine at 2.5 million plus isn't. 

I partly agree with you. However, we do need someone. Azaz would have been much better value but he chose someone else. Perhaps Twine is the most established player we can sign in our wage structure that is willing to sign for us? Maybe the alternatives are viewed as too risky not to be patient on ST? 
 

I think we just need to see how this plays out. I think Twine is good. More high floor than high ceiling. Makes us better but probably not good enough to make the difference we want. On the other hand, we can hope it really clicks under Manning and he has a breakout type season where his free kick ability really pushes us forward in terms of getting wins instead of draws. A faint glimmer of hope but one we don’t currently have I don’t think. 

[Northern Red]

The irony is that Ian would likely be panicking about it far more than most people on here are if he wasn't parroting the club line.

[Silvio Dante]

10 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Azaz at £2.5M was certainly a great deal.

While I tend to agree about Twine's fee, I like him as a player, whether we think he's worth £xxM, is irrelevant, if LM thinks he's worth it etc etc.

It doesn't appear to be moving in a positive direction regardless and I would love to know who our other options are.

I think the broader point is, much as we appear to value Conway above the market, we appear to value Twine below the market (and that’s a function of our desparation as Burnley hold the cards here). Arguably good on us for holding the position but I’d argue there may be a disparity between Liam thinking he’s worth x and what the club are prepared to pay.

Bottom line - I’d rather we didn’t sign him but if we won’t move on the fee, we just need to move on.

[Sleepy1968]

2 hours ago, Nugget said:

Parker has been promoted twice out of this division, very heavily backed though which helps!

Yes, my main thought on him is that 'he likes to spend money, and gets arsey when not backed to his liking.'

[Glen hump]

37 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Gimp is 4 letters!

Massive ******** doesn’t fit either.

[Major Isewater]

2 hours ago, Betty Swallocks said:

My mind won’t be changed on this until he goes to a middling Championship club and gets results. 

Please don’t. 

[PHILINFRANCE]

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The similarities are fresh investment.  Ipswich’s spending happened when their new US investment bought out Evans.  Brum are doing it with theirs.  They just happened to get relegated.

Fresh Investment.

What a novel idea.

[Lrrr]

May as pack it up then...

 

 

[Ska Junkie]

2 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

May as pack it up then...

 

 

I hope he enjoys a decent season at Birmingham.

[Monkeh]

I'm really not fussed about him signing,

Decent player yest but he isn't worth the sort of fee that's been banded about, 2.5 mil tops,

[PHILINFRANCE]

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

If he does really badly he can always get a job with a top German side.

I follow German (Bundesliga) football quite closely and am intrigued as to how Kompany gets on with Bayern.

I shall be interested in their results on the field, but also their performances, as they have a very demanding Board and fan base.

[Ian M]

54 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I follow German (Bundesliga) football quite closely and am intrigued as to how Kompany gets on with Bayern.

I shall be interested in their results on the field, but also their performances, as they have a very demanding Board and fan base.

I think it was The Athletic that did an interesting piece on Kompany going to Bayern, that it may actually be a good move despite his failure at Prem level. Bayern’s position in Germany is much like Burnley faced in the Championship with a disparity of resources and largely facing teams adopting a low block yet he navigated that with ease. The idea is for him to repeat that with them, not the PL results.

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 minute ago, Ian M said:

I think it was The Athletic that did an interesting piece on Kompany going to Bayern, that it may actually be a good move despite his failure at Prem level. Bayern’s position in Germany is much like Burnley faced in the Championship with a disparity of resources and largely facing teams adopting a low block yet he navigated that with ease. The idea is for him to repeat that with them, not the PL results.

Thanks.

I shall try and find the article.

[Dolman Block B]

1 hour ago, Lrrr said:

May as pack it up then...

 

 

Roy “The Bellend”

Has he ever got one thing correct ?

 

 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

1 hour ago, Dolman Block B said:

Roy “The Bellend”

Has he ever got one thing correct ?

 

There's a first time for everything - perhaps

[YorkshireSection]

Burnley have seen how  much we have paid on relative punts, theres no way theyll drop their price for a player with proven championship quality, weve shown our cards and they correctly arent budging from their valuation, we either pay the price or move on, this is so Bristol City #tinpot

[Monkeh]

6 hours ago, YorkshireSection said:

Burnley have seen how  much we have paid on relative punts, theres no way theyll drop their price for a player with proven championship quality, weve shown our cards and they correctly arent budging from their valuation, we either pay the price or move on, this is so Bristol City #tinpot

You are a moron,

They set a price long ago, last season in fact, we don't see the value in that price and won't meet it,

We don't have a bottomless pit of money, this isn't football manager it's real life,

The sort of deal for twine is most likely going to run until the end of the window,

It's the same every season, if Burnley want twine off their books then the closer to end of the window we get, the more the price will drop,

We aren't the only club to be interested in this play and we are not the only club not willing to match Burnleys valuation,

It's the same with Conway, no club is willing to match our valuation, are celtic and rangers tinpot for not doing that? 

[Glen hump]

1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

You are a moron,

They set a price long ago, last season in fact, we don't see the value in that price and won't meet it,

We don't have a bottomless pit of money, this isn't football manager it's real life,

The sort of deal for twine is most likely going to run until the end of the window,

It's the same every season, if Burnley want twine off their books then the closer to end of the window we get, the more the price will drop,

We aren't the only club to be interested in this play and we are not the only club not willing to match Burnleys valuation,

It's the same with Conway, no club is willing to match our valuation, are celtic and rangers tinpot for not doing that? 

How do you know the Glasgow clubs want him?

[KegCity]

2 hours ago, Monkeh said:

You are a moron,

They set a price long ago, last season in fact, we don't see the value in that price and won't meet it,

We don't have a bottomless pit of money, this isn't football manager it's real life,

The sort of deal for twine is most likely going to run until the end of the window,

It's the same every season, if Burnley want twine off their books then the closer to end of the window we get, the more the price will drop,

We aren't the only club to be interested in this play and we are not the only club not willing to match Burnleys valuation,

It's the same with Conway, no club is willing to match our valuation, are celtic and rangers tinpot for not doing that? 

You don't get an unlimited budget in football manager either.

[ORANGE500]

14 hours ago, Northern Red said:

The irony is that Ian would likely be panicking about it far more than most people on here are if he wasn't parroting the club line.

Why is anyone panicking about it?

[MC RISK77]

12 hours ago, Dolman Block B said:

Roy “The Bellend”

Has he ever got one thing correct ?

 

 

I may have dreamt this but fairly sure he got Mo Eisa signing for us correct!!

[Silvio Dante]

6 minutes ago, ORANGE500 said:

Why is anyone panicking about it?

I don’t think anyone is panicking. I’m certainly not panicking about not signing Scott Twine.

There are, however, absolutely valid questions to be asked that if the head coach wants a number 10 and this deal seems to be going nowhere, having said in May we’d move on quickly if things weren’t happening, why we’re flogging what appears to be a dead horse two weeks before the season starts.

No panic here. 

[astrondrew]

57 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Why we’re flogging what appears to be a dead horse

Better than flogging a live one, I guess. That tends to be career ending (when found out - does anyone actually think dressage is done with kindness?)

But back to the topic, I'm guessing that Twine is a known quantity who we remain hopeful of getting and the alternatives are  less certain in terms of knowing what we will get so waiting (with the window far from closed) seems sensible to those at the club responsible.

[Loco Rojo]

3 hours ago, KegCity said:

You don't get an unlimited budget in football manager either.

Unless you buy the FM Editor as well? 

[George Rs]

1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

I don’t think anyone is panicking. I’m certainly not panicking about not signing Scott Twine.

There are, however, absolutely valid questions to be asked that if the head coach wants a number 10 and this deal seems to be going nowhere, having said in May we’d move on quickly if things weren’t happening, why we’re flogging what appears to be a dead horse two weeks before the season starts.

No panic here. 

To be fair we could be actively looking at other options and they just haven’t been reported. 

But quite clearly we have made no bids for any no10 Twine or otherwise. And it gets to a point where the club need to ask themselves what’s worse, not getting Twine or not getting anyone. 

Also if we are the only ones with major interest in Twine (not sure about that) then going after other no10 a might make Burnley rush their decision if they feel they won’t be able to get more for Twine if we pull out. 

We’ve had a rather successful transfer window so far and this is indicated as that last piece of the puzzle and with it we can get a proper look at Mannings Bristol City in the coming season. Move on or pay up imo. (Hopefully the former) 

[Bcfc24]

1 hour ago, ORANGE500 said:

Why is anyone panicking about it?

I think it’s more concern than panic, we set out at the start of this window that we needed a 7, 9 and 10 and we’ve now ended up with a 7 and two 9’s. The concern is that in such an important pre season for the current head coach we haven’t given him a key position in the 10 in which to build his patterns of play etc. Now it’s very likely we head into Hull on the opening weekend with one of 3 scenarios. 1, We play Stokes in the 10 and hope he swims instead of sinks 2, we play Knight out of position again in the 10 at the detriment to how the team work and he plays or 3, we play a formation without a 10 which our current head coach doesn’t really want to do. To me any of those 3 scenarios are a failure on the part of our ‘Tecknical’ director.

[cidercity]

1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

I don’t think anyone is panicking. I’m certainly not panicking about not signing Scott Twine.

There are, however, absolutely valid questions to be asked that if the head coach wants a number 10 and this deal seems to be going nowhere, having said in May we’d move on quickly if things weren’t happening, why we’re flogging what appears to be a dead horse two weeks before the season starts.

No panic here. 

could be that they very much like what they see in Stokes, a gamble but most transfers are a gamble.

Edited July 26 by cidercity

[Silvio Dante]

2 minutes ago, cidercity said:

could be that they very much like what they see in Stokes, a gamble but most transfers are a gamble.

I said on (I think) the Aldershot thread that I like what I see in Stokes from that game. Plays head up, on the turn, and a few very good balls. You are correct it’s a gamble (and to be fair a longer odds gamble than most in view of where he’s come from), and it’s hard to make a definitive judgement based on one game against Aldershot, but as Twine appears to be going nowhere I’d be seeing how Josh shows up in the next friendly games before making any hasty decisions - whether that’s paying an above market fee for Twine or looking elsewhere at someone who may not have Stokes’ ceiling.

[Nugget]

Could Wells do the role too? Good reviews in that sort of position from the recent friendly 

[Mr Hankey]

Really don't get the hype with this deal, Twine isn't that good of a player to wait all window on, he's a decent player but nothing more. Maybe we just aren't signing a "number 10" & this deal has been dead for a while? If he knows he will be getting game time this season at Burnley then he would be an absolute mentalist to want to come to us instead anyway.

[Lrrr]

35 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Unless you buy the FM Editor as well? 

Me and my billion pound budget in national league south 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Vs a 5th tier side who knows well. Probably still has some developing to do but we shall see.

[Negan]

20 minutes ago, Mr Hankey said:

Really don't get the hype with this deal, Twine isn't that good of a player to wait all window on, he's a decent player but nothing more. Maybe we just aren't signing a "number 10" & this deal has been dead for a while? If he knows he will be getting game time this season at Burnley then he would be an absolute mentalist to want to come to us instead anyway.

Exactly this. If I was him I’d rather play 20-30 games for a 1st place pushing side than 46 for us in mid table mediocrity. 

[Mr Hankey]

 

8 minutes ago, Negan said:

Exactly this. If I was him I’d rather play 20-30 games for a 1st place pushing side than 46 for us in mid table mediocrity. 

Spot on, add in to the fact that his first season at Burney was pretty injury ravaged & then unsurprisingly didn't get a look in after their promotion, so i am sure there will be a part of him wanting to prove to them that he was worth the money they spent on him. I certainly don't think he will be going to Scott Parker demanding a transfer away from Burnley just to join Bristol City, regardless of his relationship with Liam Manning.

Edited July 26 by Mr Hankey

[J.V.F]

5 minutes ago, Mr Hankey said:

 

Spot on, add in to the fact that his first season at Burney was pretty injury ravaged & then unsurprisingly didn't get a look in after their promotion, so i am sure there will be a part of him wanting to prove to them that he was worth the money they spent on him. I certainly don't think he will be going to Scott Parker demanding a transfer away from Burnley just to join Bristol City, regardless of his relationship with Liam Manning.

Or maybe he would prefer to be regarded as a 'key' squad player guaranteed to be fully involved throughout the season as opposed to just a standard squad player with potentially limited game time? Maybe he likes being a bigger fish in the pool as opposed to being a smaller one, so to speak?

We just don't know what his motivations may or may not be.

[Mr Hankey]

7 minutes ago, J.V.F said:

Or maybe he would prefer to be regarded as a 'key' squad player guaranteed to be fully involved throughout the season as opposed to just a standard squad player with potentially limited game time? Maybe he likes being a bigger fish in the pool as opposed to being a smaller one, so to speak?

We just don't know what his motivations may or may not be.

Whilst that could of course be possible, i would be amazed if a professional athlete at his age would have that mindset.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Wells at 10?

Over a long Championship season- that would be different. He played it v Newport and he is an intelligent player, but it feels a little like shoe-horning again?

Has he any history of playing 10 more widely or?

[Davefevs]

12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Wells at 10?

Over a long Championship season- that would be different. He played it v Newport and he is an intelligent player, but it feels a little like shoe-horning again?

Has he any history of playing 10 more widely or?

Personally, I’d do the research myself and then post an opinion.  Would carry more weight then.

10 minutes ago, City Slicker said:

I honestly don't know, that would be one for @Davefevs, I'm just spit balling really.  

Google is both of your friends.

 

Edited July 26 by Davefevs

[Ian M]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Personally, I’d do the research myself and then post an opinion.  Would carry more weight then.

Google is both of your friends.

 

Am I ruining it?